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Check what the citation says.
The citation 49 on earwigs DOES say that bugs such as earwigs can and do crawl into people’s ears.107.77.230.32 (talk) 07:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- I don't have access to the book, but I found an alternative source in support and restored your edit. Shyamal (talk) 07:52, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- that’s fine, but just for accuracy, I didn’t go to a book. Ref 49 is at snopes website.107.77.230.32 (talk) 07:57, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- but I also knew from my boss in a rural town waking up in pain . Doctor then removed earwig from her ear.107.77.230.32 (talk) 08:00, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- that’s fine, but just for accuracy, I didn’t go to a book. Ref 49 is at snopes website.107.77.230.32 (talk) 07:57, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
142.68.60.176
Please block user:142.68.60.176 right away because she is vandalizing after being reported to AIV. CLCStudent (talk) 01:27, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Page move request 14
Hello Shyamal, welcome back. I would like to request a move of Paracorynactis hoplites to its monotypic genus page. The genus page is currently a redirect with minimal page history. Thanks, Loopy30 (talk) 02:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Regarding Censorship and WP:BLP
@Shyamal You say "If you are editing core encyclopaedic articles and adding references from newspapers, blogs and other web sources, please stop, you are not helping as we all deserve better quality sources. Here are some places where reliable sources can be found." , However, on a recent edit by someone in the same field as you you violated this rule directly and added nj.com. Why did you do that? ThePuppetSmasher (talk) 10:08, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- @ThePuppetSmasher: - 1) that was not a core encyclopaedic article 2) you are not making a strong case for nj.com being unreliable - there are plenty of alternative sources for whatever was added - you know very well that it is public information and the court information on Case number 17001599 is found easily at https://portal.njcourts.gov/ExternalPGPA/home.jsp - the defendant pleaded guilty and was charged. WP:BLP is very clear and it does not support the addition of material about accusations and charges but there is no protection for sentences. The only reasons to seek removal of the added information would be 1) if the court records were expunged or sealed as mentioned on the NJ court website - (and possibly if the case was under appeal) 2) if the subject is a citizen of the EU, they have a legal option to exercise their Right to be forgotten. Any attempts at censorship here would only boomerang and lead to the media picking it up and making it more well-known (see Streisand effect). Your claim that my edit constitutes COI because I have an interest in entomology is strange. I would have a COI if I knew the subject personally and was making uncited additions or deleting well-cited content to make a specific point or push a specific agenda - either positive or negative. I am well within my administrative remit to prevent surreptitious edits to hide what is publicly known to be true. Shyamal (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Shyamal, read every word of WP:NPF, then address each one if you would like to feel as if everything you just said is actually true. You’ve never addressed that specific part: exactly what WP:NPF says. You’ve just thrown straw men at it. “Only include material relevant to the subjects reason for notability.”
Oh, and if you answer like the IPV6 address did on the talk page...well...you just got caught. 2600:1:C375:9DCD:61A5:5D48:EA0:8CFA (talk) 14:25, 3 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:C375:9DCD:61A5:5D48:EA0:8CFA (talk) 14:23, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Nomination of Jewell water filter for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jewell water filter is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewell water filter until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Velella Velella Talk 16:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Page move request 15
Hello Shyamal, I would like to request a move of Dactylotrochus cervicornis to its monotypic genus page. The genus page is currently a redirect with minimal page history. Thanks, Loopy30 (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
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Page move request 16
Hello Shyamal, I would like to request a move of Balanopsammia wirtzi to its monotypic genus page. The genus page is currently a redirect with minimal page history. Thanks again, Loopy30 (talk) 15:13, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
National Archives of India template
Note to self "Foundation of Mouat Scholarships in the Calcutta University". New Delhi: National Archives of India. 1883. PR_000003043947.
