User talk:Jergen

Guinea and Malawi

Hi Jergen, you said WOSM _did_ issue materials with these emblems? Where can they be found? Thanks and Gut Pfad! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 21:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your hard work on this! Right now, the Graphics Lab has stopped allowing Scout emblems to be redone, because some editors are paranoid about copyright. I have wishlists to three graphics editors who regularly help with cleanup and updates of Scout emblems, but it is a slow process. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

revise number to 32?

Should we now revise the number to 32 on the not-yet-WOSM articles? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

WOSM says 31 [1] or 34 [2]; but when I count the Potential Member Countries on [3]], I find only 29.

I think that nobody knows how they count countries (and it maybe there is nobody at teh WSB who is able to add correctly). It seems that Vatican City is no souvereign state in the eyes of WOSM, but they seem to consider Palestine, Hong Kong and the Republic of China souvereign - all four do not hold membership in the UN. Quite strange listing.

Actually, the UN have 192 member states - WOSM has 160 NSOs, 29/31/34 countries with non-aligned Scouting and 6 countries without Scouting (to the knowledge of WOSM): This adds up to 195, 197 or 200 countries. The first number seems to be correct. Take the 192 UN-members and add Palestine, Hong Kong and ROC: Voilà - 195 countries.

It is also quite strange that WOSM maintains the position that there is no Scouting in the PRC.

I wondered that myself. Three years ago, about the time you and I started here, there was a discussion about WOSM having U.S.-leaning politics, that a country _can_ be a dictatorship or have mandatory Scouting required of everyone, so long as that country was friendly to the U.S. Maybe they have a point-look at how fast Eduardo Missoni stepped down after U.S. threats. Thailand and Indonesia have mandatory Scouting, Belarus and South Korea have poor human rights records but back then both were WOSM, then look at the list of non-members, and it matches closely the list George Bush has made up of enemy or belligerent nations, even if they now have Scouts-Iran, China, until recently Syria, or places where the U.S. is fighting a war-Afghanistan and Iraq.

Perhaps we can take it upon ourselves to move China into the have-Scouts-but-not-recognized category because they do in fact have some? We should state that WOSM counts China as not having Scouts but that they are also not good at updating their site. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion: I would change the number to 29, everything else is very strange. --jergen (talk) 18:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yamaguchi, Yamaguchi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9lk0B1p3k0 Yamaguchi Japan -Candidate Site for the 23rd World Scout Jamboree. Time for an article? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The World Scout Conference will vote on this next Thursday: Japan and Singapore are bidding to host the 23rd WSJ. Can we wait for the press release?

Both countries put up promotional websites:

• Japan
• Singapore

During 21st WSJ, I saw the presentation from Singapore: They have a quite different concept compared to the past Jamborees. It is kind of camping next to the city, having workshops and activities at different places downtown. Transport should be done by train. --jergen (talk) 17:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I have great timing! :) I didn't know-you are much closer to WOSM activities. Yes, we can wait. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

National Organization of Scouts of Ukraine

Now we need to write this one. Where to start? Can you find an emblem? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I plan to do it next weekend; I do not think that the organization has an common emblem at the moment. --jergen (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Boy Scouts de Syrie

The header paragraph needs updated to reflect the new information. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Generic trefoils

I have removed your comment from this page, it is unhelpful to her, as she is not a Scout or Guide, further the language you used is loaded to make it sound like I am being dishonest. Brother, I do not believe you meant any ill intent, but the place to address requests I make is with me, not at the place I make the request. If you have a better suggestion for the logo, please point to a physical representation. Gut Pfad, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not at all happy about these generic images:

• As far as I know there is no reliable source for most of these images, even if some countries use this kind of emblems. The inclusion certainly conflicts with WP:NOR and WP:Sources.
• There is no need to have illustrations in all Scouting/Guiding articles. If we can not find any, we should leave the article without pictures (see WP:Images). Images should illustrate the article and not show something that we guess.

I reinserted my comment on User:LadyofHats/Scout image requests. Please consider WP:TALK#Editing comments. If you have the feeling, that I contest your request, you should it remove totally. --jergen (talk) 08:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

You certainly are welcome to your opinion. When we work together, we work very well. When we are opposed, as now, we are still brother Scouts, and there is never call for you to use loaded words like "misleading". If you are not familiar with the nuance, it is as though you call me a liar. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

What should I use instead of "misleading"? "Made up" is far more offensive but describes the problem in a quite definitive way. We have to remember that there are Scouting and Guiding organization with very little publicity. As long as we do not have any sources for images (or content) we should not display them.

Some examples for the wrong use of generic trefoils; I checked only the Afrika region with about 20 & of the WAGGGS member organizations:

• Guinea: Association Nationale des Guides de Guinée; correct emblem [4]
• Central African Republic: Association Nationale des Guides de Centrafrique; correct emblem [5]
• Burundi: Association des Guides du Burundi; correct emblem [6]

Far more of the emblems show different colors or no colors at all... --jergen (talk) 09:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, then put up these correct emblems yourself. You don't have to violate several points of the Scout Law and create an enemy to prove a point. Cool down. Also, I cannot open http://www.worldguiding.net/M/Mongolia%20Girl%20Guides.pdf , what does it look like? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Mongolia looks like the old Scouting Fleur-de-lis with a red trefoil in the background; there are two images, but both very crude. --jergen (talk) 09:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you do screencaptures of these? I cannot open pdfs on this computer. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to, but the pdfs are protected. See [7]. --jergen (talk) 09:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

We can have them modified to suit the protection, meanwhile please slow down. We now need replacement emblems for Image:Scout mongolia badge.png

• Image:Scout centrafricaine badge.png
• Image:Scout guinee badge.png
• Image:Scout burundi badge.png
• Image:Scout antigua and barbuda badge.png
• Image:Scouts uruguay badges.png

Whatever you think of me, you've removed a very kind lady's hard work for our project. Please bear that in mind before you rampantly remove more stuff. Your issue is with me, not with her. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, take a deep breath and relax guys. If we have an official source for an emblem, it's best to use that one. And yes the graphics lab only tries to help us. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I do not have access to these sources as they are PDF, and yes, I would prefer to use the official emblem where we know it. Going home now. Please, no more removals without replacements. I will help as best I can. I am not a liar, I am a good Scout. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Please take my appologies; I did not want to offend you.

I removed images from six articles (Asociación Guías Scout del Uruguay, The Girl Guides Association of Antigua and Barbuda, Girl Scout Association of Mongolia, Association des Guides du Burundi, Association Nationale des Guides de Guinée, Association Nationale des Guides de Centrafrique) where worldguiding.net shows totally different emblems; there are some more with wrong colors. A seventh picture was moved from The Girl Guides Association of Thailand to The National Scout Organization of Thailand.

