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DYK[edit]

On 8 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pingo National Landmark, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 14:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Country references[edit]

Wikipedia is read internationally. Please do not remove the country reference from articles. Thank you. Skeezix1000 11:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In general I agree, but typical references for the U.S., Canada, U.K. (and sometimes Australia), use sub-national names (states, provinces), full stop. These are always linked, so if a reader has any doubt, it's easy to look up. Yoho2001 09:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most articles do, in fact, reference the country. In any event, those articles that do not contain a country reference should be edited to include one. WP:BETTER states that "Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia. People who read Wikipedia have different backgrounds, education and worldviews. Make your article accessible and understandable for as many readers as possible. Assume readers are reading the article to learn. It is possible the reader knows nothing about the subject: the article needs to fully explain the subject." It also states:"State facts which may be obvious to you, but are not necessarily obvious to the reader. Usually, such a statement will be in the first sentence or two of the article."

A reader should not have to consult other articles to determine such a fundamental piece of information, especially when the information was until recently in the article itself. WP:LEAD states: "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any. Many users read only the lead, so it should be self-contained and cover the main points."

The country in which a place is located is key information, and there does not appear to be any compelling reason to remove that information from either the lead paragraph or infobox of an article. Skeezix1000 17:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I get the sense that you may have taken offense to something I edited which is close to your heart. If that's the case, feel free to let me know and we can discuss it. I'm certainly not trying to offend. About your argument in general, though... By the same logic, we should add the name of the continent as well. And in fact, that might make sense for articles about subjects in smallish countries that are less generally known (e.g., The Gambia). But we shouldn't impose that upon every article. For most, the country does suffice. But in the U.S., Canada, and the U.K., common usage and style is to note the city, sometimes county (especially in the U.K.), then the state or province (in the U.K.: England/Scotland/Wales/N. Ireland). These sub-national units are part of the common lexicon, and many approximate the size of nations. I appreciate your desire for consistency, but it's sometimes hard to impose that across the board. I suppose it depends on context. Sometimes the country is called for, sometimes it's not. I'm trying to imagine seeing "United States of America" or even just "U.S.A." in every related article, and it seems onerous and, in many cases, not essential. The beauty of Wikipedia is that common style can be observed, while allowing any reader in doubt to lookup a fact. Yoho2001 04:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, you haven't caused any offense.

No, it would be unusual and unnecessary to name the continent.

You seem to be mistaken as to the common usage in Wikipedia.

You needn't travel far beyond Canada's borders for a good many people not to know where Saskatchewan or Ontario is. The same can be said for Australian states, French regions, German states, etc.

In any event, "people can look it up" is not a valid reason to remove correct and relevant information from an article.

Whereas I agree that sometimes the fact the information is true does not mean that it merits inclusion in an article (we've all seen instances where an editor insists on cramming an article full of trivial minutia), the country in which a place is located is fundamental information. Skeezix1000 18:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Map[edit]

Hi, I only recoloured the horrid grey map before. I'm afraid that would mean having to draw a new line to recolor America which I'm not familiar with. Hopefully some time we can get some better maps. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Country references[edit]

