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I noticed you removed a large amount of discussion in the talk section of Elder Scrolls:Oblivion, including many comments that were not yours. Any particular reason why? -Fuzzy 00:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I am very sorry, my intention was only to remove an unneeded comment by myself, however I must have ended up reverting to an older version... Ornilnas

No problem. Wikipedia is a learning experience. -Fuzzy 15:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

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V. Vescovo Page Edit?

On 23 March 2021, you edited the page of Victor Vescovo stating in the edit comment: "It should be made clear that he was not the first to visit each of them. What is the basis for this edit? It is well documented that no person in history had ever been to the bottom of the Atlantic, Southern, Indian, or Arctic oceans. Therefore, why the edit? Guinness World records, CNN, BBC, and other major news outlets checked the story and verified it as true. Can you please undo the change? Vlvescovo (talk) 22:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The original sentence implied that Vescovo was the first to visit the deepest point of each of the five oceans, which is not true. Ornilnas (talk) 06:07, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

It is true, however. See: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/victor-vescovo-historic-dive/index.html among other stories published and researched at the time. There are no citations to support the assertion that it is not true? Ornilnas could be making the point that the first descent to one of the oceans, the Pacific, was made twice before in 1960 (Walsh and Piccard) and 2012 (James Cameron) but no one had ever been to the deepest point in all five oceans. Vlvescovo (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

The original sentence implied that you were the first to reach each point, separately. Ornilnas (talk) 19:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

A compromise? Perhaps add at the end: ", the first to reach all five" which is accurate and supported by multiple references. The revised sentence makes no indication that it has been done only once, and omits the distinction that no one had been to the bottom of four of the five before. I would think this is relevant and worthy of mention? Vlvescovo (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure I find that important enough to mention in the introduction, which is why I didn't rewrite it to reflect that. It would be more relevant to mention, for instance, that you were the first to visit four of those points. But other editors might disagree, so if you want to suggest such an improvement to the article, it would be better to take it to the article's Talk page. Ornilnas (talk) 01:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

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Your perspective and comment is legitimate and you are not the only editor who has expressed concerns about that line for those very same reasons. I think you can find the discussions I'm referring to in archives 4 and 5. Mr rnddude (talk) 14:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but now I'm even more confused. The earlier "largest conventional warfare operation" and "largest conventional military attack" seem much better supported than the current wording, so those discussions clearly went sideways. I'll have to think about this some more. Ornilnas (talk) 14:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

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