User talk:Rossrs/archive2

I Believe In You page

Hey! I have just expanded the page and hope to expand more of Kylie Minogue's singles pages but I was wondering if you could help me. The section about the music video is very small and undetailed. I was wondering if you could help add to it or look for a good screencap from the video. Thanks so much. Underneath-it-All 18:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I love the screenshot! Underneath-it-All 16:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Susan Atkins

Hello, could you add references to cover the facts in this article Susan Atkins? --FloNight 23:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Rock Hudson

Hi, I've added the source url on the Rock Hudson image. Thanks. --speedoflight | talk to me 17:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Biography

Template:Infobox Biography has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Infobox Biography. Thank you. DreamGuy 07:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Image Image:Maxy.eastmany.jpg

Hello. Thank you for reminding me. (It was one of the first pictures I uploaded when I was new here and didn't really understand everything.) I added the source for the image now, but I'm not 100% sure it is fair use. Although the image is at least 65 years old, probably more... Bronks 9 january 2006.

Would you consider my candidate list?

I've been working on a project of my own that's up for featured status. Would you give it a look? List of notable brain tumor patients Durova 06:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

• What a coincidence. I'd been looking at the list earlier, but I didn't realize it was nominated. I have a passing interest (morbid fascination) with brain tumours as my father died from one about 20 years. I guess it's a case of recognition factor - when I hear or think of someone with the illness, it goes through my mind "right, I know what you're going through". It's great that you took the care to reference each entry so precisely. Good luck with the nomination. Rossrs 06:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Vivien_Leigh_1958.jpg

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that when an image is hosted at Wikimedia Commons, there is no need to re-upload the image to other Wikimedia projects, such as en:Wikipedia. The image can be used directly by ever project with normal image syntax. If you could point me at any other images that you may have done this with I would be happy to delete the duplicates. Thanks, and happy editing. Jkelly 19:29, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem, you're welcome, and great work on the article. Jkelly 00:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:FreedHardemanUniversityBellTower.jpg

Hello. Thanks for letting me know about needing a source for the above image. It was one of the first images I uploaded. The image was from a photograph taken by me. I've added the appropriate tags, so I don't think there is a need to delete it. If I'm mistaken, please let me know. Thanks! -Ichabod 14:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Frederick F. Houser.gif

I found that image on his campaign poster and I feel that it is fair use to reuse the picture. Cmdrbond 17:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Image Freddroid RPG

Hi !

I found the game is completly under License: GNU General Public License (GPL). Here is the external link. I will modify the data about this Image:Freedroidrpg.jpg but do not hesitate do contact me again if ANY problem. On the worst case, we could contact the conceptors/developpers/programmers/designers ?

Thnks , good work ; have a nice day(/night). Friendly, pyl 23:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

PS I just modifyed the image, but i'm not sure whether the data are correctly placed.

Image: Frantisek Janak

Hi Rossrs. I indictaed the URL where I took that image from - though I am unsure as to the license. Can you have a look at it please?

Thanks, User:Colm Rice

Image:FredSwanton.gif

Go ahead and remove the image. The page it linked to is already gone because I never got the time to get all the information for it that I had planned. I keep finding more info about him, anyway, so hopefully I can find the copyright holders and upload it again then. Sorry for the ambiguity.
–Whaleyland 20:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Irkutsk map

I have put this at the map's image page:

"This map's source is here, with the uploader's modifications, and the GMT homepage says that the tools are released under the GNU General Public License."

By the way, this goes for all OMC maps, and there are lots of them on Wikipedia created by me or others. Kelisi 23:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Minogue

I really don't know which images should be removed, but I agree that there are too many. I've commenced a Featured article review with some other comments and a FMP evaluation, so maybe some other people will have some suggestions. Tuf-Kat 20:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

IFD

Hi, I'm cleaning up the IFD backlog, and I ran into a few images you listed. This is just a reminder that you need to always contact the uploader when listing images. Thanks for your work, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 14:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. I wanted to try to answer your questions. Over at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion, under "Instructions: Listing images and media for deletion", it gives the steps for listing images. Step 2 is "Inform the uploader by adding a message to their talk page. You can use {{subst:idw|Image:Image name.ext}} (replace "Image name.ext" with the name of the image or media)." That's a necessary step. This is especially important in the case of orphan images (that are available under a free license), since the image could have been removed by a vandal and there would be no way to tell this.

