User talk:Sting au/Archives2

Welcome!

Hello, Sting au, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. I am really glad to see someone is taking an interest in the coverage of pigeons breeds! I have done a little work on them, but I only know so much, and the articles need a lot of work. Best of luck!

If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! LeSnail 13:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Breed standards

Ok here's my dilema. I'm working on articles that reference various pigeon breeds. In these articles I will be refering to a Breed standard and require an internal link so viewers of the article can understand what I mean by a "standard". Trouble is the internal link I've been using goes on to reference "Dogs". It starts off just how I need it to i.e. "A breed standard (also called bench standard) in animal fancy and animal husbandry is a set of guidelines which is used to insure that the animals produced by a breeding facility conform to the specifics of the breed. It is also used in competition to judge a given animal against the hypothetical ideal specimen of that breed." but then it goes completely over to discussing the term and how it relates to dogs. This is unfortunate because there are so many other "breeds" of animals besides dogs. (pigeons for example) and many a Breed article will no doubt need to refer to a Standard. Is there some way that a Breed Standard page can be created which all domesticated animal breeds can use to refer to please? Sting_au | Talk 13:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems pretty clear that the breed standard article ought to be rewritten to be not specifically about dogs. If there is going to be an article specifically about dog breed standards, it ought to be called something else to indicate that. (breed standard (dogs), perhaps?) If you feel comfortable working on the breed standard article in that light, be bold and do so! Otherwise, you can ask for someone to address this issue on the article's talk page. - Revolving Bugbear (formerly Che Nuevara) 16:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm glad someone agrees with me. I've tagged the page with a proposed merge template and I'm trying to start a discussion on the articles talk page but no replies yet. Lots of links to change if it goes ahead. The article page will be better served as referencing all domesticated breeds not just dogs. Sting_au | Talk 21:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is the right place to add this, but I will share anyhow. I am a long time dog fancier (German Shepherds and Chesapeake Bay Retrievers), and the breed standard is a really useful piece of information to have and to understand. The first thing to understand is that pigeons and dogs are separate species, and within each species you will have sub-species or "breeds". Thus, the breed standard of any given dog would be governed by a dog overseeing body (the Canadian Kennel Club in Canada, The Kennel Club in the UK and the American Kennel Club in the US for instance). If pigeons are to have breed standards they would likely be governed by whatever organizing body is in charge of pigeon sports (I am assuming that would only be racing, but I don't see any reason why pigeons couldn't do things like agility). To propose a breed standard in dog fancy, you have to have a group of people who all agree to what the standard for a particular breed might be and what the criteria are for identifying that breed. In order for a breed to be "true" the offspring must be the same as the parents; ie-a german shepherd bred to a poodle might produce something that looks like a giant schnauzer, but isn't because the parents aren't giant schnauzers. To apply this to pigeons, I would suggest that two things need to happen (or may have already). A group of interested individuals who are in support of a particular breed need to gather, and they need to all agree on the criteria to identify their specimens. From that point you can decide if you want a closed stud book (meaning that only those birds registered with the breed group could breed to produce registered offspring) or an open stud book where any bird that resembled the breed would be allowed to breed in. There are pros and cons to each system. I might be able to help with an article page on breed standards as I know a fair amount about this, but my weakness would in in providing references-this is the sort of thing that you get to know largely by hanging out with a fair number of dog, horse, and cow people. Suenestnature (talk) 04:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Sting_au Talk 05:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Jacobin (pigeon)

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re. Brisbane external links

Hey Sting, thanks for the message. The last link was a "good one", but I think it'd be better to use it somewhere productively in the article, perhaps as a inline source. Per WP:EL (if I remember right), external links sections should only contain "official" (etc.) links about the subject. Hope this helps :) Dihydrogen Monoxide 00:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

*evil laugh* - Yeah, I accidentally/deliberately didn't dab that link, I couldn't remember if Ipswich had an article (having lived there, I wouldn't bother :P). Hope you're OK with the Brisbane thing. Dihydrogen Monoxide 00:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The closer to my place you get, the worse it gets (no, I don't live in Inala, thank god) Dihydrogen Monoxide 00:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Just emailed you... Dihydrogen Monoxide 01:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Phileas or Phileas (public transport)

