User talk:TopGun/Archives/2012/July

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Blocked

You were released from your interaction ban with DarknessShines just a few days ago, under the expectation that you would go concentrate on content editing, engage in constructive discussion with DS on the mediation, and be otherwise on your absolute best behaviour. Today, you saw fit to join in the editing of that miserable "WP:Sockophobia" essay, under its previous name that made it absolutely clear that it was directed at DS and his issues with the Nangparbat harasser. Your edits to it involved the addition of a long list of "symptoms", which, under these circumstances, can only be read as veiled accusations against DS.

I really, really, really can't see how you could possibly believe that was a good idea in your situation. I have blocked you for another week. (Note that I had this block decided and this message typed out before I saw your latest posting on my talkpage.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:16, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

TopGun/Archives/2012 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I did not create it and none of my contributions to that essay related to DS, rather to issues in general. Feel free to check. The list was not against DS at all. Read the list and compare it with what WP:DBQ says. It is just an elaboration of that! If you can still not see good faith on my part, see that I was the one who moved it to the neutral title WP:Sockophobia. So, basically I participate in a developing essay, get stalked there by DS (that's how he got there) and when he nominated it at MFD, I change the essay to a neutral title from one that I did not add and I'm blocked. Excellent. --lTopGunl (talk) 11:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You are not going to get yourself unblocked by continuing to make accusations against DS. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

On a side note, DS is hounding me repeatedly and I've reported him on Salvio's talkpage. NP is not just following DS.. he is also following me, and DS uses that as an excuse to follow me too and revert my edits. Even editwarred with NP on my talkpage instead of letting me revert. And blanked my comment from his talkpage when I notified him of letting me handle stuff on my own talkpage. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:01, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Dude, the main point here is that you should not be discussing/talking about DS anywhere on WP in view of the IBAN. Assuming that DS is really stalking/hounding you, he will be getting his pie soon enough when it is proven true. For now, take the hint and go for a short break, then come back to discuss this when your mind is clearer. Goodnight~! (PS: Oh~! And you might want to read up too on → WP:Gaming the system ← while you are away...) --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
No, the IBAN is removed... this was not related to DS but to me. Nangparbat also follows me, not just DS... and in light of that many editors revert any new editor making any edits calling it sock. That essay was a good one on that. It might be against WP:DENY, but I was the one who changed it to a neutral title and removed anything that might point to DS. It's another poor block. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

TopGun/Archives/2012 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I did not make any accusation against DS in my unblock request. I did say that there's no other way that he could have gotten to that page other than reading my contributions (or probably SMS's), but when that happens in my case, I still stay away from his articles. He did not and I reported DS for that before I posted that unblock request or even before I got blocked and that is not related to my block, so I don't see how that reason stands for the decline? I simply edited an essay about every one calling all new editors socks and I was the one who moved it away from the one pointing to DS. See the last request. [1] [2] - this was a poor block. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

If you poke a bear, do not be surprised when you are growled at. The essay was clearly aimed at another editor with whom you have been involved in many conflicts, in the past, so much so that a now-revoked interaction ban had to be imposed between the two of you. As such, your actions were incredibly ill-advised and could be perceived as inflammatory by a reasonable person. It is for these reasons that I find this block sound and am therefore upholding it. Salvio Let's talk about it! 07:09, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

TopGun/Archives/2012 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

My actions were moving it to a neutral status evidently (with the diff given above) and not starting it. --lTopGunl (talk) 07:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

That's not the point. Declined, as request does not address the reasons for the block. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 20:30, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Half of me thinks we, the admin corps, should just screw off and let you two go at it, indirectly making jabs at each other, because, hey, if two people want to go at it, as long as it's not in the article space, who cares? Besides, maybe he was just using his experience in the area to better content on Wikipedia. The other part of me says that you're continually poking at the bear (as Salvio said), despite a history of getting bitten by said bear, and then you act shocked when you get blocked. You personally asked me to use my administrator mojo to stop someone for doing something that was just a hair worse from what you did here,[3] the only difference being you didn't explicitly name Darkness Shines. And these people didn't even have an interaction ban with you. In your eyes, it's fine to attack all you want, interaction ban issues and all, as long as names aren't named, but as soon as someone names a name, it's game over. This is a pedantic and bureaucratic view of how the community handles its affairs.
I might even consider your unblock request under the auspices of WP:AGF, but, as usual, you've done a spectacular job of deflecting any blame via WP:NOTTHEM reasoning and admitting none on your part. Talking about how Darkness Shines has worse behavior than you will not get you unblocked. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Or you might look at it a third way. I found the essay and I tried to move it away from DS and NP, renaming it and removing NP related information and yet adding what is actually happening in the topic area. DS might not even be doing all what I wrote there. If you look at my contributions there, they are all what any reasonable person would agree with about dealing new comers. As for NOTTHEM, if you read I reported DS before I was blocked on a separate note, and I noted it below my unblock request separately as a side note. Even my current request contains only facts about my own contributions. Everyone's been starting such mud throwing contests around here lately and throwing out barnstars with personal attacks in them... they were not blocked on while I was blocked on re adding my own comment and now on this, but even leaving that aside what I did was simply cover an issue. If you see that essay's history mine are the only contributions that are moving it away from the conflict. If I hadn't contributed to it, it would still have been "NANGAPHOBIA" on it's title and being continued in the conflict till closure (and I was not expecting some one to close it early either, yet I changed it to address the conflict). Even SMS who created that essay, in my opinion was doing it in good faith, he doesn't even have any disputes with DS.. but when an uninvolved person notices the WP:CRAP (oh DS wrote this one) going around the topic area and addresses the issue I would obviously be the first one to participate in that. Maybe he did not deal it in the best manner but none of what was written in the essay was explicit, it was actually supposed to be in general... if my attempt to improve that gets me a block, I guess I shouldn't try improving anything that is in the conflict and let it get stuff deleted out right... --lTopGunl (talk) 06:31, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
You should not be editing anything that is in any way connected with DS, at all - nothing, zilch. Just how hard is that to understand? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
It was also in connection to me.. more than it was to DS and my edits changed something that could be assumed to be pointing at DS to completely neutral. I've made my case on both above. --lTopGunl (talk) 10:29, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