On the other hand, if the image is unsourced, you don't have to list the image on IFD at all. You can simply add {{no source|month=January|day=24|year=2006}} (for the current date) on the image page, and then add {{subst:Image source|Image:ImageName.jpg}} --~~~~ on the uploader's talk page. Then, if a source wasn't added within 7 days, someone will delete the image. Full instructions are at Category:Images with unknown source.

If the image a fair-use image and is an orphan, there's a similar procedure. You can find it at Category:Orphaned fairuse images. These can be tagged and then deleted after 7 days, without ever being listed at IFD.

I hope this helps, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 21:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

A Thank You and an Apology

Rossrs,
I wanted to thank you for your affirmative vote on my Bob McEwen FAC. I appreciate it. I also wanted to apologize for my intemperate remarks in the James Aubrey FAC vote. I get frustrated at our fellow Wikipedians and that makes me grumpy and I say things I should not. So please accept my apologies.
What subjects have you been working on lately? Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 15:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi PedanticallySpeaking. No problem. It's nice to hear from you. I have the utmost respect for you and your work, and if you were frustrated that's a very human trait. My most recent project has been Vivien Leigh. I stumbled upon it one day, thought it deserved some attention, and then became obsessed by it. It became a FA about 2 weeks ago, and I'm most satisfied with it, of any article I've contributed to. I haven't been doing much since then -I think I may have overwikied myself on that one. Take care. Rossrs 01:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Lindsay Lohan

I believe your concerns are now addressed. :) RadioKirk talk to me 19:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

With your vote of support, the Bob McEwen article was made a featured article this morning. Thanks for your vote. PedanticallySpeaking 16:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Claudette Colbert

Wish that I knew of a source other than first hand knowledge. I knew Verna Hull rather well and worked with her. I met Claudette a time or two with Verna and many intimates knew of their relationship and adjacent houses in Barbados. Neither made a show of it, but in the 1960s it was an accepted fact among their good friends. Doc 20:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Katie Holmes

Greetings, Rossrs! Hope you are well. I've completely redone the article on the actress Katie Holmes and put it on WP:PR. If you have the time, I'd be grateful if you could add your comments to Wikipedia:Peer review/Katie Holmes/archive1. I hope to get it to WP:FAC soon. Thanks for your help. PedanticallySpeaking 16:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Greetings, Rossrs! Thanks for your comments on the peer review. I've tried to address the points you've made. I keep rereading and, alas, it seems like I find no end of errors. Let me know if you see anything else that needs attention. PedanticallySpeaking 21:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Rossrs, thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately, it's been a while since I did that and I can't remember where I found them. AriGold 21:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Joan of Arc

This time I'm hoping to bring an article to featured status. Would you take a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Joan of Arc/archive2? Best wishes, Durova 01:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Phil Collins

Just a quick thank you again for your vote of support for Phil Collins during its FAC review. I just learned that it won its nomination. (For the final results, see [[1]]). Thank you again for taking the time to review it. Your suggestions were very helpful. --Ataricodfish 06:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:JackBuetelinTheOutlaw.jpg has been listed for deletion

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I put the image on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion because it was mistagged. Although the film this screenshot is from is public domain, the colorized version of the film ISN'T. (Ibaranoff24 19:32, 15 February 2006 (UTC))

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Thank you, and have a wiki wiki day! BD2412 T 03:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Emma Watson image: Fair-use question

I'd like your opinion: At miss-watson.org (which has a huge image gallery, virtually none of which could be used on Wikipedia), six scans were made from the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Movie Poster Book, including this image. There is no question that the poster book was released to promote HPatGoF; however, the poster book was released for sale. Does the image (or, perhaps, a lower-res copy thereof) constitute fair use as a promotional image? Please reply on my talk page. RadioKirk talk to me 18:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Edit: The image is uploaded here. Please feel free to comment on the above question and my rationale for Fair Use. :) RadioKirk talk to me 19:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it could possibly affect sales in that someone wanting an image of Watson or this particular image, could download it from here rather than buy the book. I don't think it's very likely to happen, but I think that's what could be argued even if the book is no longer for sale. I think you could make a good fair use claim for it, but even so I don't think it's the best option. I agree with Carnildo that a screenshot would be a better option. As Watson does not always look "in character" as Hermione, a well chosen screenshot image would serve to illustrate her both as "herself" and as the character. Rossrs 20:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, would it be even less "likely to happen" if I uploaded an even smaller-res version of the image, or would you still suggest a screenshot? Thanks again for your attention. RadioKirk talk to me 20:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Katie Holmes

Greetings, Rossrs!
Hope your are well. Again, thank you very much for your help with this article. I've nominated it as a FAC and would appreciate your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Katie Holmes. PedanticallySpeaking 16:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Is Punk'd "irrelevant"?