Could please motivate why did request a quickly removal of a page about public transport. Work in progress ok, but this? Are you looking for friends or do you want some that watches every step you make?? Carsrac (talk) 00:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to take the page to a deletion discussion, go ahead and do so. But there would appear to be a decent article from which to translate, and my view is that improving the article is the answer, not deletion. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 00:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Unfortunately, my Dutch is about as good as my... anything-but-English and so I can't join in the fun! Bencherlite^Talk 00:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

trying to figure out how to do this

Hello Sting,

You responded to the page I put up about Hayboxes last night. I put the haybox article up because I have been looking on the net for more information about hayboxes and couldn't find any. I have used them myself when camping, so I know about them, but cannot find references for them. I am hoping this is okay. Now I am trying to fix the things that have been identified as weaknesses in the article, but cannot seem to figure it all out-to begin with I would like to categorize the article but cannot seem to figure out how to do that. Can you help? I have been through the tutorial several times and played with the sandbox, but I don't seem to be getting the hang of things.

Sue

PS: I read your bio-very interesting about flying the pigeons. I am allergic to bees or I would probably set up a bee yard on our farm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suenestnature (talk • contribs) 14:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

G'day Sue, I just put it in the "Simple living" category for now. I think this article still needs a lot of work but I definitely see a future for alternative lifestyle articles such as that one. I did have a magazine around here that discussed that topic but I'll need to have a search for it. My home filing system is sometimes called "the most convenient surface" method of filing. Keep working on the article Sue. Try to link to it from other alternative/green lifestyle articles. Important though to not write articles in a "how to" format. Have a read of the helpful links in your welcome message here. Oh, and don't forget to sign your posts (on talk pages only) with four tildes. Sting_au Talk 21:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

My first vandal attack

hop off stop deleting mah pg you moron —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramyelcangri (talk • contribs) 23:14, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Well it had to happen sooner or later. I tag plenty of pages for speedy delete so getting attacked must mean I'm annoying the vandals. Funny how they never seem to be able to spell and even need a bot to sign their posts for them. Sting_au Talk 09:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Your question

Hi Sting au,

The script I use to tag stubs is User:Ais523/stubtagtab.js. Sadly it's not 100% full-featured--you still need to enter the type of stub you wish to apply manually, but if you have a passing familiarity with stub categories it can come in very handy. --jonny-mt^(t)_(c)Tell me what you think! 07:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure :) --jonny-mt^(t)_(c)Tell me what you think! 07:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

moonflower lane page deletion

Why did you mark this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Now2blue (talk • contribs) 07:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I've replied on your talk page. Sting_au Talk 10:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

thank you for your information —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkg (talk • contribs) 13:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

John Slosar

can you help me to create a new topic called 'Cathay pacific Management Team' and have all the important people inside??

ths —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkg (talk • contribs) 14:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page in Cathay Pacific section. Sting_au Talk 21:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

seekda

Hi, This is just a copy of the answer to your deletion request for seekda (original text in seekda AfD). I hope to get the answer from you. Greetings Mzaremba 13:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Unremarkable company. There are millions of websites out there and this ones certainly not notable. Sting_au Talk 10:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I give a try below to justify that this is the remarkable company and the subject is notable, as the proposed innovation aim to enable the web of services (as envisioned by Semantic Web research community, by open SOA and in particular by Semantic SOA; the vision, which has been presented in many scientific publications, but not yet realized, although attempted, by commercial companies). Please let me know if the information below could get included in the article, or it will again qualify it as an advertisement.

