User talk:Mactruth

Wikipedia has shown it has discriminatory actions against Macedonians time and time again, blocking my account is just further evidence of that. Systematic censorship is occurring here, and nothing is being done to stop its occurrence. Whoever is reading Macedonia related issues, I hope you take the time to read other sources outside of Wikipedia also and take the information here with a grain of salt.

Please e-mail administrators associated with Macedonia related articles, and tell them to stop the agenda and ensure non-biased sources showing all views of the conflicts are protected and reflected in the articles

Welcome![edit]

Hello, Mactruth! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking

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In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 00:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About the deletion of the Hellenism in the near east map[edit]

Hi, the author of the image in question was George Soteriadis, according to the description page. According to one of our contributors,

The first search result for "George Soteriadis" on JSTOR is a 1942 paper (Eugene Vanderpool, "An Archaic Inscribed Stele from Marathon") which says in part "... Professor George Soteriadis, who was then doing archaeological work... . In the spring of 1940, at Professor Soteriadis's request, the Ministry of Education ordered the stone to be brought to Athens". Assuming it's the same person (which seems likely), then he has not been dead 70 years.

Ergo, the image was still in copyright in the United Kingdom (the country of origin, which has a copyright term of life of author + 70 years), and Commons policy requires images to be free in both the country of origin and the United States. Given that it was published in 1918 (again, according to the image description), you can upload it to Wikipedia, since WP follows US copyright law alone; this is pre-1923 and therefore public domain in the US. Cheers, Lewis Collard! (it's cold out there, but i'm telling you, i'm lonely) 22:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC) (please reply on my Commons talk page with further questions)[reply]

Nikodim Tsarknias[edit]

See that the choice of words is very careful in order to respect NPOV (Neutral Point of View). He declares that his "ethnic Macedonian". No problem with that, because he can declare whatever he likes. I can declare that I am from Mars. But when we are referring in general we have to respect the consensus. He is not member of any ethnic Macedonian minority because this thing doesn't officially exist. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 00:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minorities in Greece[edit]

I thought you reuploaded. Didn't you? It's good to have both maps. Can you find a map showing the other point of view? Maps really make the article look nicer. I understand that only one map is not very good but I can't help with that. I have no access to maps. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 01:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's nice. Please assume good faith in other user's actions and use edit summary box.

I won't change your last edits in Tsarknias article even if I disagree. I am sure someone else will do it. I suggest you to read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Macedonia-related articles) very carefully. Many editors around the world worked hard to find a way to write things about Macedonia in a way that respects both countries and keeps a NPOV.

I am just following Wikipedia's policy and I am not getting involved in anything else (I certainly didn't like the "are you insane?" comment in the summary and I think if we both used talk pages more you would be more calm).

Once again, friendly and with respect in the effort you make to improve articles, Magioladitis (talk) 01:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can always write it in way showing that he declares "ethnic Macedonian" but don't present it as a NPOV fact because they are people who disagree. I think you can figure out to say what you want without endless causing edit wars. Cooperation and understanding helps us all to solve our problems and not only in Wikipedia. I wish you a good night, it's already very late and I have to wake up early tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Macedonians (ethnic group). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Laveol ^T 22:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonian Template Image[edit]

Could I have a link please? I assume you're talking about Template:Ethnic Macedonians but I don't see an image vote on the discussion page...Sorry for appearing (or perhaps being) a bit dumb! Cheers, PeterSymonds (talk) 08:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus seems to be that the Vergina Sun image should be used, so I'll update the template with that. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 08:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually...I don't know how. HTML is not my strong point, so I'll flag an {{editprotected}} on the talk page and let another admin do it! Cheers, PeterSymonds (talk) 08:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"ethnic" dab[edit]

I assume you know that our autonym is "Macedonians" (Makedonci) and not "Ethnic Macedonians" (Etnički Makedonci), so please don't capitalise the E (it should be ethnic not Ethnic). Also, "ethnic" is in no way a qualifier for the language. If you need to dab the language it has to be "Slavic Macedonian" or "Macedonian Slavic". Of course the language hardly ever needs to be disambiguated. Balkan Fever 04:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fala za poddrškata :) Balkan Fever 05:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note[edit]

Per WP:ARBMAC I'm banning you for two months from all pages across Wikipedia that relate to Macedonia: in addition, you are banned indefinitely from creating or altering any redirects that relate to Macedonia. This is due to your recent disruptive editing, as documented above and on my talk page. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I stated the issue of History of Modern Macedonia speaking only about History of Greek Macedonia several times to multiple Admins. No action was being taking even though I clearly showed what the issue was and why. The banning is a bit strict and will be taking for review. Mactruth (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I do find it a bit ridiculous that before even allowing me to state my side of the issue, your quick action of banning occurred. This WILL be taking for review. Mactruth (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The funny thing is I have contributed WELL to the Macedonia articles and I have been neutral, calm and effective in working with the other people writing Macedonia articles. The problem was ADMINS would not address the History of Modern Macedonia being written only about History of Greek Macedonia, and the article name is still monopolization. ADMINS lack of action, after time and time being shown the issue, the the reason for my reaction. Mactruth (talk) 17:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

Hi,i'm a director in the greek wikipedia and i want to ask you something about some «Macedonians» in Canada.If they consider themselves as «Macedonians» (i dont mind if they are or not) why they dont change threir &8#@ names?It is very annoing for Greeks that persons with names such p.e. Staikos,Stamkos,Stavro (greek names) are saying that they are «Macedonians».Why they dont change their names into Stamkov,Staikovsky or Stavrev?Are they afraid the greek authorities for god's shake? p.s. Sorry for the «Macedonians» but as a Greek i cant call you as you like.81.24.183.185 (talk) 21:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good question mate. First of all, I'd like to state they do view themselves as Macedonians. The difference is these are ethnic Macedonians from the Greek region of Macedonia (see: Aegean Macedonians). From what I know, they do not change their name because they do not know what their last name was before their family members were forced to change it to a Greek name. Also, they keep it as a reminder to Greeks that Macedonia had to be Hellenized to become Greek after 1913. It was very tragic when our people were forcefully Hellenized, but we are moving on. Your past Greek government forced it upon them, so you cannot blame us for your current "annoyance."