Please stop removing country references from articles. Wikipedia is read internationally, and the country reference is a standard and important piece of information. Obviously, there is no issue replacing awkward language (such as "Canadian province of Saskatchewan") or adding a province reference, but neither edit requires removing the country reference. Thanks. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For most countries I'd agree, but when you have states and provinces which themselves eclipse the size of most nations, it may not be as necessary to include the country name--at least in the first sentence. Perhaps a more creative way of informing could be sought. Instead of the simple addition of "United States of America", "Canada" and "United Kingdom" to every single placename reference in these countries (a style overly repetitive and tedious), a phrase incorporating the country name could be written. That would preserve the common reference style (<city, state> and <city, province>, full stop), whilst telling the country. In some cases, the country name may not even be necessary if the article has an accompanying map of national or continental scale clearly showing a place's location. Such maps and infoboxes typically contain a 'country' field. Yoho2001 (talk) 05:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're overly complicating it, and your view that the style is repetitive and tedious is subjective (and nobody is suggesting that it has to be repeated throughout the article where it is unnecessary to do so - just the lead). It's the standard on Wikipedia, regardless of the infobox or the views of individual editors on the (ir)relevance of the physical size of provinces vis-a-vis other nations. Please stop. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When it comes to things sylistic, observations are often subjective. The <city, state> and <city, province> style does follow well-established custom, and is also found in myriad articles on Wikipedia. We have no argument about geographic fact, just how it might be best presented. County, continental and hemispheric names are commonly omitted. The country name may well be germane, and could be included in the lead sentence. And if it can be done in a creatively informative way, as I think it could almost always be, so much the better. Yoho2001 (talk) 05:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The <city, state> and <city, province> style follows well-established custom in the United States and Canada. Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia, and its style should serves the needs of its international readers, not just what is North American readers are accustomed to. It is unreasonable to expect that international readers have ever heard of Ontario and Manitoba, let alone Prince Edward Island. They can be expected to know where Canada is, so adding Canada helps the reader locate where in the world the subject of the article is. Your deletion of Canada does not hep international readers in any way. In the case of your edits to William Hay (architect), changing "Toronto, Canada" to "Toronto, Ontario" to describe his work from 1853-1861 was anachronistic -- "Ontario" did not come into use until 1867. Before that, the region was the Canada West part of the Province of Canada. Quebec was not used officially - it was Canada East. Regards, Ground Zero | t 19:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Hay article omitted the name of the province in favor of the country name, a bothersome habit I've noticed elsewhere, which we agree goes against convention in the U.S. and Canada. I inserted Ontario to adhere to that convention for the sake of readers here in America, and for the sake of readers from further away—to educate them about the convention and tell them what province we're talking about. The name of the country could well be included in the same or an adjacent sentence in a more creative way than by omitting the province. Perhaps here we could say "Toronto, Ontario (then called Canada West)".

You're correct about Ontario not coming into being until 1867. That's a point I've made elsewhere on the web. Even historical plaques sometimes get the name wrong. But in this case, the reference is to the oldest buildings currently in the city of Toronto. And Toronto is currently in Ontario. The reference is contemporary, not historical. If the article said Hays built such-and-such a building in 1854 in Toronto, Ontario, that would be inaccurate. The way it is written, however, allows for the use of Ontario.

Apart from this, I'm surprised at the number of references to places in Canada which almost obsessively insert "Canada" in place of provincial names. Sometimes they are in addition to them, as if addressing a package overseas. By comparison, the U.S., with the same <city, state> convention, seems comfortable with the use of that style, in many places not even adding 'United States'. Perhaps it's an expression of confidence in public knowledge of state names(?). If there's any doubt, the beauty of Wikipedia is that the state and province name is linked to an explanation. Yet provinces are, for the most part, much larger than states, and deserve a similar expression. Both countries' names can be used, of course, but I'd suggest not as part of a string of three geographic names. Yoho2001 (talk) 12:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is likely that people reading Wikipedia are more familiar with state names than with provincial names because of the prevalence of U.S. media. Having said that, it would be more useful for international readers to identify the country, rather than the state. The fact that many U.S.-centric writers do not do so is not a good argument for making the same mistake with Canadian articles. Providing useful information for international readers is a far, far better goal to work towards than "convention" in Canada and the U.S. Canadian readers already know that Toronto is in Ontario. Why do they need that repeated here? A reader in South Africa or India or China probably does not know where Ontario is, and may not know that Toronto is in Canada. Why is it more important to follow local convention that to provide useful information? Ground Zero | t 21:36, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Bead Hill[edit]

Did you make this edit, perhaps while you were inadvertently not signed in, to add the coordinates for Bead Hill? Someone from Rouge Park is trying to delete the coordinates, in order to protect the integrity of the archaeological resources. Typically, we would not delete this information simply because Rouge Park staff demand it, especially if it is publicly available, but we might consider the request if depending on the issues involved. The first question is how you came to know the coordinates (assuming it was you that added them). Perhaps you just happen to be familiar with the site. However, if the coordinates are widely known, then that could potentially impact how we deal with the Rouge Park request. Cheers, --Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Skeezix. Your question prompted a little searching. It seems the Bead Hill location is publicly available on a Heritage Toronto map, where it's identified by its alternate name "Ganatsekwyagon": http://www.heritagetoronto.org/discover-toronto/map. It's also found on a map by the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority, which is on Rouge Park's governing board: http://www.trca.on.ca/dotAsset/37769.pdf (page 11-25).