I respect the work of the graphics lab, but Wikipedia:Verifiability requests the remove of unsourced and incorrect contents, even if was hard work to draw them. --jergen (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the pdfs are quite good protected. It is only possible to save them, but I cannot print them or extract the pictures. And I do not want to pay AUD 40 plus shipping for them... Found a workaround. --jergen (talk) 10:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Images

I just extracted 170 Guiding images (about 1.1 MB). Most of the are quite small (100x100px) and can only be used as examples when drawing larger versions. I do not want to upload them all. Can I send them to you via E-mail? If yes, pls send me your adress via Wikimail. --jergen (talk) 15:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

My e-mail is having problems here in Japan. Do you need to send all 170, or maybe just 20 that are different? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It's something about 35 that are different. The rest are (mainly) Brownie badges as well as other sections. Most of the images are to small to be displayed in Wikipedia and nearly all need some reworking. --jergen (talk) 06:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

If you can hold them for a while, the lady who has helped us is only on sporadiacally. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep the for some time; 1 MB is not that much. --jergen (talk) 17:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I sent you an e-mail. Send them to me and I will get them fixed. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll send them later today. Do you want the full package or only the 35 differing? --jergen (talk) 10:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

only the 35 differing, thanks. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to focus for now on the significantly different emblems. The color variants will keep for a while. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I've uploaded five new emblems over the existing filenames, and replaced them in the article, plus Mongolia-the images you sent are outdated ones for the Boy Scouts, I know because I created them 13 years ago when I lived in the area. They're not the ones of the Girl Scouts. I will keep looking, meanwhile I have replaced the generic ones. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 11:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I do not think WAGGGS has their act together, you can tell it in their publications. Some of them are just pretty bad scans of pins, others are color variations because of ranks. I think in cases of difference, the national websites must be more up-to-date than WAGGGS.

In the case of Mauritius, they published the bluebird badge as the national one. For Pakistan, the badge exists in English and in Urdu, and was gotten from their website. For Sudan, we tried to fix the text, but it is just too small to read. The one you have listed for Zimbabwe is actually for Southern Rhodesia, a 50 year old badge. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Lietuvos skautų sąjunga

You're the guy who knows about such things, should it be capitalized or no? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to post a question about this on your talk page:

I'm quite confused about Lietuvių Skautų Sąjunga. The logo inserted by the article's creator is that of Lietuvos skautų sąjunga (http://www.scouts.lt/lt/), the weblink included by him was pointing to http://www.skautas.lt/ (a webportal perhaps belongig to the same organization) and you lastly changed the article's title to Lietuvių Skautų Sąjunga (http://www.skautai.org/) which seems to be a Scouts-in-exile organization.

The article's text seems to describe an organization working in Lithuania, so I'd like to move the article to Lietuvos skautų sąjunga. Is this o.k. with you?

I think it should be lowercase, as displayd in the organization's address http://scouts.lt/lt/component/option,com_contact/Itemid,34/. --jergen (talk) 13:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Watch this article, the guy keeps moving it back to the nondescript English name. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Mauritania

"Because of the differences between Maghrebians and black Africans there were in fact two distinct associations. Mauritania having only one official religion, these two movements were amalgamated in 2001 and the black African leaders were removed."

Do you know anything about this?Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

rm emblem - this is not on an organization

I know the articles are not orgs, but they cover multiple orgs for which we do not have the emblems. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Then please list each missing organization single. Tagging the "Scouting in ..." is not helpful since nobody knows what exactly is requested. Second, I'm not sure if the inclusion of emblems in these articles matches fair use - I'm not planning to ask somebody about this. --jergen (talk) 07:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I will ask the Scout project for parameters to ask for individual organizations in the template. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Andorra

I can't read the PDFs on my computer, can you capture the texts? I'd love to see them, thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, brother! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 17:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Vietnamese Scout Association

Good catch, I know this article is a mess, but it's kind of like Plast, as far as I understand it, the organization existed in the country, then only in exile for many years, and now the same organization is back in the country. I don't think it is three separate organizations. But it does need cleanup. The Vietnamese editor who added so much is very good, but it is cluttered and disjointed. I'm not sure we can split it, though, like we did Russia. Take a look at Plast or Homenetmen, it's that type of situation. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

ps-thanks for the Cambodian emblem. It's too bad they took a beautiful design and used such ugly colors together. :( Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Haï Ari

What do you think about splitting off Haï Ari from the main Armenian article? It was a separate org, and gave up its WOSM membership so Armenia could be a member. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége

founded January 28th 1989 translation: Hungarian Scout Groups Association formed in 1990 together with the Magyar Cserkészszövetség (refounded in 1988) the Magyar Cserkészet Tanácsa (Council of Hungarian Scouting), which became a WOSM member in 1990. In 1992 the registration of Hungary with the World Scout Bureau was changed from the Magyar Cserkészet Tanácsa to Magyar Cserkészszövetség. In 1993 Magyar Cserkészövetség had 25.000 members, Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége 300. Further more important causes for the change of registration were that the Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége blocked the work of the Federation and didn´t answer letters sent by WOSM. Further more there were problems within Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége.In 1992 15 groups of Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége joined Magyar Cserkészövetség.Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége doesn´t exist anymore.

The Magyar Cserkészszövetség (coed) was always the traditional Scouts. They said in 1988 we want return to real Scouting (i.e. with a promise that includes the Duty to God). They revived the Hungarian Scouting traditions. Magyar Cserkészlány Szövetség (Hungarian Girl Scouts Association) was also a traditional Girl Guides organization. They revived Hungarian Guiding traditions.

Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége (also coed) said you can not revive traditional Scouting and Guiding in Hungary and the two other associations are linked too close to the Churches. Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége let their groups big independence. In 1989 the had close ties to the Patriotic People´s Front.

Magyar Cserkészcsapatok Szovetsége used Fleur-de-lis with the Hungarian National Colours. Magyar Cserkészszövetség used the traditional Hungarian Scout badge with the Crown of Saint Stephen.

Jó munkát -Phips (talk) 13:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Scouting logos

The images have to meet every criterion of the non-free content criteria. In any case, they do not meet #8, as the logos are not discussed in the prose. Generally (I can't think of any counter-examples, but there may be some) non-free logos are only permissible on the article about the organisation they represent, or somewhere the logo itself is discussed. These articles do not meet either of those. Furthermore, galleries are generally inappropriate for non-free content, which should be tied closely with the text (in order to prove its significance). Please review the guidelines on non-free content and the guidelines on logos. J Milburn (talk) 14:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Move of Scouting articles

I responsed to your posting on my talk page. Spshu (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

rename of Russian articles?

