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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. JulesH makes a very good argument which wasn't countered sufficiently to even consider deleting this article as a result of this discussion. Daniel 09:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2028 Summer Olympics[edit]

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WP:CRYSTAL Will (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Pure speculation at this point Corpx 19:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above, and article is not talk about the actual Olympics, but about the nomination process. The nomination process deserves its own article, but when the time comes. Otherwise we could speculate on Olympics is the far future. tdmg 20:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete as per WP:CRYSTAL only one reliable source just does not provide enough reliable information and cannot see that there will be for many years. Changing to Keep per the expansion that has taken place there on the article since nomination, there is now enough verfiable information in the article for it to be valid. Davewild 21:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as per WP:CRYSTAL. The page only really includes information about the bid which might possibly happen from one country. If the article was named for the potential Dutch big and directly discussed it then it would have a slightly stronger claim to be retained but even that would no doubt not satisfy WP:CRYSTAL.--Mendors 21:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to a Keep as a result of the substantial changes made to the article as a result of the AfD process. It now contains notable and referenced material.--Mendors 21:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep strong. Such articles strenghthen olimpic movement and understanding among nations. Very usefull information and this is KNOWLEDGE(wiki). Maybe single project is necessary and fullfilment during timeTtturbo 21:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • How does this article help "understanding among nations" ? Corpx 21:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is exaggerated, the 2012 Games are still five years away, and there is already an article for 2028? Fails WP:CRYSTAL.JForget 23:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I am the author of the 2028 Summer Olympics page, and have added additional information, such as the proposed Seattle/Vancouver bid. Since this would be the first multi-national bid, this is a significant event in the Olympic movement, even if the bid doesn't succeed or is abandoned. I would claim that the 2028 Olympics page has far more relevance then the 2024 and 2016 pages, because of the 100 year anniversary for Amsterdam and the prospect of the Seattle/Vancouver joint bid. Although it may seem far away, cities really do start exploring these things this early. TruckOttr
  • Not trying to be sarcastic, but wouldnt the 2138 Summer Olympics be even more important because it'll be the 200th year anniversary and so on? Corpx 00:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not trying to be sarcastic either, but there is no published verifiable information about any city considering 2138 Summer Olympics however as noted on the page, there are multiple instances of verifiable information about cities and even individuals spending money to plan for the 2028 Summer Olympics. There are many other Wikipedia pages that have less verifiable information on them. TruckOttr
  • Delete as way too premature, but possible merge the Vancouver/Seattle proposal with either the main Olympic Games article or the 2010 Olympics article. 23skidoo 04:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment shouldn't 2026 Winter Olympics exist before this article does? 70.51.11.252 04:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Only if reliable sources are discussing it. JulesH 12:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply to verifiable speculation that has been discussed in reliable sources. In fact, quoting from WP:CRYSTAL: "[...] and 2036 Summer Olympics are not considered appropriate article topics because nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research." This is a well-sourced article that is verifiable and does not contain original research. JulesH 12:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - reliable sources seem to exist referring to the 2028 Olympics. WP:CRYSTAL only applies if it's unverifiable OR. -Halo 13:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - although there is a question about how far into the future these articles should be created that needs to be answered.Traditional unionist 14:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Reliable information already exists, and we can be certain that additional information will be added to this topic as time goes on. See, for example, the 2024 article, which already lists almost a dozen cities that are exploring bidding for those Games. In response to Traditional unionist's question about how far into the future articles like this should be created, I'd say that 20 to 25 years is about the right time horizon for a major global event like the Olympics. Cities around the world are definitely thinking about the 2024 and 2028 Games, and probably 2032 also, but going out to 2036 and 2040 would probably be premature at this point. Jpo 17:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, wiki is not a crystal ball but it doesnt need to be as this article provides details of what will actually happen.--Vintagekits 21:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep We're going to want this article eventually, so why delete it? JelloSheriffBob
    • we don't have articles on future congresses, or the yet to be born babies of presidents (the analogy fails a bit here because the bady could die before birth), even if we will have articles on them in the future. tdmg 17:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 23:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per above comments to do so, esp. as way too in the future. Bearian 20:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • See the already detailed and well-referenced 2024 article. Is this also "way too in the future"? Lots of cities are thinking ahead to these Olympics already. There's not too much of a distinction between the detailed 2024 plans and the preliminary 2028 plans. As I said earlier, I think 2036 and 2040 are premature at this point, but there's no harm in having articles for 2028 (and also 2032) that we know are going to be created at some point anyway. 02:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Article is reliably sourced. WP:CRYSTAL is clearly abided. --SmokeyJoe 03:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No way to make an article about this without it being original research in some way. Bulldog123 03:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's just speculation at this point. No decisions have been made. daviddurdent 03:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, what exactly is speculation? The location is speculation little else.--Vintagekits 18:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per JulesH and Halo. I looked through the facts which might be OR, such as Vancoucer-Seattle potentially being the first multi-national bid and the travel time between cities being similar to Vancouver-Whistler, and it checks out. These are facts and speculation reported in reliable sources, all discussing it in the context of the 2028 bids and therefore not OR. MeekSaffron 19:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete even with sources it's still pretty wild speculation, so unless we're reporting wild speculations then it seems wrong to keep it. SamBC 12:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, seems fine to me. —Xezbeth 13:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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