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Happy editing! Dylan620 (he/him · talk · edits) 02:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hello

Apologies if this is the incorrect way to communicate.

You just contacted me with regards to an edit I made on Dvin (ancient city), claiming it was "unconstructive".

The piece I editted suggests Dvin was one of the largest cities east of Constantinople. This claim is referenced to the work Armenia: Art, Media and Trade in the Middle Ages, which I have a copy of, which checking in it in turn refers this claim to work done by Garsoian in 1991, p.666. I have been unable to obtain this work, so cannot see where Garsoian has obtained the dimensions of Dvin before its destruction. However, the map of the ruins provided on the Wikipedia page matches the ruins that are still visible - roughly a round-cornered triangle with the greatest dimension of about 500m. Given that many medieval cities in China were in excess of 5,000m in length or breadth, many cities east of Constantinople were truly enormous. Nanking was about 10km in one dimension and Dvin could have been put on the small Qingliangshan hill that housed the Fayan Temple-Monastery. Chang'an was 13km diagonally from corner to corner and over 82,000,000sqm, while Dvin was only 108,000sqm, making Chang'an over 800 times large!

This was also the case with many other cities in Asia east of Constantinople, such as those in Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, several very large cities in India, several on the Silk Road in what might be referred to as Persia, and especially several cities nearby in Mesopotamia and environs such as Baghdad and Tabriz, and even Ani, the former capital of Armenia. All this would actually make Dvin one of the SMALLEST cities east of Constantinople as I can see no archaeological evidence for a larger city around the visible remains. These remains are in fact about the average size of a small medieval town.

Can you please explain how pointing this out is unconstructive? If someone who has not seen many of the medieval remains of the world like I have reads that, looks at the remains, and then believes those remains to represent a large city, they are going to be very confused looking at all the other medieval cities that are clearly much bigger.

Nobbo69 (talk) 01:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

You wrote it in a way that conveyed that it might've not been the largest city as compared to the current ruins, many factors can affect the ruins and there were no sources backing up the idea it might've not been. Wiiformii (talk) 01:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Here is my source - I have just found a map of the lower city, and it is just over 1sqkm, so about 10 times larger than the citadel that is clearly visible.

https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/fs/3f88c031097593.564129dc47758.jpg

This still is NOT even close to being one of the largest cities east of Constantinople - whoever made that claim has not seen many other cities. As I said, Chang'an was over 82sqkm - 82 times bigger! And there are many other cities in China like Beijing and Kaofang and Hangzhou that were much bigger. Kyoto and Kamakura in Japan were much bigger. Soeul, Kaeson and Pyongyang in Korea were much bigger. Hanoi was much bigger. Several cities in India were much bigger. Samarkand, Balkh, Tabriz, Merv, Herat, Shiraz were all bigger. Even Chalkedon straight across the Bosphoros was bigger, as was Ephesos, Ani, Smyrna, Nikaia, Nikopolis, Rhodes, Baghdad, Cairo, Alexandria, the capital of Java, the capitals of the Thai and Burmese states, and so on and so forth.

It is a claim that does not stand up to scrutiny. Nobbo69 (talk) 02:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to make edits with evidence and citations, I just reversed it due to it being unconstructive at the time. Wiiformii (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Looking at cities nearby, medieval Ankara was twice the size, Tabriz, only 200miles away, was 17 times larger. It was about the same size as Ani, but Ani has some satellite areas. Nisibis was 5 times larger. Baghdad was at least 15 times larger, though its actual limits are now difficult to determine. Sultaniyeh in Iran was over 20 times larger. I collect maps of medieval cities and I plot them on Google Earth. I have it all open here right now. Dvin was a middling sized medieval city that was destroyed by the Mongols and forgotten, like many others. It was important for a while, housing one of the several rival Armenian Catholikos Patriarchs, who moved elsewhere afterwards. Dvin is not even "large", let alone "largest". I think it is perfectly acceptable to challenge that claim. Nobbo69 (talk) 02:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Kids read Wikipedia, and if they see something saying "largest", then they will think that is the largest, that's interesting to them. Nanjing and Chang'an were enormous, easily the biggest cities of the medieval period, and Dvin comes nowhere close. Nanjing's arsenal-docks were bigger. Angkor Wat, the temple of Angkor in Cambodia was larger than Dvin, as was the Royal Palace, let alone the actual city, which spread for miles around it. It was defended by waterways and canals and not walls, so it is difficult to assess its full size. That looked to me like weasel words. I checked the references and could not see where they were making such a claim from, so I gently challenged it by suggesting that what can be seen does not show it as "largest" by any means. Nobbo69 (talk) 02:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Don't threaten to take people's editing rights away. I won't report you for that this time. Nobbo69 (talk) 02:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I didn't take it that deeply, I just saw that there was no citation or evidence at the moment and it appeared to be unconstructive. Now that there is information available you can apply it to the article if you want. Wiiformii (talk) 03:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Why have you removed it again? I have shown with a reference how large the city was - about 1sqkm - which is NOT even large, let alone largest? Nobbo69 (talk) 03:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