What is the purpose of splitting them like that? You put an awful lot of work into it, and then piped them right back to Scouting in Russia. Are you planning on writing the articles? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm still awaiting your answer on this. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Georgia Scout

ps-does it look to you like Georgia has changed their Scout emblem, based on the colors of their new flag? http://www.scout.org/en/around_the_world/eurasia/information_events/media_centre/third_eurasia_regional_scout_conference/picture_2 ? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Scouting in Lebanon

Based on http://www.scoutschretiens.com , this Christian Scouts Association looks more like UIGSE (look at the artwork on the flag)-your thoughts? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

My first thought ;). They claim membeship in the FSL but unfortunately there is no other content on their website. I'm not not really familiar with the situation of Scouting in Lebanon, but I think I remember something like "All Scouting organizations in Lebanon are required by the gouvernement to adhere to one of the two federations". So it could be possible that the Scouts Chrétiens are a member of the FSL and follow the principles of UIGSE atthe same time. --jergen (talk) 17:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Sojuz na Izvidnici na Makedonija

that's not how the syntax reads, break the phrase down into component parts. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Girl Scouts of Jamaica

re the deletion of the history, I am the author of the the GSJ website so it is my copyright and I choose to copy. Are there any other objections? Do I need to add anything? Thanks--Girlscoutsjm (talk) 09:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Scouting in France

What do you mean? I really don't follow what you're saying. My view that there are too many non-free images in the article is invalid because I'm attacking the project? I think one of us has completely misjudged the situation here. J Milburn (talk) 20:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Jergen is saying that "It is clear that the scouting project has failed to deal with this issue, and an issue it is" is contentious and rude, and violates WP:CIVIL, and incivil it is. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Your comment on the talk page shows an issue with the project as a whole; it gives no clear reason why this sole article was tagged. If you have problems with the porject, you should mention them on the project's talk; if you see a problem with a single article, you should explain only the problem and refrain from saying "XY fails to deal with it". --jergen (talk) 08:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Right, ok, I understand what your issue was then. No offense was meant, I was just trying to say "I am aware the project is working on it, but they haven't got to this one". I was trying to separate my issue with that article from my past discussions with the project as a whole, but I see my comment actually had the opposite effect- I apologise. J Milburn (talk) 23:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Zemgale

This Latvian Scout image has Zemgale in the name, but the Latvian name is 6000 miles away buried in storage. Would it be enough to call it the Zemgale Regional SO? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 14:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

That's funny how often I run across my own research on the web, too. I've been studying the rebirth of Scouting for 19 years, and I come across things that sound like me, source them, they are me. Thanks for your hard work. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

I just got an e-mail from the WOSM guy in Azerbaijan "Dear Mr. Chris Fitch, Thank you for looking into this and volunteering your time. The information is brief, but factually correct with current membership to be registered as 1359. We have a sound plan for the expansion of the scouting in 2009, which should help us to expand the membership significantly. I am sending you attached the correct logo of the Association to be placed on the Wiki. Also please note that soon we plan to launch an official web site of the Association of the Scouts of Azerbaijan which could be then used as a source of update information about Scouting Movement in Azerbaijan. Also attached is the Russian language brochure on the association you might want to reference, if any use. YiS, Namik Jafarov" can we somehow incorporate the bold text into the article? Do you think it useful? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Happy Jergen's Day!

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scout-gazeta.ru

Just curious as to why you removed the WP:EL to www.scout-gazeta.ru from the article, as it is the official newspaper of the Russian Scouts Organisation, it does supply more information on scouting in Russia, and although it is only available in Russian, doesn't negate it being included in external links. --Russavia ^Dialogue 09:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Pls see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)#Non-English-language sites. None of the cases mentioned there applies to your link. --jergen (talk) 11:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

That MOS guideline states that English language links are preferred, but it does not state that they are not allowed. WP:ELYES says that it is ok to link to "Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews." Under that guideline the link is quite OK, as it is annotated with the language it is in. As the topic is "Scouting in Russia", one would expect some Russian language links. Also, note WP:ELNO states "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace),[1] chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), USENET newsgroups or e-mail lists." so the link to the Yahoo group should go. --Russavia ^Dialogue 12:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The site has no content that the average user could use. It is not helpful, so there is no need to link to it. EOD. --jergen (talk) 12:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

EOD = End of discussion? That seems a bit like WP:OWN to me. If this is what one is asserting then please say so, because that is somewhat stand offish. Of course the site has plenty of content that users could use, such as archives of their newspaper issues, and articles detailing happenings within the largest scouting organisation in Russia. Although the site is in Russian, non-Russian readers are able to use Google translate (or other such service) to view both the site and the documents, and I dare say that after looking, this site has more information that the official scouts-russia.ru website has. If you want to wikilawyer against the inclusion of a useful resource of information, then I'll let you guys sort that out. --Russavia ^Dialogue 01:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Syria

That needs to be sourced and/or mentioned in the article, not just reverted. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 11:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The existence of the "Scouts assyriens" and the Homenetmen as separate organizations is speculative as well. Do you have any sources on them? These emblems [8] of the "Scouts assyriens" claim to be from Iraq, but the page is not reliable:

• The second emblem in the last row is used by Syriaque Scouts all over the world.
• The third emblem in the last row comes from Sweden and is used by a Syriaque Scout unit up there. It is certainly no national emblem.

Can't say anything on the first emblem in that row. --jergen (talk) 12:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the weblink! Nothing related to that badge says Sweden. You earlier said "the "scouts assyriens"/"syriac scouts" are affiliated to the Scouts of Syria." So reversion without discussion is uncalled for, please take it to the talk page. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's the Swedish national badge. Guess why? --jergen (talk) 12:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Speculation, like saying Pepsi is owned by South Korea, because the emblems look similar. You well know many orgs borrow emblems they like from other orgs. If you can find something of substance, I'll totally remove it. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any substantial hints for the existence of this organization? It is very hard to prove the non-existence of something. --jergen (talk) 13:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The badges are a start. Unless they're farby, which is possible. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

They prove only the existence of badges but not the existence of separate organizations.

There is a wide variety of possible reasons for these badges ranging from fraud over the existence of an Assyrian branch within Syrian (or Iraqi?) Scouting to the existence of separate organizations. But we do know nothing about the groups represented by these badges, not even the country they are living in. We can only speculate but Wikipedia policies demand that "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable". --jergen (talk) 09:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Horvátországi Magyarok Zrínyi Miklós Cserkészcsapata

You are good at this stuff, can you verify if the Hungarian-Croatian org name has changed? To me, it sounds like an individual group name rather than the national ethnic org. Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't say if the name of the org has changed, but I do not think so. There are not that many Hungarians in Croatia and I think they had never more than one troop. "Zrínyi Miklós" refers to Miklós Zrínyi. "Cserkészcsapat(a)" seems to refer to troops.

Perhaps you should my Austrian friend User:Phips who understands some Hungarian. --jergen (talk) 16:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 17:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

South Tyrol

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20090122132406&target=Piccolo+Modificatore+Laborioso‏ . I don't doubt this editor's good intent, but he's removing all articles from a stack of categories he doesn't like, then CfDing those categories. As I understand it, you're supposed to leave the stuff in there until debate is closed. Randy says "Also, this is part of the Italian-German debates. You may want to get Phips and Jergen involved." Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Liga dos Escuteiros de Moçambique

You're good at verifying things, is the stuff I reverted valid? Too much removal made me suspicious. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The additions seem correct but there was some whitewashing. I'll review the article this weekend. --jergen (talk) 09:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if there was ever a decision, but...

