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Reverting

Thank you for reverting unconstructive edits to Misinformation. Next time, please leave a message on the editor's talk page to notify them of their transgression, usually using the user warnings templates. This time; however, I have left a message. Thanks. Sungodtemple (talk) 04:13, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: Honestly I can't remember if chose to not give them a warning, or was just being lazy. But it's always a judgement call. This looks like someone who has already concluded that Wikipedians are part of some conspiracy; anything we could say (templated or personal) would just reinforce that. So I'm not sure what a warning would accomplish; though it's probably mostly harmless also. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 17:55, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Generic header because I can't come up with a wittier header

Binary for you
Thank you for pointing out the reason executing JavaScript isn't possible in non-js files! 4D4850 (talk) 15:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you 4D4850. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 17:56, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
The rapid disruption filter is working miracles. I cannot thank you enough for it, and for all the work you do with the other filters :-) Pahunkat (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Pahunkat, and again for all your help at WP:EF/FP/R. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Suffusion of Yellow, no problem - the work at EF/FP/R must be minimal when compared to what you do! (and whilst I'm here, do consider taking up the offer of adminship, I'm ready to support) Pahunkat (talk) 15:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Email

Thanks for the email. I’ve blocked the account. I know why they ask the question but it’s been a long while since I last came across them. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:25, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Direct, reliable sources needed for Days of the Year pages

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages now require direct reliable sources for additions. For details see the content guideline, the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide or the edit notice on any DOY page. Almost all new additions without a reliable source as a reference are now being reverted on-sight.

Please do not add new additions to these pages without direct sources as the burden to provide them is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages.

Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 19:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Toddst1: Thanks. I could have sworn I saw both dates referenced in the articles and figured someone would copy the sources later, but now I see only Willie Parker's was. Normally I'm very generous when making an edit on behalf of an user who tripped a filter but I do try to look for BLP vios, and I wouldn't have made this edit had I noticed that Dick Lövgren's birthdate wasn't referenced. But I don't worry about minor issues; you can just treat edits tagged "effp-helper" as if they were made by the user mentioned in the summary. The edit would have saved if the filter had been working properly in the first place, and indeed if the IP tries again, the edit will save. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:30, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Hmm. Is it possible to get an edit filter on the WP:DOY articles so that new additions on those pages without direct sources would be caught automatically? Right now, there are a dozen of us on patrol manually backing these out. You seem like a wiz at edit filters. Toddst1 (talk) 20:32, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
@Toddst1: Worth a try. Is it mostly a problem with birth/death dates? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:54, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Pretty much the entire articles. Folks have been adding phony holidays, incorrect birth dates, death dates, etc. for years. There are a number of us who have cleaned up a few dozen of them but the continual addition of garbage is an uphill fight. You would be a hero at Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year if it even worked half of the time. Toddst1 (talk) 21:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
@Toddst1: Ok, started something at filter 1129 (hist · log). Just logging for now until I see what it catches. The filter should trip on any edit that contains a net increase in the number of lines, while not also containing a net increase in the number of references. I'm sure it will need some tweaks to account for reverting vandalism, etc. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:30, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Wow!!! It appears to be working great!! Huge thank you! Toddst1 (talk) 23:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I spoke too soon:

  • From the edit filter log: 15:53, 8 March 2021: 78.98.245.174 (talk) triggered filter 1,129, performing the action "edit" on April 19. Actions taken: none; Filter description: WP:DOYCITE (details | examine | diff)
  • And it looks like the editor was allowed to make this edit

Ideas? Toddst1 (talk) 18:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@Toddst1: It's not going to be set to warn or disallow for a while. Still need to:
  1. Let it run for a week or two, and look for false positives.
  2. Write a custom message (MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning is obviously inappropriate here; it will need to say "find the source in target page blah blah blah")
  3. Post a notice at WP:EFN and let others comment. This is mandatory if setting to disallow, and still a good idea if setting to warn.
In the meantime you can just view the log and revert. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks!! Toddst1 (talk) 18:40, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