ps: You are a human being that can think for yourself. If you want to allow self-determination and democracy to flourish, then you are perfectly allowed to call us Macedonian. Simply because your Greek doesn't give an excuse since I know many Greek Americans that call me Macedonian, and they don't get upset about it either. Your Greek government has been irresponsible and I have a lot of documents to prove your government has been demonizing Macedonians and withholding information from Grek citizens which shows the Greek government has been childish over the past years (and especially after NATO 2008) Mactruth (talk) 22:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all i dont call you «Macedonians» cause i dont believe that you are.But i can accept the term Slavmacedonians without question.Secontly about the names i think that this is not a good excuse,anyway if i were on their position i would change my name(also some of them are border-jumpers and their consiquence depend on who asking them) 3rd,Back to 1913 Macedonia was a region with many nationalities and the place that is now the Greek part of Macedonia was mainly Greek after of course the muslim majority,the only places where Slavs were more than Greeks were Kilkis(Kukush i think),Moglena,Demir Hissar and the region of Florina.4th The Greeks in US dont see all,this issue as the Greeks in Greece,in Germany or Australia.Most of them consider themselves 1st as American. And last, i dont believe that the greek goverment is responsible for your NATO issue but your goverment 81.24.183.185 (talk) 14:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I don't care how you call me, what is important is WHAT I CALL MYSELF. The definition of "Macedonian" is different between you and I, your Greek government has taught you to be Macedonian, you must be Greek. But I have a different definition for the term "Macedonian" and as that, I call myself Macedonian.

Second, You asked me why they didn't change their name, I gave you a reason... I didn't ask for your opinion on the reasons. I am not an Aegean Macedonian, I am from the Republic of Macedonia and my reason was only based on interaction and friendship with Aegean Macedonians (Macedonians from the Macedonia which touches the Aegean Sea, or simply called "Aegeans"). If you want to discuss the reasons further, contact an Aegean Macedonian, though they may have much more anger towards Greeks then I.

Third, The region of Macedonia was composed of many ethnicities, that is true. But the nationally awakening Macedonian ethnicity became the majority ethnicity in the region of Macedonia. Before the expulsions of Macedonians, before the population exchanges, Macedonians were the majority in the Macedonia which touches the Aegean Sea (please view: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Hellenism_in_the_Near_East_1918.jpg). Your own professors proved the overwhelming ethnic majority in Macedonia were the Macedonians and Turks. The Greeks comprised 10% of the region of Macedonia before 1913.

Fourth, it is funny you speak for other Greeks while I myself live in America and I know many Greeks who call myself Macedonian and are fine with it. Your Greek government has demonized us, but most Greeks don't have a problem with us after understanding our view. I am wondering what was reported in Greek media in order to allow the Greek government to veto us? Can you please show me? Look at these actions by the Greek government before and after the NATO summit:

Greek Paper shows Bush as Hitler and a Macedonian swastika (the same time the Greek swastika occurred - right before NATO)

Macedonians attacked in Greece

Another cowardly attack on Macedonians in Greece

Greek authorities continue to abuse ethnic Macedonians

Greece abuses Macedonians at the border, again

Greek MP asks for death penalty for Macedonians in Greece

Greek-Macedonian name dispute leads to ban on lamb meat

Macedonia Plane Barred from Greek Airspace

Macedonia to ask Greece for explanation on MAT

Greece bans financial transfers from, and to Macedonia

Greece outrages Macedonia with ban on presidential flight

UMD Taken Aback by Metropolitan Anthimos’ Threatening Statement (Top Greek bishop calls for war with Macedonia)

Another Greek metropolitan bishop states territorial claims for Macedonia

Greek media fumes over comments from MOC

Greece's comments of H.H. Stefan's statement in Rome intended for domestic political scene

Heated debate at the EU, Macedonian delegation not present

Protest letter sent to Nato over an incident Mactruth (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is all the responses I will return. if you would like to continue the conversation, make an account on Wikipedia. Until then. Mactruth (talk) 22:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[FYROM authorities block Greek KFOR convoy] Oh dont forget your Archbishop Stephen nationalistic statements about «your Solun» ::[Archbishop Stephen nationalistic statements ] and also the fotos that shows the greek flag with the nazi symbol and our prime minister (who is dickhead anyway) as a nazi... Pavlos1988 (talk) 15:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I knew the Macedonian authorities blocked Greek convoy. The Greek government believes they can do whatever they wish. Just a few days ago they forced a Macedonian Airlines Transit flight down - risking many lives in the process. Read the following:

Macedonia's constitution doesn't allow for a foreign Army to enter Macedonia's territory. The political situation between the countries also contributed (source: MacedoniaOnline).

Not to be rude but given the situation at the time, it is perfectly reasonable that the Macedonian government did not allow the Greek government in. Remember the Greek fires during the summer? Macedonia sent 3 firefighting vehicles, 26 professional firefighters and 60 members of the Protection and Rescue Directorate but Greek authorities rejected the help of Macedonian firefighters and did not allow them to come into Greece simply because they had the word "Macedonia" on their sleeves - even though allowing them into Greece could have saved more lives (source: A1 News). You guys complain about the Greek army being rejected during a time when Greeks have been discriminating, abusing and harassing Macedonians in Greece... but Greece initially rejected Macedonia when Macedonia was offering help in a time of need a year earlier. Greeks allows view themselves as victims, and this is a great example.

