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Thank you, Erik! (although this was a rather short article) Vanasan (talk) 22:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC) Hello, Vanasan,

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Thank you for pointing this out, I believe you are correct. Vanasan (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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Abel Seyler

Hallo Vanason, I would like to know more about Seyler and his business in in the mint of Rethwisch around 1761-1763. You wrote:

Mary Lindemann argues,

[An] important case against several business partners reached the Imperial Cameral Tribunal (Reichskammergericht) in 1765. It offers an excellent perspective on "deceitful schemes" and especially on the bill-jobbing of two companies: Müller & Seyler and Seyler & Tillemann. Although the voices presented here are those of their creditors, the documents nonetheless reveal how contemporaries viewed the business practices of "malicious bankrupts" and how these practices assumed particularly baleful shapes in their minds. The creditors’ lawyers laid out the background to the case in considerable detail.

Does she give references? I would like to know where I can find it. I checked the Reichskammergericht, but was not able to find anything substantial? Kind regards.Taksen (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't have this book available in its entirety, but it's partially available in preview in Google Books (it's also available through SpringerLink[1]). I've also found an entry in the Archivportal database related to Seyler & Tillemann's bankruptcy. [2] I'm not sure whether the court case mentioned Rethwisch specifically. On the bankruptcy Lindemann writes (p 177)[3]:

"When the Amsterdam house of De Neufville collapsed, so, too, tumbled Seyler & Tillemann. The common cause of the bankruptcies, from the giant De Neufville to less-famed partnerships like Seyler & Tillemann, lay, it was argued, in "an exaggerated trade in bills of exchange, in bill-jobbing, and—particularly—in the criminal "windy trade" that [such like] Seyler & Tillemann had engaged in." The "wind trade" of these years—and the bankruptcies that resulted—shook the major commercial centers to the core, "and many a capitalist who sought to profit from the high discount rate and who changed his money into paper, was plucked bare"" (the references aren't visible in Google Books)

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Christian Lange notes here (p 325)[4]: "Schon am 11. März 1761 wurde in Hamburg zwischen den holstein-plönschen Justizrat Wolff Friedrich Schröder im Auftrage des Herzogs und den hamburgischen Kaufleuten Abel Seyler und Johann Martin Tillemann als Unternehmern ein Vertrag wegen Anlegung der Münze in Rethwisch für 3 Jahre mit einem Ausmünzungsquantum von jährlich 300 000 M. fein in 1, 2, 4, 8 und 16 Groschen abgeschlossen."

It's also mentioned in the book Die Schimmelmanns im atlantischen Dreieckshandel: Gewinn und Gewissen (pp 11–13)[5] --Vanasan (talk) 10:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

The De Neufville mentioned is Leendert Pieter de Neufville. (edit: I just noticed you're already very familiar with him) --Vanasan (talk) 10:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Vanesan, thanks a lot. I did not know the name Chr. Lange. I will try to find a copy of his book. I have seen Degn, who has details on the Wandsbek "Silber-Affinerie" and have to wait for Lindemann till it is available from the library. I am also interested in Johann Georg Eimbke; his case may also contain more details. Are you also active on the German Wikipedia? Regards, Taksen (talk) 01:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm mostly active on the Norwegian and English WPs. I'm not entirely fluent in German, but I sometimes make a few edits on the German WP as well. --Vanasan (talk) 08:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I believe Christian Degn's book Die Schimmelmanns im atlantischen Dreieckshandel includes more details than Lange. From p 11 he writes: Gegen Ende des Jahres 1760 verhandelte er insgeheim mit dem Herzog Friedrich Carl von Plön, einem Duodezfürsten aus der Nebenlinie Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg: Er solle ihm sein Schloß Rethwisch bei Oldesloe pachtweise für die Schaffung einer Münzstätte überlassen! Da Schimmelmann selber sich nicht exponieren wollte, bestimmte er zunächst seinen Agenten Jon. Jac. Loback, als Unternehmer aufzutreten; an dessen Stelle traten dann jedoch die beiden Hamburger Kaufleute Abel Seyler und Johann Martin Tillemann, auch sie eng liiert mit Schimmelmann. Im Laufe von drei Jahren sollten Münzen, z.T. mit dem Brustbild des Herzogs, geprägt werden. Der arme Herzog ging auf das verlockende Angebot ein. Mitten auf dem Schloßplatz wurde der Schmelzofen gebaut. Um Platz für die Göpelwerke und die Maschinenanlagen zu schaffen, wurden, zwei Flügel des Schlosses Schlosses abgebrochen — damit fiel auch die Kirche dem Götzen Mammon zum Opfer. Die Bauleitung hatte der kursächsische Mühlenbaumeister Schramm, der in Schimmelmanns Diensten stand. Doch ehe die Arbeit recht in Gang kam, drohte die ganze Sache zu scheitern. Die dänische Regierung erhob Einspruch, daß im holsteinischen Bereich minderwertige Münzen geprägt würden. Zwar hatte der Herzog das Münzregal. Aber in Kopenhagen berief man sich auf den kürzlich geschlossenen Erbvertrag, nach dem die Plönischen Lande beim Tod des Herzogs dem dänischen König zufallen sollten. Schimmelmann hatte jedoch Glück. Denn gerade eben hatte der Herzog Friedrich von Mecklenburg- Schwerin mit dem Fürstbischof Friedrich August von Lübeck einen Vertrag geschlossen, in dem dieser ihm seine Münzprägestätte in Eutin überließ. Der dänische Außenminister Graf Bernstorff sah das höchst ungern. Er setzte immerhein durch, daß die Münzmeister sich verflichteten, nich die in Holstein gängigen "schweren" Münzen einzuschmelzen. [...]

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Hello Vanasan. As most writers on the subject of debased coins Degn did not completely understand what was happening. He also did not know Schimmelmann was already active in 1758 in Schwerin competing with the mint facilities in Saxony, but he had some interesting details which I used in the article on Heinrich Carl von Schimmelmann. I am blocked from the German Wikipedia since a year. I cannot do anything there, "für ewig"! Can you do me a favor? I would like to contact {{de:Benutzerin:Trinitrix}, because she added most to the article {{de:Münze zu Rethwisch}}. She might like the information and understands better than most people what was going on. Please send her a private message (E-Mail an diese Benutzerin senden) and tell her about my proposed changes which I prepared here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Taksen/sandbox20

Are you sure about being blocked on the German Wikipedia? Your account doesn't appear to be blocked at the moment[6] and there is no block log entry:[7] In any event you should be able to email the user here from the English Wikipedia as accounts are global (User:Trinitrix). --Vanasan (talk) 09:26, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I will ask her directly. I did not understand it either, but an older account was blocked last year, and I think when I used that one to check something, the German Wikipedia knows Taksen has the same IP-address?Taksen (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thanks a lot for the additional info, Taksen! I am in fact interested in monetary development, say, between Lübeck and Kongsberg, and have sponsored a few respective articles incuding the ones on the Altona and the Rethwisch mint in the German WP. Thanks a lot again, --Trinitrix (talk) 13:58, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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