I created User:Jergen/Scouting in X to Scouting and Guiding in X as a framework. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Either do I. I'll put it again on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting for discussion.

I think some of the REDIRs should be the other way round (eg US, Taiwan, Phillipines). I'll mark these. --jergen (talk) 09:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Русский Союз Скаутов

I found ru:Русский Союз Скаутов, which we don't have on en:wiki. Know anyone to do a proper translation? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Russian Union of Scouts, seemingly affiliated to the All-Russian National Scouting Organisation. --jergen (talk) 09:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

No, I mean, translated from the Russian into an English version. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, did not read to the end. The russian article contains only the Scout Law, a list of groups/towns and a list of international contacts. There is near to nothing we could use here. --jergen (talk) 11:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Savez izviđača Hrvatske

Take a look at the talkpage. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 07:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Honors and awards of Yawgoog Scout Reservation

I would support the AfD if you propose it. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 09:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Escouts

I stumbled on your speedy deletion tag on the Escouts page and have reverted it. I also noted that this was not listed as having been tagged for deletion in the Project page, which might have helped people know what was going on? I agree that the article has issues, but I think it ought to go through AfD if you want to see it deleted, rather than use unilateral deletionism. DiverScout (talk) 12:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Please add Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Article alerts to your watchlist; this page covers all proposals for deletion etc and is updated daily. --jergen (talk) 19:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I assumed that it should be listed on the Project page... DiverScout (talk) 20:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Lebanon, aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiigh!

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1874816_1836730,00.html was just posted to the Mahdi Scout article. It says

• ... "Scout City", a large recreation facility for Scout programs in Lebanon's Beka'a valley. (that seems useful)
• ... With an estimated 60,000 children and Scout leaders, the Mahdi Scouts are the largest of the scout groups in Lebanon. (it's now sourced, but is it true? The Mahdi article says they are a member of WOSM, the Lebanon article omits them. Do we know for sure? If they are, then membership numbers for Lebanon must be off by thousands)
• ... group's top official, Nazih Fayyad... (we have a different name)

Your thoughts? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 06:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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Maximilian Bayer

Can you translate the de.wiki version of this to the en.wiki version? It looks quite interesting. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

EAMUS?

Have you any idea what this is? File:Eamus.svg Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

WOSM Eurasian and European Scout meeting in Kyiv, April, 2009

Thanks! Do you know why this was held jointly and what was worked on? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 10:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Man I wish they didn't use PDF-none of the computers I'm around here in Japan supports PDF. :( Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 11:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Ukrainian Scout logos

If you are going to remove {{non-free Scout logo}}, then please add the image to one of the Scouting image categories. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Does this law mean the images can/should be on Commons instead? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Looking at this, I don't see which point the image would fall under to be considered PD. Please explain. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Took me a moment myself. Near as I can figure, it's (d) ... symbols and signs of enterprises, institutions and organizations; Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

+1. It's d) "... symbols and signs of enterprises, institutions and organizations", which is widely applied for Football clubs. These images can be moved to commons (see the description of Category:PD-UA-exempt). --jergen (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Scouting in Iran

Now that there are boy and girl articles we should make this a disambig, I think. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. --jergen (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Do you know anyone who speaks Portuguese? I just got badge images for Guinea-Bissau, Equatorial Guinea and Somalia! :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

changing regional templates to continents

Why are you changing them? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Because these articles are not on the potential WOSM member organizations but on Scouting and Guiding as a whole. --jergen (talk) 12:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Kosovo

I'm not at all a fan of this piece of real estate being taken over by immigrants then declared "independent", but check your Facebook, we have Western Sahara and Antarctica, I suppose it's time we write this one. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

List of Maliyadeva College Colour Hlders

seems to meet no speedy criterion--I changed to to WP:PROD--it should certainly be deleted, so if the prod tag is removed, take it to AfD. If difficulties arise, let me know DGG (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Good work

Just wanted to drop in and say thank you for the work you've done promoting scouting around the world. Many people are not aware of these valuable organizations. Thank you. Joe407 (talk) 11:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Institucional Hermandad Scout del Desierto Macro Zona Norte Chile

Do you know anything about these guys? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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Deutscher Pfadfinderbund Namibia

Maybe 10 groups is not enough to be notable, but I think it's fascinating and deserves and article, want to build one? http://www.scout-o-wiki.de/index.php/Maximilian_Bayer#Exkurs:Deutsche_Pfadfinder_in_S.C3.BCdwestafrika.2FNamibia Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Scout Association of the People's Republic of China

Phips found a bunch of stuff-looks like the next one to be written... Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 02:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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Portuguese translation

On our members list it says you understand, can you tell me what this says? File:Jergen Corpo Nacional de Escutas da Guiné-Bissau text.JPG Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 20:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll try, but I have only a basic understanding of Portuguese. For a good translation you should contact WP:WikiProject Portugal.

The text reads:

National Corps of Scouts (CNE-GB)

(Catholic Scouts of Guinea-Bissau)

With much joy we announce that

• after fifteen months of preparation by a group of fifteen people, ten men and five women, seven of them Scouts during the colonial period,
• and with an intensive orientation course by six Commisssioners of the Corpo Nacional de Escutas de Portugal which took place in the parochial center between the 23rd and the 27th February,

the cathedral of Bissau will be for the first time after twentyseven years the place of the renovation of the largest youth movement of the world,

with which we are proposing an alternative way of formation to our youth.

Even for Germans, it is a terribly long sentence and the important part is hidden in the second half. I hope this rough translation is close to the source, but for an authorative one you should contact somebody with an advanced knowledge of Portuguese. --jergen (talk) 08:12, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hungarian Scouting in Romania

Thank you for the clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokarudi (talk • contribs) 16:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Azymut

Jergen, you would know better than most, is there any evidence for "and Guiding" in the proper name of ZHP? It doesn't translate like that. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Polish does not differenciate between Guides and Scouts.

"Polish Scouting and Guiding Association" has a prevalence of about twenty to one over "Polish Scouting Association" when checked via Google (Polish Scouting and Guiding Association: 32.900 hits; Polish Scouting Association: 1.490 hits). "Polish Scouting and Guiding Association" is also the translation used by WOSM [9], WAGGGS [10], DESMOS [11], ESF [12], ICCG [13], BSA [14], the Polish gouvernment [15], and the European Union [16].