Archbishop Stephen stated the following:

" Today in your birth place everything is dust and ash, there is no freedom for a book, or a letter, or a word from yours and our language. In the region in which all then spoke as you and as we today, in this time of ours, it is even forbidden not only to talk in that language but also to pray on that language, and even the existence of that language. Today, unfortunately, the behavior is worse than that of the trilingual in your time. Saint, today everything is ruined from that which could have reminded us of you and of us, in Solun and in Kukus, in Lerin and in Kostur. There neither the alive nor the dead have their peace."

Which is in no way territorial claims. It is well known Macedonians made up the majority of Macedonia before 1913. After 1913, there was a great Hellenization which occurred. Slavic languages were not allowed to be spoken, non-Greeks were forced to pledge allegiance to Greece and to only speak Greek. It is well documented in the Helsinki Report, Human Rights Watch, US reports and other documents. So, considering the Metropolitan Bishop Anthimos openly stated territorial claims against Macedonia long ago with the following:

“Macedonia is Greek . . . and parts of it that are missing should be returned.”

Which was immediately followed with another territorial claim from the Metropolitan of Galabryta Ambrosios, which stated:

"Since the attack is the best defense, the Metropolitan of Thessaloniki did very well. Skopje citizens rip the benefits of Monastery region, which is part of the Greek territory"

About the Greek swastika, the Macedonian government condemned it, the artist who did create it was a refugee of the Macedonia which touches the Aegean Sea, and the posters were privately owned. This was all before NATO. I posted an article which shows the Macedonian swastika was in circulation in Greece at the same time the Greek swastika occurred, the only difference is while Macedonia condemned the Greek swastika, Greece did not condemn the Macedonian swastika. The Greek government is known for hiprocracy and this is a great example. Mactruth (talk) 18:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minorities in Republic Of Macedonia[edit]

The funniest thing is that some nationalistic factors in FYROM instead of wory about who to deal with the ethnic minorities in their country talking about the «enslaved» co patriots in Greece...If acording to them your 25-30 (the most) thousand brothers must «liberate» what about the 25% Albanians ,the more than 100000(according to some sources) Gypsies,the Serbs,the Turks etc.Do you really believe that Bulgarians in FYROM are about 10000?(As for the Greeks i dont believe that they are only 500 but also more that few thousand)Pavlos1988 (talk) 16:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia is one of the few countries which recognize all minorities. Greece complaints about Greeks in Macedonia and Albania, but at the same time they don't recognize any minorities and force assimilation onto the individuals living in Greece. This is great evidence that Greece desires one thing: Greater Greece.

25% Albanians in Macedonia in reality is lower. It was shown in the past elections that Albanians from Kosovo were coming to Macedonia to cast a vote, then going back to Kosovo considering villages of 150 people were registering over 400 votes. Also, many Albanians from Kosovo still live in Macedonia. During the Kosovo conflict, hundreds of thousands of Albanians from Kosovo fled into Macedonia and have not moved back to Kosovo yet due to economic and ethnic issues.

The Gypsies, Serbs, and Turks have been shown to have minority rights, and I have not found any minority rights documents to contradict this. I believe the amount of Bulgarians in Macedonia are around 2,000. In the last census it was recorded that 1,200 peoples declared themselves as Bulgarians. You state their are a few thousand Greeks, but that is just speculation. Please show me minority rights organization document which confirms your argument of Bulgarian/Greek minority rights issues. Mactruth (talk) 18:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia name dispute[edit]

i will keep any eye on the Macedonia name dispute. but if you have noticed most of my edits refer to cultural and linguistic pages. As for politics i prefer not to get involved :). Also would you be able to help me restart Macedonian Canadians?? It was deleted but i need some photos and more information. Thanks. PMK1 (talk) 05:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The topic ban means he can't. I'll try and offer a hand. The Canadian Encyclopedia source on FP's talk page had most (if not all) of the info: you can cite some from there but seriously, reword it first. I think the photos still exist, but I have no clue what they were titled. Balkan Fever 06:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, ok lol i thought it was only for Macedonia not Macedonians. Thanx, but yeh canada encyclopedia had most of the info. PMK1 (talk) 03:08, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi do you know the possible terms for uploading this image [1]???. PMK1 (talk) 12:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The information for the picture is: Carte ethnographique de la Péninsule des Balkans - J. Cvijic 1918, Paris Since it is pre-1923 it can be used, view the following image and view its copyright, it should work the same way. Mactruth (talk) 02:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thanx for that. PMK1 (talk) 02:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply[edit]

Yes, your ban does include talk pages, as well as Wikipedia space and all other namespaces where the content relates to Macedonia. Please desist from editing anything Macedonian-related, or I will block you. BTW, the way to deal with anon trolling on talk pages is to remove said trolling, not to reply in an equally trollish manner by labelling Greeks "Christian Turks"". Moreschi (talk) (debate) 13:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am still allowed to talk about Macedonia issues on my page, right? About the trolling, you are right, my blood boils sometimes and my emotions come into play. When that happens, it is difficult for me not to defend myself. I will do a better job at that, considering it is foolish comments.

