Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alternative versions of Iron Man

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Alternative versions of Iron Man[edit]

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Right now this is referenced only to primary sources (comic books themselves). I don't see any sources that suggest this topic is rescuable (just plot summaries). So this seems to fail WP:GNG/WP:NFICTION. Can this be rescued? I don't see how, given the 100% WP:PLOT/WP:FANCRUFT content, but maybe someone can figure this out. Good luck... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:56, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This is obviously a split from the huge topic of Iron Man and excessive splits are addressed by merger not deletion. As a list of versions, it passes WP:LISTN – see CBR, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- That list is invalid as it includes versions of Iron Man from 'not alternate universe' which our article claims to be limited too. It is just a list of 10 random Iron Man armors. Can you find a list that is only about Iron Man from alternate universes? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:08, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The CBR article as a secondary source that does a specific cross comparison similar to this is compelling. Keep for all the reasons Andrew cited. Timmccloud (talk) 16:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is undoubtedly not encyclopedic content, in my view. It fails WP:NFICTION - GizzyCatBella🍁 18:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There are tons of coverage of different version of this character, trying to cover them all in the main page would be a huge mistake, there is simply too much content.★Trekker (talk) 19:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Would be nice to see sources for this "ton of coverage". Reliable would be a plus. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:47, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - [1], [2] [3], [4], [5], [6], [7] Doing BEFORE is the nominators responsibility. It took me about a minute to find these sources.★Trekker (talk) 01:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    *Treker, and did you spend a minute to read them? [8] does not appear to be about this, it just a list of suits, not necessarily alternate universe versions (the article is badly named, but per lead " other fictional universes" it should be [[Alternate universe versions of Iron Man"). Same problem is with [9], [10]. [11] is about concept art for movie suit, which is a), in universe, and b), not relevant to this article? [12], [13] and [14] makes it rather obvious you didn't even read them as what is a connection between article saying that an Iron Man VR games gets new weapons and the topic of the article here? Second WP:TROUT goes to User:Wm335td. "Great work" indeed, can you guys pretty please read the links you google to see if they are at least semi-relevant to the topic being discussed? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:05, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge after reviewing the sources which seem to just be sources about Iron Man, who already has an article. There is also already an article for Iron Man in other media. There is no reason for a third article about essentially the same thing. I understand the desire to spinout more articles, but if they do not meet the WP:GNG then they should be cleaned up in a WP:SUMMARY style, not split endlessly into non-notable articles. Jontesta (talk) 15:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I find the sources from Treker compelling ^ great work. WP:SIGCOV was presented to show that the subject is notable. Wm335td (talk) 19:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is something that should be built up as a prose-only section in the main article, and then split out should the prose section become too long with the inclusion of real world information. These neverending lists belong on Fandom otherwise. TTN (talk) 14:36, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to a lack of third party sources about this subject, independent of the Iron Man character as a whole. The main article is already heavily sourced to primary sources, and the answer is to use a WP:SUMMARYSTYLE instead of creating endless WP:CONTENTFORKs (Iron Man, List of Iron Man titles, Iron Man 2020, List of Marvel Comics characters named Iron Man, Iron Man's armor) that don't meet the WP:GNG. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge a basic summary to Iron Man. BOZ (talk) 22:44, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Question Are these "Alternative versions of XXX" being evaluated properly? Should they be trying to meet WP:LISTN as a whole instead of WP:GNG for individual entries? Likewise, should they be moved to "List of XX" lists? This assumes of course, that any of these actually meet LISTN as something discussed as a whole (if they're not serving blue-linked navigational assistance). -2pou (talk) 23:25, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @2pou: I think it depends on the article/list in question, and we will have to look at every one of them separately. But since Iron Man is one of the most famous ones, and even for him we couldn't find good sources (see my response to Trekker's links), well, I don't think LISTN will help much. This seems like fancruft that at best should be merged to the main article in an abbreviated form (and which also is already there in such a form anyway). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@2pou:: The ones I've looked at wouldn't meet LISTN, because they aren't discussed as a group by RS.

Delete: Article does not meet WP:GNG and WP:BEFORE showed nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV. Article itself is mostly (all) WP:OR based on primary sources. // Timothy :: talk 15:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Very, very few of the listed examples are independently notable, none of them currently have any reliable sources included talking about them, and none of the sources presented in this AFD actually show any kind of extensive coverage on the concept as a whole that would make this a valid stand alone article per WP:LISTN. I like the idea of a basic, summary style description of the concept added to the main Iron Man article, as BOZ suggested, but there simply isn't any content in the current article that should be merged in order to do so. Rorshacma (talk) 16:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge* because of many valid reasons to keep above. Timmccloud (talk) 13:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.