??? I didn't remove anything? Wiiformii (talk) 03:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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Removing added context to Mar Mari Emmanuel article

Hello, why did you remove my addition to his article of his stabbing, that the assailant was proclaiming allahu akbar while stabbing the bishop? 162.255.33.226 (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

There was no cited information proving this was true. Wiiformii (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Removing my edit on Indian Preservation article

Hi. How was my edit/addition biased? I simply added a fact which makes allows the reader to understand the greater context of Canadian Indian reservations. In no way did I mention any quality of said reservations that are positive/negative. I would like this edit to be reinstated. 92bob (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

There was information that was not relevant to the article that was uncited. Wiiformii (talk) 22:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

As per the Wikipedia revert policy, "Do not revert unnecessary edits (i.e., edits that neither improve nor harm the article). For a reversion to be appropriate, the reverted edit must actually make the article worse." My edit perfectly fits that description. I will now re-revert it. 92bob (talk) 23:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

In addition, once again per the Wikipedia revert policy, "Reverting tends to be hostile, making editing Wikipedia unpleasant. Sometimes this provokes a reciprocal hostility of re-reversion. Sometimes it also leads to editors departing Wikipedia, temporarily or otherwise, especially the less bellicose or the inexperienced. This outcome is clearly detrimental to the development of Wikipedia. Thus, fair and considered thought should be applied to all reversions given all the above." Please take this into consideration.

This policy comes above all else, including our personal opinions on reverting. Have a great day. 92bob (talk) 23:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hey. I am just wondering how many hours per day you spend on wikipedia, and how long you have been editing. 92bob (talk) 22:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I have been editing since January 24, 2022. I am not sure how long I spend, how much do you spend and how long have you been here? Wiiformii (talk) 23:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Jake Chansley Page

There is a claim that he has recanted his conspiratorial views. The reference article does not support that claim. Furthermore as of 4 months ago, he is openly expressing his belief in them and that he only said he stopped believing them to please the judge durin his criminal trial per this video interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6axTQOyfejU

That statement should be removed from his page. 2601:152:4F00:59:A811:F9BE:CC05:AF3D (talk) 00:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

You're right. I was trying to revert my reversion but it wouldn't go through, thanks! Wiiformii (talk) 00:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate it. Thank you. 2601:152:4F00:59:A811:F9BE:CC05:AF3D (talk) 00:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Nicole and OJ article

If you read the articles I have linked, one of them actually shows the trailer for the film, with the release date, as well as Owen Wilson's refusal to be involved 92.17.198.220 (talk) 20:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

The article already stated his refusal to be involved? Wiiformii (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiL6oV0bCCs

Link to trailer. This is bound to boycotted, isn't it? 92.17.198.220 (talk) 20:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm confused sorry! Wiiformii (talk) 20:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey!

Hello, I saw you help on the Vericeras article a few days ago, would you mind categorizing this article I made to help me out. I’m kind of new to editing. Here is the link: Cretalepisma SAYITWITHYOURCHEST (talk) 02:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I fixed the citations and added a short description, sadly I do not know how to add categories, sorry! Wiiformii (talk) 03:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Archives

Oi cara.

User:Barr Theo is in the middle of a "insane streak of creations", so he asked me to tell you to stop archiving the references of the pages created by him (you have already done it three times). He will personally archive all of them once the streak is over on 1 June 2024.

Continuacao de um bom trabalho e obrigado pela consideracao, caralho. 83.223.225.44 (talk) 07:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Could he not have done it himself? Anyway thanks for telling me. Wiiformii (talk) 16:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)