Also, I recall a public debate about the land being sold to a developer who wanted to build either a subdivision or a hotel there. That prompted nomination of the site to the HSMB, which named it a NHS. It was reported in the papers, along with its location and photographs, and possibly a map. Interestingly, the Rouge Park website highlights Bead Hill as one of its treasures, though without giving a location: http://www.rougepark.com/unique/cultural.php

If coordinates are removed, I suppose the same logic could be applied to the rest on the list (in order to "protect" sites), and we wouldn't know where our NHSs are. When you refer to "we", do you mean those of us on Wikipedia who are interested? Yoho2001 (talk) 06:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That's very helpful. By "we", I mean anyone interested. I will raise the issue generally, and leave you a note once that's done letting you know so you can participate. By protection, I think the person who raised this concern was really talking in terms of archaeological resources, which could be potentially be disturbed, so the same logic wouldn't necessarily apply to other historic sites. But I do see your point. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be glad to share views on this in a general discussion. Many NHSs include archeological resources which are already legally protected from significant disturbance and removal, even if not gated and staffed (many are not). Battle of Cook's Mills NHS, for example, is a unit of the national park system containing archeological remains. There are no visitor facilities or staff on site, leaving its resources as vulnerable as those at Bead Hill. But its location is marked. Yoho2001 (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I have spoken with the person from Rouge Park, Goodnewt, who is a little perplexed by this process. She indicated that she might like to discuss the issue with you first before I raise it in a wider forum, so she may leave a note here. I still think the issue needs to be raised for some wider input, but I have said that I will hold off doing so until she says to go ahead. Obviously I would let you both know immediately upon doing so so that you can both share your thoughts. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:45, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Moving photos[edit]

Actually the description only said I am the uploader of the image on commons, all the rest sait you are the author of the photos and the original uploader. I know this problem on Commons. As a compromise I can create a hidden category like commons:Category:Images by Fralambert for traking your picture. It's also usefull if somemone decide to correct one of your poicture on commons. The best is always to upload directly your photos on commons, so a another wiki can also have the acces to it. --Fralambert (talk) 22:54, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Over the last week, I took a break from being challenged on contributions I made to the text of an article. Sometimes within minutes of sending something in, things were reverted and/or deleted, after I'd spent a fair effort getting the information and sources. Rather than feeling I was making a positive contribution (the impetus to working on Wikipedia), the challenges and quick deletions of even small points, ahead of discussion, was discouraging, emotionally draining, and time-consuming insofar as writing replies and defenses. I opted to focus for a while on uploading my NHS photos, an arena in which I believed there would be no controversy, and might even win a word of appreciation.

About the photo files: You're correct, there are references to the original author and uploader, but looking at File History, it's easy to get the impression that the one who moved it from Wikipedia to Commons is the author. That user is listed first, alongside a thumb of the image, and is the sole "user" identified there. I'm not sure how creating a hidden category helps. Also, the new infobox created immediately below the main photo is not the one I created, and does not appear to allow editing now (does it?). These issues bring up some of the very frustrations I was seeking to escape for a time.

When first uploaded, the pictures were for use on en.wikipedia. I notice French descriptions have been added to several image files, sometimes replacing the English ones I had created. Is there a reason for that? Do you plan to add other languages? Do you add French (and other) descriptions to other photos you find?

When I first uploaded these recent photos, the intention was to restrict them to Wikipedia before sending them to Commons. For one, I have grown familiar with the method of uploading to Wikipedia. For another, it was to allow time for any glitches or comments to be made by users. For another, it would allow time to learn the process of uploading to Commons, and what that implies. I'm flattered you want to see them available for other pages and projects. Is it urgent they be moved from where I placed them, within days or hours of publication? I've seen others' images not be touched for years. I don't mind doing the moving. Yoho2001 (talk) 00:28, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Hidden cat is the best way to keep track of your picture on Commons, even if a another person upload or reupload your picture. Actually, for the description I use de template multilanguage description or mld for short, just check betwin the picture ans the description they are maybe setled in french. (oops. I fund a problem in the walker site, it is now corrected). Your picture a quite good and usefull, you sould have no shame to put them directly on commons. The licence is mostly the same and they have a featured picture system, like commons:Commons:Quality images, wich a wiki don't have. I would be tankfull if you put them on commons so I can use some of them on the wiki in french. --Fralambert (talk) 01:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Fralambert. Perhaps I'll revisit all the photos I've made and send them to Commons under my name. Of course, these images are to be shared (and I appreciate your desire to use them). There is yet something proprietary which photographers feel about their images, and I'd rather have my fingerprints on them even at their nativity as shared files. Yoho2001 (talk) 05:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yoho, I left you a lengthy response at the NHSC article, but thought I'd leave a follow-up here, and then saw this discussion. I probably ought to have responded here.