I'm in the middle of a dispute with backburner001 over the Punk'd reference at Lindsay Lohan. This user says it's irrelevant. I laid out the case for its relevance—with a rewrite for clarity—and he deleted it again. His response: "I did my part – I removed content I felt was not significant and I made suggestions for improvement when I was asked for them. If you are interested in working together to fix this problem, do your part and improve the Punk’d reference or give me a legitimate reason for keeping the reference that was in there before." (Essentially, "You think it should stay? Prove it to me and me alone," which sounds awfully close to self-appointed WikiGodhood, but I've been called dramatic already. More on point, "working together" to this editor means he deletes it, but someone else has to "fix" it.) This user's page includes as a goal, "[r]emove irrelevant/trivial content", but a quick look at his edit history is telling: on 30 January, he removed from WP:MOS a "reference to naming conventions for Mormonism"; on 19 February, he deleted "2 paragraphs" from Hiram College "to keep concise". Since then, every deletion of material has been a Punk'd reference, from Lindsay Lohan, Avril Lavigne, Jena Malone, Beyoncé Knowles, Mandy Moore, Chris Klein (actor) and Proof (rapper). After we blasted each other's antagonism (real or imagined), I threatened him with a WP:3RR war and mutual blocking, and backburner001 then agreed to stop removing the reference pending the discussion that results from my Request for Comment. No matter the outcome, your input would be very much appreciated. RadioKirk talk to me 21:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Finally!

Rossrs, finally someone who understands fair use! Not only did you correctly tag and provide a source for Image:VivienLeighTimeMagazine1939.jpg, but you provided a fair use rationale! I'm keeping that image. Well done, mate. Keep up the good work! - Ta bu shi da yu 11:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Question

On the Tyrone Power page, are we required to use the Karsh photo at the top? Are we required to use it at all if we have the other one? Not only has it been replaced, but there is an ugly comment in the discussion, not that I actually understand it, and there was no discussion re the photo, it was just put back in. If the Karsh photo has to be used, there's no point in going to dispute (not that we're exactly sure how to do that either). Please if you can let us know.Chandler75 18:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

please see my comment on the talk, there is more going on here than meets the eye. Thanks Arniep 20:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Giving You Up

Hey, since you did a wonderful job on the screencap for "I Believe in You". I was wondering if you could find another one for "Giving You Up" in your spare time. The one that is on the page now is too close-up and does nothing to expand on the section written on the video. Thnaks. Underneath-it-All 21:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks anyways. Underneath-it-All 13:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your advice and counsel regarding the photo on the Tyrone Power page. I understand everything much better now and appreciated your comments.Chandler75 21:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Appreciate your wonderful advice, counsel, and weigh-in.Chandler75 22:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, now the accusations are really flying on the Tyrone Power talk page, totally peripheral to the subject. Do we have to keep the awful Karsh IN the article, or can it be removed? If it needs to stay there (now it's at the bottom), fine, but inquiring minds want to know, although as Arnie believes, we are all but one mind.Chandler75 00:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC) Chandler75 00:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks again for the ideas. I sent an email through wikipedia to the person goldenfran or something that she should consult with you, because it looks like she's been doing all the photo stuff. I'm sure you both can come up with something. We'll see what is decided re Karsh. I have seen his gorgeous black and white photos of images and his kind of sturdy black and white photos of people - but this - this - very disappointing.Chandler75 17:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots on Tyrone Power Page

Wanted to thank you for your suggestion on the screenshots on the Tyrone Power page. I have left a response on the Power discussion page which explains my thoughts on the screenshots. goldenerafn 23:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks again for all your suggestions on the Ty Power board. I have registered my extreme distaste for the current Witness photo. But I don't want to get into a big thing about it and I'll go along with whatever is decided. Perhaps something else will surface.Chandler75 00:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Sound sample

In retrospect to this edit, I was wondering if you could add a sound sample to the We Belong Together article. Journalist and myself are planning on submitting it to featured article candidates in the near future, however, had been hesitant to do so. Sound samples are included in various featured articles documenting songs, so if you had any spare time on your hands, it would be most appreciated. —Eternal Equinox | talk 16:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Anytime is good, don't rush yourself. Thanks! —Eternal Equinox | talk 16:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the sound sample on "We Belong Together" — it was greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work! Oran e (t) (c) (e) 04:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

