User talk:Uncle G/Archive/2008-01-01

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hi! Blueaster 05:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The User:Carlpeterson spammage

Thanks for putting an end to that mess! Could you close the pending AfD on one of them? DMacks 19:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• I was right in the middle of doing exactly that. Uncle G 19:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks a lot! DMacks 20:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your edit to User talk:Navou

I do appreciate your comments and hope that you will allow me to explain my reasoning. My recommendation was just that, only a recommendation. My recommendation clearly did not reach consensus, so no harm done, right? I stated what "appeared" to be an applicable principle and asked if this could be included into another project instead. I might change my recommendation to keep after seeing some debate, and seeing that I might be wrong about the guiding policy, or about the article.

The nominator stated "I humbly ask that the nomination just be ended now." so I closed the AFD as nom withdrawn and keep. I was the only dissent, and I withdrew my recommendation.

Also your text on my talk page appears a little presumptuous and cross, as I did put a little thought into 'What can I do to improve this article" I came up with nothing. Forgive me if I am mis-interpreting your comment. I am very familiar with the process and policy.

You are however correct about one thing, I did not look at the articles age. I'm human. Please in the future help me to improve rather than use comments like "You clearly did not..." Instead "Did you look for sources or try to expand..." might have come across better. You and I have a common goal, we both want to see Wikipedia succeed. I hold this project in high esteem, as I am sure you do. Just word your stuff different, if possible. ;P Navou ^talk 23:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Bum Fuck, Egypt

Counting Google hits is not research. One has to actually read the things that the search locates.

• And what indication do you have that I didn't? The last listed item should have been a tiny hint. Or is the above your "Google hits" macro that you click on automatically every time you read the word "Google"? --Calton | Talk 02:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I have the very words that you wrote as an indication: "21 hits in Google Books" "24 in Google Blogs". You're counting hits right there, without a mention of what those hits actually are. Uncle G 11:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Svenska in other languages

In Wikipedia:Notability, if you look at the "in other languages" bar, you'll see about 6 links to the sweedish language page that links you here, it began with your edit, I don't know how it got in there, and I don't see any visible code in the source that links to that page. What shall we do? I already made a comment on it on the notability talk page. Thanks RiseRobotRise 08:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• I solved the problem, you can read about it here. RiseRobotRise 08:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • The correct solution, as implemented by another editor, was to edit the actual template to fix the change that was recently made to it. The page itself was not the problem. Uncle G 12:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• • • ah yes, I realized that a few hours later. I was going to replace it with the note or ref tags, but didn't have the time. Anyways, I wasn't able to edit the page seeing hour administrators are the only ones who are allowed to edit that page. Well I'm glad that issue is resolved, and we don't have to worry about that anymore. Thanks RiseRobotRise 00:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Meta's template breaking on en:wikipedia's help-page mirrors.

Hi Uncle_G,

Templates such as m:Template:For & m:Template:tt (from Meta) are broken on the pages that are mirrored at w:Help:Template & w:Help:Advanced_templates and probably at other places too. For instance:

• {{for|call=t2|pc1=2=constant|abc|def|ghi}} incorrectly gives:
  For abc, see def and ghi.

• {{tt|t|efg}} incorrectly gives: {{tt|t|efg}}

Both of the above don't work as they should have on Meta (here & here), since the w:Templates were called instead of the m:Templates. This rendered the mirrored tutorial confusing for readers. And since I learned and tried that cross-namespace template referencing, calling m:Templates from w:, is impossible, I propose placing a "soft-redirect" on the w:Help_xxx pages instead of a mirror copy, what do you think? Any other remedy? Godric/^Talk 16:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again,

Sorry, I later noticed 2 notices on the mirrored pages warning about:

• some template-demos not working on these mirror copies.
• and notifying user not to edit the pages due to the transwiki-overwriting.

So you knew ahead that these 2 scenarios will likely be happening and they did: (editors contributed stuff that will be overwritten next)

• and it also mass-transwikied the "Help: pages" from meta: to wikipedia:. (here)

Then,

• What is the rationale of keeping 2 copies of the same content?
• And given that template-demos do break in the mirrored pages & editors do lose their contributions upon overwriting, then what rationale actually sustains the "rationale of keeping 2 copies of the same content"?
• Finally, would you mind to instruct your bot to do "softredirect" instead of mirror-copying in order to solve the above problems by keeping only 1 page of content in 1 place?

Thanks for your attention,

Godric/^Talk 17:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The system of having the master pages at Meta that are then copied here was created by other editors. I just do the copying from time to time. As for the templates: Go fix the master help pages if the name conflicts concern you. Meta is a wiki, too. Uncle G 17:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your info. Godric/^Talk 18:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for kicking a troll

Thanks for taking care of User:Pontius Ethics and his whiny trolling under the guise of "legal threats." I could have blocked him, but I didn't want to be seen as abusing admin priveleges. Thanks again for your help. --Modemac 14:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Remember when you admonished me to not delete citations?

Now someone is doing this wholesale. I reported it on WP:ANI#71.231.107.188 (talk • contribs). So you see, I can learn  ;-) — Sebastian 02:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Useless, short-term Yahoo News links -- I see no benefit to Wikipedia readers by leaving such deadlinks lying around.

I've switched to flagging, FWIW, but two things: I can't explain the discrepancy with the time stamps, but I did stop as soon as I saw the first 'you've got a new message' banner. Also, many, if not most, were bare URLs like "http://news.yahoo.com/photo/061009/481/9310a1bf28d54264b9ed05f6e2f5d359" which contain absolutely no information future editors could possibly use. I see no benefit to Wikipedia readers or editors by leaving such deadlinks lying around. 71.231.107.188 20:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd also be interested in the answer to the question asked here. 71.231.107.188 20:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Nonetheless, in the edits that I pointed out, they were not URLs like that. Uncle G 20:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Guide

Just read through the linked guide - very helpful! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I need clarification on one point though - in the guide it states that "You must not modify or remove the AFD notice". However, as you said the correct tag should be {{cleanup-rewrite}}, am I permitted to modify the notice in this case? Thanks in advance. Superfurrycannibal 23:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• Just let the discussion process continue to closure in the normal manner. Uncle G 01:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Simple route

Ya, I saw it. I just don't see that much effort in hitting the delete button to get rid of the history, so that some random guy won't revert into that and bring the problem back in 2 months. - Bobet 12:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• You're making a rod for all of our backs. Now we have more editors who think that simple reversion to the prior version of the article, which all of them could have done for themselves, has to go through AFD and requires an administrator to be involved in the process. Uncle G 12:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Boubli

I see you've speedy deleted the above article which is appearing on AfD, is there any chance you can close it for me? Cheers RyanPostlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 13:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

For your great work fixing articles on AfD and your always-rational leadership in AfD discussions, I, CanadianCaesar, award you this barnstar

Deleting the right articles

I agree. That's why I removed one from the AfD batch because it looked plausible. I personally always leave plausible links too even if they were WP:COI violations but not everyone agrees. [1]--BozMo talk 12:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review to change name

Hi, there is a undelete review to change the name of the Anglophone/Analytic article, see:

Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_January_17#Analytic.2FAnglophone_and_Continental_Philosophy

regards, Lucas 17:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

SqueakBox

A few extra eyes ont hat one now, thankfully. I think SB is a decent editor but given to strong opinions. Guy (Help!) 23:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

This is very true (nice essay). I came too close to violating 3RR today in trying to maintain the integrity of articles that SqueakBox and another editor are attempting to derail because they choose to characterize the articles as "racist" and therefore they are automatically PoV violations. I refuse to be dragged into bad editing and refuse to continually be characterized as racist or a defender of racism or a fringe lunatic just because the other person refuses to read correctly or accept what they are reading or discuss a compromise or even acknowledge the basics of what's being discussed. Sorry, Uncle G. I may return to see what the state of the article is later, but for now I have given up on stabilizing or improving the article on the term Brown people. Good luck. ju66l3r 00:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I have run out of patience with this user as they continue to unwarrantedly mischaracterize my efforts (and your's) as "racist", "OR", and "trolling". After a threat of admin action on my talk page and finally another comment on the article talk page that they will crusade against my editing efforts on the article (and your's), I have simply run out of patience. I began a ArbCom enforcement for their "personal attack and unwarranted assumptions of bad faith" parole which is only halfway through. I just felt that you should know since you are somewhat involved. ju66l3r 22:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

And another thing...

		The tireless contributor barnstar
		If there were such a thing as a canonical definition of "tireless contributor", then Uncle G would be that editor. The man who takes "sofixit" and makes it so. Guy (Help!) 23:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Silly, silly monkey

Thanks for the :-) I'd love to be able to put a "Silly Monkey" Graphic into some of those absolutely nonsensical AfD's (especially the massively lame sock puppeteers! Maybe I'll recruit an artistic-type friend to come up with the "Chewbacca Defense Barnstar" for massively lame & long-winded debaters (would look good on some Discussion pages too!!) SkierRMH 09:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice going on paper cup

Thanks for the work. It might be even better if you did a merger with Dixie cup--Wehwalt 20:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Of all the people that understand Wikipedia, you are probably my best resource for my question.

Why are individual video games considered to be "encyclopedic"?

I'm having a bit of trouble, wrapping my Wiktionary brain around that concept. AFAIK, no other encyclopedia has entries like that. Certainly not listed as "Featured Articles" or otherwise advertised as hallmark entries. So, what gives? Is it a concerted troll effort to make Wikipedia look astronomically worthless? (If you can answer my question, of course, then I'll ask the same about Pokemon.)

TIA. --Connel MacKenzie - wikt 09:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

For more, see User:Uncle G/On sources and content, User:Uncle G/On notability, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary.

The question assumes a falsehood as its premise. Individual video games are not necessarily encyclopaedic. Some are. Some are not. Facts about video games belong here if they are verifiable from good sources. Whether a game warrants an individual article in its own right, or merely the inclusion of the verifiable facts within a larger context, is determined by whether it is notable. If there is no verifiable information at all about a video game, then it doesn't belong here, in any form. (Wikipedia isn't a free hosting service for video game authors to publish their documentation on, nor is it a publisher of first instance for documenting games that haven't been documented already.) If there's only ever going to be a single verifiable fact about a video game, then it doesn't warrant an entire article all to itself.

To explain Wikipedia in Wiktionarian terms: Think of Wikipedia as being descriptivist. We aren't here to create or to change human knowledge. We are here to document it as it is. Therefore what belongs here is determined by what the world at large has chosen to document. If you look at Bulbasaur#Notes and references you'll see that the world at large has chosen to document Bulbasaur, on web pages and in books. Therefore it is appropriate for Wikipedia.

Human knowledge is uneven, unfair, and incomplete. Things that one may consider "worthy" are often completely undocumented; and things that one may consider to be "worthless" may be documented in extensive detail. Wikipedia isn't here to right that perceived wrong. (The way to right that wrong is, of course, to persuade the world to write more stuff about the "worthy" subjects, or to pull one's finger out and to write books and articles about the "worthy" stuff onesself. But neither of those involve Wikipedia in any way.)

One further thing that perhaps should be included in any "Wikipedia for Wiktionarians" guide is this: One thing that we can do at Wiktionary but not at Wikipedia is Recognize New Stuff. Wiktionarians can, with enough solid and checkable quotations to hand, demonstrate the widespread use of new words, or of old words in new ways, and adduce and document their meanings. The Wikipedia:No original research policy prevents doing such primary research here at Wikipedia.

This has some bearing on your question. One easy answer to the question "Why does Wikipedia include films/video games/television programmes?" is "Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. It should cover fields that one finds covered in other encyclopaedias. What do you expect to find when you look in an encyclopaedia of films/video games/television programmes?". There is a caveat to that. In some encyclopaedias one will find the results of primary research done by the author of the encyclopedia. Wikipedia can use such research if it has already been done, fact checked, reviewed, and published outside of Wikipedia. But, unlike those books, Wikipedia isn't the place for such primary research to actually be done directly. Uncle G 20:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you. Perhaps I should rephrase my question then. Do you have any idea why the Wikipedia "Featured Articles" often feature items that one would never find in a traditional encyclopedia? Personally, I've never seen a "Gaming Encyclopedia" nor a "Pokemon Encyclopedia", but I'll take your word on it, that such things do exist. (And yes, your explanation above was quite helpful.) --Connel MacKenzie - wikt 21:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • What is a featured article depends in large part from both who is willing to work on it in the first place and what editors decide they wish to feature. Featuring things that paper encyclopaedias would not does have a certain cachet with Wikipedia editors. For details, though, I suggest reading the present and past discussions at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates and talking to those who are heavily involved in the process. I'm more usually working at the opposite end of the article spectrum, where the articles have far to go before reaching featured article status. Uncle G 21:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if our paths have crossed before, but I was directed here by the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). I just wanted to compliment you on your exceptionally clear reply, Uncle G. Perhaps it should be on a policy page somewhere... -- ALoan (Talk) 21:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. I always find Uncle G's explanations to be of the highest quality. Carcharoth 02:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

As a side-note here, encyclopedias can indeed vary greatly in scope, size, format and reliability. Encyclopedia Britannica, Encarta, The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, Encyclopedia Dramatica, Encyclopedia Galactica, Wikipedia, etc. Regarding fictional topics being covered by specialist encyclopedias, I suspect the evolutionary process begins with 'Guides', for example The Complete Guide to Middle-earth, and the online 'Encyclopedia of Arda', and the 'Star Trek Encyclopedia', and various 'Companion...' books. The vast majority of these are in-universe stuff that many don't see as truly encyclopedic (and I would tend to agree). But then you have items like the J. R. R. Tolkien Encyclopedia, which is a collection of scholarly essays and literary criticism. Some bits are truly encyclopedic, and some aren't. But these uses of the term encyclopedia clearly show that you have to define what you mean when you say 'encyclopedic'. Carcharoth 02:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning fi:Wikipedia:Hiekkalaatikko

Could you reset also the Finnish Sandbox by your SANDBOT? Some times vandals remove the header template. {{subst:Hiekka}} resets the sandbox. —Iirolaiho 17:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• I've created the necessary accounts and added this task to the 'bot. The first run should be in just over 1 hour's time. Uncle G 22:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Space warfare in fiction

An editor has nominated Space warfare in fiction, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space warfare in fiction (2nd nomination) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. Jayden54Bot 17:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:BIO

Hey Uncle G, you took out the old "One day's events count as one coverage" back here, and I've been quoting it lately only to see that it's not in the guideline anymore. Is there any reason it shouldn't be? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 23:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• User talk:Uncle G/Archive/2007-01-01#Edit to WP:BIO Uncle G 00:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Ah, I've been quoting it repeatedly in the debate that just started at Wikipedia:Notability (news), and I think things could be helped if that was explicit somewhere. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply

• your edit

Don't edit war over a speedy deletion tag when you are misapplying it. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion carefully and understand the cases that they are addressing. The author's request criterion is there for cases where someone accidentally creates something in the wrong place or that xe shouldn't have created, and requires administrator intervention in order to rectify that mistake. It does not apply to articles which have been edited by at least three different accounts and several IP addresses, and which were not created by mistake. Uncle G 09:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

In case you hadn't noticed, that was 11 hours ago, so I am obviously not going to change it back. Your ex post facto warning is completely worthless. If you had bothered reading the history of this "edit war", you would see that I quote a speedy deletion criterion in an edit summary. You are just repeating what someone else has already said to make your self feel important. John Reaves (talk) 16:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• As I have already explained once, what you wrote in your edit summary did not apply, as you would have seen from looking at the article's edit history. Once again: Please read our criteria for speedy deletion carefully and understand the cases that they are addressing. Uncle G 17:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Just find something better to do than issue needless warnings hours too late. (Also, any replies should go on my talk page since that where you started this.) John Reaves (talk) 20:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
    • There clearly is a need to point you in the direction of our speedy deletion criteria. You tagged an article under a criterion that didn't apply to it. When you have read our criteria for speedy deletion carefully, please then read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Technical and format standards to learn that there are other ways of writing conversations on talk pages that differ from the disjointed one that you yourself favour. Uncle G 20:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
      • I'm not going to reread those pages. As you clearly haven't seen, I didn't add it, I reverted it. I see that you haven't "warned" the original tagger. I know that that some people people prefer annoying conversations that involve watchlisting, I don't. Most people have what's known as common courtesy and will abide by other users wishes. Let me direct you to m:Don't be a dick. John Reaves (talk) 21:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
        • That you added the tag to the article after Shyam Bihari pointed out that the criterion didn't apply is exactly why I pointed you at our criteria for speedy deletion. It was you that erroneously disputed the quite correct removal of the tag, not anyone else. It is you, and not anyone else, that thus needs to be pointed in the direction of the speedy deletion criteria and told what that criterion is actually for. For the third time: Please read our criteria for speedy deletion carefully and understand the cases that they are addressing.

          By the way: Talking about common courtesy whilst at the same time calling other editors "self important" and "dicks" is almost as ironic as talking about abiding by other users' wishes whilst at the same time telling other editors to employ one's own style of conversation, contrary to those other editors' expressed wishes. Uncle G 22:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I suppose that now that it has been established just how full of yourself you are, I will try to ignore you and your blind faith in policy. John Reaves (talk) 00:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I was jerk. I'm really sorry about this exchange. I have no idea why I was so argumentative. Once again, sorry. John Reaves (talk) 09:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

O, not ability again...