I'll move the article back. --jergen (talk) 17:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

PS: I'm more interested in the question if ZHP can keep its membership within WOSM and WAGGGS: ZHP did not pay membership for some years. --jergen (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Can we find a source for that? I think that is important. And if they lost membership, who would step in? --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 02:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Answer per Wikimail. --jergen (talk) 09:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Question on the speedy deletion of Talk:Sequoiafarm Kaldenkirchen

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Commons help

Can you make a Deutsch translation of this for me on commons: Category:Dachswald ? Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I made a few tweaks to the English version. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

German portal theme

Hi. I chose an all GGGS theme for the March portal, see WT:Scout. I'd like to do a German one for April. If you could choose a set of good articles for that, I'd appreciate it. Just drop them on the candidates pages. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Wezombeli

Please take a look and see what you think. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Deutscher Pfadfinderbund Namibia

I've always thought an article on this group would be fascinating, would you be willing to help in translation? http://www.az.com.na/kultur/allzeit-bereit.103996.php I can do it by machine but it will be rough. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Translation

Can you go to Commons and translate title, extra, and original: File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-12814, Kairo, Gruppe deutsche Pfadfinder.jpg ? Tks. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. That was kind of difficult to translate. --jergen (talk) 07:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Sometime, when you have time, that Colonial Scout article would be useful in English! ;) --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 09:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

your Scout poster

A while back, you told me

• File:Association of Scouts of Azerbaijan.png: The logo includes a surrounding graphic and a sun
• Albania: Featured is a badge similar to File:Besa Skaut Albania.png

Did you ever find those images? --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 19:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, now most images we have match. I just got the poster, and some answers-Azerbaijan is a camp logo, not the national badge. Though perhaps it should have the rub al hizb around it. The only vastly different one is Burkina Faso-I will try to scan it. The poster is also badly miscolored in places.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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Come to Egel's page!

Your help is needed and requested.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Trieste Scouts

Do you know if the Free Territory of Trieste had Scouts?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Greenland Guide and Scout Association

Is this a legitimate name change? The website is all in Danish.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 18:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Like me, you overlooked the tiny Union Jack in the upper right of the website ;-) The move is correct. --jergen (talk) 08:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Good catch! Tiny is right!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Azerbaijan next

A while back you gave me a list of emblems we don't have quite right, and you have a poster from the Jamboree or something. You said the logo includes a surrounding graphic and a sun, were you able to make an image of it?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 11:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Who are they?

File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-12634, Berlin, Demonstration der Heilsarmee.jpg seems to hint at them being Girl Guides.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The description says "Salvation Army Girl Guides". The existence of this organization is unclear, afaik there are no printed sources. --jergen (talk) 09:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Any luck with Trieste and Azerbaijan?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Bosnia

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Savjet_izvi%C4%91a%C4%8Dkih_organizacija_u_Bosni_i_Hercegovini&action=historysubmit&diff=393225989&oldid=393212882 What do you think, worthwhile or nn?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:17, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced. Sources concerning the UIGSE is a real problem, even their official website is sometimes outdated by far and sometimes updated twice a month. --jergen (talk) 15:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

So leave it out for now?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Leave it out. --jergen (talk) 09:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, there is an independet source now [17], stating that four (!) Scouts made their promises. Even with an source for the existence of the association, it is very clearly non-notable. --jergen (talk) 09:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

While we're on the topic, this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gerri.rama concerns me.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's an user with an agenda, but little knowledge of Wikipedia. --jergen (talk) 19:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

That's what I was feeling too. Usually you and I both leave Scouting WP invites if it is a potential good user, this one seems... different.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 23:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello everybody! I agree with you: I haven't a so accurate knowledge about Wikipedia but I have some experience in italian version.... Maybe the association that I mentioned is not so notable, but I worked in according with other wikipedia pages! I didn't made a page about this association, but about the bosnian-hercegovian scouting because the page wasn't opportune for different reason and in this page I mentioned all the association existing! I didn't make a page about this organization, metodology or other that, I agree with you, are not notable now!

By the way I invite every user to use "discussion page", as normal in Italian version (not in this version?), I find it constructive... everything would be easy in this manner! YIS --Gerri.rama (talk) 13:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

There is an consensus on the notability of Scouting organizations: An organization should be operating nationwide and consist of mere than a few dispersed groups or members. Additionally, independent sources should exist.

This is not the case conserning UIGSE's member organizations in Bosnia, Austria or Ukraine.

Could you please discuss all porposed changes with the Scouting project here before applying them? An elaborate structure of Scouting articles exists. Please use WT:WikiProject Scouting. --jergen (talk)

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"Without Scouting" "Without Guiding"

What about adding "Without Guiding" to the GGGS region templates, like we have "Without Scouting" for the WOSM templates?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I would not add it: WAGGGS (or any other source) does not state that countries are without Guiding/Girl Scouting. The situation is especially complicated in Eastern Europe, where a number of countries have no Guiding organization as a result of WOSM's admission policy; further on, there are countries with merged organizations that left WAGGGS after the merger (eg Indonesia; afaik, Finland is actually discussing this question) - does Guiding exist in these countries? --jergen (talk) 08:11, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Why do they have this policy? Seems rather counter to Scouting, IMO.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

6 new members?

It says here http://www.scout.org/en/information_events/news/2011/world_scouting_announces_new_committee_chairpersons we need to change the chart, but I can't find the new names so I can write bios. Help?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

• World Scout Comittee Election Results. Karin Ahlbäck represented before the elections the WSYF as Youth advisor at the Committee [18], Mari Nakano is the first woman representing the Asia Pacific region and Daniel Ownby ist the youngest BSA member ever elected to the committee. --jergen (talk) 09:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

And two of them are my Facebook friends! Looks like I owe them congratulations, thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Reply

in reply for the post---Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Bangladesh Scouts. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --jergen (talk) 20:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

You have been repeatedly told to discuss your proposed changes on the talk page of Bangladesh Scouts. You have now added them back three times without such discussion. This is in violation of the three revert rule in the Wikipedia:Edit warring policy. If you revert once more you will be blocked from editing wikipedia. Come on, Scouts are suppose to be friendly and collaborate. Try to justify your changes on the talk page. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

sorry i had not seen this massage --Tahmidazuwad (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Category:WAGGGS member organizations sorting

I was attempting to sort this category on Country but you appear have appeared to removed the sortkeys I added; surely sorting this category on Country would be far more useful rather than having a mixture of countries, G for Girl guides and A for Association etc ? Look forward to hearing your reasoning ! GrahamHardy (talk) 22:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

This was long ago discussed in the Scouting Wikiproject, and the outcome was the current sorting by names; excuse me for not going through the archives. The main problem is the existence of organizations without any reference to the homecountry (eg Bund der Pfadfinderinnen und Pfadfinder or Public Scout and Girl Guide Movement). If the category was sorted by countries, it were quite unclear how to arrange these organisations - by name or by country? By name would break the overall system, by country would seem unexplainable for readers.

Second, the sorting by name is used in most categories with topics from different countries, eg Category:International Falcon Movement – Socialist Education International or Category:Youth organizations. Sorting by country would break this system for only one category.