Existing solutions for Service Discovery include UDDI and ebXML registry, standards that allows programmatically publishing and retrieving a set of structured information belonging to a Web Service. Several companies have operated public UDDI repositories (IBM, SAP, Microsoft, etc), however due to several shortcomings of the approach such as complicated registration, missing monitoring facilities, its success was limited and only few repositories are still publicly available. At the same time a number of Portals (wikipedia is providing articles about several of them e.g. Strike Iron) dedicated to providing a repository of services have appeared. However, all of them rely on a manual registration and review process, which implies limited coverage as well as inherently outdated information. Alternatively one can use the classical search engines; however they do not provide effective means to identify Web Services. For now, there exists no standardized file suffix, such that a query like "filetype:wsdl" does not match all service descriptions (e.g. the wsdl description Microsoft Services will have the ending ".asmx?wsdl"). Moreover a standard search engine does not make any pre-filtering based on availability and other service-related parameters. Their retrieval model is optimized for finding content and not dynamic services.Mzaremba 13:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well you can add that into the article if you want. You currently have two votes to delete and only one (yours) to keep. Not a lot of people rushing here to have a say on the matter? (that says a lot about the notability) The whole article reads like its been copied from a brochure. Is it a neutral point of view encyclopedic article? Not yet in my opinion. I suspect you may have some personal involvement with the company? Not that that's a bad thing mind you. If the article stays plenty of other editors can come along and add to it and that's when the "spin" starts to disappear. I'm sorry but my vote to delete still stands. It has improved a bit since I first tagged it with a speedy though. See if you can drum up support to add some "keep" votes? Sting_au Talk 12:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Why am I looking at the page? Are you asking for involvement on the AFD? WLU (talk) 23:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

If you're looking for ways to improve your editing, try looking into WP:ADOPT, lots of people who want the job of helping adoptees get better on wiki.

My opinion is basically that which I've expressed on the Seekda deletion page. Want advice on the AFD discussion? Completely ignore what Mzaremba is saying - what counts is sources and policy, and Seekda has neither on its side. If you're unsure about tagging things for speedy, re-read WP:SD until you know it by heart. When I was a noob, I invested a LOT of time in reading policies, and it really paid off. Anyway, looking at Seekda's deletion review, it only got re-created on a technicality and unless it improves very, very quickly, it's going to be deleted again through AFD rather than speedy. Lots of people dump a ton of text on AFD discussion pages, but what they say is irrelevant if they don't refer to policy and sources. Of course, that's just my opinion, the AFD discussion is what matters. If Mzaremba is serious about the page staying on wikipedia, he should invest more time in adding sources to pass WP:CORP and less in trying to persuade people. Of course, if you think it's notable, look for sources and add them yourself. The AFD discussion for tension myositis syndrome (here) is the best example I've seen of a discussion that did a 180 during AFD because one editor put a lot of work into modifying the page to pass WP:N. Even if what Mzaremba says about the company is true, it's not documented on the page in reliable sources. He can say that it's like X on wikipedia (which doesn't apply either per WP:WAX) but he needs a reliable source saying that Seekda does X notable thing (as a minimum, my interpretation of policy is usually pretty strict, so I usually also insist on a source saying Seekda does X, and a source that says X is notable - others have argued that if X is inherently notable, all that is required is a source documenting Seekda does X). Confusing enough? Last point - wikipedia itself is not a reliable source, so you can't cite it as a reason for a page to not be deleted. OK, last-last point, deletion discussions (particularly in unequivocal examples like this one) are usually pretty short and to the point. Note Hammer's comment - three sentences. Usually if it's clear (as this one appears to be) it's a waste of your time to discuss with editors who don't refer to policy. Deletion is usually all about varying degrees of notability, everything else (redlinks, wording, advertisement, COI, spelling) is pretty irrelevant and can be fixed. Notable exception - copyvio and violations of WP:BIO. WLU (talk) 00:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Popups rule, WP:POPUPS has information on how to install it. You might also want to look into hodgepodge created by User:Wikidudeman. It combines what are in his opinion the best aspects of Popups, Twinkle and a couple others as well. I believe it works best in Mozilla, but it doesn't work at all in Internet Explorer unfortunately. WLU (talk) 11:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Tainan

I have successfully changed the article into “my own words” and if it is deemed to be suitable to wiki standards can you please remove the tags. If it is not please let me know but I may not be online 24 hrs. Thank you Fattyjwoods (talk) 07:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Seige of Tainan

Thank you, Ill try my best, but just wondering will the tag stay there. It dosent look to good but Ill try to refine the article as soon as I can —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fattyjwoods (talk • contribs) 07:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Abbas ibn Fernas

Thanks a lot Sting for encouraging words. I'm still learning and trying to find my way around. My best regards. Bedejim (talk) 12:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Markus Feldhoff bogus speedy delete

