Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/"Old Jabo"

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The result was Merge to Sonny Terry for the time being, alloweing recreation if/when sources can be found. Note that I've fixed the title by removing the quotes to prevent a double redirect.Black Kite 23:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Old Jabo[edit]

Editor removed prod tag with "unreliable proponent" - odd, since three people had prod-2'd it. Anyway, here we are at an AfD, then. Non-notable song, unsourced, appears to be original research. Tan | 39 15:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and WP:OR. Qworty (talk) 04:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep provisionally. Lots of hits on google, and downloads, which I think is pretty significant for a song over 50 years old. It is important that wikipedia does not suffer from recentism. Does need references, which should be available from books discussing the era. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the Google hits. I never would nominate something like this without doing at least a moderate amount of research first. I should be more specific above - by "non-notable", I meant that I didn't find that it met the applicable part of WP:MUSIC: "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." If this song can be shown to meet the above criteria, of course this AfD should be closed as a speedy keep. Tan | 39 06:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True that. We just need someone with a book or something. I'll alert WP:Music Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Sonny Terry. I agree with Cas, this is a case of recentism/not on web. This song is part of the classic folk blues repertoire, but I'm unable to come up with much via Google. If I really wanted to dig, I suspect that I could get this song to meet WP:MUSIC via the "covered by other notable artists" criterion, but frankly that wouldn't give us any material to expand the article. I fully expect that in books about McGhee/Terry or the period in general that there is more information, and I hope that someone with more knowledge provides it. Even in the absence of new material, however, this is appropriate for a merge/redirect. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 13:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Redirect probably not notable enough on its own but, plenty of stuff shows it in relation to the two songwriters and the line about Sonny playing the harmonica doesn't work for "performed by multiple artists" so would need to be removed. If it stays it needs references and some assertion of the songs notability away from the artist in the article. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep I have added a reference (which forced me to learn how to cite liner notes!) to a rather definitive source in demonstrating the song's cultural significance. It really needs more substance, and additional sources. Jim Miller (talk) 03:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Sonny Terry or other related articles. Lack of notability and it's OR. Not sufficient for article. Enigma ^message 04:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to singer. Reywas92 ^Talk 22:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Casliber and Jim Miller. — Athaenara ✉ 23:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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