About the amount of time banned, is there a way to contest the time amount banned? Mactruth (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandals[edit]

Hey, if you need vandal reverting just drop me or PMK1 a note, and we'll fix it. Makedonij is topic banned for longer than you, so he can't help. And there's no need to bother the admins for such a situation. Cheers, Balkan Fever 05:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Vladimir Cetkar[edit]

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Vladimir Cetkar, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. tomasz. 12:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia:[edit]

Reliable sourced articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers. Regards! See:Wikipedia:Verifiability Jingby (talk) 15:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My sorces! Krste Misirkov wrote: We can call the Uprising whatever we like, but in fact it was only a partial movement. It was, and still is, an affair of the Exarchists: that is, a Bulgarian ploy to settle the Macedonian question to its own advantage by creating a Bulgarian Macedonia... If the autonomy of Macedonia should result from the present Uprising, the Macedonian question will be settled not to the advantage of the Macedonians but of the Bulgarians, for the Committee, as we have seen earlier, is working behind a Bulgarian front... Jingby (talk) 19:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No more jokes[edit]

The statute of Bulgarian Party VMRO-BND, 2008 (in Bulgarian) Art. 3. Par 1. Знаме с правоъгълна форма, разделено на две равни части, като горната част е в червен цвят, а долната - в черен и със златен надпис в средата ВМРО-БНД. Rough translation: Banner with rectangle form and divided in two equal parts. The upper part is in red and the lower part is in black colour. [2]

The statute of Macedonian Party VMRO-DPMNE, 2008 (In Macedonian) Article 5, Par. 3: Партиското знаме е со димензии со однос 2:1 по должина, поделено на црвено-црни полиња, чиј сооднос е еден спрема еден, а во горниот лев агол на црвена основа е поставен партискиот грб. Rough translation: The Party flag has a ratio of 1:2, divided along the length in red-black halves, in ratio one to each other as one to one, and in the upper left corner on the red field is set the Party coat of arms.[3]

Stop using political symbols for nationalistic PROPAGANDA! Jingby (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to an article from the Macedonian journalist Spase Shuplinovski in the Macedonian mainstream daily newspaper Utrinski vesnik - issue 1166, October 16, 2006 [4] the flag of the Macedonian party VMRO - DPMNE was adopted from Ivan Mihaylov's IMRO, which was banned in 1934. Jingby (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jokes[edit]

I think you mean reliable - he's pretty good at using the biased ones ;). Balkan Fever^{not a fan? say so!} 10:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded it differently so its clearer. Mactruth (talk) 01:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Revert parole[edit]

On reviewing the recent trainwreck on Flags of the Republic of Macedonia, I'm putting the lot of you on an ARBMAC revert parole. Not more than 1rv per 48h, on all articles, for the next 6 months, and you are strictly required to precede every revert with a meaningful explanation and attempt for discussion on the relevant talk page, allowing for a minimum of 3 hours for discussion before you revert. This goes for you, Cukiger, Jingiby and Laveol, for the moment.

Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's one per 48h per article, as is usual with such measures. But please don't use that as a pretext for always reverting ten articles the one day, ten others the next... Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi![edit]

You are absolutely right! Sadly, the wiki input of many Greek contributors simply consists of that really obsolete and embarrassing ethnocentric dogma they are taught/preached in their schools from a very very early age. They now confuse wikipedia with the Greek patriotic educational curriculum. Quite scary! But it is impossible to change their minds or behaviour since they are irreversibly brain washed. The best we can do is correct the biased pro-Greek editing and not let ourselves be ran over by those Greek sleuths and their accomplices.

Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 10:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked[edit]

72 hours for you: severe talkpage disruption, provocation and WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality at Talk:Aegean Macedonians. Plus, I see no discussion of your reverts at Flags of the Republic of Macedonia, as is required. Moreschi (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I meant Christian Turk on a historical level, in a modern level I refer to them as "Greek Macedonian" and make certain that not all Greek Macedonians used to be Christian Turk. Anyways, thanks for asking me before blocking me.

"In deciding who was a Greek and who was a Turk, the criterion used was religious: a Turkish-speaking Orthodox Christian who knew no Greek was thus a Greek, and expelled to Greece; while a Greek-speaking Muslim who knew no Turkish was Turkish, and expelled to Turkey" source Mactruth (talk) 21:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You also did not ask me the definition of "Christian Turk" which literally means "Christian of Turkey"

the source does not mention anywhere the phrase Christian Turk, so you are making it up. Greeks back then had many Greek identities of their Greek nationality, the Greek language, Greek orthodoxy, heritage etc150.140.225.175 (talk) 21:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moltke writes: “Basically, it is possible to call these Armenians 'Christian Turks'. They have taken so many things from the customs of the ruling nation and even from its language. Their religion, that is Christianity, permits their taking one woman. But this woman is immediately kept away from view like Turkish women. When Armenian women go out, only their eyes and the upper part of their nose can be seen”. source

still, nothing about Greeks...150.140.227.137 (talk) 02:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ahem...[edit]

Posting a note during my ban for posting after my ban at the Macedonian talkpage:

Age, I have found the precise change in which "Aegean Macedonian" being offensive was added. NikoSilver, though a very decent Greek which I have great respect for, did not state the reasoning behind adding "Aegean Macedonian" as being offensive, which is a discussion I raised. NikoSilver himself states about Aegean Macedonians that, "I do respect the self identification of these people, and I also respect how they call their language, and for those across the border, their country" without recognizing that they self-ID as "Aegean Macedonian" Mactruth (talk) 22:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfD nomination of a template redirect[edit]

I have nominated a redirect to a template for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz ^talk 14:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece[edit]

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Image copyright problem with Image:Harvard Encyclopedia of American Ethnic Groups - 1980.jpg[edit]

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Zdravo Mactruth. Ne znam za kopirajt, no samo da znaeš, PMK1 podignal vo maj edna slobodna slika bazirana na ova od Harvard koja ti ja podigna. Prašaj go nego kako da kreiraš sliki, i togaš možebi ovie pravila za kopirajt nema da te voznemiruvaat ;) Pozdrav Balkan Fever 01:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Macedonian language naming dispute[edit]

An article you may be interested in, Macedonian language naming dispute, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macedonian language naming dispute. Thank you. Alex Makedon (talk) 00:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anon edits[edit]

So, let me get this straight. You are now saying that these edits of 98.243.158.123 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) were indeed you again ([5], [6]), as we indeed always knew, but the insulting edits against ChrisO made just half an hour later from the same IP ([7], [8], [9]) were not? You have some explaining to do.