No, it's quite excellent. And I'm glad you chose that specific portion of the song, which I had also been thinking. —Eternal Equinox | talk 15:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

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Bruce Johnson

Greetings, Rossrs!
Hope this message finds you well. You voted on the previous FAC nomination of Ohio's lieutenant governor Bruce Johnson. I've resubmitted it and would appreciate your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bruce Johnson. PedanticallySpeaking 21:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Excessive use of unlicensed images

Hi Carnildo, do you know of any way of tagging articles that have an excessive number of claimed fair use images? Two examples : Ascension (Stargate) (11 fair use images) and Chanel Cole (an astonishing 22 fair use images!). Both are listed on cleanup, and with the latter article I've been communicating with the uploader who is very reluctant to co-operate. There were 24 images, I explained to him that most needed to be removed and he removed 2 of them with a sarcastic edit summary :-) Great response. Have been in contact with him since but I'm not getting anywhere. Short of just removing the images from the articles, which I'm sure with the latter article will just be reverted, can you please suggest what should be done? thank you. Rossrs 13:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I know someone (possibly User:Gmaxwell) came up with a report of the most widely-used fair-use images; he might be able to create a report on articles with too many fair-use images.

For actually getting images removed, try contacting Wikipedia:WikiProject Fair use or Wikipedia:Fair use review. --Carnildo 08:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Carnildo. I'll keep all of this in mind. The Chanel Cole article has gone from 22 to zero fair use images as a result of being tagged "cleanup". Plus in addition to removing the images, the text has been improved, so I'm happy with that. I'll follow your suggestions for any others I happen to find. Rossrs 13:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Chanel Cole

I understand that you're a Marcia Hines fan and most probably loathe Chanel and take most of what was said in the article personally, but I'm still a little confused by what I see as a rather passionate, angry response to a few simple mistakes in the article. Couldn't we find some kind of a middle ground instead of quickly tagging and deleting every image in the article and taking out almost every SINGLE adjective or descriptive word? I was merely trying to make the langauge and page more colourful, of course I went overboard and ventured into "fancruft" territory. But I don't apprechiate being dismissed as "reluctant" just because I'm not on the Internet for hours upon hours, obsessing over every little detaill in a Wikipedian article. Although I'm not exactly new to Wikipedia, I'm still getting used to writing articles and uploading images. I still don't understand all this fair use stuff. I see from above that people are thanking you for your help but all I seem to be getting is the cold shoulder and I can't help but feel like I've offended you in some way. 09:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)Pinchofhope

Thanks

Thanks again for being the voice of reason. I had no problem with the suggestions Jere made, it's just that nothing was decided upon or implemented and we got nowhere. We exchanged emails last night. What a case to start out with! I'm weary of that page and looking at that godawful photo. I was looking forward to doing work on some other articles, but I've lost my taste for it. I think I'll go back to updating imdb.com. Anyway, you are a real delight, and I wish everyone were like you. Take care.Chandler75

Hey, Ross, guess who - I see there were some new posts etc. I re-read Jere's suggestions. I'm like a dog with a bone. I would still like to see the Karsh moved down and smaller and I don't see any reason why it can't be done. I sent a message to golden, since I'm not good with photos and suggested that it be moved. There's no reason why we can't say, as per the mediation, this is the compromise. What do you think, sick of it and poor Tyrone (who at this point couldn't care less) though you may be. I also said the bi section is more in proportion with all that s/he added into the rest of the page, it's down further, and I think a person can easily read it and decide for themselves. I'm not going to say it's balanced because I think our references are more reliable, but it could stand. I need to see this through before leaving. I don't know why if we all want it that the Karsh can't be at the bottom. Anyway, I think Golden thought you gave in by apologizing. I replied that I believe you would like to see something come out of this after all this rigamarole and it is perhaps the only way, by being conciliatory. Just for the record, apologizing is the last thing I'm doing, but I congratulate you for being a bigger person.Chandler75