MOY

@Toddst1: What's up with pages like January 1970? WP:MOYCITE is a redlink, and there's no edit notice about requiring sources on the page. Do they tend to attract the same sort of low-quality edits? The pages run from 1900 through 1981, then oddly stop, which at least should at least eliminate the "influencers" and gamers. :-) Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:28, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't know much about the Months pages. I believe they're part of a different project, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Months_in_the_1900s. It was quite the struggle to get folks to agree to start requiring citations on the DOY pages, and we still encounter some significant resistance occasionally. I'm sure it would be an improvement, but not sure what that project would think. Toddst1 (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Ok, excluding those pages from the filter. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:33, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

MajavahBot and private filters

Hi! Sorry for the delay, but I've finally implemented this feature request. Let me know if there are any issues with the current implementation that I haven't caught. (please ping if replying, my watchlist is too large) Majavah (talk!) 11:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Majavah. No worries about the delay. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
I've just stumbled across your chart (linked at WP:AN). It's a great piece of investigating & helpful to understanding uncommunicative editors. Thank you. Cabayi (talk) 09:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
@Cabayi: Thanks. Lot of good it's done, though. And that's just communication bugs. Try viewing ANI in the mobile app, and you'll see a revision of the page from last September! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU

I decided to do a little testing since there is a big ? by Partial block shown as partial for desktop IPs. When I go to edit pages not covered by the partial block everything works as normal with no indication of the block. When I attempt to edit a restricted page, I get the following message:

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your username or IP address is blocked from doing this. You may still be able to do other things on this site, such as editing certain pages. You can view the full block details at account contributions.

The block was made by ‬‪TheSandDoctor

The reason given is:

Self-requested for test

Start of block: 19:12, 4 April 2021 Expiration of block: 07:12, 5 April 2021 Intended blockee: ‪2A03:F80:32:194:71:227:81:1‬ Block ID #10485282

If you believe you are seeing this message in error, you may submit an appeal on the administrators' noticeboard, on your talk page, or by UTRS.

You can view and copy the source of this page:

Tested on TimedText talk:"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" by the Beatles 1967.ogg.en.srt, TimedText talk:Бэ.ogg, and TimedText talk:Jimi Hendrix performing "The Star Spangled Banner" at Woodstock, 18 August 1969.ogg.en.srt

The big block box on top of contributions is visible in desktop mode and reads as follows: This IP address is currently partially blocked. The latest block log entry is provided below for reference:

In mobile the situation is more complex, the following appears as a pop-up on attempt to edit a restricted page

Your IP address has been blocked from editing this page.

Try logging in or creating an account, or try editing another page. See more

Clicking the see more leads to a link that expands the box and reads:

Your IP address has been blocked from editing this page.

Try logging in or creating an account, or try editing another page.

Blocked by TheSandDoctor

Block will expire in 11 hours

See details

Reason

Self-requested for test

both boxes have a log-in link in the lower right-hand corner, but that may be because this block is anon-only.

In mobile the block box is not visible at the top of your contributions and visiting that page provides no indication you've been blocked.

I'll leave most of the analysis to you, but from my perspective unless a user already has some preexisting knowledge or is fairly determined. They are unlikely to ever realize why a partial-block has occurred or how to address it on mobile, and only somewhat more likely in desktop, but the wording is different from a full-block.

Wish I'd seen this sooner since today is my last day for a while, but I hope this is helpful. Cheers, 2A03:F80:32:194:71:227:81:1 (talk) 20:42, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for testing! So I guess the real problem is the lack of a link to the user's talk page in the block message. That possibly affects sitewide blocks too on mobile. I wonder if we can fix that ourselves, with a MediaWiki: namespace message... Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Filters

