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Help with Citrix Systems re: GoTo sale

Hi, Timtempleton. I noticed you added the spinoff of the GoTo product line to the Citrix Systems article a while back and I was wondering if you'd mind checking out my updates for the material now that the merger is complete. I am making the suggestions on behalf of Citrix, so I don't want to change anything in the article myself. You can view my suggested revisions on the Talk page here in the "Updating re: GoTo products sale" section. Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 18:16, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Explanation about the editing in 'Titan Sports Media Group'

Titan is not a mistranslation. In China people usually translate the names of their organizations, companies according to pinyin.Here the pinyin of 体坛 is Titan —— so its English name is Titan Sports Media Group, just coincidentally the same name as the Greek divine beings. But here titan refers to 'Sports field', as its Chinese characters indicate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ujishadow (talk • contribs) 11:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I was trying to reword the verbiage to make your meaning more clear, and I may have misinterpreted what you were trying to say. I will revisit later. Timtempleton (talk) 16:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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Kirill Tatarinov

 Done Hi Timtempleton! I'm working on the entry for Kirill Tatarinov, the CEO of Citrix. You've helped my Beutler Ink colleague before with edits to Citrix Systems, so I was wondering if you would be able to review two passages I'm suggesting be added to the article? I found new details in recent sources that I think will make his entry more robust. You can have a look at the new material in my Talk page note. I am working on behalf of Citrix to suggest the changes, so I won't make the changes myself. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 13:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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I commented on your talk page. I'd like more time to work on the article - I'm not sure what was promotional. Please discuss on the article talk page. Thanks. Timtempleton (talk) 14:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

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June 2017

Hello, I'm El cid, el campeador. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Re your edit summary - calling a source 'obviously false' and 'conservative' makes your edit look biased. I'm not saying the source is correct, I'm just telling you to make sure you stay neutral. Thanks! Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador ‡ _ᐁT₳LKᐃ 20:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I left a response on your talk page. For interested readers, here's the edit in question [[1]]. I normally stay out of the political fray on Wikipedia, but with the horrific shooting today, I went to Representative Scalise's article to learn his political positions, and was surprised to read an obviously false statement backed up with overlinking. I don't think the statement should have been allowed in the article, especially since the writer doesn't seem to be notable, which I can only attribute to an overeagerness to be neutral and include all perspectives, but it's there nonetheless. Rather than delete it, and potentially be more controversial, I added qualifying info from the NY Times that shows the info to be false - info that was already in the article - I just reused the ref name. In my edit summary, I made it clear that the statement was false and that the sites used as sourcing are well known conservative sites, but nothing in my actual edit was anything but factual and encylopedic. You can decide for yourself. Part of why the original phrase was troubling to me is that false political news has inflamed societal tensions on both sides of the aisle, and may very well have been a factor in today's shooting. Let's not inflame people with lies and misrepresentations. Bigger picture, it is also a bit concerning that factual info that is beyond reproach might be considered for deletion not on its own merits, but if another editor knows that the person who added the info feels strongly one way or another. Edits should be judged on their own merits. Oddly, contrary to the above statement, the edit was not reverted (as of Wednesday night) - not sure why. But, since I was approached on my talk page, I wanted to defend the edit. Perhaps El Cid reconsidered after rereading what I wrote, or got sidetracked and may still delete my edit. Timtempleton (talk) 00:41, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I never intended to delete your edit, otherwise I already would have. I was essentially just advising you to not make political statements in edit summaries because people use that type of thing to invalidate otherwise valid edits. Sorry if this 'warning' seemed uncool but it really has no effect on you as a user, unless you violate it 5 times consecutively in a short amount of time. Feel free to delete the warning, but the sentiment behind it remains. I have no problem with your edit, and in fact if I were you I would have deleted the sentence itself (which I might do depending on the research I perform after posting this) Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador ‡ _ᐁT₳LKᐃ 00:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying - and you seem more measured than I am, so if you decide to remove the line that would be great. It seems to me to be pandering to a conservative base. And thanks again for the tip. Someone joked once that the shorter the edit summary, the less likely it is to be reverted. "CE" is never reverted. lol Timtempleton (talk) 01:11, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