Dude, the guy played in ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT Bundesliga matches. He played with Rudi Völler and Ulf Kirsten. He has 13 German U21 caps. And yet you say he fails CSD:A7? LOL!!! —Onomatopoeia (talk) 12:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, accepted. No harm done. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 13:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

CfD

A medieval dovecot

Hi there - I noticed that you pre-empted the decision at the CfD for Dove breeds etc by moving the articles and getting the empty category speedily deleted. Next time, please don't since (1) whilst this time, the outcome was uncontroversial, depopulating categories that are at CfD is generally frowned upon; (2) it should be for uninvolved admins to close these discussions as "delete", not participants in the discussion (that's a general principle: people don't close a discussion they've participated in, admin or not); (3) admins can set bots in motion to do the category changes, saving editors the trouble. Oh, and WP:CSD#C1 only applies when the category has been empty for 4 days, so it shouldn't have been used in this case. Just a friendly piece of advice in case you take it upon yourself to do the same again when there's more at stake and you get shouted at! Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 00:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Look forward to seeing your contributions at CfD. Have a dovecot for your troubles. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 08:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

I think that article is important since hey, they've made articles of other schools in the district. Why can't I make one of Gilmore? HIYO (talk) 00:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

speedy deletion of the vice (band)

yeah id like to know why you tagged this for deletion....ive been working with this band for a long time and Wikipedia lets us show a real biography without the bullshit that needs to be put on myspace to bring in the punters as it were.....maybe next time it might be an idea think before tagging —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeGinman (talk • contribs) 07:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't got a clue what you're talking about? I've checked your contributions. You've made two. One to upload a picture and one to flame me on my talk page? Who are you? I can't recall this "vice (band)" that you mention? And by the way. I can't delete anything. I'm not an Admin. Sting_au Talk 07:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

re. Archived Talk Page

Why'd I delete my userpage? I dunno - I just got the urge to do so after reading Uncle G's first RfA! So yeah...I'm still around it's all good :) Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 07:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note :) Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 07:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Howto hodgepodge

Yes. User:Wikidudeman/Hodgepodge. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 19:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

About "Super Speed" - from Veldin963 (I created this article)

This is about you and the article entitled Super Speed. I just created that article today, and within minutes of the time I started to create it, you marked it for suspicion of "Lacking sources from December 2007". Of course it lacks sources, you only marked it down 8 minutes after I wrote the first sentence of it. No anger intended towards you on my part, but I am just informing you that you have to give a new article time to grow and gain enough information to be accusable of something like this. Check the time it was last edited, while taking notice of how it's barely three sentences long yet. I would recommend for you to help build this article, and actually help to add resources, before you risk it's deletion, as it was only created 8 minutes before you accused it of not having sources. Correct this misunderstanding, and be more careful and observant as to what articles you accuse of certain things. Just remember, especially, to in the future, check when the article was created and when it was last edited. Then, and only then, should you check and/or accuse an article of lacking resources, as there is always the possibility (which should never be ignored) that the article was just created (as in this case).

Veldin963 07:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Nonbreaking space

On the Brisbane page, I put that type of space to keep the quantity and the unit from separating from each other.

SirChan 07:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Brisbane - Call to arms

I'm trying to get this article to GA status, and help is seriously appreciated! It mostly needs sourcing, I'm thinking each paragraph should have at least one ref. Please help :) Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

büyük ada

There's already a redirect if you write büyük ada into the search box. Could you help me with the references part? I put references but it still says there are no references?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalwiki (talk • contribs) 10:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Metalwiki 11:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)I've already created redirect pages in which either of them can be chosen.

Metalwiki 11:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)yes, they are two different places :)

vercetticarl

please do not erase the Ñejo & Dálmata page or the Broke and Famous page because it was hard work of me to write it and the purpose of those articles is to inform people about them, if you check my contributions that I have made for wikipedia you can see that almost all of my contributions are related to reggaeton artists or albums, people have demanded to see biographies or musical careers of reggaeton artists since the genre is very popular now. I'll appreciate it those articles aren't deleted and if you remove the tags, thanks. Vercetticarl 05:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The Yawn of the New Age

Hello,

I added some review references, please take a look.