Know of any filters that function as "catch-alls" for miscellaneous long-term vandalism? Or should I just create my own? For example, someone repeatedly adding their name to various articles. There are a few of these that I watch for; at the moment, I'm just using a search url I've constructed. Filter 1037 sort of works like that, except that seems like it's intended for LTAs that have mostly fallen off the radar, with occasional hits. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie: If you just want to log your "pet socks", it's probably best to use your own filter at first, then merge anything useful later. The "combined" filters (e.g. 58 (hist · log) and 871 (hist · log)) are full of cruft that someone thought was useful at one time, and now nobody knows what it's for or if it's safe to remove. If you're asking about Special:AbuseFilter/history/1013/diff/prev/24670, I was going to add that one to 906 (hist · log) soon. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Excellent, thank you! OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie: On second thought, they seem quite active, so let's keep this separate for now. See 1131 (hist · log). 22:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Also a question about filters. Shouldn't this (by this IP you reverted here) have been caught by some filter about removing large amounts of text? I remember back from my IP days when I tried to archive a talk page and it didn't quite work out because of such a filter... Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
    @RandomCanadian: Most of the blanking filters don't check Wikipedia: namespace for whatever reason. Could be worth doing something, but those pages are even less reader-facing than talk pages. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:52, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
    Instead of posting at EFR, since you're the authority on the matter, might ask here rightaway: is there anything on edit requests? This likely comes from an LTA, but having an edit request which is already marked as answered seems entirely pointless and counterproductive... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:30, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
    @RandomCanadian: That tripped 987 (hist · log) which is warn-only, and they clicked past the warning. There have been multiple EFN threads about setting that to disallow but there never was any consensus to do so; I was initially opposed but have warmed a bit to the idea. I'd still want very nearly 0% false positives; semi-protection is already an irritation to good-faith editors. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 03:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
    Well stuff like Special:Contributions/170.51.102.195 prob. won't stop of it's own. The (I assume) namespace check being removed probably wouldn't create too much trouble or false positives. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
    @RandomCanadian: Testing at 1014 (hist · log). We'll see what turns up. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:48, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Possible LTA or sockmaster/sockpuppets? Do not know where to maybe even file...

Yeah...it's connected to the Sneed vandalism. The common thread in this latest spurt is referring to editors who revert their trolling/meme'ing or who post warnings on their user talk as "jannies", usually in the edit summaries. So far, I think at least the following IPs have this in common and all somewhat recently (some of the summaries have been removed from view):

Anyway, I wanted to see what you think. Seems awfully odd that no IPs from North America or Europe or Australia/New Zealand or Russia or China or India or Central America etc. would be indulging in this meme'ing vandalism...I mean, after all...aren't The Simpsons a worldwide phenomenon? Hmmmm. Shearonink (talk) 23:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Annnnnnnnnd another one to add to the mix:

Shearonink (talk) 00:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

(ec) @Shearonink: No I don't know who this is, but it seems like one person using proxies. They seem to be feeding (ha!) off our efforts to stop them, so best not make a LTA or SPI page, in my opinion. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:19, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Ah ok...yeah, just something to keep an eye on then. Shearonink (talk) 01:21, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Screenshots for THEYCANTHEARYOU

I've managed to get screenshots on both Android and iOS of the absolutely terrible block notices you get on the apps. Padgriffin (talk) 14:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Padgriffin: Thanks! You might want to attach those to phab:T276147 and phab:T275118 respectively. Or I can do that, if you prefer. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
You may do it, I’m not familiar with Phab, unfortunately. Padgriffin (talk) 12:15, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
For creating User:Suffusion of Yellow/Mobile communication bugs and trying to get the WMF to listen to these issues. This is quite frustrating so I very much appreciate your work on this! Elli (talk | contribs) 01:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, Elli. I'm pleased see yourself and others involved in this, too. It's very easy to dismiss a problem if it's just one person nagging you about it. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Curious - what would you think about moving User:Suffusion of Yellow/Mobile communication bugs to project-space? I feel like it might be better to have it there. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
@Elli: Yep, done. Perhaps people will fill in the "unknown" bits now. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Idea

It's tedious, but using user_name and a disallow filter with a long page title, presumably we can at least get in touch with individual iOS users (though Android ones would remain elusive)? Perhaps with a message on how one can access their talk page using the app? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@ProcrastinatingReader: Sure, but since I don't have an iOS device handy, you might want to use a test filter and try that on yourself, first. There's probably a limit on the length of the message. You won't need admin rights, since you don't actually need to create the page. Just select "Other message" from the dropdown and type your message right into the edit filter interface. The preview will show up as "undefined" but it will allow you to save. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Well, this approach might actually work. See 1139 and [1]. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
@ProcrastinatingReader: That looks better than I expected. Worth trying the next time an iOS user is dragged to ANI. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:55, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
This is to show appreciation for aiding me to solve my problem. Celestina007 (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, Celestina007! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

