Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Talib al-Tamimi

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The result was delete. A Train^talk 07:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Talib al-Tamimi[edit]

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Article is sourced to a single Buzzfeed article which doesn't actually contain any mention of subject. A search of JSTOR, newspapers.com, Google News, and Google Books fails to find any mentions. Chetsford (talk) 16:13, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. SOLDIER fail. WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Googling his name for a BEFORE brings up less than 20 hits (including Wikipedia and clones).Icewhiz (talk) 18:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The source does mention the subject, which you would know if you bothered to do more than a quick glance of the article. The mention is here: "His replacement, Maj. Ali Taleb, 33, is a popular and respected ICTF veteran".

If you bothered to look at the notability requirements for military personnel, found here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Notability_guide

You would see individuals will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they: Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign (in this case the Mosul Battle); or Commanded a substantial body of troops in combat (commanding the Iraqi special forces evidently qualifies)

As Ali Taleb fulfills both of those requirements, again this is a case of you not doing your homework.Kuching7102 (talk) 21:21, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"This WikiProject advice page is not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." Chetsford (talk) 21:26, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SOLDIER is a well respected essay. Al-Tamimi doesn't meet any SOLDIER criteria. Doesn't have medal of honor, Major isn't close to flag rank, participating in the battle of Mosul is not an important role in a significant military event, didn't lead a division, and 6-8 are not relevant.Icewhiz (talk) 21:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't merely 'participate' in the battle of Mosul, which is a significant military event, he lead a significant bulk of the Iraqi special forces, who did the majority of fighting in that battle. His contribution to the Battle of Mosul is surpassed by few others. I think that is evidently enough to satisfy the criteria. Kuching7102 (talk) 22:04, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Great, I'm sold! If you can just provide some WP:RS that prove that, I'll happily withdraw this nomination. Chetsford (talk) 22:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have added four further sources, two in English and two in Arabic, I hope you find that satisfactory.Kuching7102 (talk) 22:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I don't. It appears the English sources are just one-sentence quotes from Tamimi and don't establish that "His contribution to the Battle of Mosul is surpassed by few others." The Arabic sources are to the Baghdad Post which is a 16-month old newspaper and may not be RS. Chetsford (talk) 00:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the sources do not establish that Tamimi was a key figure in the battle of Mosul. Until there are reliable sources that show such, we should not have an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you two (or is it only one of you?) would like to tell me how someone can command a battalion of the Iraqi special forces fighting in Mosul and not be a key figure in the battle of Mosul? He was certainly there, indeed he died there. Maybe he just stood around doing nothing? Kuching7102 (talk) 03:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. I guess we'll never know in the absence of reliable sources. Chetsford (talk) 04:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Happily there are five on the page, are we not lucky :) Which mention his role in the fighting:DKuching7102 (talk) 05:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, fails notability. WP:NOTMEMORIAL, applies. Kierzek (talk) 15:26, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete - I don't see why the Baghdad Post wouldn't be a reliable source, but a pair of one line reports of his death doesn't give enough information about an individual to write an encyclopedic article that is not original research. Searching his name, even in Arabic, "علي طالب التميمي", gives no other results that I can find. I don't see that his rank or actions achieve the level of SOLDIER. I think there is a real chance that he might meet GNG based in sources I don't see, but a death notice usually isn't sufficient and otherwise he gets passing reference. I don't see him getting coverage, even a paragraph within a larger article, that is directly about him. Smmurphy^(Talk) 17:08, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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