Draft revision, based on your version and lengthy recent discussions at WT:N:

User:Trialsanderrors/On_notability

Would be nice if you can give it a look. ~ trialsanderrors 06:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Chip-india

I saw you weigh in on the redirect revert war occuring in the above captioned article. The block, I think, is a good idea until someone can prove the magazines merged or assimilated. However, the block will only effect one of the users making changes. The other, User:Wikiga, will not be effected. Is my understanding correct? --Silverhand^Talk 17:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• I considered this when choosing semi-protection over full protection. It depends from how new the account is. In any event, I suggest that you make further efforts to engage Wikiga (talk · contribs) in discussion, without using boilerplate messages. I also suggest that you open discussions on the respective articles' talk pages. Uncle G 17:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes sir, I understand. Thank you for your time! --Silverhand^Talk 17:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
    • No worries. Uncle G 17:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Hmm, this may become a moot point --Silverhand^Talk 17:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For your incredible work in creating, writing, and sourcing the new Space warfare in fiction page, I, S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 , hereby award you this Original Barnstar. Keep up the good work! --S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 06:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It was meant in part to be an example of how to go about writing such articles properly. All of the content that I wrote was based upon secondary source analyses of science fiction that had been already written and published by a science fiction critic, historian, or writer. Take heed. There's a lesson to be learned from how different Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space warfare in fiction is to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space warfare in fiction (2nd nomination). There's also a lesson to be learned from the stark contrast between the sources that you cited and the sources that I cited. Doing our own analyses of science fiction writing (or, indeed, any fiction writing) is, per the Wikipedia:No original research policy, not what Wikipedia is for. We don't write our own analyses and then cite the work of fiction itself as the source. But we can cover topics that critics and historians of such fiction have already analysed, and written about in "history of science fiction" books (and so forth), as long as we stick to their analyses and don't introduce our own. I suggest that you go and hunt up some books about the history of science fiction on television and in the cinema, and modify your content so that it is based solidly upon their analyses of fictional space warefare on television and in the cinema; and remove anything that is your own analysis that you have made and based directly on the contents of a television programme or film. Uncle G 22:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

PMs on Wiki

I call them PMs for lack of a better term. I know there are no PMs on Wiki, but when I am typing, I put down PMs and people seem to know what I am talking about. I could but "message on my talk page", but "PM" takes up less room:). - SVRTVDude ^{(Yell - Work)} 23:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Restoration

As a fairly new user of Wikipedia, I would like to know why the Spider's Web redirect page was replaced. This is so I can understand why this happened and whether I should leave it alone for once and for all. Totalinarian 19:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC) PS. I have put it up for deletion again; please use the link in this section to add your opinions or remove it if you wish.

• Please read Wikipedia:Redirect#What do we use redirects for? and then the first sentence of spider web. Uncle G 19:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
• Okay. Thanks for the response. Totalinarian 16:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiBooks: Catullus

Thank you for pointing that out. I have gone back and learnt the code now, so in future all the vocab lists will be tagged to WikTionary.

Here is a sample:

[2] Catullus 70

I feel however that the vocab lists should remain in the poems, because of the unclear usage of some words - so as to provide a more-rounded understanding of the text, by giving more suggestions. And I have no qualms about writing it out either. It's nice to see that my work is being appreciated. :D Alakazam138 13:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I see what you mean. There are times when the vocab and the meaning can interlink - the vocab could mean one thing and the text could mean another. For example the word flamma usually means flame, and that much would be obvious to any reader. Of course in romantic poetry there isnt much talk of physical flame, and so it has come to mean tingle, passion, desire and so on. I will however start finding some model WikTionary articles on Latin entries, and copy their style when inputting the vocab. That way, any further information, solely on the language will be available, with the literary connotations in the appropriate WikiBooks passage. If you have any further suggestions, on how I could improve, feel free to ask - your user page indicates that you have a lot of know-how about many different aspects of the Wiki- label. Alakazam138 14:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I have replied to your comment

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lurker Jerry lavoie 19:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)

Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)

It has been proposed that the following criteria be removed from this guideline: 1. The commercial organization is listed on ranking indices of important companies produced by well-known and independent publications.3 2. The commercial organization's share price is used to calculate one or more of the major managed stock market indices.4 Note this is not the same as simply being listed on a stock market. Nor is it the same as being included in an index that comprises the entire market. The broader or the more specialized the index, the less notability it establishes for the company.

We are close to evaluating consensus, please join with us in the discussion. --Kevin Murray 04:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Brown people

There is a new discussion on whether this article has an unencyclopedic nature that I would like to hear your opinion on. Thanks. ju66l3r 22:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Uncle G's 'bot

Hi, I do some editing on wikipedia an also on [The Student Room Wiki. We currently have a large number of revision notes pages over there which we want to change the name of from 'Revision Notes:Graphs' to 'Revision:Graphs' to make better use of searching in name spaces. We probably have between 1000 and 1500 pages which need moving like this. I'm lead to believe the above named bot is capable of moving pages. Would you be able to help us in nay way? I've no idea how bots work, but being able to get something to help us out would be a massive help and make the revision notes much more user friendly for the students. Sorry to bother you if you are unable to help :-) Evil Eye 19:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

• Do you have a list of those 1500 pages on that wiki, or is it to be simply all pages that begin with "Revision Notes:"? Uncle G 22:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
  • It is every page whos name begins 'Revision Notes:' All will be in at least one of the subcategories of the Revision Notes category. Evil Eye 12:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Brian Peppers

Since I dislike editing archived discussions, I'll respond here. Yes, administrators should coordinate and decide what to do to avoid a wheel war. However (and maybe I was misinterpreting here), it was looking like several admins were supporting the idea that the article should simply be kept deleted. Had this continued and then been implemented, it would have gone beyond admins discussing how they use the tools, and on to them making deletion decisions without consulting the community (if you follow me). In short, I feel admin discussions should have focused on how to handle a wider debate, and not gone into the merits (or otherwise) of the article. Regards. Trebor 23:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Catullus

Getting on nicely with the Catullus... plodding along you know. A question I have:

Is there anyway to 'advertise' for helpers in a particular project? Whilst I enjoy doing it, I have been working solo for the past 2 weeks. There's a lot that needs to be done to get it to a finished WikiBook standard. Thanks in advance. Alakazam138 17:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

• I've already posted one notice on the Wiktionary:Beer Parlour calling for any lexicographers who like Latin to swing by and help. You might like to add to it. Perhaps a notice on Talk:Catullus as well would help. Uncle G 18:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Notability

Fair play, you may have given it prominence in November 2006, but I added the fact that it existed across most guidelines in September 2006.[3] I just didn't give it a section header or make it prominent. Deliberately. Steve block Talk webcomic warrior 19:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Along these same lines, I'd love to get your input on the proposed changes. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

removal of prods

I see you replaced the prods with original research tags. The reason I put these prod tags on is because the articles are not capable of not being original research-- ie, they are unencyclopedic. Could you discuss at the talk pages why you disagree? Thanks, --Urthogie 04:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

"What links here" counter

Hello Uncle G, I was wondering if you were aware of any tool that allows one to get a relatively quick count of the number of "What links here" links a given page has? Thanks in advance for a response. (→Netscott) 05:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

• I've never encountered one. You could ask one of the people with Toolserver accounts to write one. Uncle G 10:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
  • If it's a remotely reasonable number, copy the URL of the 500 link of the Whatlinkshere page, change the limit to 5000 (the maximum that MediaWiki will accept), yielding a url similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/User_talk:Uncle_G&limit=5000&from=0. Paste the result into a text editor like emacs that displays line number and trim away the header and footer. (If the number isn't remotely reasonable, you can play around with the from= parameter.)

    Failing that, my bot has a function that fetches a list of all pages in a given page's whatlinkshere list that I suppose I could split out and clean up. I don't recall offhand how independent it is from the rest of the script, but it shouldn't be terribly difficult to turn it into a stand-alone. —Cryptic 11:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Narnia

It's stubby, but you certainly have got a point. Seeing as the reasoning isn't valid any longer, feel free to undo my redirect. If anyone asks, you can point them to this post. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

request for help explaining the difference between a redirect and a deletion

Good evening, Uncle G. I am having a terrible time explaining to a user that turning a page into a redirect is not the same as a deletion, that redirects to not require AFD decisions and that AFD decisions do not preclude the possibility of turning a page into a redirect in the future. Could I impose on you to perhaps see if you can explain the issue better? I can't seem to get the point across clearly. The conversation is at Talk:Bee's knees. Thanks in advance. Rossami (talk) 01:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• Xe hasn't replied to you, yet. I'm going to hold off to see what xyr reply, if any, is, first. I have already discussed this article with that very same editor in the AFD discussion, note. Uncle G 14:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability

Hi Uncle G. You added the statement "Notable here is used in its adjectival sense of "worthy of being noted" to WP:N.[4] In my view, this is the best characterization of Wikipedia:Notability. However, I think it may help to clarify that statement even further. Some Wikipedia editors may read that statement and think the issue is whether the topic is worthy of being noted in Wikipedia. However, the issues is whether the source material thinks the topic is worthy of being noted in thier publications. Wikipedia editor's involvement is to determine whether the collective source material has demonstrates that the topic has been noted to the point where the collective source material demonstrates that the topic is worthy for their collective publications. If the collective source material demonstrates that the topic is worthy for their collective publications, then Wikipedia consensus should be that the source material the topic is worthy to be in Wikipedia. Thoughts? -- Jreferee 23:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Lists of palindromic phrases

Could I bother you to take a look at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 25#Lists of palindromes? My experience with Wiktionary is sparse and out of date, and a better-informed opinion of whether these should be transwikied would be welcome. —Cryptic 12:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

LOL

• Talk:LOL (Internet slang)

Didn't agree with you about this one. sorry.DGG 00:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• There's no need to apologize for disagreeing. I was seeking a legitmate third opinion from an uninvolved editor, not a rubber stamp for my own arguments. ☺ Uncle G 15:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Notability guidelines

There's another one of those discussions about deprecating the term "notability", at Wikipedia talk:Notability/overview. I thought you might want to know. >Radiant< 09:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For bringing exceptional rationality and clarity of thought to often irrational debates, I award Uncle G the Barnstar of Diligence. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 11:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Change at People

I ask that you revert your last change at People since it that is now inconsistent with the current version of WP:N. I think that the subordinate critera should include a template with common restatement of the Primary Criterion if it needs to be restated at all, but that's a topic for another day. I support your right to disagree as long as consitency is maintained among the permutations from WP:N. Thanks. --Kevin Murray 23:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• The current version of Wikipedia:Notability is another of your changes, and is just as wrong as your change to WP:BIO was. It has been already explained to you why it is wrong on the talk page. I've held off reverting your change there because the page is protected. Uncle G 23:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 22:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)^{talk to me}

Wikipedia:Availability

I'm creating this as a proposal to clean things up with all the misunderstandings that surround notability as applied in wikipedia, and figured since you wrote one of the great tomes on the topic you might want to weigh in. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 14:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Replacing WP:N

Since you were one of the inspirations for the page, I figured I should let you know personally that I'm working on a replacement page that's getting some decent discussion at Wikipedia:Article inclusion. Take a look at that and the discussion here and provide any input you're capable of. Thanks! --badlydrawnjeff talk 15:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Speedy criteria

Thanks for picking me up on that. Always pleased to improve my policy knowledge - hadn't noticed that before (not that I often spot repost material). I've amended my tag to A7. --Dweller 17:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Problem with m:Help:Transwiki

Hi, I'm mentioning this to you as you have some experience with this subject. The m:Help:Transwiki page appears to be rather broken. The example given at the bottom of the page, as to how to transwiki from the english to the french wikipedia, no longer would work. This is because the French wikipedia, as well as, from what I can tell, all the other non-english wikipedias, no longer appears to use a transwiki log. If it does, I can't find it, even by using google's translation feature (I don't speak any other languages). Looking for Transwiki in the german, spanish, etc. wikipedias yields nothing. The french wikipedia has Transwiki linking to fr:Special:Log/Import, where of course nothing can be entered. If transwikiing is to be done between wikipedias of different languages, what is to be the procedure now? --Xyzzyplugh 07:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Contributions

		The Original Barnstar
		In recognition of your massive contributions to numerous Wikimedia projects, and in particular for completely rewriting Newspaper riddle, ... have a barnstar. Many thanks, Black Falcon 08:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Micropolitan areas.

Thanks for the tip. I checked for incoming redirects, and Pottsville, PA μSA did not have an incoming from Table of United States Micropolitan Statistical Areas -- turns out the table links directly to Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania. But thanks again. NawlinWiki 21:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Flynn

Thanks for catching my over-zelous db-attack tag.  :) In the back of my mind I was thinking of the character from Tron. Just not in the front of my mind. Cheers! --EarthPerson 18:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• No worries. ☺ Uncle G 18:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Biting newbies

Hmm, clearly we disagree over what constitutes a good faith attempt to improve an article - the article as it stood struck me (and still strikes me) as empty of useful content and the change designed purely to avoid an appropriate speedy delete. It could possibly have been speedied for that very reason - I reverted it instead simply because it was quicker and neater and there was no sign that the article was going to grow to anything beyond an essentially empty entry (as it has, in fact, turned out). In any case, it hardly counts as biting the newbies, I'd have said, and I was under the impression that that non-removal of a speedy by the author is, in fact, a firm policy (although, of course, so is ignore_all_rules:). However, thanks for providing your POV on the issue which I'll genuinely bear in mind. All the best StuartDouglas 19:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• "the change designed purely to avoid an appropriate speedy delete" — You're not assuming good faith as well as biting the newbies. As for your statement that "there was no sign that the article was going to grow to anything beyond an essentially empty entry (as it has, in fact, turned out)": You can hardly use that as justification, since it it is probable that it was the biting itself that has caused the entry to develop no further. Think of things from Hrishikes's point of view. Xyr first attempt to start the article is hit with a deletion tag in under a minute. Hrishikes is clearly an editor who hasn't yet learned the use of "Show Preview", and can have gaps of tens of minutes between edits. Given that, it's possible that this was to be the first edit of a long series of edits. When xe improves the article a few minutes later, adding some actual content, xyr edit is reverted a minute later with an edit summary that, essentially, chastises xem not to do that and all of xyr content is removed from the article. A little later, the article is deleted entirely. It's not that surprising that xyr contributions have ceased, and the hypothesis that the biting put xem off improving the article is just as likely as your hypothesis that xe didn't intend to improve the article. Uncle G 20:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• Fair points, all - and you're certainly right that I did forget to assume good faith. As I said, I will genuinely bear what you said in mind and will try not to be so overly-zealous in reverting and speedying RCs from newbies (I'm essentially a newbie myself after all). Regards StuartDouglas 20:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Protected titles/March 2007/List

Hello! If you add a title to WP:PT before performing the deletion, the page with cascading protection enabled (in this case, Wikipedia:Protected titles/March 2007) must have its cache purged before the protection will take effect. —David Levy 20:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• Wouldn't you know it? That was the one page where I hadn't tried "action=purge". ☺ Uncle G 20:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

March 17, 2007 Informal Request For Wikipedia Administrative Resolution: Request For A Stand-Alone 'Scientific communities of practice' Wikipedia Site.

Since the owner of the 'Communities of Practice' site has summarily removed the 'scientific communities of practice' contribution today (without comment or negotiation), a separate stand-alone 'Scientific communities of practice' (shown below) entry is offered to avoid site warring, while still giving voice to a large and growing body of scientific research: Notable citations in the field of 'scientific communities of practice' include the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, to academic institutions around the world. (Notability simply cannot be cited as a concern with this scientific field).

As the scientific readership of Wikipedia grows, the need to address their scientific interests must grow also. Moreover, there are a growing number of consumers who would like to understand 'the science' of many of the central issues of our time: 'Scientific communities of practice' is one of those issues.

We are asking for an expedited approval of the 'Scientific communities of practice' entry in exchange for removing this topic from all other Wikipedia sites. We would appreciate your expedited approval of this request, and we would welcome any editorial contributions that would strengthen the encyclopedic knowledge that this entry affords to Wikipedia readers.

Sincerely, Stevenson-Perez 01:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)stevenson-perezStevenson-Perez 01:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scientific communities of practice As revealed in the 2003 Snyder & Souza-Briggs “Communities of Practice” research publication (1), all communities of practice (CoPs) represent the informal levels of human interaction that steward the knowledge-assets of organizations and societies.

Scientific CoPs are no exception in this regard.

The detailed scientific analysis of the unique applications of knowledge assets that take place within scientific communities of practice has become an area of intense research in recent years; particularly as many western nations begin to transition into Science and Technology Information Age economies. As Coakes and Clark make clear in their latest 2006 communities of practice research (“Communities of Practice In Information & Knowledge Management” 2), the proper application of knowledge assets by pertinent communities of practice has suddenly become a central business concern of many modern societies.

Said another way, the specific approaches utilized by scientific CoPs in the development and the application of their scientific knowledge assets is rapidly becoming the new economic engine of many former industry-based nations, as they transition into Science-Based Societies.

Obviously, ‘what really works’ in the operation of scientific CoPs, and ‘what doesn’t work’ -- as scientific organizations and scientific societies attempt to create and manage new scientific knowledge -- is a topic that demands rigorous scientific investigation.

The most immediately distinguishing factor about scientific communities of practice, is that all scientific CoPs are unified, and readily distinguishable from all other CoPs, by their strict adherence to the use of the scientific method in the day-to-day operations that create and manage scientific knowledge:

1. By definition, all scientific CoPs develop and steward scientific knowledge-assets; after all, the Latin root for ‘science’ means ‘having knowledge’. All scientific organizations within the scientific community are knowledge management organizations.

