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Atlanta United Football Club

Well, according to your response, the club isn’t called Atlanta United FC either, but simply Atlanta United, as this is what the club says itself in the article -- But no problem, I’ve added a source straight from the club. -esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 16:14, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Haha I think it's pretty clear they'd prefer that, based on the direction their branding goes. I still don't love that source, but I'm at least going to move it to the infobox and standardize the other places where the name of the club is listed. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:25, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Couple of things first: I have not been edit warring FOR 3+ years, that is a lie, I’m afraid I can’t let you write that on my talk page without rebuking it.

I have provided sources for the TEAM name, not the corporation name. That »Football Club« is the corporation name is an unfounded claim by user Walter Görlitz who was in fact edit warring.

If you had done your research, you’d have probably realized it AND you would have learned that this user in question was blocking the change that had been advocated by a number of other editors: Club names in Major League Soccer. I had provided sources, the other user has not, period.

Secondly, I’m not sure how or where you came to the conclusion that you are entitled to tell me what to do (»stop«), so kindly take your own advice and refrain.

There is a reason it’s called full name vs. abbreviation. You conveniently ignored my reference to Liverpool FC, Chelsea FC and countless other examples here on Wikipedia, another is FC Bayern. The more interesting point however is that none of said articles has provided a source corroborating that the respective name is Liverpool Football Club, Chelsea Football Club or Fussball-Club Bayern München, so I have in fact done more than was done in these articles. If you really were interested in applying the arbitrary standardization rules you mentioned, why don’t you go ahead and abbreviate them to the common name with which they are referred to? I’d love to see how that goes.

The case with Atlanta United Football Club is that a group of users seem to believe they can claim something without providing proof, and sadly, they seem to be right in their belief.

Find a source where the team or club says that they are NOT called Football Club and that this is only the suffix for the legal entity.

Until then, your actions are more in line with WP:OWN and WP:CPP. The year of the source is irrelevant, it’s official. There’s a reason you haven’t provided any source, and neither has the other edit-warrior.

Have you even looked at a single one of the sources I provided (of which there are 18 - in words: eighteen - listed) instead of assuming? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t have claimed that that the full name is not spelled out in »any media coverage«, which is false and either caused by ignorance due to lack of research or a lie based on deliberate ommission of facts that prove the contrary. XD

Why don’t you do an editor’s homework first and check the sources: From the Atlanta United official website: »We are a football club […]« [1]. Oh wait, there’s more: »The club engaged with the city’s community from the get-go—Atlanta United Football Club was a name decided by fans through online polling.« [2]. There are 16 more sources, help yourself. According to your and the other user’s reasoning, fans decided on the corporate name by way of an online-poll, right? They must be fans of the enterprise, but not the team, impressive.

Let’s have a look: Atlanta United Football Club is mentioned in the following media sources: »Atlanta United Football Club is already breaking Major League Soccer records. More than 26,000 fans paid deposits to secure season tickets. And it’s for a TEAM that doesn’t start playing until March 2017.« [3]; »“We are the ‘A’”: Atlanta United, Nationalism, And What It Means To Belong« (page 3) [4]; »Support your club and the City of Atlanta community with other like-minded fans of Atlanta United Football Club.« (Resurgence Supporters Group) [5]; »Atlanta United Football Club« (World Soccer Shop) https://www.worldsoccershop. com/shop/clubs/atlanta-united; Peach Review [6]; Saporta Report [7]; Yahoo Sports [8]; Fox 5 Atlanta [9]; CNN [10]; Atlanta Voice [11]; Museum Tower [12]; Atlanta City Council [13].

So, both official club and independent media sources use it over and over again, but what is not allowed, will be denied existence on Wikipedia. XD I am curious though, why did you add Football Club to the full name section when it’s allegedly only the name of the corporate entity and not the »team«? And if it’s the corporate name according to your claim, where is the LLC suffix?

