Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Abilene Christian Wildcats football team

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The result was keep. qedk (t 桜 c) 06:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Abilene Christian Wildcats football team[edit]

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Per WP:NSEASONS Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The program's nowhere close to elite, or even good ~~(they didn't even qualify for one of the zillion bowl games last year)~~, so NSEASONS applies. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:37, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why would one expect an FCS team to qualify for a bowl game? --Kinu ^t/_c 15:14, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree this argument is preposterous and demonstrates a complete lack of WP:BEFORE. I hope the closing admin will give it according weight. Smartyllama (talk) 20:46, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kinu, one wouldn't if one was familiar with the topic. FCS teams generally don't play in bowl games. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —Мандичка^YO 😜 09:33, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep 1) Why on earth was this nominated four minutes after the article was created? Talk about not giving the article creator time to flesh out the article. 2) We have articles for each of the previous seven Abilene Christian football seasons, as well as most FCS seasons in recent memory. See the precedent established here. Lepricavark (talk) 13:33, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep – WP:CFB has a practice of having individual season articles for FBS and FCS teams. This article would have been created at some point before the 2020 season began, and, as the 2019 season has concluded, it is not WP:TOOSOON. Clarityfiend's rationale for deletion is invalid, because, while there did seem to be a "zillion" bowl games last year, FCS teams do not qualify for bowl games (save for the Celebration Bowl), but rather the FCS Playoffs. Willbb234's deletion rationale is simply a link to WP:NSEASONS, which states that the amount written by reliable sources on a weekly basis for some of these programs is enough that almost anything or anyone having any relation to them is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline in relation to top-level programs. Despite not being a "top-level program", ACU is still written about by multiple reliable, verifiable sources every week. This is all in spite of the fact that this AfD was created (4 minutes after the publication of the article) against the guideline listed at WP:AfD that states If the article was recently created, please consider allowing the contributors more time to develop the article. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's very seldom any reason to nominate an article four minutes after it was created. AFD is not cleanup and there is no deadline to fix things. It's obviously a notable topic, there's really no point in wasting everyone's time discussing, deleting, and restoring in a little bit. The argument that it should be deleted because the team didn't qualify for a bowl is even more absurd, as anyone who did even the slightest bit of research into the subject would know they are an FCS team and therefore would not compete in a bowl regardless. Smartyllama (talk) 20:28, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As an example of what kind of coverage an ACU season typically gets, examples from previous seasons include [1], [2], [3]. [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], and [14]. All of which I found in about two minutes of Googling. There's a lot more out there, If nom had done any WP:BEFORE whatsoever. they'd have seen that every ACU football season gets a ton of coverage, well above the notability threshold. Let's just close this and stop wasting everybody's time, please. There really needs to be more done about editors who waste people's time with multiple frivolous AfDs like this. Smartyllama (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. FCS seasons are notable by any rational reading of GNG. We need to have them up before the next season starts. Ostealthy (talk) 22:12, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Smartyllama, Ostealthy, PCN02WPS, and Lepricavark. Passes GNG and subject area conventions for inclusion. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NSEASONS states that at the college level, "For programs considered elite in a sport ... many or all seasons might be notable regardless of the outcome". In what universe is the Wildcats program considered elite? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NSEASONS doesn't make a whole of sense or provide much value here. All Division I football seasons clearly pass GNG. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:35, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Mayors of towns get local coverage. So do lower-tier college teams. That isn't enough IMO. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So ESPN is considered local coverage now? See [15] and [16], which each took me two seconds to find. I'm sure if you bother to spend more time doing WP:BEFORE you'll find even more. Smartyllama (talk) 13:26, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also more national coverage here, here, and so many others I could note but at this point it would just be excessive. See basically all the articles linked here and here, all of which would have taken very little time to find. Smartyllama (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:ROUTINE, "routine news coverage of such things as announcements, sports, speculative coverage, and tabloid journalism are not sufficient basis for an article." One of your links is to a year's schedule, which hardly qualifies as in-depth coverage. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And you're not even going to address the literally dozens of other links? Fine, maybe that one link is routine, but there are literally dozens if you click and scroll down a bit. Smartyllama (talk) 20:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat, routine local news coverage, most of it Abilene Reporter News articles, plus a couple from obscure sources. There's one Sports Illustrated article and an ESPN. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ummm.... I see literally dozens of national news articles from the AP, ESPN, and CBS Sports if you click a link, scroll down, and click another. I didn't think I needed to link them all individually since I figured that would be excessive and people could find them themselves, but since you insist... [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], and [35], and there are others too but if these don't convince you, nothing will and I'm not going to waste any more of my time. Smartyllama (talk) 20:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll also note that WP:ROUTINE says "Routine events such as sports matches, film premieres, press conferences etc. may be better covered as part of another article." Nobody is saying each individual game of the season is notable. Rather, we're covering them as part of another, larger article, which is exactly what WP:ROUTINE says to do. Smartyllama (talk) 20:46, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes WP:GNG easily. WP:TOOSOON standards are met because (among other reasons) the schedule is set and we can be confident the games will occur. Typically we create season articles after the previous season has ended to help with having a placeholder as news comes online and the article is built. This is standard practice.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:38, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 07:08, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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