The thing is, when you upload your images on Wikipedia, they are freely-licensed and it is open to anyone to move them to the Commons. It's actually somewhat of a compliment - it means someone else thinks they are good (nobody bothers to transfer crappy photos) and useful for other Wikipedia projects. Timing-wise, there is no benefit to waiting if another project wants to use them (and, frankly, another editor would have had no idea that you wanted to wait a few days - trasnferring is fairly routine). You will see that many of your images are being used on French Wikipedia now, as well as the English one. Eventually, I anticipate they will start to pop up on Wikipedias in other languages. Images such as these really ought to be uploaded to the Commons in the first place. I understand why you didn't, for the good reasons you've give. But the upload process at the Commons is much the same (easier, actually), as are the implications (same licenses). It also means that you get to be the one to upload them, and no one else will ever transfer them to another project.

You can edit your images that are already over at the Commons - when you go to the image description page here on Wikipedia, click on the "description page there" link in the Commons box directly below the image, and edit away (you don't even need a Commons account).

I think it is also important to remember that the person whose name is listed next to the thumbnail of the image at the bottom of the page is merely the uploader. The uploader routinely ≠ the author on files uploaded at the Commons. The author/photographer is listed above in the image description box.

As for your edits, I responded in length both last week and today over at the NHSC article. But I would just say this. First, I apologize if I ever made you feel frustrated or that your contributions are not valued. Quite the opposite. But part and parcel of the Wikipedia experience is that others may disagree with your edits, and that's all part of the "bold, revert, discuss" cycle. This always happens when you have multiple editors that have done a lot of research on a topic - they have different views/interpretations, but usually they find their way to agreement. I did last week insert some proposed compromise language on the national historic park thing, which I think balances our two views on the issue, so your thoughts here would be helpful, and I did spend a good chunk of my weekend, including a visit to the reference library, to find a source for your battlefield information, so that it could be added (along with the information that Fralambert found about the French and U.K. precedents). --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for all this. Clearly you have a zeal for Wikipedia and the time to dedicate toward it. Too bad they don't offer honorariums or half- or full-time positions. You'd certainly be a candidate. Heck, I'd apply too. I appreciate your apology. Frustration came from being put on what I saw as a rather continual defensive (even for using "U.S." vs. 'American', in one case, in an effort to specify the country). Manipulation of the photo files at their very nativity added to that. But yes, perhaps I will move all my photos to the Commons. I'd prefer my fingerprints all over my work, at least at the start of their shared file lives.

You went to the reference library? You really do have time to put into this! But I did say I believed I had a source on that and was looking for it, having read it before. Perhaps I wasn't fast enough. Again, this is not a full-time job for me. But it might have been good to let me handle it, especially given I'd indicated I was looking. Pending its discovery, I could have easily reworded the sentence to inform readers about the battlefields, without saying they stimulated actions in Ottawa. Instead, the text was deleted, and my sourcing efforts usurped. The text was later reinserted (by you) with sources (by you).

This, with other edits, and the photos too... Well, you can see how someone could get the sense that no move they made could be left to stand unless you were involved, and approved the work. (This is not the case for every single item (e.g., geographic coordinates).) Yes, this is a collaborative effort, like building a house. But it's fair to recognize a person takes pride in the things they work on, especially something they've initiated. You've done much to improve the NHS pages, indeed, and can take great pride in those efforts. Allowing others the same satisfaction would be a good thing. Yoho2001 (talk) 05:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's the thing with Wikipedia. It's a collaborative effort, and that means others will edit your work. Similarly, while everyone is encouraged to be BOLD and to add new additions, new revisions are always subject to consensus. And when a new revision runs afoul of WP:V and/or WP:OR, it shouldn't be surprising when it gets deleted or edited. Without any connection to historic preservation efforts in Canada, the reference to civil war battlefields has no relevance to the article, so it would inevitably have been deleted either way. I know it can be discouraging (trust me - I have been there), but I have come to appreciate that this is process works best. There is nothing stopping you from adding additional sources or proposing new wording. I encourage you to continue your contributions, and not to be discouraged.