Eleven fingers 05:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Black Lamp article

Hi there,

You added a tag/template (not sure of the proper term for these things) on the Black Lamp article I created which says that "This article does not cite any references or sources.", but you haven't added any 'citation needed' tags.

In the 'reception' section, I cite sources (Magazine title and issue) for each of the scores and quotes that I mention, and anybody with access to the relevant issues of the magazines mentioned can confirm this. Is the problem with parts of the article other than the reception section, or is it that the magazine reviews should be available on the web? They actually are, but given that the Wikipedia community is generally so concerned with free/fair usage of material, and that magazine scans/typeouts are hard to justify in fair use, I thought that not linking to them might be the more prudent option.

Please understand that I'm not challenging your judgement - I have only been editing Wikipedia for a couple of days, and I'm aware that there is much that I don't know. I would just like clarification on what exactly should be cited to improve the quality of the article.

Many thanks, --Monorail Cat 10:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply to my questions. I have added inline citations to the magazines referenced in the reception section of Black Lamp. Would you mind taking a quick look and seeing if you think the citations are more suitable now? --Monorail Cat 10:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Show Your Dance

Thanks for your message regarding Show Your Dance. The sentence in the introduction is enough to make the article not meet the patent nonsense speedy criteria. To be patent nonsense it must have 'no meaningful content' and does not include 'material not in English' which is what the track listing looks like to me. I am not saying it might not be deleted through AFD but it does not meet the speedy criteria. Davewild 13:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in but I'm not seeing the question marks that you're seeing in the track list section. I see Chinese characters. It may be a browser issue preventing you from seeing the unicode Chinese characters. —Wknight94 (talk) 22:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The Yawn of the New Age

A tag has been placed on The Yawn of the New Age requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Eleven fingers 05:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC) ==

Hey, I'm a noob here. Please let me finish writing the entry, I'm adding references to reviews now.

Reply on your talk page. Sting_au Talk 05:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

re: Beekeeping

I know you didn't call it nonsense. I did. I think PETA's point of view is intellectually bankrupt and not worth the time or breath that it takes to rebut them. Unfortunately, many others disagree. A surprising number of people are caught up in their myths. According to Wikipedia's policies on neutral point of view and balanced presentation of topics, we have to cover all aspects of a topic in proper proportion. As long as there are reliable sources verifying the opposing position, we have to neutrally present all sides with the caveat that our coverage ought to be in approximate proportion to the number of people who believe that opposing position.

By long Wikipedia precedent, the proper place to cover a criticism is in the article itself, not isolated in a separate article solely devoted to the opposition. If we isolated the PETA point of view only to the article on PETA, we would do a disservice to readers who did not know about their position and would not make the connection or know to travel over to their page.

That said, I strongly support your move of the section to the article's Talk page. Deleting the section gave the impression that you were removing it just because you disagreed with the content. Explicitly bringing the question up for discussion keeps us all safe from unfair accusations of bias. Now let's see what others think. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Brisbane

The comments regarded an image which displays perfectly. The image could also be seen until the time Dihydrogen Monoxide deleted it from the article (saying the image was broken). I merely restored the image to the page. I apologise if 'vandal' was the incorrect word to use, but I was relying on the fact that "Dihydrogen Monoxide" deleted the image when, to all intents and purposes, it was still there to be seen. Figaro (talk) 02:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Harmatchis

Hi! Could you please merge Harmatchis with the Horus page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmatchis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 17:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the page.

Just a note from the teacher ... thanks for updating the RISS page that the kids did today.

I think that Wiki has lost it's way if it does not tolerate new pages of information about institutions such as schools ... noteworthy events take place all the time - just hard for kids to see that they are.

What I don't understand is that other school pages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_schools#Netherlands have not been deleted therefore why should The RISS's page be marked for deletion - the content is much the same!

But thanks the kids are pleased in some respect that there is so much interest.