Edit from Emirates on air. IP 57.190.1.19 (talk) 14:52, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Ernst Schütz
Hello Shyamal, I'm not coming to Cape Town. I will try to go to Wikimaia next year. I can't help if the man in the picture is Ernst Schütz. I don't have a book with a picture of him.--Falkmart (talk) 15:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Page move request 17
Hello Shyamal, a more complicated one for you this time. I would like to request a move of Metridium dianthus back to its original page (Metridium senile). When the recognized taxonomy of the species changed (May 2018 version here), the page was moved to its present title. Now however, the recognized taxonomy has changed back so that Metridium senile and Metridium dianthus are separate species again (reference here). The material in the existing M. dianthus page all was written for M.senile. After the move, I intend on creating a new stub page for M. dianthus. If you would feel more comfortable with me requesting it through WP:RM/TR instead then just let me know. Thanks, Loopy30 (talk) 16:03, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Loopy30:
Done - you should be able to start the entry on M. dianthus soon. Shyamal (talk) 03:24, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Page move request 18
Hello Shyamal, I would like to request a move of the genus page Manicina back to its original page, Manicina areolata. In Sep 2017 when the two pages were merged, there was only one recognized species and the genus was considered as monotypic. However, with the addition of two extinct species (WoRMS ref here), the genus is now recognized to be polytypic. After the move, I intend on restoring the genus page back to its pre-merge state and then listing all three species. Thanks again, Loopy30 (talk) 17:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done Sorry User:Loopy30 - I somehow forgot this and got held up with other things - mainly this automated list of missing ornithologists (which really needs to be cleaned up on wikidata). Shyamal (talk) 16:13, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Shyamal, it was still less than 24 hours and not everyone is even on every day! Will the automated list of missing ornithologists be updated automatically too, or is it just populated initially automatically? 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, it is automatically updated everyday but you can force an update too. The thing is many of them have been claimed as ornithologists for just writing a book on birds or worse. Some of them are missing nationalities and so on on the Wikidata site - so it really is a cross-language effort but it seems like a good indicator of gaps across languages (and the Anglophone biases). Shyamal (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Shyamal, it was still less than 24 hours and not everyone is even on every day! Will the automated list of missing ornithologists be updated automatically too, or is it just populated initially automatically? 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Precious
birds of India illustrated
Thank you for thousands of quality articles around birds and their watchers, from Birdwatchers' Field Club of Bangalore in 2002 to Baldassare Palazzotto in 2018, for a focus on the birds of India, for quality illustrations, mainly for bird articles, for collaboration, for the quotes of wisdom on your user page, - repeating (9 August 2010}: you are an awesome Wikipedian!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Heh, Danke schön! @Gerda Arendt:! Shyamal (talk) 06:54, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Page move request 19
Hello Shyamal, I would like to request a move of the page Montastraea cavernosa to its genus page Montastraea, and over-writing the current content. Although the genus page has some history, the genus is now considered as monotypic and none of the content on the current genus page should be retained as relevant. Thanks, Loopy30 (talk) 03:01, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Loopy30: - what is the situation of Montastraea aperta? Will move once I hear from you. Shyamal (talk) 04:32, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
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Page move request 20
Hello Shyamal, I would like to request a move of the genus page Plesiastrea back to its original page, Plesiastrea versipora. In Mar 2015, when the species page was moved to the genus title, there was only one recognized species and the genus was considered as monotypic. However, with the addition of three extinct species (WoRMS ref here), the genus is now recognized to be polytypic. After the move, I intend on re-creating the genus page as a stub to list all four species. 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 12:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Page move request 21
Hello Shyamal, I would like to request a move of the former suborder page Endocoelantheae to its accepted name, Actinernoidea. The taxon Endocoelantheae has been re-classified from a suborder to a superfamily and re-named to Actinernoidea. The current Actinernoidea page is a redirect to Anenthemonae, the parent taxon of Actinernoidea, and has no other visible history, so I am not sure why I do not have the permission to move it myself, Many thanks, Loopy30 (talk) 03:48, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Userboxes
I saw your userpage and was impressed by the userboxes there. Especially the one about your first computer. I would like to put a userbox in my userpage stating that my first computer ran MS-DOS. I do not know if there already exists a template for such a userbox or if I would have to create it myself.