Wikipedia:Peer review/Mariah Carey/archive2

Hi! I was wondering whether you would like to comment on the peer review for the Mariah Carey article, on which I have performed a recent rewrite (see Wikipedia:Peer review/Mariah Carey/archive2). You don't have to if you're too busy or anything, but it's just that you are really great with popular culture-related articles, and I remember you mentioning somewhere that you helped write the Kylie Minogue article, which I think is the best Wikipedia article about a contemporary celebrity. Anyway, thanks. Extraordinary Machine 00:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying on the peer review. About the sound samples: you really don't know how much this means, I am completely clueless with sound samples and I don't think my computer can make them anyway. Here's a list of some of the ideas for songs that could be used for sound samples, with brief rationale of why their inclusion in the article would constisute fair use:

1. "Vanishing", from Mariah Carey (as it relates to the discussions in the article of the presence of both gospel and piano music in much of Carey's work);
2. "Emotions", from Emotions (it relates to discussions of Carey's voice because it is the song where her wide vocal range and whistle register abilities are most prominent);
3. The David Morales remix of "Fantasy" (it relates to discussions of Carey's collaborations with Morales, the remixes of her material in general, and her popularity in the club scene, and also this remix is considered one of her best), I think that a shortened version of it appears as the "Interlude" on Daydream;
4. "One Sweet Day", from Daydream (it is one of her biggest hits, it relates to discussions of Carey's perception as an MOR/soul singer, and it is possible her most famous collaboration);
5. "Honey", from Butterfly (from what I've read it was her first single to contain heavy influences of hip hop and R&B, so it relates to discussions of that, and its lyrics relate to the discussions of her development of a more overtly sexual image after her separation from Tommy Mottola).

I'm not sure if all of these could qualify as fair use, and obviously you are by no means obliged to create any of them, but these are just some ideas. If you can think up any better choices (or if more than five could be used in the article without pushing the fair use limit), then by all means. Once again, thank you so much. Extraordinary Machine 21:02, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, "Vanishing" is the first song that Columbia let her co-produce. Good point about the MTV performance, I didn't consider that. How about not the album cut of "Emotions", but instead the live version from her Unplugged EP? That would mean that the sample could relate to both the discussions of her "showy" vocals and the MTV appearance, especially as (from what I've read) she shows off her high notes even more in live performances of "Emotions" than she does on the album version. But if you have already done that sample then it doesn't matter. Thanks again, by the way. I agree with you about how sometimes there are conflicting objections on FA nominations; e.g. as you saw on the We Belong Together FAC, there was one user who objected because there weren't chart trajectories included, and now there's another user objecting because there are :). Extraordinary Machine 17:36, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Again, thank you so much. I don't really mind about which remix it was, it was just I thought that it would be good to have a sample representing the discussion of her remixes. And I think that your captions look good, even the "We Belong Together" one, which I found funny :). Extraordinary Machine 22:13, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots on Tyrone Power page

Greetings. I don't know what happened to the message I left you earlier, I guess it never made it. I had commented that the page was looking quite good but the Karsh photo size keeps changing. Now apparently the Karsh photo has been made even larger and the screenshots have been made even smaller. Also, the bi section is gone, undoubtedly soon to be back - I shudder to think in what form. It was asked that no changes be made without discussion. I don't know what has to happen before people realize that none of this has anything to do with having the best interests of Wikipedia at heart. The message below was left before all that happened. HOw stupid I was to think it was going to be okay.Chandler75 01:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I hope that we can get the Tyrone Power layout closer to what we had prior to Arniep’s intervening to get things rearranged. My initial reaction following the disaster of a mediation was to throw in the towel and leave Wikipedia, but, I've decided to give it another go. I suggest the following, and hope you will like these suggestions and can support this.

1) Keep the two screenshots that have been left on the page as they are now (Lloyd's of London & Witness for the Prosecution).

2) Arniep had suggested the Luck of the Irish photo, but it was removed for lack of text. I recommend that, instead of that photo, we use a screenshot from Crash Dive. You can see the screenshot:

Tyrone Power and Anne Baxter from a scene from the 1943 war film, Crash Dive.

Following is the paragraph that would support use of the photo (new text is in bold type; what was already there in normal type):

Tyrone Power’s career was interrupted in 1943 by military service. He reported to the U.S. Marines for training in late 1942, but he was sent back, at the request of 20th Century-Fox, to complete one more film, 1943’s Crash Dive, a patriotic war movie. He was credited in the movie as Tyrone Power, U.S.M.C.R., and the movie served as much as anything as a recruiting film. His leading lady, Anne Baxter, would become a favorite leading lady of his, both on the screen and on stage.

