User talk:Whittyrfu

June 2018[edit]

This is the only warning you will receive about ownership of articles, which you showed at St. Francis Catholic Secondary School. The next time you continue to disruptively edit Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. John from Idegon (talk) 03:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

John, I am presenting facts after vandalism over the weekend. Note that I made changes in August 2016....keeping page up to date with staff changes.

Well, you reverted all of John's changes, so "reverting to accurate version after vandalism" includes his five edits. The last vandal edit had already been reverted by ClueBot. The version you reinstated was too promotional, and without any reliable sources. Drmies (talk) 03:16, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just jumping in here as I have been active on St. Francis today due to vandalism and you just reverted again. Although John's version is very limited and plain, the version you reverted to here is unsourced and somewhat promotional. In my opinion, John's version is better to keep everything neutral. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:19, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As the Principal maybe I should know the facts? How would you like me to reference facts of our history.

BTW...we go by Saint...not St. .... may I edit that?

As the principal, you should be aware of Wikipedia Conflict of interest policy. As well, if you can't source it don't add it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:24, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- Drmies, please instate PC protection as requested by another editor at RPP. Whittyrfu, this is an encyclopedia article, not Facebook. None of the content I removed met with even our pillar policies, much less any more nuanced guidelines. This article contains absolutely no encyclopedic content. None. John from Idegon (talk) 03:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Further, Doc, please block this editor until he vets his claim of being principal via OTRS. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 03:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - John, it's possible that he is him--they've been here for seven years. Anyway, I think Whittyrfu understands that I will block them if they make that same revert again. Drmies (talk) 03:33, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Whittyrfu, I thought for a second that the "fu" at the end of your user name indicated...well, you know. Look, I'm sorry, but that version of yours--I looked at it again and it may look good on the school website, but we can't have it. And while the current version is plain, there really isn't anything factual in your version that is worth saving. Now you have a choice here, boss, doing monk's labor on a Sunday night. You can try to revert again and you'll end up getting blocked, for COI and disruption. Or you can, with the power of the internet and the library at your school, cobble together a real history of the school. There may not be much to that, given that 1995 was yesterday, but surely there's objective, factual things to say. And if you find that information, sources to reliable sources (WP:RS), then John of Idegon will be your biggest supporters and you will have done a really good thing for your school. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

interesting...the basic content of the August 2016 edit wasn't touched until someone vandalized it this weekend.

It happens. There are millions of articles on Wikipedia, we can't watch them all (although we try out best). But now that is has come to our attention we won't let it slip by again. Please note that just because this promotional editing wasn't caught for a long time doesn't make it okay. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:35, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting....please reference stfrancisphoenix.com for staff changes and of course there is still significant unsourced information on the page...not that much is left of it. I'll try to read beyond your sarcasm...thanks.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitty or a shortened version of something else and a fan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Football_Union

