Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alley of Immortality (Taganrog)

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 20:30, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alley of Immortality (Taganrog)[edit]

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Non-notable war memorial. No significant coverage to be found, and the ru.wiki page from which this was translated also contains no useful sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:57, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect, probably to List of monuments and memorials in Taganrog. [was ~~Merge~~, tentatively]: This sounds interesting, as an unusual type of Category:World War II memorials in Russia, worth at least mentioning in a List of World War II memorials in Russia (currently a redlink) or List of World War II memorials in the Soviet Union (currently a redlink). There could/should be such a list-article as the subject is obviously valid, consistent with wp:CLN to complement the category. I would be willing to start the list-article as part of an outcome of this AFD. Have worked on similar others such as List of Mexican-American War memorials and monuments recently. However, maybe there are sources such that this should be an outright "Keep"; i haven't properly searched, myself. But outright "Delete" is not necessary. --Doncram (talk) 21:50, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment That's an awful lot of speculation on which to base the retention of this article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well i would be happy to do the list-article, but I would be happier about covering "Alley of Immortality" there if any sources about it were found. Taganrog itself is a very important historic tiny city, and it has a surprising number of important memorials (e.g. the only memorial to Alexander I in Russia, e.g. Checkhov birthplace memorial, memorial relating to Garibaldi living there, covered in large Commons category of photos of memorials in Taganrog) but this one is not covered at all in say this review of Taganrog. I am a bit afraid it is just one small school's little project. Let me say "Merge, tentatively" means if there is _some_ source about this Alley. --Doncram (talk) 13:29, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The monument of Vasiliy Nechitailo about another memorial in Taganrog where I suggest a list-article for landmarks, monuments and memorials in Taganrog or in Rostov Oblast as an alternative to deletion, either as a separate list-article or a section in Taganrog, say, and ask for productive discussion instead of more separate AFDs. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Admiralty Sloboda. --Doncram (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have started List of monuments and memorials in Taganrog and I changed my !vote to "redirect" from "merge" above. Without any source yet, I won't myself put any mention of this into the list-article, but the info could be copied to a section on its Talk page, asking readers to come forth with any sourcing if possible. "Redirect" is okay as an Alternative to deletion, and preserves option of restoring article if/when coverage/sources emerge. However, if the deletion nominator and/or closer strongly prefer to Delete, I don't terribly mind, but would still want to copy its info to the Talk page of the list-article that way. --Doncram (talk) 23:59, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 03:19, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:05, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I did copy content from this article to a section at Talk:List of monuments and memorials in Taganrog. I voted "Redirect" (to the list of monuments, which might in the future include some coverage of this if any sources show up) above and still think that would be okay/best, though it doesn't terribly matter. --Doncram (talk) 00:21, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 07:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 07:45, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: it's an active WW2 memorial and sufficiently notable landmark. There's a bit of coverage here: [1] about earth from more cities being added. I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A memorial like this in a major city would seem to just about climb over the notability bar. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:30, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- as an unusual variety of war memorial, this is worth having. The alternative would be to Merge somewhere (not merely redirect). Peterkingiron (talk) 16:11, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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