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Friends Journal notability[edit]

Hi Martin! I recently came across your article Friends Journal. The present sourcing doesn't appear to establish notability, so I had to tag it with {{Notability}}, as it meets WP:NMEDIA #5 but that's just an essay. IAR, I don't think we ought to be deleting articles like it, so I'm not AfDing, but if you're able to do some research and find additional sources, I'd love to be able to remove the tag. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:33, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disclaimer that I work for Friends Journal... I confused why this article has a warning label. Looking at the sources, we have:

Two well-respected Quaker colleges
The largest denominational body for Liberal Friends in the U.S.
A book published by Columbia University Press
An obituary published in the NYTimes
The main trade organization of Quaker publishers
The main religious press trade organization in the U.S.
A peer-reviewed listing of periodicals by Taylor & Francis.

Of the 11 sources, only 2 come from Friends Journal itself: the mission statement (which seems fair to point to) and an article on Quaker publications by a highly respected Quaker historian.

Friends Journal is arguably the oldest continually published periodical in the U.S. and has the widest distribution of any Quaker publication. I'm not sure what else is needed to prove notability in Wikipedia's eyes. Martin kelley (talk) 18:59, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Martin kelley! Since I left the above message, @Chillabit came by and improved the sourcing. The relevant standard that needs to be met is the general notability guideline. Let's take a look at the present sources, going in order from the current revision:

Not significant coverage (SIGCOV), as it's just a list
High-quality source, but not SIGCOV (at least on the referenced pages) as it's only two sentences. I couldn't manage to get to the cited footnote, but I'd be interested to see what that is.
Not independent, as Friends Journal itself
Only a one-paragraph finding aide, so rather marginal
Very short obit that's even shorter when considering only the sections about the journal, so not SIGCOV
Another source that's the journal itself
Not independent, as it's an affiliated organization (and link also doesn't lead to a page supporting the cited info)
I don't have access through the Wikipedia Library, but this looks like a potentially good source
Not really independent, as any news published by a university about itself is essentially a press release.
Not independent, as coming from partnering organization, and also not SIGCOV as it's a one-sentence mention.
Not media coverage, just inclusion on a list, so not usable as a source.

We need two good sources to put the article on firm notability ground, and given the above we have only possibly #8. I hope that helps explain. I'll see if I can find anything else. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've found and added two sources, [1] and [2], and that should be sufficient, so I've removed the notability tag. I'd still be interested in any other in-depth academic or journalistic coverage of the journal from independent sources to help improve the article further. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:26, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]