Please sign all posts on talk pages with four tildes at the end. That adds your username and a timestamp and it isn't optional. Thank you. There is no staff "changes" that need updating. Per the school's own website, the principal's name is correct, and that is the only person in the school's staff we ever name. I'm not going to waste my time reading random Wikipedia articles you list. If you have any information you can source to a reliable source, please indicate that on the article's talk page. Be sure to identify yourself as the school's principal, write the change exactly as you'd like it to appear (keeping in mind it must conform to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines), and attach reliable sources. With the exception of only the most mundane information, those sources must be academically independent of the school. An encyclopedia is not a place to write about a subject; instead, all an encyclopedia article is is a summary of information paraphrased from (and cited to) what others have written about a given subject. Sorry this situation has been allowed to go on for so long on this article, but as mentioned above, English Wikipedia includes over 5.5 million articles, and it is entirely maintained by a 100% volunteer staff. Things get fixed when someone notices it needs fixing. The vandalism spree caught a diligent editor's eye as he patrolled recent changes. His actions to stop it caught my eye, and I'm the coordinator of the Wikiproject on secondary schools. My actions caught Drmies eye, and he's a site administrator. Many people have a grave misconception of what Wikipedia is, apparently you are (hopefully were) one. As Doc mentioned, you are in a position to effect some positive changes to this article, probably moreso than most. If you want to make positive contributions, I'm certainly glad to help. If you want to continue to harbor your misconceptions, and want to continue thinking that somehow as a representative of the school, what you want to say will be given extra weight, well, Doc told you what will happen then too. Anything further about the content of the article belongs on the article's talk page. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 04:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for seeing the vandalism...you will find that I sent an email earlier this evening to a wiki contact for those purposes....you may see that I was one of the targets in the changes including the username of the malicious one...I actually thought Hickory was the one vandalizing the page then realized he was reverting and fixing. Difficult to know the rules when you update pages that have a variety of unsourced information in them, no malice just info. A parent in my community brought it to my attention.Whittyrfu (talk) 04:54, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at St. Francis Catholic Secondary School. Please stop editing the article. You've made several more additions, sourced to unreliable sources and adding unencyclopedic content. Further, your citations need to be formatted. Instructions to follow. Sources must meet our standard of reliability. See WP:RS. I'll leave you a link to a help forum. Please limit your contributions on the above article to making requests for change on the article's talk page. Everyone here is a volunteer. Cleaning up your errors is becoming a timesink. Perhaps your "Wikipedia contact" can help you with your skillset. Note Wikipedia is a proper noun and should be capitalized, unlike "hockey player", which is common and shouldn't be. Don't you have to pass high school English to become a principal in Ontario? John from Idegon (talk) 05:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would hope your encyclopedic reference to me wasn't meant to leave people wondering. Wiki must have some kind of policy for their editors in adding references in such a fashion...I was attempting to clean up page...my apologies for referencing and any spelling errors. As I was in reviewing vandalism. Thanks for the info.Whittyrfu (talk) 05:13, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Whittyrfu. As others have pointed out, you have a conflict of interest when it comes to the article about the school. Being principal does not mean you can never ever edit the article, but it does mean that you're going to be expected to do so in accordance with WP:COI. My suggestion to you would be to avoid any edits which don't clearly fall under what is considered acceptable per WP:COIADVICE. So, if you notice any clear vandalism to the article (be aware that WP:VANDAL is how Wikipedia defines the term), then you can go ahead and be WP:BOLD and remove it. Just make sure to leave a clearly worded edit sum explaining why. You should also consider leaving an article talk page post as well if you feel you need to provide more specific details. If you do this, then other editors are going to be more likely to assume good-faith and not mistakenly assume your that you're WP:NOTHERE. For any edits which dmight be borderline per COIADVICE, you probably should be WP:CAUTIOUS and follow WP:PSCOI#Steps for engagement instead. One last thing, one thing you should really not do is to re-add content like you did here after the same content was removed by another editor. Doing such a thing, especially when you don't leave an edit sum explaining why, is one of the quickest and easiest ways for edit warring to happen. When you add content which is subesequently removed, you should (unless the removal is a case of obvious vandalism) follow WP:BRD and try to establish a consensus on the article talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the content and referenced it appropriately (please see articles referencing notable grads) The reference to the people being notable exist within the article...I am just attempting to follow your guidelines....the reference beside my name by a wiki editor I don't see as being provided in good faith.Whittyrfu (talk) 05:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You re-added content which had been removed by another editor about ten minutes earlier with an edit sum stating, "Details about alumni are not encyclopedic content. you know nothing more about the school by knowing where one alumni us going to school." You might disagree with the removal, but it wasn't vandalism; so, when then happens, you're going to be expected to engage in discussion on the article's talk page, not just re-add the same content. This is especially important because you have a COI with respect to the school.

As for the source I added for your name, I did add it in good-faith; it was not added to disparage you or the school. Wikipedia article content is expected to be supported by citations to published reliable sources, preferably sources which are secondary and independent. I am assuming that Niagara This Week is a local newspaper/website covering things in that area. Wikipedia doesn't discount simply sources because the coverage may be a bit negative, and NTW appears to be used as a reliable source for other Wikipedia articles [1]. You specifically mentioned by name in the article, and that's why I added it. If you feel it's inappropriate in some way, then please explain on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse![edit]

Hello! Whittyrfu, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! John from Idegon (talk) 05:09, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Adding references can be easy[edit]

Hello! Here's how to add references from reliable sources for the content you add to Wikipedia. This helps maintain the Wikipedia policy of verifiability.

Adding well formatted references is actually quite easy:

While editing any article or a wikipage, on the top of the edit window you will see a toolbar which says "Cite". Click on it.
Then click on "Templates".
Choose the most appropriate template and fill in as many details as you can. This will add a well formatted reference that is helpful in case the web URL (or "website link") becomes inactive in the future.
Click on Preview when you're done filling out the 'Cite (web/news/book/journal)' to make sure that the reference is correct.
Click on Insert to insert the reference into your editing window content.
Click on Show preview to Preview all your editing changes.

Before clicking on Publish changes, check that a References header ==References== is near the end of the article.
And check that {{Reflist}} is directly underneath that header.

7. Click on Publish changes. ...and you've just added a complete reference to a Wikipedia article.

You can read more about this on Help:Edit toolbar or see this video File:RefTools.ogv.
Hope this helps, --John from Idegon (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To use this message, place {{subst:User:Shearonink/ref}} on User:talk pages when needed.

John from Idegon (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]