Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beder (ancient ruler)

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The result was redirect to Story of Wenamun. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Beder (ancient ruler)[edit]

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Contested prod, unsourced, very brief, and doesn't look notable. PatGallacher (talk) 18:04, 10 August 2018 (UTC) (categories)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Contested prod ? Could you expand on this ? The article could easily be referenced for anyone with an access to a literary critic of the story of Wenamun. I am more hesitant on the notability : if Beder is only and just a character in the story of Wenamun then yes. If however he can be connected to an actual ruler of Dor then he is notable enough.Iry-Hor (talk) 18:15, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not notable. The subject is actually a real character in an ancient myth (see above), however just being mentioned in an admittedly obscure myth doesn't make it famous or anything. Torrent01 (talk) 18:53, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Here I found a scholarly paper discussing the evidence for whether "The Report of Wenamun" is pure fiction (not a myth, which it certainly isn't) or is based to some degree on an official report. It goes through the evidence and arguments pretty thoroughly. A basic point is that the Egyptian rulers mentioned in the text—Smendes, Tentamun, and Herihor—were all real people. However, the paper never mentions any outside evidence that Beder (spelled Bader in that paper) existed. If Beder is only known from "The Report of Wenamun", there is no reason to have an article on him separate from the article about that story.

I notice that there is also an article on Zakar-Baal or Tjekerbaal, another Near Eastern ruler who appears in "The Report of Wenamun" (more prominently than Beder) but does not seem to be known from any other source. That article should also be deleted, but I don't know how to start an AfD discussion from within another AfD discussion. Can it simply be added here? The two articles are similar in status and content. A. Parrot (talk) 00:44, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Story of Wenamun. Redirects are cheap. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:19, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Story of Wenamun. Even their existence does not seem to be well-attested, so the mention at Story of Wenamun covers this just fine. › Mortee _talk 21:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Story of Wenamun per above unless sources can be added plus some form of notability which I don't see happening anytime soon. Redditaddict6 9 15:54, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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