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Objectivism discussion

I don't know why the content fork in Objectivism (Ayn Rand) and Objectivist movement occurred. But I will investigate and see if there is any prior discussion. Often there isn't any, or very little, in these situations, but every once in awhile there is an articulated good reason. I agree that at first blush the two could be merged with a net benefit. If not merged it is often possible to get a proper scope worked into the lead of each article so that subsequent editors are provided with some guidance. I'll look into it, and let you know what I find. As to the deleted article, I just did not find encyclopedic content. --Bejnar (talk) 20:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. And would I be off to say that it's possible that Objectivism is unpopular here? To me it seems absolutely contrary to the ideals of an encyclopedia of volunteers, collectively and unselfishly working to achieve something bigger than themselves. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:58, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Apparently not entirely alien. There was a WikiProject that was active 2006 through 2011: Wikipedia:WikiProject Objectivism. It is worth taking a look at their page. I found that there has been a lot of edit warring over the years on the various Ayn Rand articles, and a huge amount of discussion. One of the points at issue was the allegation that the movement was a "cult". There are 49 archive pages for Talk:Ayn Rand, and 14 for Talk:Objectivism (Ayn Rand). The Objectivism (Ayn Rand) article was created in August 2001, originally entitled Objectivism, then Objectivist philosophy. Objectivist movement was proposed in December 2004 and created in February 2005, although without much discussion, and was split off from Objectivism (Ayn Rand) with this edit. It was done by Philwelch, who basically quit editing in 2011. Having gone through this exercise, I see the logic in having the two articles, which does not mean that some clean-up wouldn't be in order. I haven't quite finished thinking about the scope issue. --Bejnar (talk) 01:24, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

quite a few of the people prominent in the first few years thought they were very much influenced by Rand, at least at the time. My impression is that make people with a attraction towards anarchism tend to have an idiosyncratic accumulation of concepts. DGG ( talk ) 01:52, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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I'll look at it again today or tomorrow. My apologies for not keeping track of it. DGG ( talk ) 16:29, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. No rush - I just like the challenge. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:39, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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Out of curiosity, how many Kennedy-Western students have you talked with. Do you know how much work it takes to earn a degree at KWU? Maybe you need to research a bit more. Sunshine Warrior04 (talk) 01:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Nothing personal - I'm just going on the sources. I'd never heard of the school before this. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Terror guideline

Hello, at this AfD you discussed a hypothetical policy for terror-related articles; in principle, I agreed with what you had to say. Could we work out an actual policy on such incidents or an additional line to an already-existing guideline? Unfortunately, we need something more clear-cut than WP:NOTNEWS or WP:EVENTCRIT -- something even staunch news inclusionists cannot ignore or misconstrue.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:14, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I like that idea. I have participated in two terror event AfD discussions - one I voted keep that was kept and one I voted delete that was deleted, so I think I have a general idea of what is notable and what isn't. It might be useful to identify other terror-related AfD discussions and then synthesize as much feedback and potential opposition as possible before writing something. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:39, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I have participated in nearly a dozen terror-related AfDs; unfortunately, the discussions are ugly and it whittles down to the same 4 or 5 "regulars" who habitually vote keep. I think, in this proposed guideline:

1) a significant long-term societal or political impact needs to have already been established. The coverage itself cannot be argued as being that said impact. 2) Diverse coverage that analyzes the event and does not just rehash the same narrative. 3) Reports on the trial (assuming the suspect(s) lived) or a profile of the suspect(s) are considered routine. 4) International coverage from several media outlets may make the subject more notable but should not be the sole basis for creating an article.