Did you have to make your own BBC computer userbox, or did you find the template on some Wikipedia page (which might also contain the one I would like to use)? SilSinn9821 (talk) 01:15, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- @SilSinn9821: Many of the templates exist, but you can make your own - see Template:Userbox with some image like File:Dos_prompt.svg or you could use a pre-existing template like this Shyamal (talk) 04:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
This user once used DOS back in the day.
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This Month in GLAM: September 2018
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Happy Dipawali Shyamal ! |
-Gazal world (talk) 11:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Gazal world: - Thank you, hope you had a peaceful and unpolluting festival too. Shyamal (talk) 09:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Spider id/resources
Any idea if this is a common box spider? From a tree hollow in BRT. This got me checking for spider id communities on WP/commons. COuld you point me to any? prashanthns (talk) 10:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Prashanthns: It is an Opiliones ... not actually a spider. Shyamal (talk) 10:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- Ah! Thanks @Shyamal: prashanthns (talk) 11:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Request for Peer Review help
Hi, I'm currently prepping the article on the theropod dinosaur Irritator for FA candidacy and have submitted it for peer review here,[1] just to see how close it is to the criteria and if there's anything that can be fixed before nominating it. I saw you were one of the editors on the volunteers list for natural sciences articles, so would you be willing to give it a look?
Much appreciated. ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:39, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- @PaleoGeekSquared: - I think you would find more qualified peers at the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs. Thanks for asking but the thing is that the article looks rather good, which, in my case, would suggest that my expertise is too limited! Shyamal (talk) 06:36, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Strepsiptera
A couple of points. There is a difference between a common name and a descriptive phrase. When I found the article this afternoon it said "twisted-wing parasites" which is not what Strepsiptera means anyway. "Twisted-wing insects" is only slightly better, because what the name means is "twisted-wings" or "twisted-winged ones". Those clumsy descriptions are plainly someone's arbitrary coinages that bear no relationship to common names because they reflect no common name usage, in contrast to say, ladybird or dragonfly. And the fact that say, "twisted-wing parasites" and "twisted-wing insects" are strings of English words does not turn them into "common names", but rather descriptions, and not good descriptions at that. As old-timers go, I am as old as most, and started younger than most, and the only common or informal name I ever encountered was stylops. It was only in my formal studies that I discovered that Stylops also was a genus. If you go back to the 19th century or so, (even before my time (just! :-) )they all spoke of stylops. Nary a "Twisted-wing insect" in sight, let alone "twisted-wing parasites". No non-technical reader to confuse, because very few non-entomologists, let alone non-zoologists ever hear or care about them, or even would wonder what they are if they saw one.
I am not yet undoing your edit, but can we think about it? I have checked and found "stylops" in several dictionaries, both specifically for the genus, and generally as a common name for the order. But I have not seen the three-word versions; all the ones who used the longer versions seemed to have got it from WP. After all, we don't speak of "fringed-wing insects" for thrips or "membrane-wing insects" for Hymenoptera.
I also checked your 1909 ref, for which thanks, and it seems to be the authentic source for the usage, which in fact confirms my speculation. The author said: "The greater part of these names mean "twisted-winged;" hence we may call them the "twisted-winged parasites". This he does without any logical justification whatsoever for ignoring all the names, and then proceeds not to use the proposed term even once more in his document. Plainly he did not find it useful himself. So why should we? Stylops is much older nd is used in derived terms such as "stylopized" and is recognised in major dictionaries. Why the longer phrase? JonRichfield (talk) 18:55, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- Naturally this insect group is rather unusual and rare - so hardly anyone would encounter it (esp. the winged male of which one has any hope of finding only by keeping a stylopized host as a lure) or have reason to talk about it with friends and neighbours - but entomologists do like to have a name for use by commoners (esp. for educational use with children and laypersons) which avoids Greek-and-Latin and this is of course not the same thing as "common" as in commonly used/encountered name which is at the centre of eternal arguments on "Article Titles" and move-debates - and I hope no one is thinking of moving the article out of its place at "Strepsiptera". Entomology educators have used such contrived English names for long - see https://bugguide.net/node/view/9667 and it is a useful device to remember the etymology of Strepsiptera even if the phrase is not used elsewhere in the article - for a better idea of usage - please try a search for the terms along with the site operator site:archive.org which gives a lot of historic hits (not just the one I picked). https://www.google.com/search?q=%22twisted+winged+insects%22+site%3Aarchive.org - I agree that "twisted-wing parasite" has less traction. Although Stylops has been used and worth including in the lead, it would also not be suitable for use in the main text as it could be misunderstood in the narrow sense that indicates a specific genus. I of course have no objection to indicating that Stylops and Stylopids is/was also used as names for the group of insects. The example here is not comparable to descriptive phrases as in "membrane-wing insects" - (ants, bees and wasps is how one could refer to them in common parlance). The text has been around for a while and I do not see a need to remove these names simply because nobody needs to know it. Historic usage needs to be retained at least somewhere in the article if not the lead. @JonRichfield: Shyamal (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Pax
First I must wish you too a Happy Christmas and a rewarding New Year. When I added the note I did not consider the son (Ferdinand Albert Pax) and I may have confused father and son.You are almost certainly right and the son is by far the better option but proof is more problematic and may not be forthcoming at least without extensive research and that by a German speaker. Here is another case of confusion According to Robert J. Spinner, Jean-François Vincent, and Alexandra P. Wolanskyj , 2011 (Discovering the elusive Beauchêne: The originator of the disarticulated anatomic technique. Clinical Anatomy 24 (7) 797–801) the Beauchêne skull was the creation of Edmé François Chauvot de Beauchêne not his relative Claude Beauchene who is almost always credited as the inventor. This conclusion is part based on Edmé François’ known career as an anatomist.Hard evidence is elusive but the circumstantial facts are convincing.Warm regards Robert aka Notafly (talk) 16:23, 24 December 2018 (UTC) PS On holiday I reread some Kipling - Tales of the Raj - which was in the hotel library.These days he isn’t admired and there are many detractors but his love of India and its many peoples is surely there and he is a joy to read. Warm regards again Robert aka Notafly (talk) 16:23, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Fathers and Sons
Hard to say whether these are posthumous works by the botanist John Templeton edited by his son Robert Templeton or whether Robert undertook rather more than the titles would suggest.But we all leave behind a trail of unfinished work and unused correspondence.R aka Notafly (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
- 1836. Catalogue of Irish Crustacea, Myriapoda and Arachnoida, selected from the papers of the late John Templeton Esq. Mag. Nat. Hist.. 9: 9-14 [2]
- 1836a. A catalogue of the species annulose animals and of rayed ones found in Ireland as selected from the papers of the late J Templeton Esq. of Cranmore with localities, descriptions and illustrations. Mag. Nat. Hist. . 9: 233- 240; 301 305; 417-421; 466 -472.[3]
- 1837. Irish vertebrate animals selected from the papers of the late . John Templeton Esq., Mag. Nat. Hist . 1: (n. s. ): 403-413 403 -413.[4]
Page move request 22
Hello Shyamal, I would like to request a move of Bickella antarctica to its monotypic genus page. The genus page is currently a redirect with minimal page history. Thanks, Loopy30 (talk) 04:33, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- I am on mobile internet and it is a bit poor right now. Strange mwexception error at the moment. Will try again later. Shyamal (talk) 13:19, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- No worries, perhaps Pvmoutside could assist? Loopy30 (talk) 13:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- all set...Pvmoutside (talk) 14:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- No worries, perhaps Pvmoutside could assist? Loopy30 (talk) 13:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Loopy30 (talk) 15:39, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I've been working up this article with a view eventually to take it to FAC. I just today got round to looking at the talk page and saw this ancient edit by you. I'm guessing that whatever reason you had back then no longer applies, but since I've also covered the Book of Games I thought I'd just double-check that I haven't overlooked something, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Good to hear @Jimfbleak:, at that time I thought it was probably erroneously attributed to this Willughby but I have no doubts about your research (and Tim Birkhead's). Shyamal (talk) 09:52, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Ponnunky pitta
