Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alvin Parker

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alvin Parker[edit]

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Fails WP:NSPORTS. Probably WP:G11 material. Almost certainly WP:UPE. Moved into mainspace bypassing WP:AfC review. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 17:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mississippi-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 17:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:02, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nothing demonstrates actual notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:14, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep head football coaches of college-level programs are typically kept because they generate more than enough press to cover WP:GNG. I see no reason to make an excpetion here.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:38, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Paulmcdonald, Could you provide some examples of this coverage? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, there's fifteen in the article. Some of those are not third-party, but others are news sources. Here's some more: Coaching during COVID-19; Virginia Union hires Dr. Alvin Parker as new football coach; Blocked punt late in the game helps Virginia Union to comeback 16-15 victory over Winston-Salem State. You don't have to look hard.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Paulmcdonald, Yes, there's 15 in the article. I looked at each one. None of them struck me as independent, reliable, secondary sources providing significant coverage. Of the three you present here, the first is an article written by the subject. The second is local coverage of the fact that he was hired. There's a bunch of those in the article now. I'd be more impressed if some newspaper outside of Virginia covered the event. And the third is a namedrop in an article about he game he coached; it's not about him, specifically. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:06, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I am unaware of any notabiltiy standard, guideline, or rule that sets the bar at "impressing any individual editor" as the breakpoint for inclusion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, the notability guidelines are quite subjective, so editor discretion plays a major role, for your information. Best, Walwal20 ^{talk ▾ contribs} 22:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Certainly does not meet WP:NFOOTBALL. Looking up "Alvin Parker coach" on the web raises several hits, but multiple are from only two websites, and many are about his admission as a coach of the Virginia University team, that is, they are largely ~~WP:ROUTINE~~ routine (i.e., not significant coverage). To meet WP:BIO, I'd want to see more coverage on his achievements as a coach, rather than mere announcements. Especially considering that he coaches a non-notable team. Walwal20 ^{talk ▾ contribs} 22:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:ROUTINE applies to events and not people.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Paulmcdonald, But WP:BLP1E applies to people. Based on the sources I see, the 1E is that he was hired. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - The coverage is nowhere near "one event" as just his head coaching stint covers 2018-2020.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:16, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets GNG per Paulmcdonald's sources. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 16:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Paulmcdonald passes WP:GNG, possibly we can keep this as it passes WP:NCOLLATH --☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 16:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - paid-for spam, very likely written by a sockpuppet of a blocked spammer. MER-C 11:29, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a significant accusation. What evidence do you have to support that?--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I cannot disclose this for the usual reasons. A copy has been emailed to the paid-en-wp mailing list. MER-C 17:19, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Don't break any rules! But that does leave an interesting impass here... can the outcome of whatever is going on "over there" end up managing the results of this article? But even if it was written by a sock, that alone would not be reason to delete if the article itself passes muster. In other words, we're not discussing the original author's account, or the article?--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:20, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per MER-C and per nom. None of the sources indicate that he meets the standard required by WP:N, which looks for "sufficiently significant attention by the world at large" - ie, coverage outside the subject's local area. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the kind of sourcing that a typical DII coach gets, and Parker is on the whole an unremarkable DII coach, is simply not going to be the kind that establishes notability. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:43, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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