Dave Green —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theriss (talk • contribs) 14:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

The African American Channel

Unhappy about what you did! If this was yet another white conglomerate owned company you would NOT have done that. Hulu.com is listed in wikipedia, as many others that haven't gotten a lot of press or not well-known, but I guess since it is a conglomerate-white owned company it is ok to leave it alone even though it is in private BETA. African Americans (yes and I did say it) can't even get freedom on the Internet! This is sad and I am simply displeased! Maybe someone else will want to right an article about it. Bye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ideamagnet (talk • contribs) 06:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Please remove your tag

See Talk:Rodrigo_Díaz_(footballer) for explanation. Could you also let me know what caused you to tag the article for deletion. It seems that you must have an absolute lack of knowledge of world football (soccer) if you cannot see that Club Atlético Independiente are one of the most important clubs in South America, (they were Club World Champions in 1984) and that playing for them confers notability under WP:BIO guidelines. A response would be welcome on my talk page. King of the NorthEast 11:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. I have just declined your speedy request on the above article, and as I wrote in the summary, it is probably the worst nomination I have ever seen. Diaz is a professional athlete playing in a top division of one of the strongest footballing nations and at an internationally well-known football club. Next time you decide to nominate an article for speedy deletion, please make sure you have read all the relevant policies, such as WP:BIO. Thanks, пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong. Please read WP:BIO, and note the section on Athletes: "Competitors and coaches who have competed in a fully professional league". Diaz has done so for three clubs in two seperate countries. Take it further by all means, but you won't get anywhere. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the prod. It is quite clear that he meets the criteria and you are pushing WP:POINT now. If you really insist, take it to WP:AfD, but there is no way you will get it deleted. Why not spend your time on something constructive such as actually providing references? пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Please don't waste admins' time with an AfD which is clearly not going to succeed. If anything it will backfire and you may end up on the wrong end of it as you are clearly doing it to make a WP:POINT. It will take far less time to google Diaz, find a reference and add it than it will to make an AfD nomination. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

By all means have an "independent" admin look at the situation. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Well done for finding the Lanus stats, I had worked them out using a combination of two sites, neither of them any good for references. One is a subscription site which blocks most of the data, and the other is a news site where this seasons stats becomes subscription at the start of the next tournament (january). There are loads of Spanish sites like ZeroZero and ESPN deportes but they offer less info than football-lineups. There are loads of football articles for players with no 1st team appearances, if you ever find one of them prod it by all means. Regards, King of the NorthEast 01:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Gavin Goldstein

I've added a {{db-bio}} - I didn't see you add one in the history though...? — Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, wait, saw logs, scrap that. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, if you check the logs you'll see an older version, which you tagged, was deleted (this is linked to from the history, btw.). — Dihydrogen Monoxide 06:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Super Speed, from veldin963

thanks, sting au. sorry if i sounded mad, but that's just because i am in fact kinda new to wikipedia editing. thank you for adding a tag to the page, too. i didn't realize i deleted it, because to be honest, i'm not too familiar with the concept of tags on wikipedia, as i am still learning how to properly edit pages, and how to correctly verify the validity of information i save to articles. if you could please give me some simple tips on how to do this, i would appreciate it, because i am confused as to how to show that a page contains reliable info, because the information i fill out at the bottom of the editing page indicating copyrights, source info, etc. never seems to stay with the page, resulting in the prompt deletion of many things i edit. "Super Speed" was the first article i ever created though, so thanks for helping out, because i didn't know what to do with all that info, and am still a bit confused. just keep in touch, if you can, so i can help spread the knowledge of what to do when creating articles to others that are having problems similar to mine. i appreciate your response, and would like to know about any tips you can give me regarding this. happy holidays!

Evolution

Yeah, the POV-pushers get annoying but there are enough people monitoring the article that it isn't too much of a problem. You had a good idea... I moved the link into the first paragraph at least, it had previously been in the fourth. Maybe that will deter at least some of them. Sheep81 (talk) 22:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Robert Milligan (Bradford MP)

I've removed your unreferenced tag, as the article clearly states its source in Rayment's peerage pages. PamD (talk) 11:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The relevant info is at http://www.angeltowns.com/town/peerage/bcommons4.htm , scroll down to see "Bradford". References in this format are used on a large number of sites for UK constituencies and MPs. PamD (talk) 12:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The Sensations

Hi, I saw you tagged this for notability. You do not feel that the notability is sufficiently established by charting a hit single (see WP:MUSIC)? Chubbles (talk)