*sigh*

so you decided to take it private? I confess I did like keeping an eye on it since I'm the one who requested it... oh well. Shearonink (talk) 19:51, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Shearonink: Yeah, too many proxies being used. This is an LTA. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 18:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. Persistent little bugger... Glad you're on the case. Shearonink (talk) 19:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Agree with your close of that thread. Still wish I could have access to the filter, just to see what's going on behind the scenes... Thanks for all you have done and are continuing to do with this situation.Shearonink (talk) 17:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

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aeschyIus (talk) 18:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit filter problem

Do you mind checking this out? It might need a change, but I'm not sure as I can't see private filters. Thanks. NonsensicalSystem(error?)(.log) 10:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 21

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past four months (February through May 2021).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 21st issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

My apologies for this long-overdue issue, and if I missed any scripts.
Hopefully going forward we can go back to monthly releases - any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 13:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

4.15.120.139

I've blocked them for three months. I had been distracted in having to reject the vandalism made as a pending change at Notability, so I forgot to check the filter, and since none of the previous blocking admins could have been bothered to leave a block notice on the talk page I had no idea there had been previous blocks on the account. That won't be an issue for a while. Daniel Case (talk) 21:49, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@Daniel Case: Thanks. FWIW they'll likely be back on another IP, but I think this LTA (see the notes in 1131 (hist · log) for the name of the master, prefer to WP:DENY here) has a limited number of IPs, so three months seems good. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:55, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
So all he does is add that same seven (well, eight)-character string? At least that's easy to remember without picking up the filter. Daniel Case (talk) 00:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
He makes two types of edits. The first all look something like Special:AbuseLog/30143108; they will (hopefully) be blocked by the filter and will only appear in the log. The others are like Special:AbuseLog/29355357. The filter doesn't disallow those; it doesn't (yet) seem worth dealing with the false positives and it's not quite as disruptive to the reader. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 02:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that catch

Seddon talk 21:27, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Seddon: Sure, no problem. FYI, the "diff" at the top of filter log entries shows the text before the pre-save transform. That is, you'll see exactly what was in the edit form. So, signatures will look like "~~~~" unless they were copy-pasted. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Your email

Thank you, useful to know! – I didn't, was evaluating the contribs as those of a new editor. Moneytrees blocked him, was way ahead of me. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU

Could I WP:CANVASS you, if you see fit, to comment at meta:Talk:Community Tech/Warn when linking to disambiguation pages#Revision tag for edits that add dablinks; along the lines that rearranging deckchairs is all very well, but there might perhaps be other issues which deserve more immediate attention? We've had tools which do what that phabricator request proposes for something like a decade (User:DPL bot). Narky Blert (talk) 21:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

A filter

Was crafted for a specific LTA but surprisingly effective at picking up other LTAs, general vandalism and other garbage. There are technically some 'FPs' but they're all edits bad enough that they should be reverted, AFAICS. Thoughts on setting it to disallow? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:49, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

It does struggle sometimes with a specific type of edit though (see filter notes), in case you have ideas on how to get around that? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:49, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
@ProcrastinatingReader: I see too many FPs to disallow. Checking the 50 most recent edits with saved changes, I found Special:AbuseLog/30750650, Special:AbuseLog/30750394, Special:AbuseLog/30749598, Special:AbuseLog/30747895, Special:AbuseLog/30747824, Special:AbuseLog/30745366, Special:AbuseLog/30743362, Special:AbuseLog/30740770, and Special:AbuseLog/30737111. I've tried to do this exact thing before, and could never get the FPs low enough, either. Does this need to be private, though? I would suspect that the people who understand that regex aren't the ones doing this kind of vandalism. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
The first three are the issue I was referring to, couldn't figure out how to exclude them without also excluding problems in infoboxes.
Re private, my thinking was perhaps not if it will only log in future, but if some variant of it is disallowed then maybe. Although most the bad hits are runaway vandalism, some are LTAs, and it's easily bypassable if the strategy used to catch them is described clearly (in title or in the regex). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