I’ll tell you what, you can go on and indulge in manipulating articles to your liking, every so often I’m reminded what a toxic cess pool this is. Good luck. --esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 00:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Herr chagall I'm sorry, but I don't have time to go through this and refute point by point the same issues that were brought on your talk page in 2021 if you're still not going to answer them. I found the documents of incorporation--Walter Görlitz is correct. You keep pointing to European comparisons, when it has clearly been pointed out to you that in America, things are just different. Clubs regularly use "FC" as a branding mechanism without actually wanting to be called "Football Club". All of your sources are old, and modern use by the club, fans, MLS, and the media leans away from spelling out "Football Club". I have left "Football Club" as the full name in the infobox purely as a compromise, but if we're gonna make any changes to the lead sentence (or the article title), it should actually be to remove "FC" entirely, as that's what the club appears to be rebranding as (note how the MLS lists the club). I ask you to consider these updated arguments, because the list of links you're providing here is very out of date and includes apartment buildings and multiple blogs that would have no weight in this discussion.

So, both official club and independent media sources use it over and over again -- find something from the last year, please. Here's the google search result. Your best (only?) source is a small town Georgia newspaper. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

This is not a debate in good faith when the rules and demands are changed constantly to accommodate and favor one point of view. You haven’t refuted any points, sorry to tell you like this, you just repeat unfounded claims by Görlitz who used straw man and deflection tactics to distract from the actual point of contention.

To clarify: Initially, the requirement was to provide official sources/club sources. That I did.

Then, after this requirement was met, a new requirement was brought up, or rather, a claim: that the full name is not the actual name and that it is not used »[…] in any media coverage«. I refuted this claim, too, and now we have arrived at yet another, more particular demand that you want fulfilled: that it has to be from last year onwards. To spare me the effort, let me ask in advance: when I post current and recent sources, will you demand that the club owner personally has to affirm in written form that the name is Atlanta United Football Club?

Your quote: »Standardize other uses to the COMMONNAME« [14]. The COMMONNAME is NOT the the issue here, which can be either Atlanta United FC, Atlanta United or ATL Utd.

The point of contention is the FULL name, which doesn’t equate a commonly used abbreviation or variant of the official name. If you honestly want to STANDARDIZE the COMMONNAME on articles about football clubs, I invite you again to try it on the articles of FC Bayern (common name), Chelsea FC (common name) and Liverpool FC (common name) for starters. The geographical location of these clubs is irrelevant to the standardization of COMMONNAME elements, so please don’t use it as an excuse not to move forward and remove the full name from the lead paragraph.

Your quote: »Clubs regularly use “FC” as a branding mechanism without actually wanting to be called “Football Club”« - another strong and false statement, unless you are directly involved with the clubs and their leadership and privy to information of how they plan their strategies and provide evidence of their intentions.

I had posted the link to the club’s about section where it says that it’s a football club. Even the legal entity has »football club« in its name as well - if they didn’t want to be called that, they would have registered the name »Atlanta United FC, LLC«, or »Atlanta United, LLC«.

This should answer your question, another official club source: »Atlanta United Football Club, LLC (the “MLS Team”)« [15] - the TEAM name and the LEGAL name are identical. Or are you going to argue against the club itself now?

Your quote: »[…] modern use by the club, fans, MLS, and the media leans away from spelling out “Football Club”«.

What does »leaning away« from USING the full name have to do with the full name itself? I’m not quite sure what the reasoning is behind repeating false claims. I could understand it if this was used to mislead someone who is not involved in the debate, but I am involved and I have proved you wrong. A full name remains a full name, regardless of the frequency in everyday usage or general news coverage.

You ignored the source that tells you that the fans themselves voted for the club’s name to be »Atlanta United Football Club« - why is that? You also ignored the discussion about adding the full name to the lead paragraph where the majority were in favor of it [16], @Jts1882, @Koncorde, @C. Gerstle.

Another false claim is that »ALL of [my] sources are old« - »old« does not equate »outdated«. The majority of my sources are current, again this is easy to verify, but you opted to repeat false claims by Görlitz without due diligence.

Again, branding is irrelevant when it comes to the full or official name, I HAVE NEVER said that the full name is used more often than the abbreviation, the number of football clubs which do that in any country is negligible. I HAVE ALSO NEVER changed the article title or advocated anything of that sort, I had just added the full name to the lead paragraph and this triggered Görlitz for some reason. There has been no official or verified renaming of the club, which you however insinuate. You will have to meet the same requirements and provide sources that confirm that alleged change.

Your assumptions are based on branding combined with ignoring or downplaying sources that point to the opposite.

This is illustrated with another United Statesian club from the MLS, Inter Miami CF. Let’s apply your and Görlitz’s arguments to that club:

Modern use by the club, fans, MLS, and the media leans away from spelling out [the name]: correct.

