Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adrija Roy (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. I've ignored the views of those who were clearly canvassed. What's left is a view split between those that think there are just enough sources to demonstrate that a full article can be written, and those that think the information in the sources is trivial and insufficient. I don't see that either argument has the upper hand, which leaves me to have to close the debate without a consensus. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adrija Roy[edit]

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Procedural for a new consensus on notability once a new article was allowed per Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2023_October_24#Adrija_Roy. I am neutral in this filing but feel a consensus is needed here given the background. Star Mississippi 14:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and India. Star Mississippi 14:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Courtesy pings to DRV participants @Robert McClenon @Thryduulf @Hut 8.5 @CaecilliusEstInHorto. Can't ping the IPs but will leave a note on the discussion on my Talk. Star Mississippi 14:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

oops @Caeciliusinhorto Star Mississippi 03:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ Weak delete. I'm kind of iffy here; 29 of the 33 references on this article come from the same newspaper. Darling (talk) 14:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but it is majorly because Times Of India has the largest coverage in Indian television industry. I wouldn't say the other newspapers do not cover news on Indian television, they do, but it is comparatively less while compared with Times Of India.
- Comment - This is the reason why most of the sources in the WP:BLP of Indian television actors are from Times Of India. For example, lets take Debattama Saha who is also a Bengali. 7 out of 14 sources in Miss. Debattama Saha's BLP is from Times Of India.
117.202.229.102 (talk) 16:33, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete at this time, based on the observation of Darling that nearly all of the references come from the Times of India, which is an unreliable source, and on not having been able to verify that multiple roles satisfy acting notability. I may or may not review in more detail. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:35, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep : The actress had already attained WP:N back in 2020 when her WP:BLP was nominated for deletion the second time because at that time she had already played lead roles in Bedini Moluar Kotha (as main antagonist), Sanyashi Raja (as main protagonist), Thakumar Jhulli (as lead in four episodes) and in Mongolchandi (as main protagonist). And since 2020, she has only played main protagonist in Durga Durgeshwari, Mou Er Bari, Bikram Betal, Durga Aur Charu and at present in Imlie. Almost all of her roles in television till now were lead roles. Plus, she also played a prominent role in Parineeta. There are resources to support the same in the article.117.202.229.102 (talk) 16:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:The actress is a well known actress in the Bengali television industry and had played lead roles in notable shows like Sanyashi Raja, Mongolchandi, Durga Durgeshwari, Mou Er Bari, Bikram Betal, in the Bengali Television and also performed notable roles like Charu in the show, Durga aur Charu. She is currently playing the role of Imlie a popular Hindi daily soap. Smsslove (talk) 06:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : If required, we are ready to provide videos of the television series where she played the lead and prominent roles. The videos are from recognized sites such as Hotstar, Voot and Zee5. The videos prove that the Miss Adrija Roy has played protagonist roles in the shows. The only issue is the language because she has worked in Bengali and Hindi, if there are Indian editors they can give testimony by verifying them.117.202.229.102 (talk) 17:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:NOTABILITY 202.41.10.106 (talk) 03:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adrija Roy is a well know actress in the Bengali shows and had played a notable role in the Hindi show, Durga aur Charu and is now playing the female lead in the show Imlie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smsslove (talk • contribs) 07:17, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes WP:NOTABILITY, But a lot and lot of improvement is needed in terms of the sources added and content (talk) 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and West Bengal. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Admin note While I believed the IPs were acting in good faith in the DRV, there is some blatant canvassing and admitted meat puppetry going on here User talk:117.209.199.111. IP 117, it's disruptive, please stop. Star Mississippi 12:47, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @Star Mississippi, I wasn't canvassing. I asked User:Smsslove to be more clear with her vote because I could see from her comment here that she was voting for Keep and did not know how to do it. I was only guiding her.
And if you see my message to the other editors, I have never asked them to vote for Keep, I only asked them to participate in this nomination because I believe that Indian editors have better knowledge about Adrija Roy.
When I saw the two votes here yesterday of RobertMcclenon and Darling, I could very clearly see that they have absolutely null knowledge on Adrija Roy which is why I wanted indian editors to participate.
However I wholeheartedly apologize if my actions seemed like canvassing and are disruptive. My intentions were purely not canvassing or disruptive editing.
I promise, I will not do this again. I'm sorry. If you feel that I should be penalized then please tell me what I should do.

117.249.163.170 (talk) 13:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to closing admin and @Star Mississippi: User:Smsslove doesn't know how to edit this page as she's quite new to Wikipedia and add her vote here, which is why she made several mistakes everytime she tried adding her vote. I was only trying to help and guide her and not canvass her. I have removed whatever mistakes I found of User:Smsslove. However, if there are more mistakes then I apologize for that and also apologize if any of my edits seemed disruptive.117.246.80.112 (talk) 04:38, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable person in Bengali television industry. Xegma(talk) 06:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - With two major television roles, passes acting notability, which is backed up by a plethora of unreliable sources. Two major roles is enough. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:44, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: Per above and has had a couple of major roles. Seawolf35 (talk - email) 14:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cited almost entirely to the Times of India, which exchanges coverage for payment. The remaining sources are all passing mentions within routine announcements and contain zero biographical detail. Not convinced by the anonymous, blocked, and very new editors voting keep en-masse above Xegma. Inclusion on Wikipedia is determined by sourcing, not by counting roles, and certainly not by counting votes. —Cryptic 02:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is currently a mess, due to the clear canvassing. Actual analysis of available source material would be quite helpful; discussion of "well known" or roles played is, well, not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have to say quite a lot of me is unhappy with this vote, the whiff of UPE and a host of appalling, gushing Times of India society page pieces (likely paid) really do go against any desire to keep this thing, but the fact of the matter is that there IS other coverage out there (although Bollywood/Indian celebrity media is pretty rough stuff) and the subject does now have multiple significant roles. So a mild case of the shudders, but a keep vote nonetheless... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:34, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep plenty of coverage in Hindi sources as well as what's explained above, some is the typical celebrity gossit (celebrated her birthday in xyz country!). The TV roles help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- She is a popular person in Tollywood Industry. Nilpriyo (talk) 11:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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