In terms of images, I have one suggestion in terms of your images that have been transferred to the Commons: if Framlabert has no objections, you could always upload these images to the Commons again (under different names), so that you would be shown as the uploader as well as the author, and then I could delete the existing versions (I am an admin at the Commons). It would require you to switch all uses on Wikipedia projects to the new image names, and you would need to alert me right away so I can deal with the old duplicate images. Let me know if that is something you would like to do.

Also, in terms of images, I thought you might be interested in Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 Canada. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 23:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Thanks[edit]

There's actually a link next to 'undo' by every edit in a page history, as well as on diff pages. I've rarely used the feature since they added it last year, but I really do appreciate your contributions! That whole set of parks articles can fall out of date easily, especially with so many new units and changes at once! I wrote the list pages for the National Parks and National Monuments, and I have to pay attention to the news when there's a new one. Reywas92^Talk 05:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brereton Lake National Park[edit]

I was thinking about the possible source about Brereton Lake National Park. Not a direct source, but the The British North America Act, 1930 only mention Riding Mountain as land reserved for national Park for Manitoba. I try to found the 1930 act to see if the parc is mentionned. --Fralambert (talk) 04:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Date format[edit]

Regarding your edits at Halifax Explosion, please see MOS:DATERET. Thank you. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Hertz1888. Edits made in the article lean upon traditional date expressions as used in newspapers, broadcast media, calendars, correspondence styles, et al., across Canada, and which are permitted by MOS:DATETIES. It's unclear what inspired the inversion of month and day. Perhaps you can supply its origin or rationale, but common use sees the <month, day> style employed. The other appears to be an imported form, based perhaps on Metric or computer programming requirements. Yoho2001 (talk) 04:11, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The rule you cite prefers neither format over the other for Canadian topics and calls for consistency within an article, the rule I cited mentions keeping the predominant style. It is quite clear what that is. I wouldn't know about the origins or rationale. You are welcome to seek consensus for a switchover, but I fail to see the importance or need for such a change. With regard to what should be and remain in the article, I think the ship has already sailed. Best wishes, Hertz1888 (talk) 04:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My edits were making it consistent, because both styles were used within the article and references. I'd support using dates as commonly expressed and spoken of, which is as "December 12, 2015". You do see the other format, but it's not predominant, and reads less intuitively. This is mainly because, when you see a whole digit in a sentence without being prefaced by the name of a month, you think of a whole number, "twelve" in this example. But we don't say or think "Twelve December Two Thousand Fifteen". We need to do a more mental gymnastics to have it make sense, a translation into "the Twelfth of December...". Writing "December 12" requires less translation, for we only mentally convert "12" into the ordinal number "twelfth", without having to add two articles. It seems more functional, which is probably why it's more common. Yoho2001 (talk) 22:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreement vs. establishment[edit]

It's a litle old, but this list [1] have the agreement and establishment years of the national parks (some park where since established, like Pacific Rim was established in 2001). --Fralambert (talk) 04:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Fralambert. This is a helpful reference. Some parts of this document are from 2009, it's true, but this particular page notes that it was updated in 2014. Here, Pacific Rim's agreement dates are 1970 and 1987, but there is no establishment date, which is consistent with its Reserve status. It's not a national park...yet, but it's been a Reserve for more than 45 years. It should probably appear under 'Proposed Parks'. Meantime, some parks we took as fully established appear not to be, as there is no establishment date shown. This requires further research. Yoho2001 (talk) 04:23, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said it is a little old, Pacific Rim National Park Reserve was established in 2001 with the Canada National Parks Act[2]. It is why if you check this site, the status year is 2001. The only parks who are actually on agreement are Bruce, Pukaskwa and Mealy Mountains. For the National Marine Conservation Areas, Famthom Five is also on agreement. --Fralambert (talk) 04:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The way I understand it, the legal description of Pacific Rim and other Reserves can be entered under the National Parks Act to be administered as if they were parks, pending land claim settlement(s). That does not make them national parks, however, as the Reserve class was set up as a type of limbo until they become full parks. Meantime, they enjoy protected status so they are not impaired, should they finally join the national park system. In any case, this augurs for breaking them out from the national parks list as Proposed Parks. The definition of a Reserve is consistent with this.