The club BRANDS itself as Inter Miami CF [17]; the MLS BRANDS the club as Inter Miami CF [18]; the media refer to the club as Inter Miami or Inter Miami CF [19] [20]; the agency responsible for the BRAND IDENTITY calls the club Inter Miami CF [21] … and yet the club’s official/full name is Club Internacional de Fútbol Miami - there is no source listed for the full name in the Wikipedia article, but it is not challenged, odd, isn’t it? The only source for its full name are the club badge and the about page on the club site [22]. However, according to your reasoning, the club’s name would be Inter Miami CF because of the branding and frequency of usage by club, fans and media. So much about consistency, but this is not really what it’s about, is it?

FC Cincinnatti for instance, explicitly separates the names of the legal entity and the team [23]. There is no such distinction available or known in the case of Atlanta United, so unless you can provide a source of that category, rejecting the addition of the official full name is not editing in good faith but POV-pushing.

You confuse - or maybe deliberately mix up - marketing campaigns and practices with the full name of a club or team.

As to your search result, again I’m not sure how you searched, there are plenty of hits:

2024:

FANS - Resurgence Supporters Group, a supporter group of the club: »Support your club and the City of Atlanta community with other like-minded fans of Atlanta United Football Club.« I had listed the source above, you ignored it;

MEDIA Transfermarkt, a news portal on football clubs, player transfers and values et al.: »Official club name: Atlanta United Football Club« [24] - if you don’t know about the relevance of transfermarkt.com, see its Wikipedia entry;

MEDIA - Global Sports Archive, a sports statistics portal, owned by Data Sports Group, and a recognized reliable source on Wikipedia, incorporated into player templates to retrieve data for info boxes: »Official club name: Atlanta United Football Club« [25];

COMPANIES - Draper & Associates, the company that built the training complex for the club: »[…] for Atlanta’s Major League Soccer Team, the Atlanta United Football Club« [26];

2023:

CLUB - Goalkeeper coach job position: »Atlanta United Football Club« [27];

CLUB - Data analyst job position to improve team performance (closed in the meanwhile): »Atlanta United Football Club is looking to add a detail-oriented, methodical, and collaborative Data Analyst to our growing team […] This position is required to engage in collaboration with the entire sports science and technical staff.« [28]; also found on football news site »The Striker«: »Atlanta United’s analytics revolution has begun« [29];

FANS - Georgia Tech Alumni Association: »The GT Atlanta Intown Alumni and GT Hispanic Alumni invite you to the 4th Annual GT Alumni Night with the Atlanta United Football Club« [30];

2022:

FANS - National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: »The Atlanta United Football Club is teaming up with the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund at Mercedes-Benz Stadium on Saturday, September 10, 2022 for First Responders Day as Atlanta United takes on Toronto FC.« [31].

Curious to see which ones you will ignore and which ones you will call »irrelevant«. -esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 05:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@Herr chagall, you must be more concise in your answers, out of respect for other editors. I'm going to trim the fat on our discussion to just the critical issues:

1. "Atlanta United Football Club, LLC" is the name of the corporation that runs the club. You keep saying @Walter Görlitz's claims were unfounded, but I linked you to the articles of incorporation above. Just...click the link? And you'll see that we're right?
2. The club draws a distinction between the use of that full title and the use of a shortened "FC" for branding purposes. Hilariously, one of your own links shows this--that goalkeeper coach job listing says AMB Sports & Entertainment Group ... is comprised of the Atlanta Falcons Football Club, LLC, Atlanta’s Major League Soccer team, Atlanta United FC..., drawing a distinction between an LLC and the club that plays in the MLS.
3. In further support of point 2, the MLS no longer calls the club "Atlanta United FC", instead just preferring "Atlanta United". At some point during this season, depending on the news coverage I see, I will probably start a discussion to move the page to "Atlanta United" and drop the FC entirely.
4. You keep providing links to usage of "Football Club", but none of them qualify as reliable sources. Supporters groups, Transfermarkt, advertising by Draper, job listings, an alumni association--literally none of these meet our standards for independent, reliable third parties suitable for general statements of this type. None. If you disagree with this, then you fundamentally misunderstand our sourcing policies. My search result was on for actual reliable sources that have editorial policies and a demonstrated history of fact checking. I simply don't care that a national law enforcement advocacy organization says "Football Club", why on earth would they be relevant experts in this discussion?
5. As stupid as this may seem to you (and I agree that it's stupid!) in the US we have no history of the word "FC" always meaning "Football Club" in conjunction with local sporting outfits (especially for soccer). "FC" is just a term we slap on the end of a team name because the Europeans did it that way and it says "FC" in FIFA 13. An indicator of this is the fact that all British clubs actually use proper punctuation (i.e., Leicester City F.C. where the periods following F and C clearly indicate they are initialisms). Note how no American club does that. Instead, "football club" is historically associated with NFL franchises (refer to the quote in point 2).
6. In the spirit of compromise, I have left "Football Club" in the infobox in the fullname parameter since there is at least a parent organization named that and I don't think it's 100% wrong--only 95% wrong. I don't care about your gotcha's about having the LLC in there or not--I'm happy to remove "Football Club" from the infobox as well if that's what makes me consistent in your mind.
7. However, the COMMONNAME of the club, the name they play under in MLS, and the name that national news media refer to them as is "Atlanta United" and sometimes "Atlanta United FC".
8. Actually yeah, I'm just gonna start a discussion to move this to "Atlanta United" this season. You've convinced me.

Alyo (chat·edits) 15:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

You MUST practice reading comprehension and refrain from attempts to create a narrative, out of respect for other editors who respond in earnest - the reason why I am so thorough is to refer back to the links if necessary. I will just address the manipulations:

What I wrote above: »The COMMONNAME is NOT the the issue here, which can be either Atlanta United FC, Atlanta United or ATL Utd.« The you go to point 7 and rephrase it. Straw man. Nobody questions what the COMMONNAME is.

Point 5, another straw man: Nobody says that FC always means Football Club, what purpose does this deflection serve? We, or at least I, am talking about Atlanta United Football Club. You said it yourself, the associations with the U.S. variant of rugby are historical, and no longer accurately reflect the changing landscape of sports franchises.

Point 4, more selective ignoring and deflection: You have club sources, current ones even, and you manipulatively insinuate that they don’t count. The club’s official website where it markets the suites in the stadium says the following: »Atlanta United Football Club, LLC (the “MLS Team”) [32] and you put in real effort to ignore it. What is hilarious is that you spin a different narrative. Then you go on at length to lecture about why other source categories are not »reliable«, which you brought up in the first place - so if fans (who you mentioned) or media (who you mentioned) DON’T write the full name, it is reliable to you, but if they do, it is not, got it! Every response just makes it clearer and I genuinely appreciate it. And again you ignored that the full name was put up for votes by the franchise and ended up being chosen by the fans, for the third time now.

Point 3, more ignoring when your argument is applied to another club, Inter Miami. Let’s see some standardization and consistency here. I don’t care where the page is moved to, it can be Atl Utd for all I care. I want the full name to be added to the lead, as it was, because it IS the full name - nothing more. The fundamental opposition to this is mind boggling, and again manipulative ignoring of what I had said earlier. You conveniently avoid mentioning the discussion that was already had and a consensus that was reached but blocked by Görlitz who himself didn’t partake in the discussion. I’ll link again, for the record: [33]

Point 2, deliberate misleading: The MLS practice is irrelevant to the official name, as I already said. It doesn’t own or define the name of the franchise, and it puzzles me how you cling on to it - if we are honest, it is in the same category as the fan sites. Branding doesn’t change the real name, only the COMMONNAME, which is a completely different thing and for the rest, see the beginning above.

Point 1, see point 4 and that I’m … correct.

-esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 18:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand the policies we have in place here. E.g., stating that fansites (covered by WP:UGC) and MLS (covered by WP:PRIMARY) should be treated the same on WP is completely wrong. You have yet to bring up a single acceptable source, and instead link to websites that I would immediately revert if added to the article.