I'm sorry, but I believe you've mischaracterized All Music Guide. Allmusic does have a blog outlet (as do, say, The Washington Post and other media organizations), but what I have cited are part of the Allmusic database. Allmusic is perhaps the most reliable online source for music, especially American music. In fact, WP:MUSIC actually recommends the use of this database. Chubbles (talk) 03:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Gaterell

Regarding that page, I'd be happy to undelete it, but on review it still really has no real content whatsoever, and the final sentence is pretty odd: "Primary research shows the family spread around the world this claim was made by Ryan-Martin-Ronald-Steven-John-Read-Barnstonworth-Gaterel". Also, the article in no way indicates the relative importance of commonness of the surname: I'm not sure it's Wikipedia's goal to include all of them. As I said, I'll be happy to undelete if you've got a better version ready, but the current one is likely to get re-deleted again by someone else if I restore it. Some quick googling shows that at least one good reference page exists to start from: http://www.4crests.com/gaterell-coat-of-arms.html. Turnstep (talk) 14:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome!

Thank you so much for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I have been using WP for a while now but I just started creating pages listed in my states to-do list. It is great fun! Deahcory (talk) 22:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate the welcome, especially the comment about wastage.--Habashia (talk) 14:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome (Also)

Nice to stop lurking and have an account. -- Galimatazo (talk) 00:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

deletion notice of my article, Conversations (From A Second Story Window Album)

hey man. i realize that the album isn't released yet. but it's scheduled for release in Spring. you shoulda checked out my references i left up. its totally legit and will be expanded upon as more information on the album becomes available and also when it is eventually released it will become a full fledged start article on the album, maybe even a B. i'm wondering if theres anything else i can do besides "expand" right this instant to prevent my article from being deleted? like, is there some sort of temporary protection notice you can apply or something? thanks, Guitar freak91 (talk) 05:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

CRAP!

oh jesus. i'm sorry.. i didnt realize i wasnt allowed to remove it? the prod said that it could be removed if i disagreed with it? idk, you can put it back up, i'm extremely sorry for the misdemeanor it was not intended. so uhm.. dont take offense to what i did please? it was mere misunderstanding. i'm still relatively new to adding to Wikipedia... i hope you understand? please? Guitar freak91 (talk) 06:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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i'm hoping you got my apology? please respond.. i dont wanna make enemies or anything.. i probably sound like a whining little kid. but hey, i seriously dont wanna cause any problems or anything, and i admit my mistake and all.. Guitar freak91 (talk) 06:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

thanks

yeah i see that... lol. a few articles i've already created are Decimate the Weak, 2006 Promo, A Cold Day in Hell, and The Tides of Tragedy. I've also fiddled with numerous Artist pages to make them more accurate. The problem is these American Death Metal bands, their information is so hard to come by because they're all underground. but thats the type of music i like =). i saved all that i added for Conversations in notepad, so i still have it even if it gets deleted, so no worries i guess. thanks man =)Guitar freak91 (talk) 06:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

VENTURE: An Alternative Rock Band

Hi, Recently, I wrote an article for Wikipedia. I am the manager of a rock band, and I wrote the article in my own words describing the history of VENTURE. Unfortunately, the article was quickly tagged as plagarism, copyright infringement, etc.

I'm not sure if I am contacting the correct person, but your name was at the bottom of the flagged article notice.

I don't know how to place a "hangon" to the article, or how to dispute the article, and have it added to Wikipedia.

I added a source of publication (Inside Connection Magazine) in an attempt to "justify" the bands existence according to the Wikipedia rules. It was my understanding that contributions must be "justified" by having a legitimate source, such as a published magazine article.

The wikipedia article VENTURE: An Alternative Rock Band was written by ME, in my own words. How can I add the original article to Wikipedia?

Thank you,

Michael Manager ~VENTURE~ www.myspace.com/venture —Preceding unsigned comment added by Venturemgr (talk • contribs) 17:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

why delete cheenu pillai

I had added an article on cheenu pillai, who is an emerging artist from india. Articles about him have been regularly appearing on all newspapers in India ( I had quoted two references as well) I have given added an image of a painting, for which i have digital rights.How better do I justify that he is a noteable artist?

--Silkfort (talk) 09:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)silkfort 31 december 2007