By the way, when you re-sign your IP posts, please don't replace the date stamp with a later one, it confuses the talk history. (Hint: use just three tildes, not four, and it will produce only your username sig without the date.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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"Racist statements"[edit]

Look, mate, in such a situation I would normally apologize for the confusion and I'd send you my best regards. But of course, it's quite clear that you know what I meant by posting this edit summary, and you're trying to exploit it to your personal advantage.

Kay, first of all, how's ""Macedonian" is not an ethnicity obviously" a racist statement? Did I say Macedonians should be exterminated or that they are a lower ethnicity? Because that would have been racist.
Then, would "Americans are not an ethnicity" or "Flemish people are not an ethnicity" have been racist? I honestly don't think so. There is a difference between people, nation and ethnicity, you should think about.
And now comes the punchline. As an ethnic Macedonian, you know the term "Macedonian" can mean a lot of stuff, from a salad to a religious cult. Well, what I meant by my edit summary (I think it's obvious from the quotation marks around "Macedonian" and edit summaries are supposed to be concise so I didn't explain any further) was that, in the case of this song, "Macedonian" refers to the region, not to the modern ethnicity. The people from Macedonia claim they have more beautiful girls than the people from Thrace, Moesia or Dobruja, you know, regional pride.

But of course, you knew what I meant and yet you just couldn't resist to accuse me of being a "racist" [why that?], a "pawn" [of the Bulgarian Propagandalf?], a "fanatic" [did I carry out 9/11?], a "person without power, knowledge, or intelligence" [I have no more or less power than you here, dunno about the rest], and, disappointingly, someone who grew up in that filthy Bulgaria. I mean, if you really thought I might mean something offensive and not that, you'd simply ask politely like everyone else and we'd clear that up.

I'll ask you the same way I asked User:MacedonianBoy: do you seriously believe I have to learn about the Macedonian language, culture and history? Do you seriously believe that I don't check my facts and do you really think our government issues any sort of propaganda? We're not the revisionists here, mate, we're not the ones trying to make up another history of the Balkans, we're not the ones erasing our own past from an entire region and 1,500 years of its history.

Sure, Macedonians aren't Bulgarians today, that's up to them to decide, I mean, I can be an Eskimo if I want to, but that won't change my origin and history. As for Macedonians hating Bulgarians, I for one don't think Macedonian people are hateful, but the media in your country sure as hell have an anti-Bulgarian approach. And the personal attacks you posted on my talk page really make me think I'm being disliked for some reason beyond my own control: the country I was born in, namely.

All the best, your dear pawn, Todor →Bozhinov 10:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked[edit]

100 hours for revert parole vio at Macedonia. Moreschi (talk) 23:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

My edits on Nov 21st and 22nd were minor edits and contributed to making the article more neutral. The following two edits were made to keep neutrality, and I even discussed the issue. For so much effort and NPOV editing, 100 hours of blockage is over-excessive. Please review my edits and penalty.

Decline reason:

You violated your parole regardless; edit warring can't be justified. Discussing without reverting would have been the better option. Sorry, but I'm afraid it looks like you'll have to sit this one out. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 05:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Macedonia[edit]

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Your reversion of vandalism at Germany[edit]

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Blocked[edit]

200 hours for revert parole vio at Macedonia. Moreschi (talk) 20:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ivitation[edit]

I will like to invite you somewhere,please contact me here [email protected] Makedonij (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image question[edit]

Can you please explain in what sense you believe File:Greekrefugeemap.png is a case of {{UN map}}? According to your own source note, it's from a copyrighted academic publication from a commercial publishing house. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonians (Greeks)[edit]

About the article, I would like to say to you that Macedonians (Greeks) are not just a regional identity. They are a subnational division of the Greek nation, as Greek nation has been formed during the last 4.000 years. In Macedonia (Greece), the population is about 2.400.000 people. The native Macedonians (Greeks) are about 1.300.000 people. The others are descedants of refugees of 1922. There are also about 200.000 native Macedonians (Greeks), dispread in the other parts of Greece, mainly in Athens. There are also 1.200.000 descentants of native Macedonians (Greeks) abroad, in countries like U.S.A., Canada, Australia, Russia, Germany and others. Finally, there are native Macedonians (Greeks), left in northern parts of ancient Macedonia, in countries like Albania, Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria, estimated in 200.000 people. You understand now, that Macedonians (Greeks) are about 3.000.000 people in total and I am one of them. We can't compare this group with "Aegean Macedonians", who they are about 20.000 people that left Greece after World War II, because they colaborated with the nazi. I think Macedonians (Greeks) are eligible for writing an article about us.Chrusts 09:44, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom[edit]

You need to familiarize yourself with this injunction from ArbCom that explicitly prohibits any page renamings until a ruling has been issued. Kindly undo yourself so I don't have to report you (which I would really rather not do). --Athenean (talk) 06:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They what?[edit]

Did you say that "Greek secret services were caught trying to change WP policy"? LOL. Can you direct me to the sources that claim this? Politis (talk) 15:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No sources for this one. This was directed at me. He doesn't like me that very much and wanted to make a personal remark. That's all. Unacceptable behaviour, but then again, I've learned not to expect better.--Laveol ^T 15:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the Macedonia article, Future Sunrise makes a reference to it around the time the name of the article was discussed. Laveol, I meant every word... like I stated your goal is suppression and for you to play it cool doesn't make it any less truthful Mactruth (talk) 03:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I said that? LOL. Now, of course I am myself a member of the Greek secret service, so I ought to know [10], but other than that I really have no idea what you are talking about. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked[edit]