3) Put a Mark of Zorro photo back. I suggest the following that I have uploaded:

Tyrone Power and Basil Rathbone in their famous dueling scene from 1940’s The Mark of Zorro.

Following is the paragraph that would support use of the photo (no new text needed):

Tyrone Power’s last movie, fittingly, was to be in a familiar role, with sword in hand. He is perhaps best remembered as a swashbuckler, and, indeed, he was one of the finest swordsmen in Hollywood. Director Henry King said, "People always seem to remember Ty with sword in hand, although he once told me he wanted to be a character actor. He actually was quite good – among the best swordsmen in films." The great Hollywood swordsman, Basil Rathbone, who starred with him in The Mark of Zorro, commented, "Power was the most agile man with a sword I’ve ever faced before a camera. Tyrone could have fenced Errol Flynn into a cocked hat."

4) Put a Jesse James screenshot back on the page, per our earlier agreement. However, I suggest using one with the great character actor, John Carradine and putting an appropriate caption with the picture.

Jesse James (Tyrone Power) listening to Bob Ford (John Carradine), who has plotted James's murder. From the 1939 film, Jesse James

Following is the paragraph that would support use of that photo. The new part that I have written is in bold type. The normal type was already there.

Tyrone Power racked up hit after hit from 1936 until 1943, when his career was interrupted for military service. In these years, he starred in romantic comedies such as Thin Ice and Day-Time Wife; in dramas such as Suez, Blood and Sand, The Rains Came, and In Old Chicago; in the musicals, Alexander’s Ragtime Band, Second Fiddle, and Rose of Washington Square; in the westerns, Jesse James and Brigham Young; in the war films, Yank in the R.A.F. and This Above All; and, of course, the swashbucklers, The Mark of Zorro and The Black Swan. 1939’s Jesse James was a very big hit at the boxoffice, but it did receive some criticism for fictionalizing and glamorizing the famous outlaw. The movie was filmed in and around the Pineville, Missouri, area and was Power’s first location shoot. It was also his first Technicolor movie. Before his career was over, he would have filmed a total of sixteen movies in color, including the movie he was filming when he died. He was loaned out one time, to MGM for 1939’s Marie Antoinette. Darryl F. Zanuck did not feel that the movie showed Tyrone Power to best advantage, and he vowed to never again loan him out. Through the years, other studios asked for his services, but Zanuck stuck by his original decision.

5) Move JBB back to the top, since it is also a public domain photo. Move the Karsh photo down and make it more in line with the size of the other photos. (and, since it is a closeup portrait, it will need to be smaller in px, or it jumps out of the page at you). goldenerafn 04:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

All's Well That Ends Well

Received a very nice email from Arnie and responded. I was surprised but very pleased, and I think all the effort made for a great page. You of course were the voice of reason, a great asset to Wikipedia. I explained to Arnie that if you haven't been around Wikipedia for a long time, it's very hard to understand some of its concepts or to find rules. Anyway, take care, and I put a message for you on your user page you might want to get rid of. No wonder I couldn't find my last message. Take care.Chandler75 15:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Ran (film)

Gracias on striking out parts of your objection. There aren't many Wikipedians who can "agree to disagree". BTW, if I get a chance to do The Seven Samurai in the next week before I take off I'm going to follow your advice and limit myself to only a few images. Palm_Dogg 05:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

GWTW

Rossrs - thank you for your cogent discussion of the copyright issues. Although I've done a lot of editing, especially on articles of historical interest, I am not at all wel-versed on the copyright concerns expressed by you. Your article is wonderfully written. By the way, I didn't say "better image," I said "better quality image," By that I mean that, for example, if you look at the original image of Rhett and Scarlett in color, the image is too narrow and obviously distorted, their faces are squeezed left and right. Not a matter of which pic is better. There are literally HUNDREDS to chose from, so it's obviously a subjective call. I was looking for a younger clear pic of Vivien. Your b/w pic of her in 1953 is also a high quality one. How did you arrive at the conclusion that it was in the public domain as opposed to other pics? Curious about that. In any case, it was not my intent to affront anyone in the selection of the 2 pics. I'm sure you understand my intent - to try to find a photo that captured the incredible beauty and vitality of Ms. Leigh as the young woman at the time of the movie's shooting. While she remained a beauty throughout her life, not knowing the copyright issue, I thought the picture I posted better captured her in the light of how the world largely sees her, as the Scarlett character. While I took special care to fully explain the source of the 2 pics as promotional shots, that they were, we don't Ted Turner, the mouth of the South on our case, of course! In all seriousness, if there's any way to overcome possible objections, I'd hope that it could be done, but, I defer to your better background and experience. Thank you for taking the time to explain this. SimonATL 03:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