{{unblock|1=I did not get the last decline at all. I was blocked because I contributed to that essay... that ''is'' the reason for the block being addressed that my contributions to the essay were positive and moved it to a neutral state. See last two requests. Also, why am I blocked for a week straight away. All the previous related blocks were not correct and reverted. My blocks for editwar have not been repeated either after the 1RR sanction back in feb. My block log is as such clean and this is improper escalation. --lTopGunl (talk) 07:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)}}

Nangaparbat

Is it Nangaparbat? Same location, same topic area. --SMS Talk 18:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Not him probably but I'm tracking.. I already requested protection.. revert away. Removing huge chunks of sourced content while giving edit summary for something else. The IP just got out of block for the same. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:05, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah probably right, he only follows you and make others do so too. This guy more seems interested in content pushing. --SMS Talk 12:46, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

You might like to change your name?

I may sound a little rude but your username is similar to a banned user: User:Top Gun. ༆ (talk) 19:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I usurped this user name, and found out about the banned just recently. It doesn't matter... I'm a different person and been on wiki probably since before he was. Cheers. --lTopGunl (talk) 06:54, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you please be my mentor?

Hi I'm 28 years old, i'm a new wikipedia user, I have a cognitive condition that I don't want to specify, but you please be mentor to help me use wikipedia? WP:ADOPT thanks. Narwhalgal84 (talk) 02:30, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I've not mentored any one before and not really aware of the procedure but you can surely ask me for any help or guidance related to editing and policy whenever you need. --lTopGunl (talk) 06:58, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Mediation

There is a proposal by Darkness Shines of an example to work on. [4] Would you be willing to work on this? Alternatively, you could propose an alternate example, or examples. Sunray (talk) 20:35, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Let me take a look and reply there. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding edit in Partition of India

Hi! Of course I do not mind discussing it in the talk page. I found the talk page discussion was rather a discussion between you and Vaibhav Jain on wiki behavior than a discussion on the topic! See you there.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, sorry it was a content discussion before he came in to hijack it; I gave complete details of what sources really said there. Will wait for your reply. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:31, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

1RR

You have broken your 1r restrict ion on Partition of India. Please self revert. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:45, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Consider reading the talk page. Edits made after getting a consensus in-line with it are not editwar not to mention 3RR/1RR. And it is best that you avoid monitoring my edits when they are not in dispute with you now that the IBAN is removed to stay out of trouble. --lTopGunl (talk) 19:28, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I have read the talk page[5] That is not really a consensus. Good luck using that should you get reported for you violation. And I am not "monitoring your edits". See you at mediation Darkness Shines (talk) 19:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
The editor who reverted me (also the only one who discussed) has no objection. WP:NINJAs do not make consensus. An admin will clearly be able to see through this discussion or a silly report filed at this. I have no problem. I can handle my own 1RR. --lTopGunl (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration clarification. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Amendment request: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

Thanks, Magog the Ogre (talk) 20:12, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

request for comment

i would like you to comment on this thread on my talk page. [6]-- altetendekrabbe  08:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Will check... a bit stuffed at the moment.. hope it's open for some time. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:13, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Got something for you

Hi, thanks alot... I saw this one before ;) --lTopGunl (talk) 12:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Operation Dwarka

I made some changes to the page (and some to the Talk page) of the above article. Since you appear to be a major contributor to the article, I thought I will post about it here so you can take a look. Piyush (talk) 10:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I've replied you on talk. There's an old debate there already which should address the concerns. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:13, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Chess

Do you know how to save a game after it is completed; am I allowed to create a sub-sub page to archive a game? Ankh.Morpork 15:26, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Sure, why not. That's what Bmusician did before he requested that his chess game pages be deleted. (talk page stalker) Double sharp (talk) 10:07, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Question

I've asked you a question here. Would you be able to respond? Sunray (talk) 15:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Asif Ali Zardari

I have initiated a discussion here. Since you are an experienced editor who was involved on the page, I am inviting you to contribute to it. Thanks! Anir1uph (talk) 05:39, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I was busy before.. I guess you've got enough editors there now. --lTopGunl (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Opinion needed

Hello, TopGun. You have new messages at RegentsPark's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Mar4d (talk) 04:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

 Replied & watching. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Pakistan Zindabad for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pakistan Zindabad is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakistan Zindabad until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. DBigXray 15:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

Barnstar by User:Justice007 copied to user page. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Hi, TopGun Though there are unjust rules or behaviours, but there is justice too.
An appreciation Barnstar
An appreciation barnstar in recognition of your all past and for future work on Wikipedia. Justice007 (talk) 15:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks alot for the appreciation Justice. You're right :] --lTopGunl (talk) 14:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

1RR restriction removed

FYI. [7]. --regentspark (comment) 19:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Thank you. --lTopGunl (talk) 20:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Message

Good to go! --SMS Talk 08:09, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TopGun/Archives/2012/July&oldid=1143539315"