Mactruth, this edit is quite unacceptable, as I am sure you were fully aware when you made it. I am blocking you for a week. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Worth it, meant every word. Will you ever reply to my post on your wall? Mactruth (talk) 03:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Carte ethnographique de l'Europe centrale et des états Balkaniques - La Science et la Vie 1918, P.jpg[edit]

Could you make a list of what the various colours mean in the legend if you still have the resource available? the resolution isn't very good. SADADS (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonian Greeks[edit]

Excuse me, what do you exactly dispute in Macedonians (Greeks)? The Greek character of the Hellenistic civilization? - Sthenel (talk) 22:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you understand English or not? I'm talking about the first citation that you ask for, regarding the culmination of the Greek influence in the east following Alexander's conquests. This is not something that needs a citation, the Greek influence was undeniable. Answer in the article's talk page. - Sthenel (talk) 00:22, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ANI[edit]

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Mike Vrabel[edit]

Hi! How do you know Mike Vrabel is a Macedonian? I really need to know this. Can you tell me where you heard that? The only thing I found was that he is German actually. Pozdrav! Makedonia (talk) 22:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Prespa e Vogël and Golloborda[edit]

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Before, for the Greeks, it was only 'Macedonian'[edit]

You are absolutely right, the term 'Greek Macedonian is a new phenomenon'. Before the current debate over the name issue, they called themselves Macedonians because it was understood that Macedonians were Greeks. Just look at 17th or 19th century Greek theologians, authors, etc who called themselves Macedonian and wished to defend mother Greece against the (Ottoman) Turks. Politis (talk) 20:39, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you trust original sources then you will discover that it was Greek-speakers who self-identified as Macedonian until the middle of the 19th century. Of course, today many different people have the right to call themselves Macedonians. Some speak Slavic dialects, some speak the official Makedonski, some speak official Greek, some speak Pontian Greek, etc. I respect your identity, but some of the sources and arguments from the links that you give are found in places like maknews and they are false. But I agree with some of your own observations. Politis (talk) 11:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User Monshuai indicted for a community ban[edit]

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Left a note you might be interested in at the[edit]

Talk:Prespa_e_Vogël_and_Golloborda#The_split_tag. Best! sulmues talk --Sulmues 20:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

I know what you mean. The point about sources is that we can select those that benefit our arguments, but also we interpret them in a way that benefits our argument. When a traveller is in the region in the 1630s, it does not mean he is an expert. For instance, British journalists were in Republic of Macedonia during the Albanian conflicts but I think they got it wrong. Politis (talk) 16:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Macedonian organizations[edit]

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hello[edit]

hello. i am from korea. i read about ancient greece for school.

i am confused. why do some people call them macedonian but they are not greek? in our books here we see it is a place in greece and ancient greece city.

thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.71.27 (talk) 23:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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December 2010[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Macedonia naming dispute, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:15, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Macedonia naming dispute. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Rv per WP:RS A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was constructive, evidence shows Macedonians were not invented, simply because you want to use select sources does not indicate the whole story. Also, I have used sources for the statements added. Please make valid arguments instead or whining. Mactruth (talk)

Google books are a valid source, maybe u should look at the sources before deleting them? Mactruth (talk) 07:27, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some books on Google books are considered reliable sources, while others are not. No comment on the rest of your sources... A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Rossos is a valid source and you no it. antonio milososki is a reliable source considering it is based on what the ethnic Macedonia VIEW IS. Mactruth (talk) 07:36, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are both biased: read Rossos's books and see for yourself; and Antonio Milososki is the current minister of foreign affairs of the Republic of Macedonia! By definition a POV source! So please keep a NPOV provided by reliable sources! A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: User talk:A Macedonian. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:50, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Message[edit]

Hello, Mactruth. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 08:57, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copying[edit]

Hello there! I've been watching you copying the style of my user page for the last couple of weeks, I have to admit I find it most amusing. It must be a tradition for you people to copy things from Greeks and others, right? Keep up the good job! A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 06:35, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is entertaining that you say Macedonians copy "Greeks", you think it is not well documented that mentioning "Macedonian" indicated oil down your mouth? How about you read on the trillions of dollars spent on propaganda over the last 20 years by your government in order to denounce the Macedonians. It may very well be a reason why your county is begging for the EU to bail it out now, but you already know this since you are one of those paid to spread more propaganda.

Even the Vlachs look down at Greeks stating Macedonia would not even be a part of Greece today if it wasn't for them. Before the Megali Idea introduced by a non-Greek, ancient Macedonians were viewed as destroying Greek culture and there is plenty of proof that Greek historians at that time felt the same way. Even after the Megali Idea, there were Greek militants and historians showing that Macedonians were present and were their own ethnic group. There is a reason why the "Makedonika language" was not understood by Greek militants.

