Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assassination threats against Donald Trump (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. While it's clear that this should not be kept, redirecting is slightly more convincing than not. Per this discussion, I have also protected said redirect. Protection reduction can be requested at WP:RFPP without asking me first if and when this becomes a viable stand-alone topic. So Why 07:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Assassination threats against Donald Trump[edit]

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:OR. Article about non-noteworthy public comments wrongly classified as threats in violation of WP:NPOV and WP:V. The article is a hodgepodge of news reports, a few of which are already covered in other articles and most of which are ephemeral. - Mr X 17:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete - This is unnecessary. It has already been delete. See WP:G4. I have tagged it for speedy deletion. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: Assistance requested here: WP:ANI#Special goggles needed.- Mr X 20:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete as per above. If that doesn’t work, no one in the article has actually been arrested for attempting an assassination. In the only case that could be considered an attempt, the guy pled to being an illegal alien in possession of a firearm and disrupting an official function. The entire celebrity section is obviously just a bunch of folks with bad taste and could be deleted without deleting the article, leaving nothing but tweets which should also be deleted, leaving us with: WP:A3 Objective3000 (talk) 19:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would prefer merging Attempted assassination of Donald Trump into this article. Power~enwiki (talk) 19:54, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:53, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:53, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:53, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I was about to say that in my opinion, the version before it was recently pruned was substantially similar to the version deleted last August 2016. Not exactly the same, of course, but a list consisting of Sandford and a bunch (overlapping but not identical) of celebrity "threats". But User:KrakatoaKatie commented at ANI with a different opinion, so WP:CSD#G4 should be taken off the table. I will say that the only reasonable content of the page at this time is as a redirect to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Which could be done without an AFD, but we're here now, so I won't do that right now either. This page should certainly be expanded beyond a redirect if there is another such attempt (or credible threat), patterned on the similar pages for Bush, Obama, etc. But right now there's nothing here that isn't in Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:20, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the pruned version, and I didn't go through each revision. As you said, we're here anyway, so let's go through this and maybe get it salted for a while (hopefully for good, because I'm firmly anti-assassination). Katie^talk 22:36, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The only text here is a replication of Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. It should also be noted that the subject in the article isn't a threat, but was an attempt, which is different. - SchroCat (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Occurs to me that naming quite a few people and making claims that they have made threats of death would appear to be a BLP vio, and should require quick action. Objective3000 (talk) 23:54, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete In order to have an article, there must be sources about it, that is, articles about the "assassination threats," rather than articles about specific incidents. Suggest salting the article so that it cannot be recreated a four time without consensus. TFD (talk) 03:24, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - "Many assassination attempts" - yeah, all one of them, which itself is highly dubious. Poor sourcing, lack of notability... get rid of it. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:19, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The only content of this article duplicates the content of Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. No other "threats" have been reported. It could be created later, in line with Assassination threats against Barack Obama and several other presidents, if there later becomes actual notable content on the subject, but at this point there is none. Salting it until/unless that happens is probably a good idea. --MelanieN (talk) 20:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. re "special goggles needed": This version actually contains significantly LESS content than previously deleted versions. The first version, back in 2016, actually cited some instances where people said something that the Secret Service looked into, although they weren't real "threats"; they were things like Glenn Beck saying something stupid on the air. Before the "pruning" of this article it contained different, but equally unimportant, pseudo-threats; they don't seem to have been dignified by a Secret Service investigation. --MelanieN (talk) 21:04, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump – Article has been purged of everything else since its nomination, because they were apparently not considered serious threats, although they were well-sourced, but even if kept, aggregating them all was WP:SYNTH. The Kathy Griffin incident looks particularly disgusting to me, but it was not a direct threat – at least it is adequately covered in her article. — JFG ^talk 22:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Also Salt. Power~enwiki (talk) 02:37, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above and protect the redirect indefinitely.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:44, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete you could have an article on every leader in the world about this Deathlibrarian (talk) 01:02, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is nothing worth keeping in this article. Threats towards politicians are unfortunately very common. Nothing stands out as exceptionally notable here. AusLondonder (talk) 18:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Only one attempted attack is notable and the so-called attempts that have been removed from this article were not even credible threats. Politrukki (talk) 19:01, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. It's the only one that merits discussion, so get the reader somewhere that they can find discussion of it. Smartyllama (talk) 20:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A lot of people hate Trump because of what he did, such as removing United States from Paris Climate Agreement, removing health care act, building a border wall with Mexico and making agressive military moves (including the missile strike in retaliation to chemical weapons attack in Syria) that may potentially lead to the outbreak of World War III, provoking a few the desire to kill him. This article can be expanded by incorporating the background (such as the reasons for past presidents being assassinated and brief info about Trump life in politics, presidental vote, and presidency), possible motivations and hypothetical aftermath and reactions (such as how the Russians and North Koreans would react if Trump was killed). Planet Star 19:36, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A significant percentage of assassination attempts are by people who are just plain nuts. Objective3000 (talk) 19:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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