User talk:Llama Tierna

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Hello, Llama Tierna, and Welcome to Wikipedia!

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Giant Snowman 21:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Threatening users[edit]

I see by your basically empty User Talk page here that you have probably not be getting into a lot of back-and-forths with other users. There are some limits in how you are supposed to conduct yourself when you do so. In particular, I suggest you review WP:THREATEN. which would apply to messages like this one. Additionally, you have criticized that user not only on his talk page, but also on an article talk page and on WP:BLPN, for having deleted warning from his talk page. Per WP:NOTWALLOFSHAME, such deletion is considered appropriate when done by the user whose talk page the warning was on. As such, continued criticism on that basis is inappropriate. I recommend the you retract those complaints where you placed them. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 06:31, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @NatGertler. I can see that your accusations of WP:THREATEN are unbased and I see it as attempt to threaten me and suppress my editing. If you read my correspondence carefully on the Edelman's talk page, you could see that I even assumed good faith editing for @Thedrdonna, but they proceeded to add edits that were removed by the first neutral reviewer. Llama Tierna (talk) 20:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added edits to comply with your first demand that I not use Huffpost as a source, which I found to be a reasonable interpretation of Wikipedia's rules. Your response to that update was to threaten me with vague talk of "banning", because in your opinion my focus on reported and factual conduct by the subject of the article was "negative". I see no evidence of good faith on your part, solely high-handed attempts to impose your personal (and often unsubstantiated) interpretation of Wiki rules on the article in question-even if that means deleting timely and directly applicable factual information on its subject. Thedrdonna (talk) 21:26, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Llama[edit]

I noticed you recently edited Teal Sherer's wiki page and removed me, Gabe Uhr, as the writer of My Gimpy Life. The source you used is from an incorrect caption.

Teal created the show, we discussed stories together, produced together, and I was the sole credited writer on all 10 episodes: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1980197/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm

You can also find me credited as the writer in the credits at the end of every episode on MGL's official YouTube channel and Teal mentions me as the writer in multiple interviews: https://www.themarysue.com/exclusive-premiere-interview-teal-sherers-my-gimpy-life-season-2/

Would you please undo your revision and correctly credit me as the writer?

Best, Gabe Uhr Gabeuhr (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Gabeuhr!

OK. Just give me a little time. I'll look at the sources. If I've done it wrong, I'll be happy to redo it correctly. Llama Tierna (talk) 15:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed the info that had been hanging around for a long time marked unverified ("citation needed"). But you're right, of course. I've corrected the article now. Llama Tierna (talk) 16:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Llama, thank you very much for your prompt response and edit!

Sincerely,

Gabe Gabeuhr (talk) 16:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canvassing[edit]

It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. Giant Snowman 18:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 2024[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Joseph Edelman. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. — Bilorv (talk) 18:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bilorv.

I don't agree with you. Once we reached a point of no consensus on Edelman's page, I followed the guidelines and asked for help on the BLP forum from more experienced editors, but so far, I feel that I'm not welcome here. It also appears from my personal experience and some articles I've read that advanced Wikipedia editors are not very welcoming to new Wikipedia editors. This actually discourages me from contributing to Wikipedia altogether to be honest.

For your information as an administrator, I was also personally attacked by Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist (formerly temporarily banned as Tranarchist for bad faith editing on similar topics), who personally attacked me on the Talk page by saying my comments were "frankly silly." They later removed those words but never apologized. But you can check the revision history and the subsequent response of NatGertler on behalf of that editor. It looked like the first said I was an idiot and the second defended that editor's words suggesting that I'm an idiot and take it for granted. I'd ask you to take a look at this matter more closely or shall I file a complaint against those unethical editors? Please, advice.

Also, I've never experienced such a level of bullying and attitude online before as I have here on Wikipedia. I also feel that my opinion is treated as "second-rate" here for some reason. It seems that some topics are very sensitive on Wikipedia, so I'll refrain from editing for a while. Llama Tierna (talk) 14:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You solicited my opinion and input, so I gave it. Disagreeing is your prerogative. However, participating in Wikipedia requires following consensus, even while disagreeing with it.

The given description of a comment as "frankly silly" is not a personal attack; describing a person as "frankly silly" would be. Whether or not you have engaged in edit warring is unrelated to other people's behaviour.

While I agree in general that our community is hostile to newcomers, and have many thoughts on the solutions to this, it is for good reason that many volunteers have a trigger-happy attitude to newcomers editing topics related to extremist politics and fringe science. It is a learned response to widespread politically or financially motivated disruption of these topics. You will find a much lower barrier to entry if you focus your efforts on, say, adding reliable sources (such as journal articles) to our coverage of animals (based on your userpage). Your initial efforts may still be reverted but it is through this process that we become better editors. Learning from constructive feedback helps build confidence from others that you are here to build an encyclopedia. — Bilorv (talk) 16:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Friendly advice[edit]

Rather than pour more gasoline of this blazing fire, I prefer to share my thoughts with you via email. Unfortunately, you do not have your email feature active in your user preferences. I'm not sure if you can simply send me an email from my user page, but you can try. My past experiences have taught me to avoid these types of controversial discussions on WP but I am happy to discuss in with you further via email. Atsme 💬 📧 21:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

discussion at Administrators Noticeboard[edit]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Not broken[edit]

Please do no change links just because they are redirects, this is in violation of WP:NOTBROKEN. Thank you. Canterbury Tail talk 16:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]