The agreement vs. establishment dates are interesting, and I appreciate learning about Pacific Rim's 2001 establishment as a Reserve. Other ParksCan sources seem to be off-base on this, so it's worth checking each one. It's great to learn about Bruce Peninsula, Pukaskwa, and Fathom Five being created via agreements. Mealy Mountains is still proposed, I think, but good to know it's based on a similar formula. I wonder why one route is chosen vs. another. Yoho2001 (talk) 22:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For the reason, it easy, Quebec, British Columbia and Labrador don't have "surender treaty" with the First Nations living in the province. Il not sure you sould put national park reserves in a proposed list. Maybe the best is to put them in separated list? Oh, a Mealy Mountains is considered as created, since a agreement was signed in the and of July to transfert the crown land into the federal domain[3]. --Fralambert (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and please elaborate on how the lack of a "surrender treaty" affects creation of parks and/or park reserves. There are reserves both within and without the provinces you mention.

I would support the Reserves being in a separated list on the page, if not under "Proposed", to help clarify their distinction.

The news release about Mealy Mountains trumpets a new park, but talks about what it will protect, and notes that a Park Benefits Agreement must first be negotiated, and a bill tabled in the House. As we have seen for years, announcements like this are more a reflection of good intentions and ongoing processes rather than an accomplished fact. Until the bill is certified and becomes law, it's still a proposed Reserve, no matter how anxious ParksCan or its political masters might be to want to count it now. Yoho2001 (talk) 09:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Take Mingan Archipelago, the Innu are actually in territorial negociation since the 1980s (but the negociation is mostly dead since 2003), since the claimed territory include the park, it's considered as a Park Reserve. For Mealy Mountains, if I understand the Summary of Land Transfer Agreement Between en Government of Newfoundland and Labrador and Parks Canada, the province will transfer "transfer to Parks Canada the administration and control of the lands" within six months. It's why they put the "46^th national park" in the press release. I know there is a big difference between a project, a area of interest, take this project by exemple. If my memory don't fail me, Tursujuq National Park was a long time "area of interrest" before the goverment of Quebec finaly decide to make it a provincial park. --Fralambert (talk) 03:18, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Yoho2001 I couldn't find the source code. But I can help you with those boxes. As you asked to align the box below a image on the right side. I imagined it in two ways, See below↓↓↓

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Did I do it in the way you asked? If not reply me.Siddartha897 (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I love the pictures! You have a good sense of humor :) I’ll play with the formatting, and see if it can work. Yoho2001 (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There is no freedom of panorama for text in Canada

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Please consider addressing the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated files}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and files for discussion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. --TheImaCow (talk) 16:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of File:Plaque to the NPC.jpg[edit]

The file File:Plaque to the NPC.jpg has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unused, there is no freedom of panorama for text in Canada

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated files}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the file's talk page.

Please consider addressing the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated files}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and files for discussion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. --TheImaCow (talk) 16:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File permission problem with File:Sam Lount hanging plaque.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading File:Sam Lount hanging plaque.jpg, which you've attributed to Alan Brown. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release it under the given license.

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make a note permitting reuse under the CC BY-SA or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or
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If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to [email protected].

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If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. Here is a list of your uploads. Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described in section F11 of the criteria for speedy deletion. You may wish to read Wikipedia's image use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --TheImaCow (talk) 17:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replaceable non-free use File:Battle of New Orleans stamp 2015.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading File:Battle of New Orleans stamp 2015.jpg. I noticed that this file is being used under a claim of non-free use. However, I think that the way it is being used fails the first non-free content criterion. This criterion states that files used under claims of non-free use may have no free equivalent; in other words, if the file could be adequately covered by a freely-licensed file or by text alone, then it may not be used on Wikipedia. If you believe this file is not replaceable, please:

Go to the file description page and add the text {{Di-replaceable non-free use disputed|<your reason>}} below the original replaceable non-free use template, replacing <your reason> with a short explanation of why the file is not replaceable.
On the file's talk page, write a full explanation of why you believe the file is not replaceable.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media item by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by creating new media yourself (for example, by taking your own photograph of the subject).

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these media fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification, per the non-free content policy. If you have any questions, please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]