Here is a list of every holding corporation in the MLS. Note how many of the corporations have different names from the clubs/teams in the MLS. For example, Dynamo Soccer, LLC runs the Houston Dynamo club. Thus, LLC names are separate from club names. In fact, Dynamo the club actually changed its name to add "Football Club", all the while Dynamo the corporation retained the same name. So for Houston, you would be correct to spell out Football Club as the full name of the club. For Atlanta United, you need to provide a reliable, independent source saying that the club--not the LLC--is called "Football Club". You have not done so. Until you do that, I'm repeating myself. If you link to anything that says "Atlanta United Football Club, LLC", it is clearly talking about the corporation. I'll go practice my reading comprehension now. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from 124person123 (16:04, 26 February 2024)

hi how do i delete my account --124person123 (talk) 16:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, for copyright reasons you cannot delete your account. However, since there's no identifying information in your account name and you only made it 20 minutes ago, you can just stop using it. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm curious. It's true of course that an account cannot be deleted, but why do you say it's "for copyright reasons"?--Bbb23 (talk) 18:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Bbb23 my understanding (I am not a copyright lawyer) is that because of the of the license wikipedia uses to release all content, attribution is required for all edits--either an IP address or an account username. Obviously the account can be renamed to gibberish and in this case, I don't think 124person123's contributions would realistically cause any concern in a court of law, but that feature isn't even turned on in mediawiki to preempt the attribution issue. (There some fun intersection with the Right to be forgotten under GDPR and whether this will eventually require WP policy to change, but I haven't followed any developments in that discussion in a couple years.) Alyo (chat·edits) 18:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

What you say sounds plausible. Thanks much.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Tagging @124person123. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

i want to delete it i dont want to use it anymore 124person123 (talk) 16:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@124person123 Then stop using the account. As I just said, you can't "delete" wikipedia accounts. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Sorry, this is a little bit convoluted. I edited the Wikipedia page for Kandolus, a village in Iran. The romanized spelling was different throughout the article, I changed it to Kandelous as that's what's on their official website. I was wondering how to change the title/if I even should? Thanks! --Ellasmithdavis06 (talk) 18:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ellasmithdavis06, good question! As a general rule, Wikipedia uses the "common name" of a topic, as it's used in english-language sources. I don't know how exactly that article settled at "Kandolus" versus one of the alternate spellings, but generally we only change article titles if we/you can show that more english sources use Kandelous, or if that's more proper than Kandolus. Given that this is a very small village, I'm not sure that is possible? If you speak Farsi or could discuss why كندلوس is better translated as Kandelous, you could probably make the change, but I'm not sure that the website URL is sufficient information to change the article's title. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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I want to add my biography. Can you please give a biography example to edit from there? --Jan Nare (talk) 13:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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I would like to rename this page and am unable to move it or find the setting to move it. --Shajive (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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When the page was created it should have been the Hindu Society of Minnesota not the Hindu Temple of Minnesota, I was attempting to rectify that issue. Shajive (talk) 23:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Shajive, I understand what you were attempting to do, but now this article has been about the temple since 2018. An article about the Hindu Society of Minnesota should be separate--you can try to start that article, but you can't just rewrite/rename this article to be about a different topic, I'm sorry. Alyo (chat·edits) 23:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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hey! thanks for mentoring me!

i asked a question here that i perhaps should have asked you (:

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essentially i noticed in an inconsistency but i am unsure how to resolve it! --Eh23233 (talk) 07:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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How do I put two flags in an info box? --Eehuiio (talk) 11:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Vienna, as it seems to have two flags. One looks like Indonesia flag, but with Austrian Red, and the other is the same, but with the coat of arms in the center Eehuiio (talk) 18:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Vienna, Austria? What flag do you want to add, because I already see a flag and the coat of arms. Alyo (chat·edits) 18:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Flag_of_Salzburg,_Vienna,_Vorarlberg.svg

Add that with the current flag, as Vienna has two flags. Eehuiio (talk) 19:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. So it appears that the infobox (it's Template:Infobox settlement) only has one place to insert a flag, so you would actually just be changing the flag from the flag that's in there now to the new flag. Do you want to start a discussion on the talk page about that? Alyo (chat·edits) 19:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind the.ln. Eehuiio (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Filiposnibbor (09:06, 26 March 2024)