2. Almost without exception, scientific CoPs also steward the learning-assets of their organizations: Again, by definition, all succesful scientific research organizations must possess a vibrant CoP learning-asset dimension. All scientific research organizations engage in a disciplined refinement of scientific data to new scientific information to new scientific knowledge, as they engage in scientific organizational learning.

3. In addition, scientific CoPs almost universally steward suffering-abatement-assets that are used daily by the organization. As an example, consider the stated mission of the U.S. Food & Drug Administration to ensure the safety & efficacy of all American drug products & medical devices: All legally authorized medical organizations in the U.S. (and in most western nations) have a counter-part scientific CoP dimension to respond to this federal mandate. Other examples of where this 'greater-good responsibility' CoP principle is applied include in the operation of all nuclear energy research facilities, aircraft manufacturers, and nanomolecule design organizations, that have similar responsiblities to promote the safety and quality of life of citizens worldwide.

Several academic groups worldwide have begun to address the challenge of improving those scientific CoPs that have global dimensions, or that require significant digital and computer network support ( 3 ).

Kienle & Wessner offered their Computer-Supported Collaborative Learning model to measure the actual performance of scientific CoPs in Germany. ( 4 ).

Scientific CoPs in most Western nations, such as the United States, also demonstrate three additional characteristics in their operation that are remarkable:

1. Ever since the release of the Snyder and Souza-Briggs Community-of-Practice research (and their articulation of the landmark CoP definition, as cited above) scientists now understand that their scientific CoPs are always operating (24/7). All grant-funded science in the U.S., especially government-supported clinical medicine organizations, always operates in a scientific CoP setting.

2. Scientific CoPs operate principally at the informal organizational level, not at the formal, legal, or the administrative levels of organizational structure. The human interactions that steward the knowledge-assets, the learning-assets and the suffering-abatement assets of scientific CoPs can usually not be located in the organizational “org-chart” of formal roles and responsibilities, but rather at the informal level of professional interactions for ‘how things really get done’ in the scientific organization.

3. The quality of the knowledge-assets, learning-assets, and suffering-abatement assets of any given scientific CoP can be measured scientifically. The U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has acknowledged the importance of precisely measuring the quality of all performance elements of scientific learning organizations -- especially at the informal operational level -- in such initiatives as its NIST Baldrige National Quality Program Health Care Criteria (5).

The U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) has also recently acknowledged the validity of the scientific communities of practice approach to measuring the 'value' of NIH-sponsored scientific research, with the launching of the new NIH Office of Behavioral & Social Science Research (please refer to the NIH "Healthier Lives Through Behavioral & Social Sciences Research" Report {[6]}). The specific intent of this new NIH program is to require a scientific analysis of the quality of biomedical research, beyond the levels of the purity and functionality of the material discoveries, to include the intended impact of these biomedical inventions upon the affected communities of practice (even at a global level).

Many credible elements of the American academic community are now insisting upon an early educational exposure of students to basic scientific communities of practice principles. Examples of ongoing research in this promising area of early childhood education in scientific CoP principles include Northwestern University’s “Bootstrapping a Community of Practice: Learning Science by Doing Projects in a High School Classroom Program” [7].

The U.S. National Academy of Science has recently become even more strident in this regard, insisting that the scientific community must actively pursue the creation of more-useful & more-comprehensive communities of practice in science & technology -- on a global scale [8]. The National Academy of Science has anchored the success of its 'scientific sustainability' program to the quality of the scientific communities of practice that it sponsors [9].

It should be pointed out, that scientific CoP research is still in its infancy. Much more precision & clarity about 'what scientific CoPs are' and 'how scientific CoPs operate best' can be anticipated in the years to come.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Scientific_Community_of_Practice"

those improper speedy delete tags

Thanks for catching the improper speedy delete tags I left on a couple of pages. I remain confused about the usefulness of a talk page that is not paired with an article page, though. Did the article get moved and the talk get redirected? (That seems non-standard ... Maybe the "orphan" talk could be a subpage to the destination's talk instead?) The following each give a "red" article" and a "blue" discussion. Please clarify what is happening here. Thanks! --Keesiewonder ^talk 10:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_scientists_who_dispute_the_anthropogenic_global_warming_theory&redirect=no http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientists_questioning_the_UN_IPCC_assessment_of_global_warming&redirect=no

• Article talk pages that aren't paired with article pages are kept if they contain archived deletion discussions. (This is because prior to 2005, deletion discussions were regularly archived on talk pages.) Otherwise speedy deletion criterion #G8 applies. However, the article talk pages that you tagged did have corresponding articles.

  Notice that when one renames an article, one has the option to rename the talk page along with it. That is the most common way that talk pages become redirects. That the article and the talk page are redirects doesn't make the talk page speedily deletable, however. After all, the talk page is there for editorial discussion of whether the article should actually be a redirect and what it should redirect to, for starters. Criterion #G8 only applies to non-existent articles. Redirection is not deletion.

  The two talk pages that you list above are redirects left behind after both an article and a talk page were moved together, and the resultant redirect in the article namespace was later deleted but the talk page was not. Uncle G 10:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• Okay; no worries! Thanks for your reply. I'm just trying to understand. It seems as though edits have been made since I brought this up such that the specific pages I mentioned are now working as I originally expected. i.e. I can no longer get to a talk page w/o an article with the exact (not a redirected) name. --Keesiewonder ^talk 11:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Emily

I clarified the reason why I tagged it with {{dicdef}}. Just wondering if I could get your comment at Talk:Emily. Thanks, Pan Dan 13:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox bot on en-Wikisource

Hello Uncle G. Your bot recently started resetting the en-Wikisource sandbox, but the format has changed since it stopped a few months ago. Please update it to use revision 325247:

{{/Please do not edit this line}}

{{sandbox}}

Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:41:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• Done. It should take effect with the next run. Uncle G 11:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Straphanger

Hello Uncle G. I'm of the view that Straphanger is a dicdef and belongs on Wiktionary. Am I mistaken? Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• Wiktionary could certainly do with wikt:straphanger, and the quotations are useful for a dictionary article (They demonstrate the word being used in the 19th century.) and irrelevant to an encyclopaedia article (They don't actually tell us anything at all about straphangers, not even what they are.), so some of this content would certainly be useful. The main question is whether there is scope for having an encyclopaedia article about straphangers. For that, I strongly suggest looking for sources, to see whether anyone has discussed either subway or military straphangers in published works. If sources do not exist, then all that would exist here is overlapping redirects to the actual articles for which this is a colloquial name, and hence what we actually have is a disambiguation article (between parachutist, subway passenger, and others) that has too much dictionary article content mixed in.

  Have a look for sources. Uncle G 12:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Bot

Hi, I noticed that you run a sandbot in Finnish Wikipedia. There is no need to reset this talk page, just sandbox. :) Regards --Uusitunnus 14:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• On most projects, both the sandbox and its talk page are reset. Uncle G 14:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I know, but there is actual talk about sandbox. Well, it does't really matter. Just saying because seems like someone reverted it every time. --Uusitunnus 15:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
    • It would be nice if the bot doesn't reset talk page. Can you do this for now on? --Uusitunnus 11:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Done. It should take effect with the next 'bot run. Uncle G 13:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Thanks. --Uusitunnus 22:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Tiberium

With all due respect, I would like to tell you that your examples on editing the article are nonsense. You didn't find any sources about Tiberium. You found obvious facts to cite like "without Tiberium you lose". In contrast, the information purged from the article was cited to sources that anyone can confirm. I guess Tycho was right about Wikipedia. See you when the page gets unprotected, and people who have expertise on the subject of Tiberium fix it, and AMiB purges it again. You realize he's been blocked for 3RR over this behavior previously, right? Scumbag 15:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• It can be easily seen that the sources do discuss Tiberium, by reading what they say. As explained to you several times over the past fortnight by several editors, the information that was removed was a novel analysis and conclusion based upon playing the game, and cited playing the game itself as its source ("Source: C&C1", for example). That, from what you write here, you clearly want to continue to edit war over original research, rather than follow the example of making some effort to find sources and writing proper encyclopaedia article content based upon sources, increases my previously expressed disappointment. Please learn how to be a good encyclopaedist, that follows our Wikipedia:Attribution content policy. Uncle G 15:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Er, did I basically fuck everyhting up when responding to this, or do you not want to discuss it? Scumbag 16:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
    • The former. Uncle G 16:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Sorry about that. Anyways, there are articles which discuss Tiberium. However, none of them discuss where it came from, how it spreads, what it does to the local area, and what beings are evolved from, etc. You know, all the important things about Tiberium that inspired people to write about it for 4 years or so. Secondly, I take offense to the notion that I wanted to have the edit war continue - I was the one who brought it to the attention of the admins in the first place! All I want is an article that does justice to the subject in question, and AMiB's purging prohibited that. Protecting the article doesn't do it either. What does give the article justice, however, is to allow editors to use sources that are authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. Scumbag 17:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
        • ... which you aren't doing, haven't been doing, and don't intend to do. Yes, you clearly are simply waiting to start up the edit war and reinsert original research again: "See you when the page gets unprotected, and people who have expertise on the subject of Tiberium fix it", "When will the page in question be unprotected? The minute it is, it will be restored to proper status." You are not using sources, but on the contrary are saying that "popping in the CD" and playing the game is the way for readers to check the article. Scottie theNerd, for one, has explained to you twice, at length, why this is original research. Readers are not expected to have to perform the primary research of playing a game and forming their own conclusions from raw data in order to verify articles. If no-one has sat down and documented the things that you want to document about this material, it is incorrect to create that documentation firsthand in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a tertiary source and is not for documenting the undocumented. The correct way to write an article, that conforms to our content policies, is to use sources.

          As I said before, you only have your own lack of proper action, and your insistence upon edit warring instead of doing what you as an encyclopaedist are supposed to be doing, to blame for the article as it stands, and not anyone else. What you write above is yet another case in point. Even though I've showed you by example how to grow the encyclopaedia article properly, you are here yet again trying to defend original research, instead of finding, citing, and using sources which is what you should be doing. I know that you aren't looking for sources because you write above that "none of them discuss where it came from, how it spreads, what it does to the local area, and what beings are evolved from". I found three sources providing analysis of the game that discussed Tiberium's back-story (and EA's reimagining of the idea), here, here, and here with about 20 minutes' effort. The so-called "people who have expertise on the subject of Tiberium" shouldn't need to put in even as much time as I in order to find sources. That you haven't found such sources in the past two weeks, or even within the past day, leads to the conclusion that you aren't making any effort in that direction at all. You aren't using sources; you aren't avoiding original research; you aren't even looking for sources; and you are stating your willingness to simply take up the edit war to reinsert original research exactly where you left off, once protection is lifted.

          Once again, please start doing what encyclopaedists are supposed to do: find, cite, and use sources, and follow our Wikipedia:Attribution content policy. Uncle G 18:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

          • I don't much see any assumptions of good faith in those paragraphs. I don't feel the need to re-add the information to the article, it's going to happen without any involvement from my end. Unless C&C3 gets binned right now, and the developers make it clear there will never ever be another game in the Tiberian series, there's going to be plenty of people to do it. That's the benefit of being right, there's always plenty of people willing to do the same thing.

            Secondly, you seem to be mistaken that I'm writing an encyclopaedia article. I'm writing a Wikipedia article. It's a very different thing altogether. You know, the ones that describe the Battle of Yavin, the primary-sourced Bulbasaur, and any other number of Wikipedia articles that would never exist in an actual encyclopedia. I know full well there's no way we'll agree on this topic, or even tolerate the other's existence, so I'll leave it at that. Scumbag 02:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

            • There are no assumptions, of good faith or otherwise. They aren't needed. Those are, after all, the very words that you wrote, clearly stating your intention to resume edit warring when the opportunity arises. As for Bulbasaur and Battle of Yavin: The former is not sourced on the basis of "popping in the CD" and playing a game, as you will see if you actually read its references section (once again, you aren't actually looking); and the latter is not sourced at all, as the prominent notice at the top of the article that you have apparently missed points out, and could well have the same problem with original research as the article whose original research content you were edit warring over. Yes, you are writing encyclopaedia articles. That you don't think that you are doing so, and think that dumping anything at all into Wikipedia is all right because it isn't an encyclopaedia, is perhaps part of the problem. That other people also want to dump original research into articles, because they too don't adhere to our Wikipedia:Attribution policy, does not make that right. It simply makes them, like you, people who have not yet learned to be good encyclopaedists (who find, cite, and use sources) and who don't understand that we are here to write an encyclopaedia, a tertiary source free from unverifiable material and original research. I repeat: Please learn to be a good encyclopaedist. Uncle G 11:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
              • I suppose this is the fundamental difference between us. You see people like me, putting it all onto Wikipedia is wrong, because you think it's an encyclopedia. Me, I see it as a natural extension of what Wikipedia really is. It is the people that edit Wikipedia articles that make it what it is, and what it ain't. We really don't need to argue about who is right and who isn't, because right and wrong don't factor into it. What does matter is how many people do it one way, and how many people do it another way. As for your pointing out about the "There's a warning about not sourced on the top of Battle of Yavin... that's on a lot of Wikipedia articles. Doesn't seem to bug most people that read it, and rightfully so. Nobody seems to be having a problem with black eye being uncited, or Sacrebleu, or Naked Lunch, or any of the thousands/millions like it. Wonder why? Scumbag 18:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
                • Your question is based upon an assumed premise that in fact people don't have a problem with articles that have no references. That premise is false. As for your idea that it isn't wrong for you to think that Wikipedia isn't an encyclopaedia: The tenet that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia is one of our Five Pillars. To think otherwise most definitely is wrong, without equivocation. If you disagree with that tenet, you don't understand the project at all. If you disagree with it and moreover actively work against it, by ignoring our content policies, then you'll find that eventually you won't be welcome here. I repeat: Please learn to be a good encyclopaedist. Uncle G 20:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
                  • I guess that since you are citing policy instead of showing me practical examples to confirm your statements, there's nothing to debate. Scumbag 02:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
                    • That's a flimsy argument, given that we have a whole collection of featured articles that you can look at if you want to see the sort of articles that we aspire to create here. Go and read them, and the copius help pages that explain, with examples, article development and our goals here. Uncle G 02:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

dont be inconsiderate of blind people

the trekker is a revolution for blind people and their independence. bump into one and ask. if you dont like the copy, update it. i dont work for trekker. do you want me to send you a 'ing list of "products" on wikipedia???!!! e.g., Red Hat Enterprise Linux Holon67 04:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is not an advertising billboard, and attempting to portray anyone who removes advertisements as someone who is "inconsiderate of blind people" is a propaganda technique that the Institute for Propaganda Analysis identified in the 1930s as Name Calling. Uncle G 11:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary

Hi, I have some serious concerns with this policy. Essentially as written it appears to forbid all articles on words, rather than on topics, whereas we currently have thousands of articles on words, at least some of which I'm sure we wouldn't wish to delete. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary#Major_problem_concerning_this_policy. --Xyzzyplugh 02:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• Your concerns are not actually with the policy at all, which is fine, but are with a collection of bad articles that have long been a perennial problem, being original research magnets and causes for cargo cult encyclopaedia writing of further bad articles. Uncle G 11:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your response on the article's talk page, but please come to it again and respond further, if you will. --Xyzzyplugh 14:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

A bit more on this topic, and perhaps this will explain my concerns. The english version of wikipedia currently has perhaps 850,000 articles about subjects, 850,000 lists, and maybe only two or three thousand articles about words. WP:WINAD is essentially our primary policy page regarding articles which are about words(whether or not it was meant to be). WP:WINAD states, as the primary difference between encyclopedia and dictionary articles, that Wikipedia "articles are about the people, concepts, places, events, and things that their titles denote", while Wiktionary "articles are about the actual words or idioms in their title".

This implies that articles about words do not belong on Wikipedia.

When you combine this with that fact that many people assume "dicdef = short article, encylopedia article = long article", you end up with all short articles about words being transwikied to wiktionary and then deleted, while most long articles about words get kept. The policy doesn't say to do this, but people simply aren't sure what to do with long articles about words, and the policy gives them no help on this. "Well, it looks much longer than a dictionary definition, and this word gets 400,000 google hits, and it's an english word everyone has heard of so it must be notable, I guess this is a keepable article".

What I'm looking for here is a paragraph somewhere in the policy page which explains that while wikipedia is not a dictionary, we do have some articles on words, and that in order to have an article on a word, it needs to meet such and such a set of standards (the primary notability criterion or whatever).

What do you think of this? --Xyzzyplugh 23:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Eric Francis

Do you think this Eric Francis is the author of The Dartmouth Murders mention in the Zantop article? My hunch is yes, but I haven't been able to prove it yet ... --Keesiewonder ^talk 11:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• The potted autobiography in the book does not provide enough overlapping information to be sure, and the Eric Francis article does not provide any sources against which it can be checked for accuracy, and so may well be wrong enough to cause a false negative. They both describe their subjects as photojournalists. Uncle G 12:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
• Yup; thanks for checking. We'll figure it out soon enough. Keesiewonder ^talk 13:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• I'm more convinced that they are different gentlemen. Please see this. Keesiewonder ^talk 11:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

What happened?

Viewing the history on this Archimedes Plutonium article now shows that it was most recently edited on February 17, 2007. Yet, we both know it was edited more recently than that. Do you know what is happening behind the scenese here? --Keesiewonder ^talk 18:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• It was last edited roughly 1 minute ago, by me. ☺ When I look at the edit history, it appears quite normal. You probably have some local caching problem. Uncle G 18:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
• Weird; It looks fine now for me too, w/o clearing my cache. Thanks, though. Keesiewonder ^talk 18:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox bot on Meta

Hello Uncle G,

I noticed your bot is adding two templates in the Meta sandbox and its talk page: [5] [6]. Could you please update it to use the code below (r379109)?