BTW, you did not sort by countries, but by something that may hint on the country. Sorting by country would mean the usage of English country names. --jergen (talk) 08:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I have taken a rough look at this category and It contains around 170 members. around 50 already happen to be sorted on Country (or similiar). 90 are sorted on "Association" or "Girl" or something simliar. 30 are not suitable for Country or equivalent sorting. If we sort on country or equivalent then 140 will be easily found in the Category. 30 will remain elusive (and may as well be left as they are) If we leave as is then only 50 are easily found ! So we increase the number of easily found articles by a factor of nearly three ! Those without the country (or equivalent) are always going to be problematic but least we make the category more useful for some 80% of members. You mention the system used by other categories - the two examples you gave appear to have very few examples of members with countries in the name. Category:International Falcon Movement – Socialist Education International has only two, Category:Youth organizations so the argument for applying ths change to them is weak. But for examples like this one and Category:WOSM member organizations the benefits appear to far outweigh the problems Anyway I don't want to cause too much fuss but it just seems to make the category far easier to use. Perhaps you'd better point me at the past debate ! Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Category sorting has to be systematic, all over en.wp. Insular solutions don't work and are not userfriendly. Please change first the guidelines at WP:SORTKEY.

A mixture of different sorting systems in a single category is not helpful. Your examplary count is wrong: The category as a whole is sorted by the organization's name, only some names have by chance the country's name as first word.

Why don't you search an other international organizations category for your vandalism? --jergen (talk) 22:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Apologies if you regarded my contribution as vandalism, anyway I have added an explicit link to List of World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts members to the Category heading and am happy now; apologies for causing you grief ! GrahamHardy (talk) 09:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Please excuse me for being so brusque last night. I opened Wikipedia after a four hours debate over my parishes budget and was in a really bad mood; but editing is something you shouldn't do then. --jergen (talk) 12:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Interamerican move?

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interamerican_Scout_Region_%28World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement%29&action=history the recent edits I reverted. Did they really move? The target page, if so, is really Ciudad del Saber--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

They did move (or will move very soon). Half a year ago or so a building was purchased. --jergen (talk) 09:41, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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GCC Girl Guides

What do you make of this? http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=upi20110112-135613-9709&show_article=1 Fatima honoured by GCC Girl Guides for empowering woman --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:15, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Never heard of it. Some informal subregional structure within WAGGGS. However, there are some more of this kind in Europe ("Deutschsprachige Konferenz" = German language conference; "Nordisk Samarbetskommitté" = Nordic cooperation committee; both WAGGGS/WOSM) and in Africa (Eastern, Southern and West Africa Sub Regions; WOSM only). --jergen (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Guides Catholiques du Canada

I just found a badge for them, whose organization is this?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

See Girl Guides of Canada#History, the last paragraph. After the end of the affiliation in 2006, I think, the association was dissolved. A part of its members joined the GGC directly, which has now French speaking units, the rest joined the Association des Scouts du Canada. More details on [19] (in French). --jergen (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

"Foundation" date for Japanese Scouting

I see why you undid the edit and have sent a letter, with references, to WOSM asking them to correct their listing. Best to correct the source of inaccurate data stated as "fact", especially when it is listed by WOSM. SAJ has published that the first "translation" of Scouting for Boys was 1910. I've seen a copy and, although it's not a direct translation but rather a work based on "Scouting for Boys", it was published in 1910. SAJ also placed a marker on C. Griffin's grave in Yokohama saying, in Japanese, that he started Japan's first Scout Troop in 1911 and was Japan's first Scout Master. Shimoda's organization of 1916 is the group that was merged and reorganized into the Japansese Scout Association in 1922 so the possible dates are 1910, 1911, 1916 or 1922 depending on interpretation. I can't find anything to justify 1913. Yokohama1 (talk) 10:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Eurasia(n) and Europe(an)

An editor changed all of the "Eurasian" in the article to "Eurasia", I checked the WOSM site, maybe he's right, same with Europe, what do you think?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

What about this one?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

NACS

Did Cambodia shorten their national org name? Take a look http://scout.org/en/around_the_world/asia_pacific/about_scouting/natl_scout_organizations --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

They did. [20], second paragraph. --jergen (talk) 10:22, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you find a large version of their emblem, like you did for NACS? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 18:38, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

please have a look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rupert.Schildboeck --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to pick a fight, and I'm still not

Your discussion on the European page looked like you were treating me as an antagonist, which is why I said what I did. You and I are not enemies, we're brother Scouts, and there is no reason for you and I (ever) to jab at each other. It was not necessary for you to post on BDuke's talkpage that "unfortunately" I was posting a rebuttal. I hold no ill feeling toward you and I hope you will understand my viewpoint. Your brother in Scouting, whether you talk to me or not, Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Scouting in France

Bonjour ! Désolé de parler en français, je ne parle pas bien anglais. Vous avez reverté mes modifications sur Scouting and Guiding in France et Scoutisme français. Je vous explique ces modifications. Les Scouts Vietnamiens de France sont une toute petite association, inconnue en France, et sont seulement membre associé. D'ailleurs, ils ne figurent pas dans la colonne de gauche "membres" sur le site internet du Scoutisme français. Présenter les SVF à égalité avec les cinq autres membres ne correspond à aucune réalité. La Conférence française de scoutisme n'a jamais eu d'activité depuis sa création en 2000 : c'est une association-fantôme. Même les membres des associations de la CFS ne savent pas qu'elle existe ! Présenter le scoutisme en France avec la CFS ne correspond pas non plus à la réalité et est un POV. Le scoutisme en France est divisé entre les associations membres du Scoutisme français et les associations non-membres. Mais faites ce que vous voulez, je m'en fiche. En venant sur WP en, je voulais aider avec mes connaissances sur le scoutisme en France. PS : Si vous me répondez, faites-le ici ou sur ma page en français SVP.

Hello ! You reverted my edits on Scouting and Guiding in France and Scoutisme français. I want to explain this edits. The Scouts Vietnamiens de France are a very small association, unknown in France, and are only associated member : there are not in the column "member" on the left of the website of the Scoutisme français. Present the SVF like the five other members is not the reality. The Conférence française de scoutisme has no activity and has never had any activities since it was created in 2000 : it is a ghost association. Even the members of the three CFS associations don't know it exists ! Present the french scouting with the CFS is neither the reality and is a POV. French scouting is splitted between members of the Scoutisme français and non-members. But do whatever you want, I don't care. Coming on WP en, I just wanted to try helping with my knowledges about french scouting. PS : If you answer, please do it on this page or on mine in french . Thank you !

φ... 00:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phiérithros (talk • contribs)

Scouting and Guiding in Mainland China

I don't think the new {{for}} templates are useful: Hong Kong and Macao are expressly excluded from the definition of "Mainland China". There is no chance someone will arrive at this article thinking they want Hong Kong or Macao. That said, the same problem applies to the listing of Republic of China here, and so I hope to consult your opinion before removing all of them. Deryck C. 12:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Outside a very small community of geopolitical interested people, noboby knows about the subtleties of the different Chinas. the templates are helpful to everybody outside of this small group.

If you want to remove the templates, you should enclude some sentences with links in the articles lead, so that one can find the article he is looking for. As a non-native speaker of English I would never have gotten the idea why Hong Kong and Macao aren't included in this article; mainland translates in most languages as continent. --jergen (talk) 14:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

thank you!