References in Popular Culture

Thanks for your suggestions! What I'd like to do is build up lists in films of actors mentioned, which happens quite frequently, and then link it back to the actor to give an idea of how many films and tv series they've been mentioned in. I think this would be interesting as well as useful information. Perhaps an extension of that could be to give a context (as you suggested) of how the name was used however initially lists would give a tangible idea of an actor's permeation into film and tv lore. What do you think? GWP 00:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC) Graham

Hello. Rather than risking having lots of discussions on lots of talk pages about this, you might like to see the section I've started at WikiProject_Films. Thanks. The JPS 09:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Kylie Minogue - Red Blooded Woman

Hi there, just letting you know I was the one who updated the US Dance chart position for "Red Blooded Woman". I looked up the info in Billboard's subscription archives to make sure it is correct, plus I have a backlog of print editions of the magaine. Apparently it only reached #24 on week of July 10, 2004. -- eo 14:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Buckowensjapan.jpg

When you have a moment... am I incorrect in questioning the fair use of this image? The three potential problems I see: 1) Its resolution may be too high; 2) The accompanying text, while mentioning his contract with Capitol, does not mention this album specifically; and, 3) There is no explanation for choosing "Album Cover" as a rationale for its use (the uploader believes simply choosing the option is sufficient). Thanks for your time. RadioKirk talk to me 17:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but as User:RadioKirk has asked me for my opinion, here it is. The resolution is not the problem. There is also not a problem with the uploading of album cover images. You are right in saying that the guidelines in uploading say that they can be used under the fair use doctrine. The isssue is in how and where the image is used. In the template that was added to the image it says that fair use is dependent upon certain factors, including that it is used "solely to illustrate the album or single in question". It is not being used "solely to illustrate the album ... in question" as the album itself is not discussed. There are some people that interpret that to mean that it can only be used in an article about the album or single itself, but the template does not actually say that. I think that a fair use claim can be made if the album or its artwork are being discussed, but this is only my opinion. The point is, that in the Buck Owens article this is not the case, so under Wikipedia's fair use guidelines and policies, it does not meet the criteria. If it was possible to include extra text in the article that discusses this album, a fair use claim could perhaps be made. Rossrs 13:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for weighing in. One question, though: does not the image page itself need a rationale for the claim of fair use (a la the pics at Lindsay Lohan), or is clicking "Album Cover" enough? RadioKirk talk to me 13:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I think "Album cover" is enough, at least for now. The main points of the fair use rationale are contained within the template, and I've never seen anyone seriously try to enforce having a set of points added (if anyone did bother, they would be extremely generic, I'm sure). Perhaps because it's being used outside of the context of the album itself, it might be beneficial, but that would only be if the text was expanded to include discussion of the album. It's different with promo pics (and other types of images) as their sources/copyrights/uses are so varied that the rationale serves to clarify. Rossrs 14:01, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. I figured, when it came to a potential copyright issue, that caution was best. :) RadioKirk talk to me 14:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

"Caution" is the official Wikipedia policy on such matters ;-) Rossrs 14:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hehe thanks. :) RadioKirk talk to me 14:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Harlow

Hello Rossrs

I contacted Wikipedia personally regarding this image; they told me to re upload it with the 'publicity' tag in the squiggly thingies which I did. I don't see the problem now. :-(

Thank you. PatrickJ83 04:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rossrs

After *extensive* searching on Google, I couldn't find a matching image except one, of very poor quality. I would be sorry to lose this as this is a really great image of her and obviously unusual. What are your suggestions?

Or maybe would it just be easier to use an official image of her from jeanharlow.com which is her official website? Let me know please! Thanks! PatrickJ83 04:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rossrs

Me again. Just wanted to add that I suddenly remember where I got that image - Jean Harlow's MySpace page. Not an official page obviously but that's where I got it from!

www.myspace.com/jeanharlow

PatrickJ83 07:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting that out! PatrickJ83 03:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rossrs

I added a new pic of Jean, I properly tagged it now that I know how. If I did it wrong, the source is jeanharlow.org PatrickJ83 06:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rossrs,

I don't know who owns the copyright, I guess that's up in the air as is the other image I put up. jeanharlow.org is probably the best fansite there is and run by a pretty reputable woman, Lisa Burks. I just stuck it under the umbrella of 'publicity' like the Wiki help email told me to do with the other and sourced it back to Burks' site. It should do, I suppose, there's really no difference between this and the other pic. PatrickJ83 07:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Lex Luthor image

It is a promotional photo, found on both the IMDB and supermanhomepage.com. I used the very tag that this site provided FOR promotional photos.