{{/Please do not edit this line}}
== Please edit below ==

Thanks, Korg (talk) 01:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• Done. It should take effect with the next run. Uncle G 01:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you! Korg (talk) 00:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

In case you agree

FYI, in case you agree and have more time today for this than me. Keesiewonder ^talk 11:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Plutonium again

Thanks for your note. I replied on my talk page.--CSTAR 14:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review of The

It is very likely you will want to comment on Wikipedia:Deletion_review#The. --Xyzzyplugh 16:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Your merge proposal

Hi Uncle G. You may not remember me, but I had good encounters with you in the past, and was thus surprised at your merge proposal on "Chink" and "Chinaman". It's not going to pass; the two words are just too different and we already have an edit war on our hands in the latter article, so this distraction isn't very helpful. Please reconsider your idea and perhaps put it off for a while? Thanks a lot. Xiner (talk, email) 19:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• It wasn't my proposal. The edit summary said where the suggestion came from. Uncle G 20:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Sorry, my mistake there. I also see other merge proposals from the AFD, though, and the closing admin didn't make any of them a condition of the Keep decision. Xiner (talk, email) 20:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Xe isn't required to, and indeed some closing administrators make a point of noting that merger is an ordinary editorial decision that is separate from their decision whether to hit the delete button or not. And there is also the view that closing administrators are not edit-on-demand services, and that any editor who opines in an AFD discussion that an article should be merged should at least be prepared to shoulder the burden of that work xyrself. Some closing administrators have stated in the past that if the mergers called for are complex or lengthy, they will leave them up to the people who called for them to do, in the normal course of editing. Uncle G 21:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Essay on Notability

I have found your essay on notability useful. User:Kevin Murray has twice deleted the link to it from WP:Notability. Do you feel that it is "obsolete and misleading" as he stated in his edit summary? Thanks. Edison 19:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The Working Man's Barnstar

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		You deserve this for keeping speculation, crystalballery and other types of rubbish out of the Britney Spears' fifth studio album, given the sheer ineptitude of most of the edits to that article. Extraordinary Machine 18:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

English language names for Chinese people

I made a nomination Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/English language names for Chinese people, but now I am thinking I made it in a haste, because I am quite annopyed with watchng a number of stupid pages (no excuse, harm already done; just explanation). Please defend your text. In particular, the elements of suspected original research, such as classification of terms, must be directly referenced (noit the terms themselves), but the classification itself. Also, it would be good if you find the title that may be fould in google, meaning that you are noit the first to systematize the topic. `'mikka 02:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Since the deletion discussion went out of reason, please consider adding a section in Chinese people, with some additional info of chinese immigration. `'mikka 15:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Fiction

You may be interested in {{cleanup-fiction}} and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). Uncle G 23:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• Personally, I'm a minimalist when it comes to placing templates in articles, but I do suppose this could become useful where the line between fact and fiction is blurred, such as the kayfabe texts we host. What do you think? Burntsauce 17:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I think that one should remember that there are several tools in the toolbox. You mentioned using {{unreferenced}} before. But it is not the only tool in the toolbox. Uncle G 17:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Chinese people

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Uncle G, if I could award you Raul's common sense brick I would. People seem very determined to miss the obvious: there is only one topic, but several articles. Wikisolution: collect all content, weigh it, NPOV it, then debate the title. As usual you are the one doing patient spade work while all around behave like headless chickens, yet you never seem to lose your cool. For this, and citing in passing WP:N, I award you this Tireless Contributor barnstar, which you deserve more than any other tireless contributor I know. Guy (Help!) 09:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Iran War

I could use some help here. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iranian-American War--Lee1863 15:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the tagging of Pollution control

I placed a {{db-reason}} tag on the subject article yesterday. With all due respect, I would very much appreciate an explanation as to why you replaced that tag with a series of {{cleanup}} tags and major deletions of most of the content.

It seems to me that what you have done simply reduced the article to a shell with various sections containing no content other than lists of internal Wiki links ... and, in essence, invited people to create a completely new version of the article. I still believe that the article is just not needed at all for the reasons I cited in my {{db-reason}} tag. I will watch for your response here on your talk page. Regards, - mbeychok 19:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

• The explanation is simple: "We don't need another article such as this one ... which is by far one of the most poorly written, formatted and organized articles that I've seen in Wikipedia." is not a speedy deletion criterion. It is a statement that the article is an article that is in need of cleanup, for which the appropriate tags are the ones now on the article. Deletion is not cleanup. Uncle G 20:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I hope that I am not outliving my welcome by asking another question. Since you are quite clear about that article not meeting the criteria for "speedy" deletion, may I instead tag it as a candidate for "ordinary" deletion rather than "speedy"? If so, what template would I use for that purpose? Regards and thanks again, - mbeychok 21:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
    • You may, but I strongly suggest that you take sources like ISBN 0721915906, ISBN 0117539279, ISBN 8185880395, OSTI 6150807, and OSTI 5120225 in hand and write an encyclopaedia article on the subject of pollution control, instead. Even editors without accounts possess all of the tools necessary for fixing the article. You don't need an administrator to use any administrator tools, or a deletion discussion. So be bold and fix the article. One begins by researching the subject to find what sources exist for it. Uncle G 12:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
      • I realize that further discussion will probably not sway you. However, please do me the courtesy of visiting my user page. I am a retired chemical engineer who has been a Wikipedian for about 15 months. As listed on my user page, in that time I have written or extensively expanded or essentially rewritten over 110 highly technical engineering and scientific articles, the large majority of which were about various pollution aspects or about the pollution control systems used in refineries, chemical and petrochemical plants, natural gas processesing plants, and power plants. Since I spent my first 2-3 months learning how to write a Wipedia article, those 110 articles amount to almost 9-10 articles a month. I haven't got the time nor the inclination to take a bunch of links (as you suggested) and create an unneeded article from them. That is not the way to produce a worthwhile technical article. Good technical articles can only be created by people with many years of experience in the technology they write about. Reading books and links is no substitute for real world experience. Regards, - mbeychok 03:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
        • False; and regularly proven to be false many times over, moreover. Furthermore: That you personally do not want to clean up and improve an article on pollution control is not a reason for deleting such an article. And that you personally think that it is an unnecessary subject is disproven by the people who have written entire books on it. Uncle G 11:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
          • I never said it was an uncesessary "subject". I said it was "unneeded" because we already had many, many articles on that subject and I listed some of them in my original {{db-reason}} tag as well as the many, many categories on that subject. As for "people have written entire books on it", I am one of those people. I have written a book on industrial wastewater and another one on air pollution dispersion modelling, both of which are held in over 200 university and other libraries worldwide ... and used as a textbook in a number of universities. I repeat once more (and this will be my final word), that the proposed article which I tagged is completely unneeded in Wikipedia, and links to books and websites is absolutely no substitute for real world experience. Regards, - mbeychok 15:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
            • Repeating your error doesn't make it any less wrong. This is an encyclopaedia, a tertiary source. The skill set required here, in order to be an encyclopaedist, comprises the abilities to condense and summarise secondary sources, to find sources, to evaluate sources, to read, and to write. That is completely different to subject matter expertise, and one can very well be a subject matter expert without the ability to be an encyclopaedist.

              Incidentally, your claims of having "real world experience" and to have written books won't wash here, and won't win you any arguments. We don't accept "Trust me. I'm a doctor." here. To the world, you, like everyone else, are merely someone with a pseudonym on a wiki about whom nothing is known. What matters here are sources, the very "books and web sites" that you are decrying. Please familiarize yourself with our Wikipedia:Verifiability policy and the reasons that underpin it.

              The "web site links" were in fact pointers to papers in the Journal of Environmental Economics and Management, incidentally. This exemplifies my point about skill sets. Distinguishing journal articles from web sites is not necessarily part of the required skill set of a chemical engineer with "real world experience", but is one part of the required skill set of an encyclopaedist, part of whose task comprises the evaluation of sources. Uncle G 23:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems that if we leave it this way, everybody without the SLIGHTEST knowledge about ANYTHING could and would be encouraged to create articles saying nothing and whose topics are covered by other articles and then leave it there. The article simply features nothing worth editing it's just a collection of links which are also added without even studying the subject.

We have enough coverage about pollution control, my first article was very well structured and documented but was deleted because I was new to Wikipedia. But if we encourage people to write such articles and don't penalize them, we wouldn't have any encyclopedic content in Wikipedia. The invitation to modify it and re-create it is not justified because you should have something to modify. This way, we could all create articles just by writing their title and adding some links. The Vindictive 14:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

• You are making three errors. First, you are thinking solely in terms of penalizing people. The goal is to write an encyclopaedia, not to punish people. Second, you are ignoring the idea of collaborative editing. This is a collaborative project. It is acceptable for an editor to write a stub that you then build upon. Third, you are mischaracterizing the article as being an article with zero content and just a collection of links, with "nothing to modify". If it had been such, it would have been eligible for speedy deletion. (That is one of our criteria.) But it has at least 1 paragraph of context upon which other editors can expand.

  Once again: If you don't want to leave the article "this way", take the sources in hand and expand it. That's what we do with stubs. The route to "not having any encyclopaedic content in Wikipedia" is for editors to be unwilling to write. As I said before, I suggest that you write an article on the subject of pollution control. Uncle G 15:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

You may be right but there are lots of material about pollution control within all the major articles about pollution: air, water, noise, soil. That's why I think this article is not necessary. When we talk about the same thing, we would have lots of similar articles. Or should we delete the sections in the existing articles and place them here instead? The Vindictive 17:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Possible Uncle G's 'bot bug

Hi Uncle G, just a quick heads up since I have to run: unless I'm mistaken (which I very well might be), Uncle G's bot appears to be adding MoveToMediaWiki templates to mainspace articles (I just noticed this onHelp:Inputbox). I always thought that was a meta-specific template that didn't work on en.wiki. Anyway, I just thought I'd let you know. Cheers, -- Seed 2.0 02:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

• You're mistaken. ☺ First you're mistaken about the namespace. "Help:" is not the main article namespace. Second, you're mistaken about who added the template. The 'bot just copied the wikitext verbatim. The editor who actually added that template to the master copy added it here. Uncle G 11:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Template_talk:Not_verified#Redirect__to_Template:Unreferenced

RE: your comment "The events of last year should have taught editors the error of the notion that we should not make it clearly visible to readers when content is suspect or unsourced" on Template_talk:Not_verified#Redirect__to_Template:Unreferenced - To what do you refer? Jeepday 14:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not going to re-hash this in detail here, because it has been subject to months of discussion in many fora already. See Wikipedia#Criticism and controversy and Wikipedia:Improving referencing efforts for two of the many entry points to the whole discussion. Uncle G 15:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the links, not all editors had an opportunity to learn directly from the events you mentioned. Jeepday 15:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend?

I raised this at a WP:ANI thread [7]: Even if it has little chance of affecting consensus, I think this AFD speedy-keeping is disruptive for its sheer irritation value (maybe some kind of WP:POINT), and the facetious nature of some of the reasons makes it hard to AGF. But they're taking a rather laid-back approach to it. Tearlach 17:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

• I'm taking a laid-back approach to it, too. Uncle G 17:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, from my standpoint, agressive deltionism is irritating and I just wanted to support those who take time creating articles. I tried to come up with a reason for why each of those articles are good. I don't claim to be the smartest guy on earth, so others might be more eloquent than I, but I really did think something could be said in each of those articles' defense, so why not say it? My hopes were to help people out who might not even be aware that their article was targetted and to give the articles another chance to be improved upon. Well, anyway, my back pain is getting unbearable, so have a nice night! Sincerely, --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 21:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

AFD Comments

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you.

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

DXRAW 23:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

• That's a bogus warning for what is in fact a perfectly normal and long-standing procedure at AFD. Please read the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. Uncle G 08:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • They are legitimate warnings. It's NOT perfectly normal to assume bad faith & make personal attacks. DXRAW 08:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
    • No, they are bogus, based upon your assumption of bad faith and no-one else's. It is not a personal attack to note a pattern of disruption for the benefits of closing administrators. Once again: Please read the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. Uncle G 09:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Another prime example of WP:AGF DXRAW 10:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

• So putting foward your option in a AFD is disruption. Thanks for that advice. DXRAW 10:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure why you still want to force the AGF side when it's obvious that Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? was acting in bad faith. AGF doesn't apply in the face of evidence to the contrary. He specifically noted that he wasn't using deletion criteria to vote (yes, he was voting, not discussing) and he wasn't reading the articles he voted on. Leebo ^T/C 10:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • No-one has actually given that advice to you. And in making edits such as this one you are doing the very thing that the page that you link to in your edit says to avoid doing. Uncle G 13:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
    • It does not say that anywhere. You Are incorrect. DXRAW 22:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
      • You clearly don't understand what WP:POINT is saying. Please read it again, and repeat until you understand that your edit is exactly the sort of thing that it is saying to avoid doing. Uncle G 00:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I do understand what it is saying & in my option. It is the worst guideline on wikipedia. DXRAW 00:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of The mcdermotts

An article that you have been involved in editing, The mcdermotts, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The mcdermotts. Thank you.

Electro-gravitic propulsion

You did an attempt to make Electro-gravitic propulsion. Unfortunately it now looks completely differte, Keeping the article would seem to imply daily reverting to a sane version a starting the third ArbCom case against User:Reddi. What's your opinion? --Pjacobi 16:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

• Reverting the referenced material? Why? I would like to have Uncle G add to the article. J. D. Redding 16:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
• You, Christopher Thomas, and ScienceApologist were discussing how to improve the article in the AFD discussion. I suggest that you all engage in continuing that discussion at Talk:Electrogravitics, and actually work on the article. You clearly have a neutrality dispute (with the article overrepresenting the views of a single person, LaViolette — something that I tried not to do in the stub that I gave to you) and a dispute about original research (such as the editorial commentary on what Preiss wrote that Reddi added here with no source to back it up). Those should be addressed on the talk page. Uncle G 23:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
• A science fiction novel's glossary is clearly not a peer-reviewed, fact-checked, reliable source, by the way. Fiction is not fact. Uncle G 23:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Theistic atheism

Concerning your edits at theistic atheism. At 200 AD the first christians in Rome were called "atheists" (cause they didn't worshipped the Roman Gods . Have you already edit the wiki article of "atheism". However. We call atheism "not believing in a God" because that is the meaning of """a""" theism and not because of a silly reference of your Mr. .... or 200 AD Romans. Limboot 19:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

• I see by your talk page that this is not the first time that you have added your own unsupported theories to Wikipedia and had them removed. I see by the block log of nl:Gebruiker:Limbo that this is not the first Wikipedia that you have encountered people telling you that this is not what we want. Once again, as per the edit summary: Encyclopaedia content must be verifiable and not original research. The cited source contains a definition of theistic atheism. You have presented no sources for your different definition. Sources are what count here at Wikipedia. If you do not adhere to our content policies, you will find, just as with the Dutch Wikipedia, you will encounter greater and greater difficulty, leading eventually to your editing privileges being revoked. Please learn from the difficulties that you are experiencing, rather than persisting in the same behaviour across multiple projects. Uncle G 19:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Can you also tell me that on the Dutch wiki "revelation religions (openbarings godsdiensten) is accepted and not in this wiki ? Limboot 20:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Fobomania (reaction on "islamophobia")

If wikipedia accepts controversial neologism like "Islamophobia" it has as it claims to be independant also accept Fobomania. That is my opinion. And it is also respectful to the persons you are insulting with it. 20:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

• You are confused. I've insulted no-one with either. Moreover: "If article X then article Y." is an utterly fallacious argument, for obvious reasons. Uncle G 07:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:pnc nominated for deletion

See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Template:pnc for the discussion, which will certainly spill over into larger issues. Your thoughts would be appreciated. --Kevin Murray 23:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion of image

Why did you decline to speedy delete Image:Dmitry Pozharsky marker, Suzdal, Russia -- 10 January 2006.jpg? My understanding was that images that had been copied to Commons were thusly rendered redundant and could/should be speedy deleted. --Gwern (contribs) 03:03 17 April 2007 (GMT)

• Your understanding is correct. However, what is on Commons does not render what is here redundant. Read the Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion carefully, noting the various specific things that have to be true for an upload to Commons to make an upload to the English Wikipedia redundant. If you want to make the image redundant, you must do all of the work properly. Uncle G 07:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I've looked at it and the linked discussion. It's a public domain image so license issue don't come into play; I've used CommonsHelper to copy over history/information so even if it were GFDL, Commons seems to endorse it; and it's at the same name, so I don't need to orphan the one page here which uses it. I'm really not sure what more needs to be done. --Gwern (contribs) 17:53 18 April 2007 (GMT)
    • As the criterion says, you need to ensure that "all image revisions that meet the first condition have been transferred to Commons as revisions of the Commons copy and properly marked as such". So you need to copy all of the free-content revisions of the image. Uncle G 18:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Stalking and Iraninan Assholery

Sir, I am very sorry to bother you but as you were kind enough to post on my talk page, I thought I would take a stab in the dark and ask for help. Two editors have been stalking and harassing me since I first started editing a few days ago. They seem to have me confused with someone else and have been very rude in their accusations (in addition to pushing a POV in the Iranian Military Industry article.) Would you be so kind as to check out the the contributions of User:Ali Soltani and User:Padishah5000, in particular the paranoid ravings on their respective talk pages: User_talk:Padishah5000, and User_talk:Ali_Soltani#Iranian_Military_Industry. Thank you for your time. K1ng l0v3 14:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am not Iranian, and using such terms as "assholery" is hardly civil behavior. Padishah5000 16:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Uncle G, Fair Admin