The acknowledgement on South Sudan Scout Association was nice, thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

SCOUTS South Africa

Actually, it really is capitalised. Zaian (talk) 14:22, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I understand, but I got really problems reading the article with all these capitals. I'm no native speaker of English, but I've normally a good and fluent understanding of written texts. In this case all the capitals distracted me; I always had the feeling they marked something really important. --jergen (talk) 18:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Asociación de Guías y Scouts de Costa Rica

Hello, Have picture of certificate in 1935 accepting Costa Rica as full member, and documents indicated Association formed in 1928, before that, where only sporadic groups, not an Association. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alf1967 (talk • contribs)

Both WOSM and AGSCR state that Scouting in Costa Rica was started in 1915 [22], [23]. Your proposal to use a private owned document instead of these public availaible websites is in conflict with WP:SOURCES. --jergen (talk) 10:27, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I am a member of the National Council, and also worked in the inter American Scout Council I have a picture of the original certificate, plus other information corroborating it. Drop me an email for send you the information. We are working in fix it. Here is information regarding the history: http://siemprelistos.org/historia.php although were troops or groups created probably since 1911, as National Association was possible until 1928. In this other link are indicated the 9 regions: http://siemprelistos.org/regiones.php Alf1967 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Is there anything about "published sources" you don't understand? We don't use material unavailable to the public. --jergen (talk) 11:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

What I did is giving you links for published materials! In the WOSM indicated that 1935 we join as member, Wikipedia indicates 1925. So is http://scout.org/en/around_the_world/countries/national_scout_organisations/some_statistics In the Official Web page http://siemprelistos.org/historia.php indicates 1928 the starting of the Association, and 1935 as join the WOSM. Altough Is in Spanish:

El Cuerpo Nacional de Boy Scouts se funda en 1928, impulsado por el Prof. Carlos Madrigal Mora. Esta fecha se considera como la fundación institucional del escultismo en nuestro país.

En Estocolmo, durante la celebración de la VIII Conferencia Internacional Scout, se reconoce oficialmente al Cuerpo de Boy Scouts de Costa Rica, en el año 1935

Please check there, I am eager to upload the certificate of recognition in 1935! is hanging in one wall of our National Office, is not a private document. And other previously printed public published material.

As I indicated before I am a member of the National Council. Please drop me an email.

Please remember the fourth point of the Scout law: Friendly. Alf1967 (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Deutscher Pfadfinderbund

Would you consider translating https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutscher_Pfadfinderbund_%281911%E2%80%931933%29 into English? I think it would be very useful, thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

KPE/engl. Artikel

Hallo jergen, ich finde, Dein neu eingefügter Link im engl. KPE-Artikel deckt Deine Aussage nicht. Kannst Du mir vll. kurz erklären, wie Du von der Quelle den eingefügten Satz ableitest? (Ich hoffe, es ist ok, dass ich das hier poste. Ich finde es immer besser, Änderungen von anderen erst per Diskussion zu klären (wenigstens es zu versuchen). Vermutlich hast Du Dir ja was dabei gedacht), Grüße --SpirituFerventes (talk) 18:24, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Erstmal habe ich lediglich einen Link aktualisiert; manchmal lohnt es sich, aktuellere Seiten zu suchen. Für die inhaltliche Aussage dürfte [24] ein besserer Beleg sein, die aktuelle Satzung der KPJ belegt nur noch, dass diese in Verbindung mit der UIGSE steht bzw. diese sucht. Offensichtlich gibt/gab es auch gemeinsame Lager der Schönberger Pfadfinderinnen mit KPE-Gruppen [25] [26].

Auch in Saarbrücken wird die KPJ anscheinend von der KPE unterstützt [27]; das Verhältnis scheint aber nicht ganz klar, ein Artikel der KPJ-Gruppe für die Spur wurde wohl abgelehnt [28].

Ich sehe da noch Klärungsbedarf. --jergen (talk) 10:34, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Hallo, war ein paar Tage außer Haus, drum erst jetzt eine Antwort.

Wie lassen sich die Unklarheiten klären? Hast Du eine Idee? Ich schlage folgendes Vorgehen vor: Können wir im Schrifttum der KPE Aussagen finden, die auf eine inhaltlich-verwandte Ausrichtung von KPE und FSSPX hinweisen? Ich glaube, über ein solches Vorgehen könnten wir ggf. eine Beziehung von KPE und FSSPX (inhaltlicher Art) auf einer mehr fundierten Grundlage aufzeigen als über Kontakte von Personen. Die Hinweise, die wir aktuell haben, sind ja recht vage. Streng genommen belegen sie nur, dass es KPEler gibt (oder gab), die Kontakt zu Mitgliedern von FSSPX hatten. Z.B. was bedeutet es, dass die KPE bei der Gründung der Piuspfadinder „geholfen“ hat (wie es bei einem Link heißt)? Vll. hat irgendein KPEler einen „Input“ dazu gegeben (keine Ahnung). Hast Du Hinweise, wie die KPE als ganze dazu steht? Vermutlich wäre da genau eine Durchsicht der KPE-Texte nötig. Oder? Soweit ich sehe, schließen sich KPE und FSSPX in bestimmten Punkten (die für die FSSPX ziemlich zentral sind) diametral aus. Z.B. was die Feier der neuen Messe angeht. Oder die Position zum II. Vatikanum. Grüße, --SpirituFerventes (talk) 10:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Ich gehe mit dir davon aus, dass sich die offiziellen theologischen Positionen von KPE und FSSPX an einigen Stellen absolut widersprechen. Die KPE und ihr Dachverband UIGSE haben sich sehr klar auf die Seite des Vatikans gestellt, wenn sie auch (in Deutschland; zu anderen Ländern kann ich nichts sagen) einen sehr traditionellen Katholizismus pflegen, sowohl was die Formen als auch was die Sittenlehre angeht. Da dürfte aber auch ein Berührungspunkt zu Anhängern der FSSPX sein, die ihr religiöses Leben ähnlich gestalten.

Was ich gerne im Artikel hätte, wäre ein Hinweis auf diese Berührungspunkte, und zwar dahingehend, dass Mitglieder der KPE die FSSPX beim Aufbau ihrer Pfadfinderarbeit unterstützt haben. Ob das 2005 offiziell von der KPE-Führung sanktioniert wurde, werden wir wahrscheinlich nicht ergründen können; allerdings ist die Angabe, dass ein KPJ-Artikel für die Spur abgelehnt wurde, ein Hinweis darauf, dass KPE-Führung heute eine gewisse Distanz wünscht. Umgekehrt legt die Satzung der KPJ in § 7 B.1 [29] nahe, dass diese eine Zugehörigkeit zur UIGSE wünschen.