When did the rules change? Lately this site has become increasingly bueraucratic in regards to photos. 6 months ago the promo tag was sufficient.

Image:QueenSabrina.jpg

This image has no source and is thus pending deletion - thought you'd want to know since it's on your user page. -SCEhardT 01:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:Shatner as Denny Crane.jpg

Hi RadioKirk, can you please add the source/copyright info for this image? I know this was probably uploaded way back when, so I'm not listing it for deletion as I know you'll fix it. thanks Rossrs 14:23, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Done—except, the image no longer exists where it was found, and a search of the Detroit News site comes up empty. I'm linking to where the pic used to be for the moment, and I have a request in to ABC Television for images. I'll keep you posted. :) RadioKirk talk to me 17:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Artillery

One thing you changed that I've reverted was here - "spot" in this case does not mean "to detect"; it refers to a very specific bit of military jargon, to what a "spotter" does - find ranges, trajectories, coordinates, distances, 'etc, and send those reports to an artilleryman, who can then fire his weapon accurately. Raul654 13:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Catherine Tramell

What I was trying to say was that the article could do with some background info from Basic Instinct, her involvement in the first film and her involvement in the second film, but I can't do it by myself. Please help - SGCommand

well will you write down any info you find out/know about her please? UPDATE: added some info but need some help - SGCommand

Re: Mariah Carey FAC

I agree with you, and I've removed it. From what I can see the template appears to be part of WikiProject Musicians, but it looks like there are some "kinks" that are being ironed out on the discussion pages (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines for the discussion regarding the template). The template also has fields such as "Notable albums" and "Notable songs", which I believe to be NPOV violations as well; what defines "notability"? In the case of Carey, Music Box is her biggest selling album worldwide but Daydream is her biggest in the U.S., while most critics (from what I've read) believe that either Daydream or Butterfly are her best. Thinking about it, I suppose a lot of her albums could be considered notable in some way. I also became involved in a dispute with the editor who added the template soon after he joined Wikipedia, though I feel his attitude has improved considerably since then, and I'm about to leave him a comment on his talk page explaining the situation. Extraordinary Machine 20:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Sound samples

Good evening Rossrs! I'm here because I would like to request your assistance in creating a sound sample at the article for Kelly Clarkson. If you could, or would like to help out, please respond on either my talk page or Talk:Kelly Clarkson. —Eternal Equinox | talk 01:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I would really like to thank you for materializing this sound sample! You deserve a little something for all your hard work. —Eternal Equinox | talk 13:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I humbly award Rossrs the Surreal Barnstar for his help in adding the sound samples to the Kelly Clarkson article. Keep it up! —E.E.

You're very welcome. —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

A problem has arisen at Kelly Clarkson, which concerns the POV information box that was featured at Mariah Carey before it was promoted to featured article status. Could you please weigh in? —Eternal Equinox | talk 13:19, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Please vote for the Madonna page!

Rossrs,

Please go to Article Improvement Drive (AID) and add your vote and maybe a comment about improving the Madonna page! Thanks so much! PatrickJ83 20:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Blond moment.

Hi,

How does one 'revert' a page for any reason? I see it done but I don't know how I would do it if I needed to. Thanks! PatrickJ83 04:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

More Harlow.

Ross, Do you think it's a good idea to format the Jean page, like the Marilyn Monroe page? What I mean is, dissect her career in the first part, then move on to her marriages? Jean was married three times. If you think this is a good idea I'll start up on it.... PatrickJ83 23:09, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Shhh! I'm going to tell you a secret....I want the Harlow page to end up being a featured article. I'm a HUGE Harlow fan (if you can't tell) and I definately believe she deserves more exposure than she has. I'm gonna formulate a blueprint on how I want the page to formatted like....I'll keep u posted on it. You are right, her marriages were more or less seperate (though heavily affected by) her career, except for her third marriage to Hal Rosson, which was arranged by the studio. I suggest you go to a big library or track down online "Bombshell: The Life & Death of Jean Harlow" by David Stenn, it's a really seminal and recentish (1993) book. PatrickJ83 21:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)