Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beer hall

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. The German Wikipedia also has a couple useful sources. (non-admin closure) Reywas92^Talk 00:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Beer hall[edit]

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I'm nominating this article for deletion. The first cite is a food review. The 2nd and 3rd refer to a restaurant in St Louis. The fourth cite is a dead link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Begnome (talk • contribs)

Note I have refactored this a bit, and added it to the AfD list, but the formatting remains unusual as this was not done using Twinkle. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:10, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep So obviously encyclopedic. I'd like to note this morning it had zero sources, and Begnome complained about it on IRC. Thus, four new sources got added today. Apparently that was not enough. I also note that just because something doesn't have enough sources on it does not mean it isn't notable. My cursory googling did turn up a lot of junk, such as ads for beer halls. But it also came up with things like the first citation, from travel guru Rick Steves, who dedicates an entire article to Bavarian beer halls. I suspect paper sources would have much more to offer us, but even google alone shows that it is notable. Also I have no idea what Begnome means that the fourth cite is a dead link, I added it just today! It is in German, yes, but clearly quite alive. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:09, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – A notable topic that passes WP:GNG. See below for a sampling of available sources; more in addition to this are available.

References

"‘In their right place’ - Beer halls in Johannesburg, 1938–1962". African Studies. pp. 95–122.
"Beer Halls as a Focus for HIV Prevention Activities in Rural Zimbabwe". Sexually Transmitted Diseases. pp. 364–369.
"The Rise of Hitler as a Beer Hall Orator". The Review of Politics. pp. 244–256.

– Quote: "… His use of the Munich beer halls as auditoriums was in itself an unacknowledged legacy of the revolution … He observed the speakers carefully, noting the harsh hit-and-miss training that the beer halls provided. New candidates learned quickly or were hooted from the hall …"

"Beer Houses: An Indicator of Cultural Change in Taiwan". Journal of Cultural Geography. pp. 35–50.
The Oxford Companion to American Food and Drink. pp. 155–156.
Brewers, Beerhalls and Boycotts - A History of Liquor in South Africa. Ravan Press. 67 pages.
Alcohol, the Ematsheni and popular struggle in Durban : the origins of the beer hall in South Africa, 1902-08. Centre for African Studies, University of Cape Town.
"The central beer hall as social and municipal infrastructure in twentieth century Pietermaritzburg". Journal of the Historical Association of South-Africa. pp. 75–91.
Additional sources are available in the Beer Hall Boycott article, which focuses upon a female-led national campaign of boycotting municipal beer halls in South Africa.

– North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:57, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep Obviously notable. Apart from the sources listed by NA above, notice that there's an equivalent article in 10 other Wikipedias. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:35, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, sourcing listed by Northamerica1000 clearly indicate notability, as do other articles like " The German Beer Hall as Place of Cultural Performance", Whelan, Debbie (2015). "eMatsheni: The central beer hall as social and municipal infrastructure in twentieth century Pietermaritzburg". Historia (Three Rivers) (0018-229X), 60 (1), p. 75., and more. Further, a valid rationale for deletion is not presented: Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the identified sources. — Toughpigs (talk) 14:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, sourcing listed by Northamerica1000 clearly indicate notability. AFD not cleanup. No compliance with WP:Before. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Reliable sources have been found proving it passes the general notability guidelines, and the article has been massively expanded since the time it was nominated for deletion. Also click Google news at the top of the AFD, and the first page of results has a New York Times article discussing first a single Beer Hall, then the Beer Hall in general. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/world/europe/germany-beer-halls.html Please remember to do a brief check for sources WP:BEFORE nominating something for deletion. Dream Focus 15:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep obviously a WP:BEFORE fail. WP:TROUT to nominator Lightburst (talk) 20:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all above. Notable topic. Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I wish people would actually improve the article rather than nominating it for deletion, then we do this whole song and dance each time... Regardless, it now appears fully sourced. Keep. Oaktree b (talk) 20:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This would be a much more fitting way to resolve this outcome, rather than this misbegotten nomination to delete a clearly notable subject. That's my gentle suggestion, FWIW. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:10, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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