Well, what can I say, you have made the reality of the situation very clear to both parties involved, as well as the errors we made in the process. I thank you for the fairness of your administrative skills. I mean this in all seriousness, keep up the good work! Padishah5000 17:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your recent judgments

I would like to thank you for your care in this matter but would like to respond to some of the points you made. You are correct to say my remarks were not civil, and some of my remarks were actually personal attacks. Since they were not even on the user's talk page though I thought they didnt violate any policy. Now that I have read the Wiki policy on no personal attacks anywhere I think I did go too far, thanks for pointing that out. Regarding my conclusion of his beleif in confederacy, please refer to Lobots user page, where he announces it there himself. He has deleted now so I cant find it here. And also there was no "another" editer, the other editor was lobot again. Also please explain why you regard this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iranian_military_industry&diff=84230854&oldid=84230455 as a personal attack so I dont make the same mistake again.thank you for your remarks, you have helped alot. I will try to keep the things you said in mind. Ali Soltani 23:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

• Whatever L0b0t may have written on xyr user page should be regarded as irrelevant when it comes to content disputes. As far as content disputes are concerned, your arguments are Sources! Sources! Sources!. With good sources to back up your content, you can convince most editors. As for that edit: It is addressing the editor's personal background, rather than the content. Uncle G 00:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Chrishan's Back

Chris Dotson Inc., Special:Contributions/3mgworld, in case you're interested. - Richfife 23:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for stepping in! - Richfife 03:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

• • Once again: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ride Wit Me (DBF song). This time only credited as a producer, but the article has the same problems. - Richfife 14:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Greeting from Wikibooks

I have been looking for the users that had in the past some activity on VfD at Wikibooks to call attention to the recent policy proposal to define What is Wikibooks, as a Wikibookian I would like you to express your opinion http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Policies_and_guidelines/Vote/What_is_Wikibooks . Txs. (en.Wikibooks b:User:Panic2k4 85.139.120.189 04:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC) )

Michael Sneed

Thanks for stepping in - the argument between the single-purpose accounts and those of us who are looking at this more pragmatically was completely getting out of hand. I have the distinct impression that the SPA folks in this case are folks who feel some sort of umbrage at Sneed's article and the early reporting of the would-be Chinese national as the alleged shooter. But as a journalist myself, I am acutely aware of how fluid information and sources are and can be in a breaking news situation. In any event, as I mentioned on the AfD page, I still endorse deletion of the article, but I digress. Again, thank you for providing a cooler head in a heated discussion. --Mhking 14:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Michael Sneed

I don't quite agree with your redirection to the Chicago sun Times article. I agree that the Inaccurate media reports of the Virginia Tech massacre is POV biased (and is under AfD), but it is, in my opinion, a bit like redirecting Essjay to Wikipedia. Well, just my 2 cents :) -- lucasbfr ^talk 17:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

• I refer you to my edit summary. Uncle G 17:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Good show, UG. Looks better. Revisited and changed my !vote. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Uncle G, could you please explain how WP:BLP warrants this revert? Thanks, AvB ÷ talk 14:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• I refer you to the referral immediately above, as well as to the explanation on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Uncle G 15:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I take it you mean this comment: zero sources that call this a "Michael Sneed Incident". Please note that, by the time I changed that redirect, there certainly were sources describing the incident and naming Sneed, especially in China. Some are cited in the sources of the article to which I redirected, e.g. here. AvB ÷ talk 15:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
    • You are conflating two things. The source names Sneed. It also names Jiang Wei'en and Cho Seung-hui. It doesn't call the events a "Michael Sneed Incident", however. As I said, we have zero sources that call this a "Michael Sneed Incident". No-one else has named this after Michael Sneed. (Indeed, most of the sources don't even concentrate solely upon Sneed.) Wikipedia should not do so, either.

      And I didn't mean only that. Please read the rest of what I wrote in both places, as well. Uncle G 16:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I do not agree with your reading of WP:BLP. AvB ÷ talk 16:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• If you don't agree that Wikipedia should not document a living person in a way that no sources do, then you are mis-reading the policy. Uncle G 16:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't agree that WP:BLP hinges on exact text. It hinges on information (as long as we do not have to interpret the source to arrive at the Wikipedia title/description). I'm going off-line now, probably won't be back on-line before Monday. AvB ÷ talk 17:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
    • If you think that taking sources that do not name these events after Michael Sneed in any way, shape, or form and coming up with a name such as "Michael Sneed Incident" out of thin air is not doing exactly that sort of original interpretation, then you have a completely wrong idea of what you yourself have just stated should not be done. Uncle G 17:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Your suggestions about my thoughts are incorrect, unproductive and unnecessarily antagonistic. I do not understand why you keep mentioning "Michael Sneed Incident". I have not come up with that name, I am not advocating anything anywhere in the encyclopedia to be called by that name, and in fact I am not even aware of anything in the encyclopedia called "Michael Sneed Incident". Anyway, I feel this is unproductive and will disengage. If you feel you should respond, please do so on my talk page as I'm taking you off my watchlist. AvB ÷ talk 01:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
      • I mention it because you brought it up above and then continued to disagree about it. And I am not being antagonistic, here. Antagonism surely describes behaviour where one brings up a point, disagrees about it repeatedly, and then accuses other people of being "unproductive" when they reply. Uncle G 10:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
        • Returning here to let you know I've thought about this and now support your revert. I saw you at work on the BLP noticeboard and realized that, apart from Jimbo, you are the only person I've met on Wikipedia who is (marginally) more strict about BLP than I am. I came here to learn and thought you were blowing me off. I let my irritation get the better of me. This could have been solved very easily; that we didn't was entirely my fault. Please note, however, that I did not accuse you of being unproductive; that only applied to your suggestions about my thoughts. I'm not into empty accusations. Anyway, I was the antagonistic one here so I apologize wholeheartedly. FWIW, your editing easily outclasses that of most others I've seen at work. AvB ÷ talk 15:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Stopper Knots

Hi. Thank you... I almost forgot to leave you message for that welcome note you gave me and for removing the speedy deletion notice in one of the articles I recently created. Also for the show preview button advice... THANKS, Cheers, and More power! Bu b0y2007 05:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

AFD Comments Again

Again i point you to the WP:AGF policy which says.

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you.

Please make sure to follow this policy as it is part of Wikipedias Five pillars that define Wikipedia's character. DXRAW 10:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

• This is yet another bogus warning from you. I pointed you to our Wikipedia:Deletion policy in the AFD discussion, and I point you to it here. You didn't look for sources, as policy requires. That's an error on your part. If you have actually read Wikipedia:Assume good faith you will already know that it doesn't exclude pointing out where editors are making mistakes and contravening policy, as you are doing. Indeed, pointing out poor nominations that are not based in policy is a perfectly normal and long-standing procedure at AFD, and something that is encouraged. I repeat my earlier request, from the last time that you handed out bogus warnings, that you read Wikipedia:Deletion policy and the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion.

  I notice that you omitted Wiktionary from your nomination. That makes me wonder whether you saw Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wiktionary. A nomination such as yours was criticised there for being a disruptive nomination that was attempting to make a point. You have disagreed several times with Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, and your actions here and on other occasions are exactly the ones that it says not to take. I strongly recommend that you adhere to that guideline, stop crying "assume good faith!" when people tell you that what you are doing is wrong, and actually follow our policies and stop being disruptive to make a point. Uncle G 11:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Grow up. DXRAW 21:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Problem with fi:Uncle G's bot

The Uncle G's bot should not reset the Keskustelu Wikipediasta:Hiekkalaatikko. It isn't a sandbox, but a talk page. Could you fix the bot, please. —Iirolaiho 13:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

• You're almost exactly a month behind events. Please check the edit history of fi:Keskustelu Wikipediasta:Hiekkalaatikko more carefully. You'll find that it hasn't been edited since 2007-03-22. Uncle G 13:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Oops. I am sorry. I have been some months on a wikibreak. —Iirolaiho 20:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
    • No worries. If there are any other sandbox pages that need regular raking, let me know. Uncle G 03:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Hauntings (tv show)

Did my listing of Hauntings_(tv_show) in AfD prolong the life of this vanity article? I see you deleted the vanity bios of its authors. -- LuckyLouie 17:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

• No. Vanity didn't have anything to do with it. The articles were unsourced biographies of minors deleted under a combination of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion policies. The television show article does not contain biographical information about people, and so doesn't qualify for speedy deletion in that way. Normal deletion is the correct route for unverifiable articles.

  And it is our verifiability and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball policies that you should be wielding here. You should be showing that this is a wholly undocumented prospective television show. Showing that you've looked for sources and come up empty handed is a far better argument than the argument that the creator simply has a conflict of interest. After all, an editor can have a conflict of interest and still write verifiable and neutral content that is free from original research, as the guidelines themselves point out. Conflict of interest is not grounds for deletion, per our Wikipedia:Deletion policy. But unverifiability certainly is. So I suggest that you present your rationale, in that and other AFD discussions, in terms of what you did to look for sources and what you found. (An article is only unverifiable if both it cites no sources and reasonable efforts on your part to find sources yield nothing, remember.) Uncle G 18:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Got it. Still learning. Thanks. LuckyLouie 23:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikistalking

Cease your harrasment of me. DXRAW 21:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

• This is yet another of your bogus warnings. When it is you handing out bogus warnings to other people, it is not them who are harrassing you. Uncle G 02:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

3RR

I noticed that after the fact -- I also went to an admin (User:Rockpocket) and asked for independent input. This whole situation is a big mess. I'll be truly glad once the single-purpose account folks figure out that the WP rules are there for a reason and that they truly do work. Thanks for the heads up. --Mhking 03:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your additions to 72 virgins

Thanks. I just want to ask you: how are you making these contributions? You have these books with you or are you searching online like in Google books? I know Google books has some books online.--Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 23:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Both Google Books and Google Scholar are useful tools for finding sources. There are others, as well. The oft-stated adage is that counting Google hits is not research. Research involves actually reading the things that the search tools turn up, and that's what I do.

I notice that you counted Google hits. If you want to make an AFD argument that holds water, don't argue "I put these words into Google Web and it said that there were N results.". That isn't an argument that holds water. It's an argument that is relevant to Wiktionary, where lexicographers are interested in whether a word is in widespread use or not. The argument that is relevant to Wikipedia, and one that will hold water at AFD, is to show that there are multiple non-trivial published works from independent sources that discuss the subject, by citing them (preferably in the article itself).

Our task here, as encyclopaedists, is to look for, read, cite, evaluate, and use sources. Uncle G 11:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll check google scholar too. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 17:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm currently reading some sources myself. The article is not yet neutral. Uncle G 17:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, as you added the content to the 72 Virgins article, would you like to respond to Arrow740's continued ascertion that Nydell is not a reliable source even though I've given many references which proves the text you added is valid for the article. Looking at it all from a NPOV perspective, it looks all valid to me and to the rest of the editors on the article but Arrow740 is arguing the technicalities of what constitutes a reliable source and even though I've put forward my understanding from the WikiPedia policies and guidelines, as a veteran of WP, I believe your viewpoint may be better appreciated. Thanks. → Aktar ^{(talk • contribs)} — 08:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

She is a reliable source for some things. Arrow740 23:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Uncle G, could you voice your opinion on the merger of this article? Thanks: Talk:72_Virgins#Merge.3F --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 21:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Sources

You seem to be making the "it's in a book" argument. If that were a good argument then the articles on Islam would be full of quotes from books by polemicists critical of Islam. I am asking you to verify that the sources are good. Who are Nydell and Aziz? It is disappointing that you did not take the opportunity to respond to that entirely reasonable question on the talk page. Further, it makes no sense to have people criticizing certain viewpoints and characterizations in the West without first representing those opinions. Until we do so, the article would promote a certain POV. That is the other reason why I moved those sources to the talk page. Please respond to both my points. Arrow740 18:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

• The argument that I'm making is what I've actually written, not something else completely different constructed by you. And that argument is that by removing sourced content and leaving in one single point of view when the article previously had three, you are working backwards, away from neutrality and sourcing, and not making a positive contribution to the writing of an encyclopaedia.

  As for your disappointment: You cannot blame anyone else for that. You did not, in fact, ask any such question on the talk page. The answer to your question can be obtained by your going and looking at the sources cited. That's what the citations are there for. You've apparently not actually looked at the cited sources at all.

  And yes, I am well aware that the article is non-neutral. Why do you think that the tag is there? You have two choices. You can continue to obstruct, as you are doing, the writing of a properly sourced and comprehensive article; or you can do as I've asked you to do several times, and actually go and read some sources and contribute positively with some content that will help to improve the article and make it neutral.

  And in response to your edit summary: I am indeed an administrator and I'm well aware of the neutral point of view policy and the reliable source guidelines. I'm working towards making an article more neutral, by finding, reading, citing, and using sources that represent the various points of view, and well sourced by sources other than the primary sources and web pages of dubious provenance that it had heretofore. You are not. You are actively working against doing that.

  I encourage you to consider how unconstructive your repeated removal of sourced information and wholesale erasure of any progress made is, and what effect your overall approach to editing (which can be paraphrased as "The article's not finished yet. I'm therefore going to remove all content.") will have on volunteer editors who devote their time to researching a subject and gradually improving articles. You might like to consider whether that approach results in a good encyclopaedia being written or not. Once again, I direct you to our Wikipedia:Editing policy which explains how encyclopaedia articles are not built in a day. Uncle G 19:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Todd Spencer

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Todd Spencer, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Korg (talk) 11:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Templates

You may want to take a look at Category:Image insertion templates. >Radiant< 11:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

{{vocab-stub}}

Hi Uncle G - I've just removed the note you added to the stub type list about {{vocab-stub}}. The stub type isn't deprecated at all, though its main usage isn't for things which need to be moved to Wiktionary. It is sometimes used for that, but its main purpose is to mark stub encyclopedic articles relating to vocabulary or usage - articles which go beyond what could be regarded as targets to be moved to Wiktionary. It's already emphasised in Wikipedia:Stub#Basic information that there is a difference betwen things which should be marked as stubs and things which should be moved to Wiktionary. Grutness...wha? 10:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Wrong. It has been deprecated. Read Template:Vocab-stub. You can find the discussion for deprecating it dating from 2005 on its talk page, on Category talk:Vocabulary and usage stubs, and elsewhere. You can even find yourself describing it as a "temporary holding pen" in 2005 at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Kybernetès. The tag is still being widely mis-used, and the notice is there to stop that. I've restored it. We need to stop this mis-use. Clearly, what is written in Wikipedia:Stub isn't enough. Uncle G 11:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Hm. Interesting. There was never any discussion about the deprecation of this stub type at WP:WSS (I've initiated discussion there now on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting). As for my earlier comment on that VfD, that was a very much earlier comment - the usage of this stub template has evolved over the two years since then. It was a form of holding pen, but once many of the non-vocabulary items had been removed there were still a significant number of stub articles specifically on vocabulary and usage. Grutness...wha? 23:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
    • It has and it hasn't evolved. Although there are articles on vocabulary in the stub category, I regularly have to prune the category of additions where stub sorters are placing dictionary articles into it, or treating it as a miscellany. Its use has not evolved in that respect. Uncle G 12:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

User:HurbLover

Many thanks for dealing with him/her. For the life of me I can't imagine what folks like that get out of their activities. But it's reassuring to know that the community can deal quickly and effectively with them! Best wishes, Kim Dent-Brown 13:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Stoopid Monkey Logos

As you are probably aware, the Stoop!d Monkey page was the subject of an AfD and the result was, of course, "Keep". Currently, the logos are a point of contention with myself saying that they were part of the "Keep", while User:Calton saying they were to be dropped and the article was to remain.

I asked the admin who closed the AfD his opinion and he replied, "I just said the article was to be kept, I don't know about the logos". There wasn't a decision given on the logos and in the AfD only 3 users said the logos should go, only 1 said keep the article, lose the logos.

I am not sure how to handle this, but since the admin who closed the AfD made no decision and the AfD wasn't about the logos in the first place (and the majority said to keep the logos if you want to be picky about it, as far as I can tell).

This wasn't an issue from April 16th (immediately after the AfD) to May 3rd when User:Calton realized that I was blocked for 48hours (not related to this) and I couldn't revert his changes. User:Calton had no interest and made no changes on the page itself or the talk page during that time. So, to me, his initial revert on May 3rd was done because of my block.

I have asked two admins (in case one is offline) to revert his changes and put a block on the page until this can be worked out. I am also asking you, since you contributed to the AfD, what your opinion is on just the logos themselves. I appericate you input one way or the other. Thanks...SVRTVDude ^(VT)

Evil genius

		The Resilient Barnstar
		I really like the changes that you have made to the Evil genius page. It actually appears to be and encylopedic article now that I would have no issues with. I would not have had the background in this to rebuild it into what you have put there, so this is for you. Also, thanks for your willingness to hear and comment on the comments I made about the process. Slavlin 19:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I think your involvement would be very helpful and appreciated

UG - There is a "repalcement" notability guideline in process at Wikipedia:Notability/Proposed. As I read and value your "On Notability," I am of the opinion that your contribution to the proposal would be valuable, if you have the chance. P.S. If you need to responsd to this post specifically, feel free to do it here, I'll check back, as I agree with your preference to avoid disjointed conversations. UnitedStatesian 15:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Award of a Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		The Barnstar of Diligence is hereby awarded in recognition of extraordinary scrutiny, precision, and community service. Awarded by Addhoc 00:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

You did it again!

