User talk:Tlafond

Hello, Tlafond! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already loving Wikipedia you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Happy editing! Tony Fox (arf!) 20:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Getting Started Wikipedia Tutorial • The five pillars of Wikipedia How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Community Portal • Adopt-a-user program Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • Resolving disputes Build consensus • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Pages needing attention • Peer review Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Your Help Desk query

I've replied to your query at the above link. Cheers! Tony Fox (arf!) 20:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Tlafond! My name is Scoutersig. I noticed that you are working on Delta Lambda Psi and had a question about capitalization. Current policy is to capitalize all the Greek letters in fraternity names, such as Sigma Chi. If you have more questions, just ask! —ScouterSig 20:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Delta Lambda Psi

Hello, you used the {{helpme}} tag. How may I help you? When you've asked your question, please put the tag back so we know to check back. Alternatively, you can join the #wikipedia-en-help IRC channel to get real-time help. (Click here for instant access.)--Werdan7^{T @} 00:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi there from me also! Thanks for your message on my talk page here. I am also happy to help. Basically what is needed here is a source of some kind which discusses this organisation. A third-party source published in any form of media would be ideal. If you know of one on the web, for example, please type the URL here or at Talk:Delta Lambda Psi and I'll be able to help more productively - I have not found one thus far and it is needed per the Wikipedia policy called WP:V. Thanks a lot - and I'm sorry that Wikipedia can seem complicated and demanding. See it as a bumbling but friendly robot... Best regards --TreeKittens 00:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Sorry to keep bugging you, but just wanted to inform you that the article has been listed for deletion by another user per our policy WP:CSD#A7. I have marked it as contested, so you have little while to find a source. I have scoured the web, but haven't found one. I'm sorry if this all seems so complicated and stressful. Thanks, --TreeKittens 01:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Delta Lambda Psi

I'd like to help you with this article; however, I'm a little concerned about your intentions. Wikipedia is not a social networking site by any means; so if your purpose is to hook up with other fraternities and sororites, I'm afraid that's not really acceptable. If you'd like to write a nonbiased encyclopedia article, then, by all means, stay. As noted on your talk page, your article has two main issues: first, it's essentially written like an ad for the article. As I said, the "our"s and "we"s strewn throughout the article, as well as peacock terms like "dedicated" and "strong-willed," it is very clear that someone in the organization wrote the article. Please read up on Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy to improve the article in this area. The other issue with the article is slightly larger: In order to establish notability, our articles here need to have sources and references from neutral, third-party sources, like newspapers and magazines (not blogs). Please read our notability policy, as well as our reliable source guidelines in order to improve the article and save it from deletion. Drop me a line on my talk page if you have any more questions, okay? Good luck! GlassCobra 00:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Delta Lambda Psi (new message)

Hi again Tlafond, and thanks for your message on my talk page here and here. I am not very experienced here yet, but I understand your concern. Unfortunately, Wikipedia makes it much easier to add an article than it does to get it to stay here for long, and this causes a lot of unnecessary problems. Your article was deleted by User:SchuminWeb, an administrator, per WP:CSD#A7. Technically, if the article made a claim of notability for the organisation it would not be deleted under this particular rule. Nevertheless, it would probably still be deleted eventually unless (as stated above), it could demonstrate significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. The sources you mention do not really constitute such coverage. Sure - there are still articles here that don't meet that requirement but Wikipedia deletes hundreds of them every week. As your organisation does not yet seem to have attracted the attention of third-party sources, it was only a matter of time before it was deleted by either WP:CSD#A7 WP:PROD or WP:AfD. If you are interested in promoting the organisation, you would probably be better off at MySpace, Facebook or other websites. Essentially, Wikipedia is supposed to merely paraphrase reliable sources (such as books and journals) - we are a tertiary source. If you disagree, there is a process called Wikipedia:Deletion review. I strongly suggest that you consider carefully the comments above first though. There is more information at Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. If your organisation is covered significantly in the press or something, then there is no problem with having an article. Sorry dude - that's just how we roll. Best regards --TreeKittens 23:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)