Hallo Alyo, could you please advise me about the correct way to edit an existing article to include a reference to a published book on the topic. I was planning to include the name of the book, the author, publisher, date first published and ISBN and a very bride description of the book. Is anything else recommended. --Filiposnibbor (talk) 09:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Filiposnibbor, it sounds like you're looking for Template:Cite book. First, you will enclose everything in these "ref" tags: <ref> ... </ref>. Inside of that, you can fill in the various parameters here: {{cite book |last= |first= |author-link= |date= |title= |url= |location= |publisher= |page= |isbn=}}. So the whole thing will look something like this: <ref>{{cite book |last=Bloggs |first=Joe |author-link=Joe Bloggs |date=1974 |title=Book of Bloggs}}</ref>. If you click the link to the book cite template, you'll see that there are a whole bunch of other parameters you can use if necessary/helpful, but generally author/title/publisher/ISBN if you can find it/page you're citing to/date is more than enough! Let me know if that makes sense. Which article are you trying to edit? Alyo (chat·edits) 13:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. It is the article on the Burke and Wills expedition. After adding the book reference using the template you recommended (thank you), I was surprised to discover that there is already a section headed ‘further reading’ which comes after the references. Most scientific journals put the list of references at the end of an article. I wonder how many people don’t scroll down further once they reach the references section and miss the subsequent section(s) like me! 90.255.16.34 (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

You did it perfectly! And yes, I agree--it would be preferable if people (like what you were doing) would actually read through some of the books we've linked to in that "Further reading" section and actually add information and citations into the body of the article. Alyo (chat·edits) 18:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Aviationaddict1 (05:14, 29 March 2024)

Hello. I do not understand why we need to edit pages and also have no idea in how to do it. Kindly, could you teach me? --Aviationaddict1 (talk) 05:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Aviationaddict1, well first of all, you don't need to do anything :) However, editors on wikipedia often enjoy researching and writing about topics they are passionate about. The easiest way to start is either to find a topic that you enjoy, and begin improving articles there, or find a category of articles that need help in a specific way and begin working on those. Special:Homepage might be a good place to start. Alyo (chat·edits) 17:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, i do like planes alot. I only have one question. Is it possible to edit on mobile devices or is it like a PC exclusive? Aviationaddict1 (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Very possible to edit on your phone. It might be easier on a computer because of the typing and characters, but there are quite a few editors who edit mostly on their phones. Alyo (chat·edits) 17:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Legalmaster13 (11:39, 29 March 2024)

Hello , I would like to add information in article , information about marriage of one of the persons in w( certificate of marriage as a proof and photos available) How can I add information and photo? --Legalmaster13 (talk) 11:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Legalmaster13, as a general rule, we only add biographical information when it has been reported be reliable independent sources, like newspapers. Certificates of marriage are not considered good sources. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I understand , thank you Legalmaster13 (talk) 14:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Dogman4720 (19:36, 1 April 2024)

Do I have something wrong with my a/c application do you have an answer? --Dogman4720 (talk) 19:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Dogman4720, I can only answer questions related to editing wikipedia. Alyo (chat·edits) 20:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Rickroll

Thank you for finding and reverting my April Fools vandalism where I made a citation redirecting to the music video of Never Gonna give you up! Sorry, its not right-but I did not know what to do for this day! Jayson (talk) 22:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, as a general rule, don't do april fool's jokes in the text of articles themselves. If you want to do things on your own page or talk page, or in conjunction with other editors that's fine (for example, the Did You Know feature on the front page is always a little funny), but vandalism is still vandalism on April 1. Alyo (chat·edits) 01:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes Jayson (talk) 15:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Babykay28 on Wikipedia:Username policy (11:14, 3 April 2024)

Financial reporting how it came to existence --Babykay28 (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Babykay28 I can only answer questions about editing wikipedia. Did you mean to ask a question about a specific article? Alyo (chat·edits) 13:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Ross10201 (01:18, 5 April 2024)

How do I create a reference? --Ross10201 (talk) 01:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ross10201, do you have a specific page you were working on? Generally what we do is put a reference template inside "ref" tags, like so: <ref> [reference template/content] </ref>. If you tell me what kind of reference you were trying to create I can walk you through it a little more. Alyo (chat·edits) 03:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I have no specific page to work on. Thank you for the advice though! + I am trying to make a link reference. Ross10201 (talk) 03:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it! I've just left a little welcome message on your talk page that also links to this very helpful guide: Help:Referencing for beginners. There are a number of tools in the editing software that make adding refs very quick and easy, so give that page a read and let me know if I can answer any questions. Also, playing around in the Wikipedia:Sandbox and testing your edits is always useful. Alyo (chat·edits) 03:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Robert L Gee (04:12, 7 April 2024)

Hi AirshipJungleman (who doesnt like a good Zeppelin?)