Macedonia and Macedonians was Slavicized a long time ago, having the two cultures mix into one. Identification based on religious affiliation does not denounce Macedonian claim to being partly descendant from ancient Macedonians. Most of the Greeks living in Macedonia are descendent's of refugee who didn't speak Greek, let alone Macedonian. They were put in Macedonia in order to "make it Greek"/Hellenize it. Those people native to Macedonia were Hellenized through the church, school and terror. You are a descendant of these people, who always go back 2,000 years to make there unrealistic dreams of identity come true, while ignoring the last 200 years. Mactruth (talk) 04:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy reading my user page, I updated it just for you. Much more to come, because we both know these non-biased sources cannot be used in Wikipedia without it being removed instantaneously by the likes of your people. Mactruth (talk) 05:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 2011[edit]

This is your last warning; the next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at User talk:Mactruth, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 08:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Mactruth[edit]

Please do not make statements attacking people or groups of people. Wikipedia has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images in violation of our biographies of living persons policy will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hang on}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to let you know why I nominated your User page for deletion. While there's no problem including details of your ethnic/national/cultural origins (in fact, I think it's good to do so, as it helps show the diversity of Wikipedians), a lot of that page appears to be derogatory criticism of other ethnic groups, which is really not in keeping with Wikipedia's ethos of collegial editing for the good of human knowledge. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Advice about your userpage[edit]

Another admin declined the speedy deletion - I would have declined too, as it doesn't fall into what I would class an attack page, more a statement of how you view things. However, I note you have a few comments about it. If it starts arguments, then you may find it preferable to modify it in order to prevent issues for yourself. I also note your comments about websites and reliable sources - I dare say you've tried the reliable sources noticeboard....? Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at WP:ANI[edit]

OK, the speedy deletion of your User page was declined - and after some further thought I think that decision was correct (as it is not "wholly" an attack page). However, I do think some parts of it constitute unacceptable attacks on Greece, Greeks, and on some unnamed Wikipedia editors, and it shows you approaching Wikipedia with a Battlefield mentality rather than in accordance with Wikipedia's ethos of collegial editing for the furthering of human knowledge. I have raised a discussion at WP:ANI#User:Mactruth, which I hope you might take some note of, and perhaps act on. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Just a disclaimer - I have no ethnic or other connections with Greece, Macedonia, or any other places in that sadly strife-ridden part of the world. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked[edit]

Further to the above-mentioned ANI thread, I've blocked your account indefinitely. It seems that you are here to further ethnic conflict rather than build an encyclopedia, and you've had a number of blocks and warning about this before. You have also been notified of WP:ARBMAC so you were aware of the consequences of doing this sort of thing.

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Unblock appeal[edit]

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Request reason:

I am requesting an unblock, while I agree that changing "A Macedonian, A Greek" to "A Christian refugee wishing he was a Macedonian" was a bit extreme, I was doing it because it was instigated by User:A_Macedonian. My user page is my views and uses unbiased books as sources, and has similar format to User:A_Macedonian user page, which also post provocative statements like "I speak Greek like Alexander the Great did, not a modern Bulgaro-Serbian Slavic language like Gjorge Ivanov does." I posted these sources on my page because even though these statements are not written by Macedonians (unbiased) they are not allowed to be used as a source on Wikipedia pages. I would contribute to Wikipedia if the sources used were not deleted immediately by Bulgarians and Greeks. Administrators should remove biased sources while insuring unbiased sources remain in the pages, something that User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise has failed to do. This is an issue most Macedonians have with Wikipedia, it is not simply I. Mactruth (talk) 20:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

The criteria for reviewing a block is very narrow - you need to show that, if unblocked, you're unlikely to repeat the behavior that caused your block in the first place. Your comments in general, and this unblock request in particular, demonstrate that your are intent on continuing an ethnic conflict. Indeed, if we parse down your unblock request to only those statements relating to your behavior, we are left with the following: "I am requesting an unblock...", which is problematic. I will note my review in the ANI thread, for the record. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 21:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I think some of your User page comments take the battlefield mentality up a level. As I said in the ANI report, User:Mactruth#How propaganda works is attacking Greece and Greek Wikipedia editors, and User:Mactruth#Articles of irresponsible treatment of Macedonians by Greece is another attack on Greece. I'm not an admin, but I'd expect to see some backing down from those and some commitment to cease the ethnic infighting and the deliberate battlefield mentality, and to engage in collegial editing - but having had a look back at your history, I really think that ethnic battling is your only aim here -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter whether it is up a level, the bottom line is Greeks have a battlefield mentality also that is ignored on Wikipedia, 2 examples:

User:A_Macedonian states: "I speak Greek like Alexander the Great did, not a modern Bulgaro-Serbian Slavic language like Gjorge Ivanov does." It is also worth noting that this persons' username is "A Macedonian" yet he signs as "A Macedonian, A Greek" in order to provoke.

User:Sthenel states: "This user would support a solution of the Naming Issue for FYROM in the form of: Vardarska."

The User:Mactruth#Articles of irresponsible treatment of Macedonians by Greece articles were placed there because they were not allowed to be added to the Macedonia name dispute article, while many articles bashing Macedonia was allowed.

The User:Mactruth#How propaganda works article was written in order to make admins aware that propaganda sites were being used and allowed by admins:

Macedoniaontheweb

Macedonia_(region)#References promacedonia

It is not my aim to "cause ethnic fighting", it is my aim to make sure sources showing all sides of the story are being used. But I must ask, why is a Macedonian the only one being punished when it is evident that Greeks are also trying to stir ethnic fighting? Mactruth (talk) 03:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mactruth, read Macedonian language before accusing me: South Slavic branch of the Slavic branch of the Indo-European family of languages. The closest relative of Macedonian is Bulgarian [...] The next closest languages are Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian (once collectively known as Serbo-Croatian). I choose to use just the two main languages to define Macedonian language and disambiguate it from the unrelated ancient Macedonian language and that’s what Macedonian language is, so that’s what it is, deal with it. Furthermore, I never “tried to stir ethnic fighting” as you claim, that’s something you always did and a brief look at your history can easily verify this. To remind you, you are the one who started copying the style of my user page on December 25th and changed it in such way, creating those problems of yours. About my signature, you should be the last one to protest, since I have the exact right in self-identification as you do! A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 06:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would it have been so hard to call it, I don't know, maybe "modern Macedonian language" to differentiate it from ancient Macedonian language? An absurd "reason" does not justify your actions. Face it Wikipedia is discriminative towards Macedonians, you are allowed to spread all the propaganda you want on your page, while I post a few sources on mine and I get banned immediately without having the opportunity to respond? very sad day for Wikipedia, I understand blocking sources that were written by nationalistic Macedonians, but I posted a ton of non-biased non-Macedonian origin sources. Based on their reasoning you should be blocked also, but the absurd polarity is shown with their decision-making. A native Macedonian (talk) 07:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock appeal 2[edit]