You took a crap article written by a self-evident POV pusher and you fixed it. I hate when that happens! How can I fill up my deletion log if you fix the crap?  ;-) Guy (Help!) 07:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

template:Dict

Hello,

why did you restore a double redirect?

132.205.44.134 19:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for MediaWiki:Uploadtext/en-usgov

I noticed that you use "IMG0592.JPG" as an example of a bad name and "John Doe in 1997" as an example of a good name. However, all file names must have an extension, so for consistency, the "Good" example should be changed to something like "John Doe in 1997.jpg". *** Crotalus *** 00:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• I simply copied that text from one of the other pages. ☺ Uncle G 00:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Spidey

The last sentence or two, that talks about what Maguire said, is redundant to the entire paragraph that precedes the one it sits in. The third paragraph already talks about Maguire and Dunst saying they'd do another film if everyone came back. You could "expand" that sentence with the "could take years" stuff, but the rest is repetative to what he's already said.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• Please read the notice at the top of this page. Uncle G 11:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

TfD discussion of template(s) you have recently edited

Template:Sources is under discussion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 12:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious

I don't want to push you into taking an "official" position, but I confess that I am curious as to your thoughts on the changes at WP:N.

I've read your essay several times (I link to it on my user page), and I admire it. Your essay does a better job of reconciling the tension between WP:N and the subject specific guidelines than any version of the "primary notability" criterion that I have seen. Ultimately, I don't believe there is a way to truly reconcile them, which is why I supported/instigated the changes at WP:N, but, as I said, I am curious what you think.--Kubigula (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

• I haven't had the time to spare to revisit that particular discussion for a while. I had a brief glance at the page just now, prompted by a remark at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel DiCriscio, but didn't attempt to go over it in detail. I haven't even had the time to revisit your proposal that you mentioned earlier. One thing to consider in your discussions: Go to the aforementioned AFD discussion, and see how the "notable with zero sources" approach to notability advocated by Badlydrawnjeff actually operates in practice and what it would actually result in. Uncle G 22:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Jeff represents an important perspective, but I often disagree with him in theory and practice. The new proposed WP:N changes some of the terminology, but I think the primary real change is to openly state that N and the subject specific guidelines are equally valid. The practical application is not much different from your essay, though some (on both sides) will inevitably use the wiggle room in any guideline to fit their concept of the encylopedia.--Kubigula (talk) 00:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

"New articles to the top, please" at AfD?

Hi,

Not that I have any preference, but I'm just wondering from where this thought came? Best wishes, Xoloz 15:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#New noms to top or bottom? Uncle G 15:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Just Because...

		The Editor's Barnstar
		Just to ensure you keep getting them on a regular basis.  ;) Thanks for your complete rewrite of Men in skirts; it was well-written, well-referenced, encyclopaedic... a joy to read. I learned a lot from it, and I'm glad the article will remain on Wikipedia, which is solely due to your hard work. Kudos. — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 20:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Baum (disambiguation)

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Baum (disambiguation), by Sgeureka (talk · contribs), another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Baum (disambiguation) fits the criteria for speedy deletion for the following reason:

Houskeeping - cleanup per WP:SU

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E'gao

Cheers for creating this redirect. Real life has basically been swamping me lately otherwise I'd probably have gotten around to it. I hereby promise to use both your sources and mine to improve kuso itself, although to preserve my honour I'll shamelessly decline to set a deadline. --DeLarge 15:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• I have it on my to-do list, too. ☺ Uncle G 15:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for indicating that I got it right at the Crystal Gail Mangum DRV. I was starting to get worried that I was heading in a completely offbase direction in my interpretation of things. I'll pop by at WP:BLP later on to throw my support behind your recommendation (which I expect will be tinkered with somewhat over the course of the day). --Risker 16:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

This was an excellent post, and gets it exactly right, I think. Thank you. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 16:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

It definitively deserves a Brick 'O Common Sense, I'd say. Excellent. Duja► 09:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The other link

You seem to be the only one opposed to the extra link at the bottom of Wikipedia:Upload, while myself, User:Iamunknown, and User:Ais523 have all supported it. As I stated at Wikipedia talk:Upload, "It is from somewhere else" doesn't have the same meaning and shouldn't be seen as equivalent even if the link is currently the same. Please comment at Wikipedia talk:Upload rather than continually reverting. Dragons flight 17:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For adding a significant amount of information to Aphenphosmphobia when it was put up for deletion, I award you the Editor's Barnstar. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 21:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Switched at birth articles

In general, I like the way this concluded and think this is the best way to cover the topic. I think someone probably should expand the Babies switched at birth article to include mention of some of the other cases and hospital security measures. That's probably a project for the future. I don't have the energy to tackle the research at the moment. Regarding encyclopedic sources, I'll bow to your greater knowledge here. I'm a newspaper reporter and I'm used to quoting news sources and individual people. Writing for Wikipedia requires a different style of writing. --Bookworm857158367 15:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• There are indeed some differences between encyclopaedists and journalists when it comes to sources, because of an encyclopaedia's status as a tertiary source. Encyclopaedism requires that sources involve processes of fact checking, peer review, and publication, for example. See User:Uncle G/On sources and content for more on this. We don't do original research or original reporting. However, there are some similarities, too. As a journalist, you have probably been subjected to a requirement for having at least three separate sources for an article, and will find our primary notability criterion of multiple non-trivial published works that are both reliable and independent from the subject and its creator(s)/inventor(s)/author(s) not too dissimilar in that respect. Uncle G 11:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

My Del Rev comment

Uncle G, My tone was affected by all the similar issues which have been prominent this week, and some other things as well, and I apologize that it was more than the situation called for here. As you just said, it had become a proxy for the other debates, & I too dislike the tendency of WP debates to spread to multiple locations. Yes, the final close did reflect the general feeling. I sometimes disagree with your opinions, but, as I said, they are always reasonable ones. The only action I think unreasonable in the whole sequence was the original repeated speedy--and there was an apology given for that. I find that I am more critical of what strikes me as dubious admin decisions now that I am an admin--perhaps I think more of what I would have done. DGG 16:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• No worries. I didn't even see it as a matter of tone. I simply thought that you had the wrong idea of what I was intending with that suggestion. Uncle G 12:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Baby Jessica case

User:Crocodyle says he is the stepfather of Anna Schmidt, the child in the Baby Jessica case. I have posted the comment you made on my page in response to his comment on his user page and also advised him to post his question on the BLP board. --Bookworm857158367 12:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

In a response to bookworm about the ongoing joke you call an article now, you claim that i want someone to take sides saying i'm in contravention of "Wikipedia:Neutral point of view" or something of that nature....when in fact it is you that is in "contradiction" of your own policy. You have obviously sided with the DeBoers point of view....as you show the impact it had on them, and nothing about the impact it had on the Schmidts. You claim the case was in Ann Arbor, Mich....which is partly true, as it started and continued in Cedar Rapids, IA for quite some time, before the DeBoers took it to the Michigan courts. From the beginning, Iowa courts ruled in favor of the Schmidts...as did the Michigan courts....until the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Schmidts....yet again. Who was Anna really handed over to, crying (as most photographs show)....the Schmidts?? Not so, as you stated. Another party handled the exchange. And then you harp on the fact that Dan Schmidt is disabled and hasn't worked (this, over 10 yrs AFTER the case is over)....that has nothing more to do with the case than the fact that he no longer has any sort of contact with his 2 daughters, which you felt compelled to remove. Other articles (Ryan St Anne Scott for one) has used a person's own statement from another area of Wikipedia, so why is this situation any different? And then the mention of a book written by the DeBoer's....hoping Anna would read it.... the Hear my Voice advocacy group they (the DeBoers again...) started up.....and the fact that they have adopted a son. What does any of this have to do with the case?? I never asked anyone to take sides....only to be fair. I didn't come in and erase everything...i made 2 small changes....that ARE fact. I didn't do away with the pathetic "cry on my shoulder" paragraph about the "Impact on the DeBoers". So go ahead and make your own rules....be the big man on campus....i once respected Wikipedia...crocodyle 05:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• I suggest that you pay closer attention to the article's edit history. You appear to be erroneously lumping everyone else who isn't yourself into a general category of "you". You also appear not to have read any of the policies that I linked to before, or our Wikipedia:Editing policy. Please read them. Uncle G 06:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

AFD

Hey, I misunderstood your first request, which is why I ignored it (My Bad!) It's all set now, thanks! --lightdarkness ^(talk) 01:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Anna Schmidt

Just in case this missed its target....here it is again....

In a response to bookworm about the ongoing joke you call an article now, you claim that i want someone to take sides saying i'm in contravention of "Wikipedia:Neutral point of view" or something of that nature....when in fact it is you that is in "contradiction" of your own policy. You have obviously sided with the DeBoers point of view....as you show the impact it had on them, and nothing about the impact it had on the Schmidts. You claim the case was in Ann Arbor, Mich....which is partly true, as it started and continued in Cedar Rapids, IA for quite some time, before the DeBoers took it to the Michigan courts. From the beginning, Iowa courts ruled in favor of the Schmidts...as did the Michigan courts....until the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Schmidts....yet again. Who was Anna really handed over to, crying (as most photographs show)....the Schmidts?? Not so, as you stated. Another party handled the exchange. And then you harp on the fact that Dan Schmidt is disabled and hasn't worked (this, over 10 yrs AFTER the case is over)....that has nothing more to do with the case than the fact that he no longer has any sort of contact with his 2 daughters, which you felt compelled to remove. Other articles (Ryan St Anne Scott for one) has used a person's own statement from another area of Wikipedia, so why is this situation any different? And then the mention of a book written by the DeBoer's....hoping Anna would read it.... the Hear my Voice advocacy group they (the DeBoers again...) started up.....and the fact that they have adopted a son. What does any of this have to do with the case?? I never asked anyone to take sides....only to be fair. I didn't come in and erase everything...i made 2 small changes....that ARE fact. I didn't do away with the pathetic "cry on my shoulder" paragraph about the "Impact on the DeBoers". So go ahead and make your own rules....be the big man on campus....i once respected Wikipedia...crocodyle 05:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete request

Could you please delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jocelyne Couture-Nowak 3rd nom? You can see that the naming convention is incorrect. No pages link to it (I've got a speedy deletion request already on it). Apologies for causing you extra work! --ElKevbo 22:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. Someone else got it. Thanks anyway! --ElKevbo 22:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipeditan

Hi. Could you somehow put an attribution for that image... as it stands, it may appear to come from me because my name is in it. Thanks. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 13:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• The attribution for the image is on the image page on Commons. Note that if you approach the subject of deleting BJAODN with humour, you'll rather deflate the arguments of those who accuse you of being humourless. See Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan, by the way. Uncle G 14:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • When I said attribution, I meant who put the image on AN (poor choice of words, sorry). As written, it made it seem that I put it there, which is something that I would never do (and I know what Wikiwhatevertan is, I just don't care for it). And I could care less if people think I'm humorless in this case - I spelled out my argument fairly clearly that the deletions were not against the concept of BJAODN. If folks are too stupid to see otherwise, thats not my problem. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 14:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Well since she greets you now, it should be readily apparent that you didn't write it yourself. ☺ Uncle G 14:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

AFD

Sorry about that. I thought it was bottom before. Wooyi^{Talk to me?} 20:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• It has been changed. Uncle G 20:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunately, AFD auto nominate hasn't been updated to reflect that. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 03:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

My mess on the AfD templates

Thank you for cleaning after me. I was shocked to see the "wrong syntax" category filling up and realised my mistake, but you beat me to it. :) Resurgent insurgent 16:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

• No worries. Uncle G 16:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey

I got a probable BJAODN page, but could you check it for me? This Whsitchy 23:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Relistings

On Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Peruvian Jews the substantial arguments are made by other editors, and the sock-puppets are mainly echoing those arguments. Ignoring the sock-puppet contributions leads to the same result when making the decision based upon the actual arguments rather than upon a head count

True. Only problem is it was overturned at deletion review by the socks. Insteading of relisting, maybe theres a way to just nullify the DRV?

Thanks for finding List of Jewish jurists and List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society. Those are definitely worth relisting and were nearly overlooked. In addition to the Royal Society, someone should probably nominate (perhaps in tandem) List of Jewish Fellows of the British Academy. It's basically the same type of list, no contributions other than creation from one of the socks. Generally unencyclopedic, special-interest list, etc... fits same criteria. Bulldog123 04:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

London Borough of Camden discussion

I saw that you reviewed the discussion at Talk:London Borough of Camden and removed some inappropriate comments. You may also want to review the related discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London#LB Camden. Dr. Submillimeter 09:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review this matter. Kbthompson 10:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Non-free use disputed for Image:Mother.jpg

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AfD closure

[8] Good job and thank you. SchmuckyTheCat

Whoops...

...sorry for the mistake, I wasn't aware that new AfDs are now placed on top (it's been quite a time since I submitted an AfD). Mea culpa and thanks for the reminder, I'll take note of it =) --- Tito Pao 11:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Green Light

I took care of the redirects and put the song article at Green Light (song) where it belongs, as I thought just wiping it out would be a little too bold on my part. DarkAudit 18:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

In re: Wyatt article and RFAR

Thanks for checking who tagged CSD-A3 over the redirect. Would you also mind looking a little further back (should be 2 June) to see who tagged CSD-G4 on the version I had created? Thanks! Serpent's Choice 15:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

ExtraLife

• ExtraLife

You posted that the ExtraLife article contained either original research or unverified claims - what research or claims are you referring to? Also, I believe that you posted about questionable notability of ExtraLife. I have posted a reply in the talk page: Talk:ExtraLife#Notability Thank you so much for you time --Shaymus22 21:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

• As the edit summary said, the tags are per the AFD discussion. Uncle G 21:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
• The AfD discussion is mainly about whether or not the article should be considered spam, and has little to do with notability, which was proven in the early stages of the discussion --Shaymus22 21:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
  • No, it wasn't. Uncle G 09:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Merkey

Quite right, thank you. I am so tied up wiht the BDJ arbitration that I missed this escalation. I have left a strongly worded note and will follow up with further communications off-wiki if necessary. Phaedriel is also working with Merkey; hopefully between us we can keep a lid on it. Thanks, Guy (Help!) 10:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Top

Since when are new AFDs supposed to go at the top? I've been putting them at the bottom ever since I started work on them and as far as I know it was standard practice (if it wasn't, people failed to tell me for more than 3 years...). - Mgm|^(talk) 12:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• Since last month. Uncle G 12:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Apologies...

I'm very sorry that my revision was wrong, I was not aware of it. I had just got the rollback thingy on my monobook. I will make sure an oversight like this never happens again. I am an avid vandal fighter did not wish to cause harm. Thanks for warning me. Peace. Spartan-James 18:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow!

This was brilliant. IPSOS (talk) 01:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

• It's how we've handled all of the numerical prefixes for some years, now. It's also how we handle the Internet-related prefixes. Uncle G 08:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I meant as a response to User:Eep²'s edit warring over adding words starting with ob-.

    On a less positive note, this user has stalked me to an article they have never edited before, List of small presses, apparently in retaliation for my objecting to their incorrect use of disambiguation pages. S/he keeps putting this list article into two columns. I don't know if you are aware of the longstanding RfC on this user, but it is clear that they are not moderating their disruptive behavior. I've opened a request for a community ban, here. IPSOS (talk) 13:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

    • Splitting lists across two columns is not unheard of on Wikipedia. (It is actually standard practice on Wiktionary.) You'd make a better case for not doing this if your list article were more than just a bare list of hyperlinks, with almost no prose content at all, as is currently the case. I suggest that each entry on the list comprise a paragraph of description. For starters, this will allow you to handle entries that are not notable and so don't warrant individual articles of their own, as is apparently the case for several of the entries. (See User:Uncle G/On notability#Dealing with non-notable things.) Uncle G 16:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Proto's Law?

LOL! That is classic irony. Make a snarky comment about showboating admins getting solutions named after themselves, and then get 'rewarded' with a law named after yourself! :-) Carcharoth 16:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

indent vs bullet point

Why did you change all the indents to bullet points? Because of that, I didn't notice you left a comment hidden under all that indent changing. Is there a specific policy or guideline for the use of bullet points in discussion compared to indents? Because if that's the case, the majority of us aren't following it. Otherwise, changing them doesn't have much point and clutters up the diff. - Zero1328 _Talk? 15:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

• There are several reasons for using asterisks instead of colons, especially on large discussion pages. Have a look at what and how much HTML markup each generates, for starters. The idea that the majority doesn't use asterisks is a falsehood, by the way. As too is the implication in what you wrote that any indent levels changed. (They didn't.) Uncle G 16:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I understand why bullet points are better over indents, but I didn't mean to imply that you changed any indent levels. What I'm more concerned about is that while you were changing them to bullet points, you also added a comment to the discussion as well. If you look at the diff, it's all filled with asterisk changing and it's difficult to find the actual message you inserted, especially since it was in the middle of the discussion instead of at the bottom. As I was looking at the diff in haste, I was not aware you added a message. - Zero1328 _Talk? 01:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I feel that this conversation may be fairly important, so I've decided to leave a message at Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines#Indentation - Colons or bullet points?. As the one who made me aware of this possible issue, I believe you should have a say in it. - Zero1328 _Talk? 13:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

About my username

Hi! Thanks for deleting my userpage. I decided to quit because there were some assholes who were really annoying. (that's what happens when you leave your e-mail on your userpage. However my username is mentioned in various talkpages. Is there any chance you coud delete it as well from there too? This is the list of the pages [here]

Your suggestions for the Editor's Index

Thanks for the suggestions - I've added both. I will admit that I'm a bit embarrassed that the second one wasn't already included, and even checked back six months to see if it had inadvertently been deleted (no). It's certainly been cited enough.