Hi, today by chance (I wasn't reseaching pittas) I hit upon "Ponnunky pitta" at the end of Ray's Synopsis methodica only to discover that yesterday you had added it to the Indian pitta article - and in 2016 you had created the Edward Bulkley article. I have a couple of questions. You state in the figure caption in the Bulkley article that the picture was drawn by an Indian artist and that the originals are in the British Library. I had assumed the pictures had been drawn by Bulkley. In the caption you cited Ali (1979) but he doesn't mention an Indian artist. Where did you get your information from? In the description on Commons File:Madras_Birds.jpg you mention that the coloured originals are in the British Library. What is your source for this info? I found an article on James Petiver and then searched the BL (Explore Archives and Manuscripts) for "Sloane MS 4066". (When I save the link it doesn't work) One of my hits had "James Petiver, FRS" in the title and this included: "f. 292 Edward Bulkley, of Fort St. George: Letters to J. Petiver.: 1699-1713/4, and n.d. " Which isn't very useful. Note n.d. means "not dated". So I don't really know whether the picture is included and whether the decision to add the Indian birds was taken by Ray before he died in 1705 or by Derham (the latter seems more likely). cheers -Aa77zz (talk) 21:28, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- About the original illustration source - I was surprised to come across it some years ago on the cover of a book - https://link.springer.com/book/10.1057/9781137380203 - a friend of mine who knew the authors got me a scan of the original from the British Library. Surprisingly the authors did not know about the use of the picture in Ray's work. In the book, it is noted as Icones Avium Maderaspatanarum BL ADD MS 5266, ff.91-2 - they state "Bulkley also sent drawings and paintings copied from or by local artists". I tend to agree that this is a local artist without much bird knowledge due to the stereotyped down-curved bill of all the birds. About the dates and whether Ray took the decision or not I do not know, these clearly went from Bulkley to Petiver during the latters life (pre-1718). Shyamal (talk) 03:24, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- I've added the Winterbottom chapter in the description to the picture on Commons. For some reason I cannot find "BL ADD MS 5266" in the BL Catalogue but I can find the letters that Winterbottom mentions. It could be typo but she gives the same BL reference for the painting in her PhD thesis. - Aa77zz (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Help
Hi sir, linsi here from St. Joseph's college, have attended your workshop and would like to talk help.Sparrowline (talk) 10:32, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Sparrowline: Thanks for attending, let me know if you need any help. Shyamal (talk) 10:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia workshop
Hi, I attended your talk today. Sailens (talk) 10:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia workshop
Hi, I attended your Wikipedia workshop in St Joseph's College Bangalore. Hoping to see you again.
ArmedHermit (talk) 10:29, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- @ArmedHermit: Thanks for attending. Shyamal (talk) 10:30, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello Sir, I attended your Wikipedia workshop in St.Joseph's College, Bangalore. Supersaravana (talk) 10:40, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Workshop
I attended your workshop. Trying my hand at this. Janani9010 (talk) 10:40, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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Making dents in history is always interseting. Thankyou for the workshop. Aasman98 (talk) 10:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Shyamal:- Hi Sir, I created a new account!
Shawarma98 (talk) 14:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Shyamal:- Hi sir, I translated a page in hindi but i am unable to look at the the translated version, there appears no such push button which opens the page in the translated version.Shawarma 18:59, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Shawarma98: Iam able to see your translation here https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/सेंट_जोसेफ_कॉलेज,_बैंगलोर
Thank you for this insightful workshop. Hope to attend more. Kavya c s (talk) 10:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Sir, can we use the Beta feature to translate and edit pages or we need to do it manually? Thank You! Aasman98 (talk) 05:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Aasman98: - yes, most certainly. For some strange reason the translate tool does not work for me though and I normally translate manually on rare occasions using Google Translate. Shyamal (talk) 05:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Aasman98 (talk) 05:12, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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- @Shyamal:-- Thank you!
Aasman98 (talk) 05:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Bhadani
Just FYI those messages are automatically posted by WP:TWINKLE. I apologize for disturbing the page of an editor who is deceased, but as an editor with 16 years you should be pretty familiar with how Twinkle works... --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:56, 26 February 2019 (UTC)