A suggestion for an edit filter you made

Hey there, I noticed you created an edit filter to disallow Among Us memes. I had a small suggestion-- I think it would be a good idea to add in the phrase "baka" to the filter. I do a lot of countervandalism and I see many Among Us vandals use this term. Thanks for hearing me out, Helen(💬📖) 21:33, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@HelenDegenerate: Sorry for the long delay. Testing at 1014 (hist · log). Over 1000 uses of "baka" in mainspace, so this will need to be a fairly common vandal word to justify disallowing it. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
@HelenDegenerate: Turns out, nearly every case was either a false positive, or was already disallowed by another filter. Thanks for the suggestion though. (And no, it doesn't usually take a month to test a simple filter like this; I just haven't been all that active lately...) Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

IN response to the email

(I'm only telling you this on your talk page because my email contains my real name which I would prefer remain private) Thanks for letting me know! Didn't realize it was something you're not supposed to tell people on pages that anyone can see. I had simply asked because I saw it on AIV and was curious as to what they were trying to do (not going into specific because of what you said in the email) and saw that it didn't match what they said the filter did. So I had simply just asked, curious as to how the filter worked and why it caught something that was very clearly not what the filter though it was. I'll keep that in mind in the future. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Also I figure really the only thing that would be fine being repeated to others is that (like most things on Wikipedia) it's not perfect and is still being improved. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:27, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
@Blaze The Wolf: In case it wasn't clear from my email, you didn't do anything wrong here. "Someone" should just have been a little more careful when replying, and I didn't want you to mistakenly repeat the information thinking it was public. (And do get around to creating a Wikipedia-specific email address.) Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Yep I understand. Also I would create a Wikipedia-specific email address however I don't need to use the email function of Wikipedia all that often so I don't really have a reason to do so as of yet. Also I definitely would not have repeated the information because (even though I didn't know it was a private filter) I saw no benefit in doing so other than it still being improved, which is good to know that there are actual people who work on the edit filter. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:01, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

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Killing of David Amess

Could you provide a legitimate reason besides "really people?" to why my edit was reverted on Killing of David Amess? I just added data to the infobox that was in the lead section. Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

@WaddlesJP13: Sorry, that was a poor edit summary. The short answer is WP:BLPCRIME. Or maybe Richard Jewell. We cannot claim that a living person is guilty of a crime unless they have been convicted of that crime. When he's listed as the "perpetrator", we're doing just that.
Now there's another question: should be named at all, even as a suspect? That's more complex, but there's an ongoing talk page discussion about that right now. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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RE: list of fictional planets

im so terribly sorry if this is the wrong place, this is all completely foreign to me and I dont really know whats going on or how to reply properly LOL. i dont really care a whole bunch about them being kept, I just thought it would be a good thing to have more fictional planets on the list of them, since it seems to be comprehensive when it comes to larger franchises (such as star wars, or the dc comics). that's all! sorry again if this is the wrong place RetroPacifist (talk) 09:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC) (from retroPacifist, if the signature thing doesnt work...)

@RetroPacifist: So, this seems to be about this conversation. I don't remember that all that well, but I'll say this: Rules about sourcing and fiction are not really enforced all that well. So what happens is that someone adds their favorite show/movie/game/etc. to a list (without sources). Then someone says "well his favorite show/movie/game/etc. is there, what about mine?" And so on and so on until the whole thing is a giant mess. But really "lists of fictional X" articles are supposed to be lists of fictional Xs that were discussed in third party sources. Again, supposed to be. I don't really care about this enough to nuke all the so-called "cruft" but some people do, so you might be wasting your time adding this content. (And yes you signed your comment correctly.) Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:21, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
awesome! thanks for the response, and ill just leave it as is, thanks so much for the clarification ^-^ have a great day! RetroPacifist (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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