I'm interested in making my edits on Wikipedia a little more... 'professional'. Any tips you can offer me?

Many thanks again --Robert L Gee (talk) 04:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Robert L Gee, I'm not AirshipJungleman but I'm happy to help. I left a message in the discussion on your talk page--did that make sense, to start? Alyo (chat·edits) 03:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Web browsers can use tools called extensions. There is now a Chrome extension called Citation Needed which you can use to see if an online statement is supported by a Wikipedia article. This is a small experiment to see if Wikipedia can be used this way. Because it is a small experiment, it can only be used in Chrome in English.
• A new Edit Recovery feature has been added to all wikis, available as a user preference. Once you enable it, your in-progress edits will be stored in your web browser, and if you accidentally close an editing window or your browser or computer crashes, you will be prompted to recover the unpublished text. Please leave any feedback on the project talk page. This was the #8 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
• Initial results of Edit check experiments have been published. Edit Check is now deployed as a default feature at the wikis that tested it. Let us know if you want your wiki to be part of the next deployment of Edit check. [43][44]
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Question from Rockdmmd (04:40, 13 April 2024)

a simple process to start it. --Rockdmmd (talk) 04:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I’m sorry, what is your question about? Alyo (chat·edits) 04:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Iamamodforjellymario (07:08, 13 April 2024)

hello! I want to edit a column of a table about films. the thing is, I don't know how to turn columns green or white (as in whenever the film is still in cinemas or not.) can you help me? --Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 07:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Iamamodforjellymario, are you looking at List of Japanese films of 2023? When you edit, for example, the top table, one entry looks like this:

|3

| style="background:#b6fcb6;" |The Boy and the Heron

|$138,635,564

|[reference removed]

|-

That part I've bolded, the "style=", is where it's telling that line to have a green background. If you copy that into the same place in the other entries (so second line, after the number and before the |FILM NAME portion, it will add the color. Let me know if that makes sense! Alyo (chat·edits) 20:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

wow! I was working on List of Japanese films of 2023! how did you guess? anyway, because of your advice, I 100% understood how to do it, and finally did the edit I was waiting so long to do! thanks for your advice. it helped me so much! Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 04:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hahah you can look at any edits made by any other user by going to Special:Contributions/Iamamodforjellymario and then changing the username! So all of my edits are at Special:Contributions/Alyo. Glad you were able to figure it out! Alyo (chat·edits) 13:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hahahahaha Lol and I was so amazed… 😂😂🤣😅🤪😎 Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 21:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Wow you’re the 5267th person with the most edits on wikipiedia😁 just found that out Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 07:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hahah yeah I've been around a while. Alyo (chat·edits) 13:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

More like 16 years! Pretty amazing. Anyway... I have a few questions to ask,@Alyo Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 20:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Between 2 April and 8 April, on wikis using Flagged Revisions, the "Reverted" tag was not applied to undone edits. In addition, page moves, protections and imports were not autoreviewed. This problem is now fixed. [49][50]

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 April. It will be on all wikis from 18 April (calendar). [51][52]
• Default category sort keys will now affect categories added by templates placed in footnotes. Previously footnotes used the page title as the default sort key even if a different default sort key was specified (category-specific sort keys already worked). [53]
• A new variable page_last_edit_age will be added to abuse filters. It tells how many seconds ago the last edit to a page was made. [54]

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Question from Dsaxon06 (00:23, 16 April 2024)

Hi, nice to meet you. I've been away on holiday, but excited to get back to editing. Is there a tool/plugin you use to quickly find typos and spelling mistakes? I get a lot of pages come up in my suggested pages to edit, but don't know how to quickly find mistakes to fix. --Dsaxon06 (talk) 00:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Dsaxon06, I don't have a specific plugin I use, but there are some tools (like WP:AutoWikiBrowser) that you can get access to when you have a little more experience. If you're specifically looking for typos, you could follow some of the instructions here, which basically involve searching the encyclopedia for a common misspelling (like imediately instead of immediately) and making the change as you find it. However, I tend to just fix typos as I come across them in my normal WP use. I generally make my edits by either editing a page I'm interested in, or working on articles that have been tagged with a specific issue (like Category:All articles needing copy edit). Alyo (chat·edits) 21:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