Also - I wasn't expecting what I found (which was quite useful) at User:Uncle G/Wikipedia triage, because of the page title. A title something like "Courses of action" or "On what an editor should do" seem to me to more closely get at the gist of the matter: confronted with an article with clear inadequacies/problems, how should an editor respond? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

New AfD on Angela Beesley

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Beesley (4th nomination). I noticed when going through the older nominations that you supported keeping in the past. I was wondering if your views have changed or not? Carcharoth 19:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

AFD

Sorry about that - I use a script to generate the AFDs - I'll have to see if it's been updated. --Fredrick day 09:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

erm...

What was that all about? -- Fullstop 17:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh wait. I see. You made a mistake. Present-day Anahita is not a "move" from Anāhitā (as you appear to have thought). It came from Aredvi Sura Anahita. And incidentally, *I* didn't move to Anāhitā. In any case, your choice of adjectives was rather, um, unbecoming. -- Fullstop 17:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

• It was entirely becoming. Copy-and-paste "moves" are bogus, and a copy-and-paste "move" of one article into another (merging in a third along the way) is what you did. Uncle G 17:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

So, what should the proper procedure have been? (step-for-step detail please) -- Fullstop 17:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

• To rename an article, use the rename button. Before the redirect at Anahita was edited you could have simply renamed Anāhitā back over it. After it was edited, the correct place to go was Wikipedia:Requested moves, to get an administrator to delete the edited redirect. In both cases, no copying and pasting is involved to move the page. The step-by-step process for then merging in content from a third article can be found at Help:merging and moving pages. (Please note what is written in boldface there, by the way.) Uncle G 18:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

> Before the redirect at Anahita was edited you could have simply renamed Anāhitā back over it

Why on earth should I have done that? I was going from Aredvi Sura Anahita to Anahita, not from Anāhitā to Anahita.

Oh, never mind that...

Imagine that I (what I should have done) moved Aredvi Sura Anahita to Anahita, then secondarily merged (i.e. picking up the interwikis) from Anāhitā.

Now, question: how do your edits reflect those steps? What am I missing? -- Fullstop 18:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

ps: gotta run, will check back tomorrow.

AfD on Nick.com

Thank you for making some good comments at the AfD of Nick.com. I hope you would make the same comments at the similar AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/StarTrek.com. Thanks. -- Wikipedical 18:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Afd Process

Thanks for the tip. Vectro 19:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

YAM

Just to say thanks for using me as an article source! :) Nikola 19:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diligence

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I thought I'd give you this Barnstar of Diligence for your combination of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service in numerous articles. Wikidudeman (talk) 05:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice call

Look what this turned up. Kwsn^(Ni!) 00:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

User:Tesharrr

Hi, Uncle G. This user is requesting unblock. Could you possibly explain this block? I'm not seeing any coordinated vandalism. Thanks. The Evil Spartan 16:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

• I was wondering the same; possibly I missed something, but Tesharrr's contribs don't seem like obvious vandalism at first glance. – Luna Santin (talk) 16:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
• That account is one of several accounts used in concert by a small group of people coördinating their activities via an off-wiki discussion forum. Read Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/First World Problems. The statements in the unblock request are bogus. The accounts that "favored keeping the article" were the same group of people, creating accounts to support keeping the article, similarly coördinated on the same discussion forum. There has been no "collaborative creating a legitimate article". What there has been, rather, is the creation of a joke article by a small group of people who then tried to game AFD. If you read the various versions of this article authored by this editor (including the already deleted ones), it will be clear to you that this editor does not actually have the aim of creating legitimate articles. This is the same group of people who decided a month or so ago to make edits like this one across many articles using several accounts. (Compare that edit to this version of the article as last edited by Tesharrr (talk · contribs) if the connection is not immediately apparent.) This is not the first time that this group has vandalized Wikipedia. I strongly recommend that you ignore unblock requests from these accounts and IP addresses. Uncle G 17:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

Re: Islam (disambiguation), Hillary, and Agnes (name). Please stop edit warring and move warring against consensus. [9], http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hillary&action=history. It also appears that you made a useless edit to Islam (name) just to prevent any other editor from undoing your move.[10] -- JHunterJ 11:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

• Ahem! I reverted your rename and it was you who then reinstated it. I've restored the status quo ante once more and prevented further repeated moves from continuing in the fashion that you note. Your claim to consensus is bogus. I've pointed you at Wikipedia:Deletion policy/names and surnames several times, now. Read it. Also read Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary, which I've also linked to. Uncle G 11:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
  • No, I didn't reinstate the rename.[11] As I mentioned when you brought up the deletion policy discussion from 2005, more current disambiguation guideline consensus disagrees with that (and deletion policy discussions don't really get the consensus of editors involve in disambiguation anyway). Not a dictionary has nothing to do with any of these edits. And in any event, making edits simply to disable the ability of editors to move a page is poor form, particularly for an administrator. If you wanted to block moves, aren't there page protections which you should have used? -- JHunterJ 11:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
    • For the third time: Your claim to consensus is bogus, as already explained. Read the discussions. And you are very confused about administrator tools. Not using the administrator's page protection tool, but simply using ordinary editing tools that every editor has, is far from being poor form. I suggest that you go and think hard about the reasons that administrators are encouraged not to use administrator tools, but to edit like the ordinary editors that they are, in such circumstances. Finally: If you don't understand why the removal of a long list of translations of a proper noun is related to our Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary policy, you need to read the policy again. Uncle G 11:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, while you are usually relatively clueful, your insistence on Islam (disambiguation) when the page contains nothing other than human names seems illogical. older ≠ wiser 12:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

• Lots of disambiguations disambiguate amongst people who share the same family name. Sometimes they disambiguate amongst places and things as well. But the existence of no places and things doesn't somehow make a disambiguation not a disambiguation any more. In the specific case of Islam (disambiguation) there is a thing in addition to the people: Islam. It's listed right at the top of the article. The article is a perfectly ordinary primary-topic disambiguation article. I have reverted your changes back to the status quo. Uncle G 14:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Umm, well, your status quo seems somewhat idiosyncratic. The only thing being disambiguated on the page are human names. The link back to the primary topic is by convention only -- it would be extremely rare for someone looking for Islam to go to Islam (disambiguation). I've reverted you back. Cheers. older ≠ wiser 01:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

That picture

I'm wondering for future reference--is merely including a picture of a child the same as identifying him or her? I was wondering because the caption didn't include the girl's name (and it definitely looks like a girl). If it did, that would absolutely be a BLP violation--she can't be more than three years old, which is too young to give consent in any civilized country. Blueboy96 16:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

New Zealand words

An administrator has restored the article by request at Wikipedia:Help desk#Recover Deleted Page. I see you prod'ed it and just wanted to tell you in case you stopped watching it after deletion. PrimeHunter 02:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

mathematical notation

Hello. When we discussed this last December, it didn't seem urgent to continue the discussion since you seem remote from the Wikipedia mathematics community, but for the sake of completeness, here is the material that you so urgently wished to be communicated to you ONLY by means other than email if at all. I've put it into pdf format so that what you see should not be brower-dependent and email should not be necessary:

File:Notation.pdf

Look near the bottom of the first page of the two-page pdf document.

Here's the point:

• In e^x, obviously the e should be at the same height as the surrounding letters and the superscript x should be higher. That is indeed how it appears in the version that does not use TeX. In the TeX version, on the other hand, the e looks lower than the other letters, and that is clearly incorrect. I've tried this on a variety of different browsers and it's looked that way consistently.
• The letters in TeX are larger than those is the surrounding text; they're comically gigantic. That obviously is inconsistent with standard usage.

Those are among the reasons for the position taken by Wikipedia:Manual of Style (mathematics). Hundreds of mathematicians edit Wikipedia daily and for the most part adhere to the manual. Michael Hardy 20:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Cargo cult writing

Would begging be a good example of cargo cult writing? The article seems to me to veer close to the "I know. I'll add a bullet point to a Wikipedia article." way of writing. Plus a slight diversification to avoid accusations of being North American- or UK-centric. But bascially it is various odds and ends thrown together: the accumulated wisdom, opinions, and half-remembered thoughts of a few Wikipedia editors, plus some random legal stuff and "story" examples, along with a smattering of pictures and trivia. Not really what I would call encyclopedic, but very Wikipedic. Hmm. Is that a word? Carcharoth 17:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Too hasty removal of category?

Uncle G, I removed the category Portrayals of Mormons in modern media from Sixth Column; I noticed that you had added it. Curious, the article does not talk about Mormons. Is there a reason why you added it to this article? If so, could you provide that reasoning on the talk page? Thanks. --Storm Rider ^(talk) 07:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Relevance drafts ready for editing/comments

Hi Uncle G,

Father Goose and I have developed competing versions for a possible guideline on relevancy. I note you have previous participated at this project. Your contributions would be timely now.

• Draft REL2 REL2.1 by Father Goose
• Draft REL3 by WikiLen

My draft is the current proposed guideline only because I made mine after Father Goose did his. This is not to suggest either version is favored. Thanks for your interest... —WikiLen 03:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Would you be interested in joining the Wikipedia Crime Project?

I have seen that you like to contribute to serial killer articles I am trying to organize a task force on this subject under Wikipedia:WikiProject Criminal Biography. If you would be interested in joining contact me. Thanks, Jmm6f488 20:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Call for editor participation at Relevance

Hi Uncle G,

Wikipedia:Relevance requests your presence — see, "Call for editor participation" at the talk page. —WikiLen 17:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

where are you?

i cleaned up and arranged things here. would love to see you around. come back, soon. Lptp-mstk 06:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Its all nothing but some virtual wiki-diffs, take it lightly.. Lptp-mstk 04:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

El Toro Handrail, revisited

Hi, you commented on the last time El Toro Handrail was put up for deletion (here), and singlehandedly you kept it from going down. I've put it up for deletion again (here), and I'd like you to review the article one more time. ALTON .ıl 06:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism of Fiona Bruce

Can you help? The user User:86.148.203.77 has made repeated edits to Fiona Bruce all vandalism see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fiona_Bruce&action=history ^{lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ} 08:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:X1

Hey, is your bot still the one that cleans this template? If so, it doesn't seem to be functioning; the page hasn't been cleared in about three days. Would you mind giving it a look? Thanks. GlassCobra 16:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Changing my font

Hi there Uncle G. I'm looking for a way to change the font on wikipedia to my desired preference in my monobook. The standard font looks bland and I want to create something more attractive. Font I think is very important in an encyclopedia which totals 1.41 billion words. PLease could you help me and give me some previews of different fonts i can use? Thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 13:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

P.s I'm pleased you edited Evil genius back in May but you didn't mention me from SPECTRE ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 13:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Intro and sandbox reset bot question

Howdy, just a pointer to a discussion thread at Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#Critical - intro and sandbox bot missing, that you might be interested in. Thanks :) --Quiddity 00:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:SodaStream.jpg

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re: Wikipedia is not a dictionary

Good morning, Uncle G. Would you care to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a dictionary (again)? I know it's a topic that you've been passionate about before. More voices in this discussion would be helpful. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Archimedes Plutonium

The Archimedes Plutonium article has been resurrected in a form different from the original (ca. Jun 2007). You might want to contribute to the ongoing discussion at the talk page, and maybe notify other interested editors (you're the first I've notified). — Loadmaster 15:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

meta:User:Uncle G's 'bot

Hello Uncle G,

I noticed that your bot has not edited the Meta sandbox lately. If you did not decide to shut it down, would you please restart it? Many thanks in advance. Best regards, Korg 03:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• I've restarted the 'bot. Uncle G 03:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much. Korg (talk) 16:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Ed Gauthier, et al.

Thanks for taking care of the situation and realizing that there was a pattern. In all honesty, I should've probably noticed the trend myself. — TKD::Talk 18:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Star Trek

Excellent work on Pon farr. Would you mind taking a stab at doing the same to Eugenics Wars, which is also at AfD? —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 03:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Joke Religions

I like your style but am somewhat puzzled by your lack of an overt conclusion in your comments in the AFD discussions for Frisbeetarianism and MOOism. Since these articles have some merit, I urge you to come off the fence. Colonel Warden 09:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Articles for deletion/Anti-Americanism in the United States

Thanks for the fix there. I am buggered if I can figure out what I did wrong, especially considering that I used the "preloaded debate," which I usually do not. Ah well, I guess I can blame it on hour, or the alcohol, but I suppose I just did something wrong. At any rate, thanks. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 05:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

• You had unmatched square brackets. Uncle G (talk) 05:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Link exchange edits

Many thanks for your speedy edits to improve the article on Link exchange. This facilitates reaching a beneficial consensus in the Afd and is a shining example of being bold! -Verdatum (talk) 22:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Good to see you back on WP and AfD! You're still listed as a missing Wikipedian, though.--Tikiwont (talk) 12:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

• It's great to see you again. Welcome back. :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 09:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
• It really is great to see you back! I checked several times after you stopped editing in June, but missed your resumption in October. Welcome back. Carcharoth (talk) 10:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Hans Hartman

Hi.

I nominated this article for speedy deletion as per WP:CSD#G1. You reverted my edit along with some other edits directly before mine that appeared to constitute vandalism and stated in the edit summary Reverted to most recent non-vandalized version. Some cleanup. I just wanted to ask you if you deleted my nomination because you disagreed with it or if you were just trying to blanket revert any recent vandalism and my legitimate nomination just slipped through the cracks. Please let me know so I can decide whether or not to renominate it.

Thanks. SWik78 (talk) 17:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

• You nominated it on the grounds that it was patent nonsense. The prior, unvandalized, version of the article is not patent nonsense, and does not qualify under any of our other criteria for speedy deletion. If you read the very notice that you added, it says to check the history. The reason for this is to ensure that articles aren't deleted simply because, as in this case, vandals replace almost all of their prior content with rubbish.

  I suggest that you now follow the procedure given in User:Uncle G/Wikipedia triage. Uncle G (talk) 17:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

  • You shouldn't imply that I didn't check the history. I did. And I still believed that it qualified as either WP:CSD#G1 OR WP:CSD#A1 and I decided to go with patent nonsense because, in my opinion, the article had no meaningful content. If you believe it doesn't qualify then that's fine, I'll leave it at that. But I just wanted to justify my nomination in case anyone decided to look at the history of the page and see that my edit was reverted by an administrator with the explanation of vandalism. Thanks. SWik78 (talk) 18:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I said nothing about whether you checked the history. I checked the history. Your justification is erroneous. Neither of those criteria applied to the non-vandalized form of the article that was in the history. There's plenty of meaningful content. There is also sufficient context for determining the article's subject, in the first line alone. Please read and familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Patent nonsense, and don't mis-use the speedy deletion criteria. Uncle G (talk) 18:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

First of all, I apologize for accusing you of implying something when in reality it was me that was guilty of implying it. It seems as though we'll just have to agree to disagree. I have read and familiarized myself with the speedy deletion criteria and my opinion and your opinion clearly differ on this issue. I will not renominate the article.

Thanks again. SWik78 (talk) 18:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I happened to notice this topic and assuming good faith, I've made an attempt to wikify it. I hope you'll find that it now inarguably fails to meet the criteria for Patent Nonsense, and that's a Good Thing. Cheers! -Verdatum (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Uncle G's bot

Just wondering if your bot will be TRANSWIKIing these Help pages again in the future? I am interested in getting these pages up-to-date with current information... κaτaʟaveno^T_C 18:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Good research on background behind astrosociobiology!

Just a kudo for that... It frightens me that there are people with substantial enough free time to spend making up words and then trying to make them stick! An interesting find in any light, and hopefully a bye-bye soon to that and the rest of the related terms... Psinu (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

What problems?

Your comment was not very clear on my comment page. what problem are you refering to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrswanson (talk • contribs) 15:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

• this problem. Learn to use the Show preview button and you won't have to do that. Uncle G 15:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Statler chicken

Nice catch on that raw new article I'd speedy tagged. I've really never heard of the dish before. Any good? The original version, I mean. I've had chicken with a leg more times than I can possibly remember. Lawrence Cohen 21:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

• I'd never heard of it, either. This is a good example of why all articles should have sources. I, as an editor who had never heard of the subject, was able to read the source cited and thence to fix the article, giving it the context that it lacked. Uncle G 01:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Tools to make editing easier

Uncle G, I am interested in increasing my time spent on WP. I am wanting to know if there are any tools (for example, software) that can make editing easier? My biggest difficulty is memorizing all of the many many template tags that WP has and I find myself spending more time searching for the appropriate tag than I do making the changes. I am spending alot of my time on Newpages Patrol and any recommendations you may make to make things easier will be appreciated. will381796 (talk) 05:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Schoen/Sequence of tenses

Uncle G, you have now expanded this article-to-be (and a good job as well, no comments there), but I fail to see how it shows that WJH was right and all others were wrong. I have commented on this on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard and would like your view and/or clarification. I have also replied to the vandal /rollback tool problem, clarifying that I never called WJH1992 a vandal (and even did the opposite), and that while I understand that using admin rollback mau be seen as accusations of vandalism, it was intended as "rollback of multiple incorrect edits", not as "rollback of vandalism". Fram (talk) 16:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Saint-Amour

I'm a bit bothered by your comments here, mostly because I'm the one telling people to do research. Look through my AFD contributions; I've dug up sources on lots of articles no one else wanted to deal with.

