User talk:Systemicfuturist

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Hello, Systemicfuturist, and Welcome to Wikipedia!

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October 2022[edit]

Since the article is about "the United States Army, Marine Corps, and Air Force", and neither the Confederate Army rank system, nor any rank thereof, played a part in the history of the structure or any particular rank in the Army of the United States, nor of any other service, the Confederate Army Major rank is not germane to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Systemicfuturist (talk • contribs) 16:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing[edit]

The summary you added to your edit at USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) caught my attention, as it was somewhat odd. After taking a quick look at the Global News article, it turns out that it's one Canada's major, national news organizations, so it's hardly "little known or local". But that aside, it's a prefectly acceptable and reliable secondary source, which trumps primary sources (see WP:PST for more on that). While additonal sourcing is usually not a bad thing, adding a primary source in this case was hardly necessary, just becuase you weren't familiar with the secondary source that was already attached. Please take a moment to read through the links I've attached for you, especially the last one, and when you have a little more time, take read through the 'welcome' template I've also added for you at the top of this page. In it you'll find a great deal of useful, and in many cases necessary, information there for new users. Also, going forward, don't forget to sign your talk page posts, and when it comes to talk pages, comments about article content should be posted on the article talk page, comments about about editor behaviour and general messages between users are posted to user talk pages. Once a thread is started, all replies should be posted to that thread, as most editors don't care to have discussions spread across multiple talk pages (eg: if you were to reply to this post, you would reply here, not on my talk page). If you have any questions, feel free to contact the help desk, but you should also check out the Teahouse, which is a good resource for new users. Welcome to Wikipedia - wolf 00:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can provide you with my context and perspective. The relevance of an article about the lead ship of a new class of USN aircraft carriers to the total US and global readership far outweighs it's relevance to Canadians. To say that Global News is little known outside of Canada is quite arguably an understatement, demonstrated by your having to Google it. Even to Canadians, it is not a top source. But I can correct both of us - the article is a Canadian Press article presented by the Global News. The Canadian Press is indeed a national news service, albeit not hugely known or relevant globally.
Interestingly, the info in the article that required a citation stated that "Gerald R. Ford's first port visit outside of her home country was on 28 October 2022". And yet, the cited Global News article is dated 26 Oct, and states "Gerald R. Ford, is scheduled to visit Halifax this weekend". So it doesn't support at all that the visit was on the 28th. I'll admit I erred in that I should have either deleted the original reference, or amended the text in the article. But I will now leave that in your capable hands.
Cheers. Systemicfuturist (talk) 06:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The relevance of an article about the lead ship of a new class of USN aircraft carriers to the total US and global readership far outweighs it's relevance to Canadians." - I'm not sure I follow the logic there.
"To say that Global News is little known outside of Canada is quite arguably an understatement, demonstrated by your having to Google it." - Nope, didn't have to Google it. Just pointed out that when looking at our wiki-article (and therefore linking it at the same time), it confirms that Global is one of Canada's major news outlets. I have heard of it before, (I've probably cited it before, as well), and it is a national network.
"Even to Canadians, it is not a top source." - Oop... didn't realize you were Canadian. In that case, which networks would be considered a top source, above Global? (This could be helpful).
"So it doesn't support at all that the visit was on the 28th." - the report stated: "USS Gerald R. Ford, is scheduled to visit Halifax this weekend." The report was on Wednesday the 26th. The ship was due to arrive that Friday, the 28th, a.k.a. 'this (coming) weekend'. I don't see how it was incorrect.
I think the two refs we have there now are fine, and there is no need for either of us to make any further changes to them. But you are of course free to edit the article, to make improvements at your leisure. I really just wanted to ensure you were aware of difference between primary and secondary (and tertiary) sourcing, as that is important knowledge if you plan to add or change any more sources, going forward. And I of course wanted to welcome you to the project, and make you had ready access to information and guidance. If there's anything I would hope for you to take away from this, it's those last two points. Have a nice day - wolf 07:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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