These are just a few thoughts and I would value any criticism or other ideas. I'll also work on a list of recent AfDs as you recommended.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:02, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

@TheGracefulSlick - after the Yavneh article was kept, despite our efforts to sway consensus, I'm thinking that there's less incentive for us to come up with a terror related policy. If our arguments had been successful, there would have been more incentive to formalize them. Now I'm not sure it is worth what will likely be considerable effort. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:54, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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I saw your note on the article page - will see if I can contribute today. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

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OVERLINK is not the same as DUPLINK or REPEATLINK or

In this edit you claim the repeated link is a WP:OVERLINK, when I think you mean it's MOS:DUPLINK or WP:REPEATLINK. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:37, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:28, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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You might want to read WP:TPOC. There's no need to fix typos in other editors' talk page posts and it's not considered good talk page etiquette. It was a two-week-old post and you were not even replying to that thread. Please, just leave it alone next time. Normally I wouldn't get annoyed about this, but this is the second time someone has done this to my talk page posts on this same subject today, and you don't have the excuse of being an inexperienced editor. Meters (talk) 00:39, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

No need to undo your corrections or anything like that. It's just not a good idea to make them in the first place. Meters (talk) 00:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up - I was in copy edit mode and did the edits instinctively. I would never edit to change meaning, but if you've read Thinking, Fast and Slow you'll know that a typo is as harmful as a poor argument when trying to make a point. We immediately subconsciously discount arguments made with typos, so writers trying to sway others with their arguments should appreciate the fixes. In any case, I'll avoid this in the future. Cheers.TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

No biggie. Sorry, it was a bad day. Meters (talk) 23:59, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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intgr Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I’ll request the move. It’s not likely to be a contested move. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:19, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

I just undid the move and requested the technical move. There is one edit that was done to the new article after I moved it. Is there a way I'm supposed to account for that? Should I undo it after the move, and then notify the editor so he can make the change again? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:35, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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Paywalled sources, which include not only Proquest, but many academic articles and a great many major newspapers, are not dead links, and should not be so marked. they are accepted on an assumption of the good faith of the editor who posted them. This is similarly true with quotations form and citations to books, somehting else that I often do. The problem, of course, comes when editors do not cite such articles in good faith. This does happen. But most editors in most articles act in good faith and we therefore accept such citations - and do not tag them as dead links. Wikipedia:Offline sources. But with specific reference tothe question you posed at an AfD, teh template you want is Template:Subscription required. Cheers.

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Hi there. Continuing our discussion from the "List of wealthiest families" talk page, I was wondering whether you received any answer from that website regarding the questionable figures they provided. It is quite evident that their estimates are often based on clear rumors (here's another exmaple [3]), and a quick look at WP:RSN further confirms this concern. Yet the website is used as a source on several dozen wiki articles - from most of which it may need to be removed. Yambaram (talk) 20:15, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Nope – they never got back to me. Which likely tells you how reliable their numbers are. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:03, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, this is what I assumed. Their wealth estimates cannot be cited if no other reliable source (Forbes, Bloomberg, or any other trustworthy investigative news publication) backs it up. I will soon go over these articles and replace/remove the web-link when needed. Regards, Yambaram (talk) 07:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Desai is a surname and is not a title of royalty here

Hi Timtempleton, Recently you removed the word "Desai" from Shirasangi Lingaraj Desai which is a full name. Desai is a surname in this context hence is no more the title of royalty here. I will be briefing how the usual naming convention in North Karnataka would be. If we take the example of Lingaraj Jayappa Desai. Lingaraj is his name, Jayappa is his father's name and Desai is his surname. Usual naming convention in North Karnataka would be "Name/Father's name/Surname". Shirasangi is his village name. He was famously called Shirasangi Lingaraj among people. So, don't remove the word "Desai" from his name. Rishi Muni (talk) 05:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Rishi Muni I'm not sure what you're referring to. With this edit, I fixed his name in the infobox. [[4]]. Please include the diff and remember to link to the article to make it easy for me to see what you're referring to. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Roy Sebag

Hi Tim, can you please help with suggesting the article's notability. Here are links to support:

[[5]] [[6]] --101.98.180.133 (talk) 23:11, 3 June 2018 (UTC)