2 questions in 1

Hey😎 how do you edit the titles of pages? I can’t find a option. Also, I don’t know if this illegal, but I’m asking the second question..... how do you make these thingies that describe stuff about a book? for example:Dune (novel) i’m Pretty sure the information is somewhere, but i can’t find it. Also, I’m using an iPad. Does that change things? Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 20:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Iamamodforjellymario when you say title, do you mean like "Dune (novel)" being the title of that article? We move pages, although if the move will be controversial at all you should start a discussion first. For the second question, I'm not sure I follow--what on that page are you talking about? Alyo (chat·edits) 21:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I meant that Dune (novel)’s template (the table thingy) is the example for the second question. I want to add a template on this page:The Garbage Chronicles. As for the first question, this is the page:SmartVision. I hope this cleared everything up, and i’ll start a discussion first.🔜 Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 21:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Ahh, do you mean the WP:infobox? on the right side of the page at the top? Dune uses {{Infobox book}}, and you can copy the template on that page and then add it to the Garbage Chon page, filling in information as you have it. Alyo (chat·edits) 03:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I was talking about the infobox.😀🎂 also, sorry, I haven’t mentioned this, but I use visual editor. 😗Do you know a way?🇦🇲✌🏼 Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 04:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

To be entirely honest, I only use the source editor when I'm editing big templates like those--you could set that by going to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing and then unchecking "Enable the visual editor" (and rechecking it when you're done, if you want!) Alyo (chat·edits) 03:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok I’ll try... also, you’re at 5266th now Iamamodforjellymario (talk) 04:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

If you want to mess around with the template (and the other version of the editor), WP:Sandbox is a good place to go. Just make any edits you want there, it's a little testing area. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Rschimmel (04:46, 23 April 2024)

hello, I immigrated from South Africa to Australia 2 years ago and am having difficulty getting back onto Wikipedia, a site I've used for many years in South Africa from your icon on my desktop. That Wikipedia icon has disappeared since getting here and I'd like to get it back. I've just turned 84 on 20 April and have some difficulty getting back onto Wikipedia, I suppose because of some short term memory loss. I've had to keep my South African mail address because i get a monthly Life Insurance annuity from Liberty Life insurance South Africa, which they won't or can't send to customers like me in a different country. That's why I've had to keep my South African email address at mWeb South Africa. --Rschimmel (talk) 04:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Rschimmel, I'm not sure I can help--I'm only here to answer questions about editing Wikipedia. Alyo (chat·edits) 13:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Chocooooo (17:31, 26 April 2024)

Hey! I just came to know about editing and all, And I am really interested in it. But this UI is really a big problem to me and I am confused with many things like the user home page customising, the talk pages, etc... So, I just wanted to know if you have some tips or guides or share your experience of dealing with these problems when you joined newly, etc... --Chocooooo (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Chocooooo! To be quite honest, I wouldn't worry about the user pages for now--the only thing you need to know is that your user talk page (User talk:Chocooooo) is where people will leave you messages, and if you want to leave someone else a message you'd use their talk page. Like right now we're on mine, and you can add pages to your Watchlist to then see when other people edit those pages. You'll get a much better sense for how to edit Wikipedia by just going about your normal process, finding pages you're interested in, or tasks you want to work on. Then when you decide you want to put something on your userpage you'll have a much better sense of how the "wiki-code" works! Do you have any particular areas that you're interested in working on? Alyo (chat·edits) 18:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alyo,

I was just trying different things and now I think that I can do something related to movies, actors, etc.

I am really amazed by your contributions. I saw you are here since 2010, How do you feel about your past 15 years; As I am 17, and from past few months, I am feeling a bit depressed that how fast the time is passing on. Sorry for this out of this topic discussion... j

By the way, Thanks for your guidance! Chocooooo (talk) 18:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Requesting assistance on User:Alyo/sandbox/Odrek Rwabwogo

Greetings mentor @Alyo After a long break away from the Odrek Rwabwogo draft, I decided to resume editing. However, after the original article was deleted nine months ago due to the COI I stated and later explained as a non-issue to the admin that deleted the article, I doubt I will be able to have the energy or drive to recreate it despite my habit of finishing what I start. Can you please help me edit and get some users to contribute? I decided to leave room for you and other editors to contribute for a better, wholesome article. Niitwe (talk) 08:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)