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Mactruth (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am willing to be productive to Wikipedia if the administrators insure non-biased sources can be used on Macedonia related pages. It is embarrassing for Wikipedia to allow these sources to be deleted just because they show a Macedonian view that goes against Greek or Bulgarian views. This is where you guys have failed, and why Wikipedia has become polar towards Macedonia related pages to be anti-Macedonian. Having a user like user:A Macedonian spreading as much propaganda and hatred on his page, going as far as stating the Macedonian language is a "Bulgaro-Serbian Language" and then making up an absurd reason to cover his tracks, while blocking me infinitely for the same actions shows how polar against Macedonians Wikipedia is becoming. You don't want me posting articles on Greek misbehavior against Macedonians? Well I'm sorry but those events did occur but the Greeks have been trying to deliberately block those sources from being put in Wikipedia pages, hence the reason why I put it on my page. You don't want me to post "How Propaganda Works"? Well get your act together when it comes to source usage on Wikipedia, propaganda forums of Greek and Bulgarians are being used as sources in Wikipedia and the administrators are allowing this to happen. A native Macedonian (talk) 07:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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You seem to be under the mistaken belief that you have the ability to dictate the conditions of your unblock. Yuo will either edit collegially, using reliable sources, and seeking WP:CONSENSUS (using WP:DR when required]], or you will not edit. This same rule applies to everyone. Using WP:NOTTHEM when your own actions have been problematic shows a severe lack of understanding yourself, and the core policies of Wikipedia. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Yet more personal attacks by Mactruth... A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 11:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're not helping, A. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 13:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock appeal 3[edit]

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Mactruth (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

To the administrators, I would like this account closed. After viewing the events of these past view days, it has become obvious what is occurring here on Wikipedia. You want Macedonians to debate with Greeks/Bulgarians on Macedonia related articles, yet the administrators act like debate hasn't been tried before. Greeks/Bulgarians will delete and block any source, even unbiased ones, if they are deemed against their views. The administrators do not protect the users against the "bullying" of controlled censorship that is occurring, instead it is encouraged by the administrators for using double standards, deleting a Macedonians account while allow a Greek to use blatant racism here on Wikipedia. This is a disgust and an embarrassment to Wikipedia's purpose. Mactruth (talk) 04:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Facepalm There was no reason to frame this rant as an unblock request. You're already blocked indef. Accounts are never "closed" on Wikipedia. So, if you just stop visiting, it's the same as if it were "closed." — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 13:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. maybe this "administrator" of yours User:A Macedoniancan deal with the Greek history and be an "expert" in the field although i don't know what's his history degree. but tell him to stay out of Macedonian, Aromanian, Albanian and Bulgarian related articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.13.86.194 (talk) 07:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it interesting how this user and this user always are on the Macedonia related pages? The PhilHellenic Future Sunrise allows Bulgarian and Greeks to harass Macedonians even when using non-biased sources, stating we are vandalizing the pages by using unbiased sources? Clearly an agenda is occurring here on Wikipedia, and I suggest the more Macedonians that recognize this, the better. I was blocked even though this user committed Baiting and his racist views stating the Macedonian language is "Bulgaro-Serbian Language" is allowed to stay on Wikipedia. When I put sources on my page that are unbiased to refute this, I am BLOCKED INDEFINITELY! The propaganda is so tremendous I cannot even put sources on my USER PAGE let alone on Macedonia related articles. The administrators claim we are not discussion the sources, but we have already tried that and the Greeks and Bulgarians will ensure that no source refuting their claims are used on Wikipeda. A shame in freedom of speech, a shame on open knowledge, and a manipulation of history is at work, and administrators are helping it. A native Macedonian (talk) 03:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Official unblock appeal 3[edit]

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Mactruth (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have viewed my ANI discussion and feel I could benefit the Wikipedia community. I will removed the statements that caused provocation when unblocked, mainly the "Macedonian mistreatment by Greece" and "How Propaganda Works" section, and any other sections which was felt to go to far. Though it is true I was provoked, I should have notified the correct peoples instead of warring but I did not know who to contact. Thank you for your time. A native Macedonian (talk) 21:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Decline reason:

This is an arbitration enforcement block and can only be appealed as described at WP:AEBLOCK. Sandstein 23:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Sandstein If I could write on your wall I would have a discussion with you but I am trying to state that discussions have occurred in the past and I have tried compromising with issues but again valid sources are not being used by Bulgarians/Greeks while valid sources used by Macedonians are being removed if they do not coincide with their views. Please simply view one of my many discussions to see what is going on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bulgarian_dialects#Discussion Future Perfect Sunrise is very biased against Macedonians, and he is in a position which promotes less source diversity being used in Macedonia based issues. Mactruth (talk) 17:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here is another discussion which I was attributed too, and in the end the nonbiased sources I used were ignored: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Demographic_history_of_Macedonia#Jingiby But according to Future Perfect at Sunrise I did not discuss and am one of the most unproductive agents? Please explain to me why I was not allowed to reply to that thread before I was blocked? Mactruth (talk) 20:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the response to your unblock request. You can only be unblocked by WP:AEBLOCK requests. Nothing can be done for you through this page. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 21:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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