I did look through the all the resources I could access from my computer. But those only represent a fraction of the material that exists out there. If you're claiming that Google Books and Google News are comprehensive, then you're wrong (or you have a special version of those sites that I don't have). Zagalejo^^^ 19:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Rage (emotion)

I don't see a problem with closing this AfD. The nominator clearly stated "Nomination withdrawn, please close", so I did, as I see no point in keeping a clearly withdrawn AfD open. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 01:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• I didn't write that it was wrong for you to close it. I wrote that you've missed a bit. Uncle G (talk) 01:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• Do you mean that I forgot to remove the AfD tag? (Oops.) It looks like the nominator intended to remove the tag in this diff judging by his edit summary, but forgot to. I have removed the AfD tag. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 02:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Land Camera

You removed this reference from Land Camera, stating "Wikipedia is not a source", but the site in question states that the text there is copyright Research Machines plc, and is from the Hutchinson Encyclopedia. There's no mention of Wikipedia on the page to indicate WP as the original source. Am I missing something?--Michig (talk) 13:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• The text at the top of the article says "(redirected from Polaroid Land camera)". I possess a Hutchinson encyclopaedia. It's sitting here right beside me as I write this. It does not contain redirects. Uncle G (talk) 13:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • The site in question presents information sourced from both the Hutchinson Encyclopedia and (via the tab on the right hand side), Wikipedia. The URL I used as a reference included the text of the "Polaroid Camera" article from the Hutchinson Encyclopedia. The redirect from "Polaroid Land Camera", is, I believe, a redirect within the Farlex site, and doesn't indicate any redirect within Hutchinson. I've found another source for the Hutchinson article which doesn't mention Wikipedia anywhere on the page, so I've added that to Land Camera instead. --Michig (talk) 13:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I had already seen that you've found a better, and unambiguous, copy of the encyclopedia to cite. Citing content aggregators on the World Wide Web is always a bad choice. Uncle G (talk) 13:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Misinformation

Well done. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 20:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• It was just a couple of paragraphs. Now Hormonal meat (AfD discussion), on the other hand, is proving to be a lot tougher. Uncle G (talk) 23:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chiral_life_concept

Hi, Uncle G. I see that you've weighed in on this AfD, refuting most of the keep'ers points, but you yourself have not given your opinion on whether it should be kept or deleted. If this wasn't an oversight, please just ignore this, I only wanted to make sure that if you wanted to actually give your opinion on the issue, you didn't forget to. Cheers, Storkk (talk) 13:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Your AFD Comments

I noticed in a few AFD discussions you state:

• Please do not abuse the Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion.

I was wondering if you could explain that comment. I will sometimes tag something as Speedy delete per A7 (as an example). Is that not an appropriate comment? Thanks in advance Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 14:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

• It's below comments where editors have recommended "speedy delete" as the action to take, but there is no speedy deletion criterion that actually applies. Uncle G (talk) 15:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • OK... so as long as we site our reason code and explain the rational is it ok to use speedy delete in an AFD discussion? Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 15:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
    • It's fine to recommend that as an action, as long as one of the speedy deletion criteria actually applies. See the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. Uncle G (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Ok great. Thanks for the info. That is what I did here and I did not want to be out of line. Cheers Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 15:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The blasphemy

Good idea: I was going to do the same if a third article (inevitably) was submitted. I couldn't quite stretch any CSD categories in good conscience to speedy delete, short of just IAR'ing. Acroterion _(talk) 16:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misinformation

Great job. Bearian (talk) 18:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean Belmain

Add the cite in, which you referenced, and close the afd already. This is the mother of all backlogs. Bearian (talk) 19:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

• I've added the citations, but I don't close discussions that I've participated in. I'd prefer an uninvolved administrator to do so. Uncle G (talk) 19:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for working hard on improving Hormonal Meat.

Why I put general, books, and scholar search links[12] before was to make it easier for others to start adding to the article, but unfortunately some editors interpret such search links as lack of verifiable sources.

Lakinekaki (talk) 00:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

• What happened was a combination of several things:
  • You added hyperlinks to Google search results to the article, in the "References" section. But doing that is, to more experienced editors, a classic sign of original research. People who write original research and want to "prove" that it is true (rather than demonstrate that it is verifiable and not original research) often hyperlink to Google search results, rather than to actual sources. A hyperlink to a Google search result is not a citation of a source.
  • You chose a bad title for the article. "Hormonal meat" isn't the name of the subject. Again, such titles often indicate original research.
  • You wanted to point out to future editors how the article could be further developed, but didn't use the article's talk page, which is there for that very purpose, to do so. The "References" section of an article is for citations of the actual sources that you used to construct the article.
  • Rather than simply use xyr rename button to fix the article title, Avruch took the article to AFD. There is an unfortunate tendency amongst some editors to consider deletion to be their first, and sometimes only, resort. It is not. Non-administrators have plenty of editing tools at their disposal for merging, renaming, refactoring, expanding, and improving articles. An administrator hitting a delete button is not always the way to fix an article.
  • Despite the fact that I cited several sources that mention the subject by its name (sometimes even in their very titles), and even put the name in boldface in the introduction, Avruch remained fixed upon searching for the article title, not getting my hints, by demonstration, that the only things wrong with the article could be fixed by hitting the rename button and the edit button, without need for an administrator to hit a delete button, without need to come to AFD, and which xe could have done xyrself straightaway.
• Uncle G (talk) 13:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I generally agree with the things you said, just want to add few points:

• • In the past when WikiPedia was not so popular, it was recommended in tutorial that users leave unfinished sentences, and make obvious mistakes so that others would engage more easily in the editing of an article. I understand that for existing established articles, one needs to back up with reference every statement, but since this was very first edit of a new article, I thought that leaving it obviously in draft form and with [citations needed] tag, would engage editors to do something about it (didn't expect AfD tag!).
  • I didn't link to specific references as I really had no idea someone would challenge the topic of the article as non notable.

Lakinekaki (talk) 12:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Money Merge Account

I take issue with your deletion of this topic... the topic was created specifically to provide unbiased and factual definition / information in the public domain about a financial fraud scheme... in general "merge accounts" and specifically "money merge account". The topic while not perfectly written, was factually correct and cited with contemporaneous independant references spanning multiple countries and continents.

There was repeted vandalism of the topic, (both full and partial blanking) in an attempt by salesmen of theses schemes to convert the topic to advirtising ... however, that is not a valid reason for deletion! (rather it is reason to undo the vandalism and evidence that the topic is contemporaneous). It's bad enough to deal with the repeated vandalism... then also to have to deal with incorrect deletion is a little much.

It seems from your contribution list that your are a frequent deleter, and while necessary on wikipedia, in this particular instance I believe that you have erred, and that your stated rationalle (below) shows that you didn't examin the history of the topic prior to your deletion.

"23:04, 23 March 2007 Uncle G (Talk | contribs) deleted "Money Merge Account" ‎ (Blantant advertising for a product, written in the first person and addressing the reader in the second person)

Likely the topic was vandalized into advirtising... that vabndalism should have been reverted rather than deleting the topic.

Please undo your deletion.

If you wish to contribute to the particular topic in a constructive manner, I suggest that you can work to undo future vandalism of this topic "money merge account", and in general prevent the removal of valid information from the public domain. Economic Crimes Unit (talk) 14:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

• I am not going to undo the deletion that I did, 7 months before your account was even created, of a blatant advertisement that was as described in the deletion summary and that had exactly 3 edits in its history. You will almost certainly not find any administrator willing to restore that content. Uncle G (talk) 14:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

My apologies Uncle G... I had may dates wrong, really I didn't read it properly. You were the 2nd person of now 3 to delete this topic (one prior was spelled without caps) and you were correct in doing what you did last March, as the topic was being used exclusively for advirtising, as you correctly stated! Subsequently, it was re-created and it had been doing pretty good for almost 8 months, untill it was repeatedly vandalized and converted to advirtising, and again deleted.

Can you help me understand what actions are necessary to partially lock a topic so as to prevent unregistered users from blanking and vandalizing content?

Thanks, and sorry for painting you with a broad brush. Economic Crimes Unit (talk) 19:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: "Officer Coon"

Trouble is, here in the UK we don't have racoons, so the only time you ever hear the word "coon" (or used to, times are more enlightened now) is as an ethnic slur à la line 3 of Coon, never Racoon. "Officer Coon" is as offensive to a UK eye as "Officer Nigger" would be, and for the same reason. Cheers, Tonywalton ^Talk 23:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

You can buy 'Coon' cheese in Australia and there aren't any racoons there either. Nick mallory (talk) 15:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Genetic memory rewrite

Hi, I've done a major addition/rewrite of the genetic memory article. Since you've done much of the rewriting before me, please check that I didn't mangle your references etc. I deleted some of what was there before as it seemed redundant, but please feel free to tweak if you disagree. Thanks! - tameeria (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

• Well done. Just remember that everything needs a source, so that it remains stable and does not become an original research magnet. Start unsourced "X in fiction" or "X in popular culture" sections, and you'll usually end up, weeks, months, or years down the road, with a mass of original research as editors accrue, usually in a big list with little to no overall explanatory content, instances of what in their personal opinions exemplifies "X" in fiction/popular culture, often dwarfing the rest of the article. This has happened time and again in the history of Wikipedia. Nip it in the bud. Uncle G (talk) 00:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Personal Award

		The Eyes of the Vigilant
		For your efforts on saving articles from Afd, the latest of which is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chief sustainability officer--Lenticel (talk) 12:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Would you be interested in improving my essay? I think deletionists need to at least look at it before placing articles on Xfd.--Lenticel ^(talk) 12:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

• I disagree with calling people names. I don't recall ever having seen the use of either "deletionist" or "inclusionist" improve a discussion. Uncle G (talk) 00:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Dead Playboy Playmates

Hi, could you restore this to my user space? Thanks, Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 05:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

SteamFur

Hi Uncle G i think SteamFur is a sockpuppet who has vandalised wikipedia under many different accounts. Shouldn't his IP address be blocked? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 12:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

• The software will handle that automatically. And, if my reading of Special:Ipblocklist is correct, it already has, 26 seconds after I revoked the account's editing privileges. Uncle G (talk) 14:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

That's all. Yngvarr 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

PeterIto

Thanks for you guidance, you certainly have 'uncle' like qualities :). I do feel as if I am climbing a ice cliff at the momment and mentoring is very much appreciated. The refeences are a real fiddle to enter, I do hear your comments about publication dates etc, but I think I am going to go through the article first and get it all roughly right and the then read up about finessing the citations, adding publication dates and RSS readers etc. Do bear with me, I am enjoying the challenge (I think) and will work on in over the next 10 days. What I can't do is proof read it. I was hoping that someone else would pile in and do that for me (my friend seems to be being unreliable) btw, I assume somone will remove the 'delete' message at some pointPeterIto (talk) 07:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

AFD: Iomanip

I have provided an opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iomanip which I would appreciate your considering. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:35, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christofascist

I don't think much has changed, except WP:NEO to WP:SYNTH. Bearian (talk) 17:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Speedy close of a "merge and delete" nomination

Thank you for this. The number of nominations and arguments for deletion cluttering up AfD (can I call it "deletecruft"? :) ) involving "the content belongs somewhere else", "this article should be merged with that article and deleted", "merge and delete", "delete and merge" is overwhelming, and it's about time an administrator dealt with with this problem swiftly and promptly. DHowell (talk) 05:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Temporal Finitism

I have written "NOMINATION WITHDRAWN - changed to speedy keep" in the AfD debate for this - I don't know if there's a way to withdraw an AfD, but as nominator I should now be happy for you to close this, after your thoroughly encyclopedic rewrite. JohnCD (talk) 14:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Notepad+

On another text editor debate...I have learned that Notepad+ is mentioned rather trivially in seven books. [13] Would you consider this to be "significant coverage"? As usual, web searches turn up nothing... hbdragon88 (talk) 09:59, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Sequence of tenses

Thanks, the sequence of tenses article looks good. I'd better actually write the Latin part, which will refresh my memory of the Latin rule. I'm glad to see that article finally in the main namespace! Schoen (talk) 04:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Naftali Tzvi Weisz at AfD

As indicated by those participating in the AfD, the clear consenus is that Rabbi Weisz is notable above and beyond the one particular incident. The article as it stood before you took it upon yourself to disregard consensus provided multiple reliable sources to support all of the claims made in the article. As WP:BLP states, "If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented by reliable published sources, it belongs in the article — even if it's negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it." The solution to your claim of WP:BLP issues or news issues is to tag the article and request additional material to be added. Even if you could justify issues of WP:BLP, as there are clear claims of notability, the appropriate action would have been to turn the article into a stub and allow for expansion. I encourage you to read the content of the responses in the AfD describing a clear consensus of notability and to take action to remedy the deletion and respect both consensus and your obligations under Wikipedia policy to take the least disruptive actions in closing an AfD, regardless of your personal biases. If not, the next step will be to address your actions at DRV. Alansohn (talk) 16:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

• My obligation under Wikipedia policy is the same as yours: to create neutral, encyclopaedic, and accurate biographies. A simple mention in a list of people charged and arrested is not satisfactory source material for a biography and is nowhere near the standards of in-depth source material that are required for creation of a biographical article. A purported biography of a living person who has lived for several decades that is in fact a news report of that person being but one of a group of people who have simply been arrested is a sham as a biography, and not something that Wikipedia should contain even as a stub.

  I read the entire discussion. As I pointed out in the closure, not a single editor, including you, responded to a request for sources documenting this person in any depth, and I couldn't find any either. As you well know this is a precondition for having a biography. Despite that, and despite the fact that I made this point in the closure, you have still not presented any sources here, either. You are making no effort whatsoever to convince the rest of us that a biography can be written about this person, and your argument that the cited sources were about this person ring hollow to those of us who have actually read those sources and seen that they don't tell us anything but one fact about this person. Your sole argument is that you are able to create a sourced news report on a single set of arrests. This is an encyclopaedia. Please do your journalism in a newspaper. If you are going to write encyclopaedia articles, write them properly. They are not news reports. Uncle G (talk) 17:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I didn't know that they made horse quite that high. I'm not sure what you read in the AfD discussion or where on earth you did your research on notability, but you shamelessly disregarded the clearest possible statements that Rabbi Weisz is notable. Rather than trying to solve the problem that additional context was needed, you utterly disregarded consensus and decided to spit in the faces of those who clearly stated that the subject is notable and delete the article in the most disruptive manner possible. Above and beyond the fact that you made no demands for additional biographical details and sources either in the AfD or -- most disturbingly -- in the article using one of the many tags designed for such purpose, all you had to do was turn the article into a stub to accomplish your goal. That you could so clearly take action in the face of the clearest possible agreement among editors to do the exact opposite violates WP:POINT in the clearest manner possible. Alansohn (talk) 21:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Scally

An article that you have been involved in editing, Scally, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scally (2nd nomination). Thank you. --BJBot (talk) 18:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Durban Strategy

An article that you have been involved in editing, Durban Strategy, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Durban Strategy (2nd nomination). Thank you. --BJBot (talk) 03:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

German Charles-Ferdinand University closinf Afd

You have absolutely no right to close AfD without consensus. Do it one more time and I will report you to the administrators. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 09:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• Please read the black-on-yellow text at the top of this page, as well as the boldface text that I placed in the closure notice. Uncle G (talk) 09:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Uncle G/Archive. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion, but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and "no personal attack" policies. Thank you. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 09:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, sorry. Your reasons there were not clear for me, I understood them on the ANI where several guys explained them, mainly someguy. Happy editing. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 09:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 28 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article temporal finitism, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 03:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

My dear Uncle. G

Apologies for calling you an idiot duing the deletion debate for the Lord of Darkness article and thank you for your contribudtions to the discussion. I get a bt protective of my articles you see and have a tendency to lash out. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, --Illustrious One (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Voice type and Voice classification debate

Uncle G I do not understand why you are continuing to try and merge voice classification under voice type. First, voice type is not cited and is therefore an unreliable and bad artice. Voice classification is well cited and is therefore the superior of the two articles. Second, voice classification is the broader topic and should therefore be the title of the page. Open any vocal pedagogy book and look at the chapter titles. What is a title? "Voice Classification". And what is a section inside that chapter? "voice type". Sorry to talk to you so condescendingly but I am a little frusterated.Nrswanson (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Armless

As you can see, the ref that appears in the article is malformed. Any help you can offer confirming this information is appreciated. —Viriditas | Talk 19:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Nrswanson

Editors familiar with this case are encouraged to add evidence. / edg ☺ ☭ 05:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Need advice on a problematic article

I have some serious concerns about the article Asian fetish, which has been nominated for deletion about half a dozen times (once by myself). There are a few dozen entries (of varying degrees of relevance) on Google Books, but very few on Google Scholar. JSTOR, a major database of scholarly articles, only has one hit. As a result, the article is frequently overrun with low-quality sources and POV-pushing. A recent edit war was sparked by a user who insisted upon including two blog posts as citations. The article as it exists also has a couple of citations from student newspapers, which I think are questionable sources. I've also questioned whether AsianWeek, a relatively minor publication that was involved in a racist incident a couple years back, should be considered a reliable source; the article as it exists relies upon it heavily.

You've done some excellent work at cleaning up articles. Is there any chance you could help out here, either with advice or editing? *** Crotalus *** 17:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd give you a barnstar...

But actually you deserve the entire barn. Thanks for your work on Nrswanson's idiosyncracies, I will try to help out here as soon as I get back home (tomorrow) to my singing texts. Guy (Help!) 19:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)