Letzteres überrascht mich dann doch ziemlich, da die Trennlinien in Frankreich (dass in diesen Dingen die UIGSE mE maßgeblich beeinflussen dürfte) doch wesentlich klarer gezogen sind und zwischen AGSE und dem FSSPX-Verband Scouts et Guides Godefroy de Bouillon keine Kontakte dieser Art existieren. --jergen (talk) 11:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Ich sehe folgende Schwierigkeit: Wenn der Artikel zur Frage KPE/Gründung von FSSPX-Pfadfinder eine Bemerkung enthalten soll, sollten die von dir erwähnten Einschränkungen mitangezeigt sein, nämlich: (a)Unklarheit, ob Privatinitative oder offizielle Bundeslinie, (b) absoluter Widerspruch in einigen wichtigen Punken, (c) Distanz der KPE-Führung heute, (d) strikte Trennung in Frankreich. Wenn diese Einschränkungen nicht wenigstens angedeutet werden, sondern nur gesagt wird, dass "Mitglieder der KPE die FSSPX beim Aufbau ihrer Pfadfinderarbeit unterstützt haben", dürfte beim arglosen Leser (von dem man ja ausgehen muss) ein falsches Bild entstehen. Zwar wäre der Satz ggf. an sich richtig, aber es reicht ja nicht, dass man nur darauf achtet, etwas richtiges zu sagen, wenn zu erwarten ist, dass es vom Leser so und so verstanden wird (wenn ich über eine 1kg-Packung Zucker sage, es seien da 500g Zucker drin, dann ist das ja auch 100% richtig - und doch gleichzeitig irreführend). Das ist ein wenig meine Sorge.

Der Punkt, dass die KPE in ihrer religiösen Ausrichtung einen "traditionellen Katholizismus" pflegen, ist - denke ich - im Artikel schon enthalten (z.B. in der Bemerkung zu "Catholic traditionalism". Grüße--SpirituFerventes (talk) 11:42, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hast Du einen Formulierungsvorschlag, der den verschiedenen Gesichtspunkten gerecht wird? Sonst würde ich den Satz vorerst doch nochmals rausnehmen. So wie er momentan drin steht, sagt er eigentlich zu viel. Da sind wir uns einig, oder?--SpirituFerventes (talk) 17:51, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Nimm es raus und park es bitte auf der Diskussionsseite. Ich bin momenatn mit zu vielem gleichzeitig befasst um auf gute Ideen zu kommen. --jergen (talk) 18:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Danke an SpirituFerventes für das Interesse an der Sache!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.83.172.214 (talk) 08:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Danke an xy für die Umsetzung.--SpirituFerventes (talk) 18:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you and thanks for the heads up!

I didn't know about this, thank you for getting in touch with me! I can't tackle this before the weekend, if you would like to do it earlier. What do you suggest, merging existing articles or leaving them as is and creating the new one fresh?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

@Kintetsubuffalo:. I'm not quite sure how the new organization was founded, but I've got an idea:

The new organization seems to keep the WOSM membership of RAS/N, so it must be - somehow - the same organization as RAS/N. Thus it can't be an all new org nor a new federation. I think that RAS/N was reorganized, renamed and opened for the other organizations, perhaps following the Swedish model of Scouterna (oops - no article yet). This is supported by these minutes of the council of ARNSO [30] which suggests that ARNSO continues to exist within the new org.

The new org's name is "Всероссийская Скаутская Ассоциация (ВСА)" which translates to "All(-)Russian Scout Association". Organizational members are:

• ARNSO - http://www.scoutrus.ru/
• Национальная Организация Скаутского движения России (NOSDR) - I think this is the "Russian Scout Organization" http://www.scouts-russia.ru/; members of this org are shown on the pictures
• Brotherhood of Orthodox Scouts (BPS) - http://www.sledopyt-novoros.ru/
• Федерация Следопытов России - http://городмастеровспб.рф/

There is a press release by ARNSO [31] suggesting that also ORYuR and NORS-R were invited to join the new organization.

On your question: I'd start a new article unless we get a clear picture of what did really happen. But if there is a confirmation that RAS/N was reorganized, I'd move that article. --jergen (talk) 12:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay-it's graduation season here in Japan and I have been swamped. Likely tomorrow I'll get it.

Meanwhile, you're the best man to answer User_talk:Mottengott#Do_you_take_requests.3F--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:39, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

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Following your edit to Fairy Toot I have started a discussion on the talk page as I believe the photo File:Fairy Toot.JPG is of the right site. Perhaps you could contribute?— Rod ^talk 10:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

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couple quick questions

First question-I got the new numbers for Japan, is it okay to change them on the WOSM chart, with source?

Second question-do you remember which German old emblem got deleted because the colors were wrong? There was an old photo of German Scouts in Egypt in the same article.

Hope you're well.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for yur wishes.

Concerning the membership: The WOSM list needs an update, the last available WOSM census dates from 2013-12-31 [32]; so this is okay with me.

German emblem with wrong colours: The picture you metioned is File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-12814, Kairo, Gruppe deutsche Pfadfinder.jpg, but I don't know which emblem or what article you are talking of. Sorry. --jergen (talk) 11:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Ah, that photo, you found it, thanks! Kolonialpfadfinder, the article exists in German, would you consider translating it into English?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:05, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, that's not so easy. The article de:Kolonialpfadfinder depends from some other German articles and will need some additional explaining. I'll give it a try. --jergen (talk) 09:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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Asociación de Muchachas Guías de El Salvador

I have removed the content you added to the above article, as it appears to have been copied from https://www.wagggs.org/es/our-world/western-hemisphere/member-organizations/el-salvador/, a copyright web page. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — Diannaa (talk) 21:16, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

@Diannaa: If this content is copyrighted, it is owned by Asociación de Muchachas Guías de El Salvador and not by WAGGGS who themselves quote this material. So your deletion is based on wrong premises. Furtheron, you deleted also lots of content that I can't find on said website.

Quoting Scout/Guide law and promise including an English translation is the standard routine for all articles on Scout/Guide associations. A (perhaps) insufficient marked quotation interpreted as copyright infringement is no valid reason for the deletetion of the whole article history, these measures should be applied only to the version with the respective content (which means my last two edits). --jergen (talk) 05:59, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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Deutscher Pfadfinderbund (1945)

If/when you have time, could you please create Deutscher Pfadfinderbund (1945) - could be extracted from de:Deutscher Pfadfinderbund (1945)? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:14, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:Infobox WorldScouting/testcases

Thanks, I've been going with what I see on the websites. If you have better information, please introduce it! :) --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:02, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Kintetsubuffalo:. I can only check those orgs I know, mainly from Europe. In all federations exist differing uniform schemes between the member orgs. Further, a number of associations use different colours for distinguishing age sections (up to five in France) and for Sea Scouts. --jergen (talk) 11:08, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Noticed that-Egel says NL has 6 colors. I think there's a toggle for uniforms, I will beta-test and let you know.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Kintetsubuffalo: Couldn't change the colour on Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Liechtensteins. The uniform should be dark grey. Is there somewhere a help page with the numbers? Could you please link it in Template:Infobox WorldScouting? --jergen (talk) 11:17, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't think so. I will make a help page-I've been having to toggle between shades of grey, shades of green, shades of blue, web colors etc.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:20, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jergen: List of colors (compact), which I had noted then promptly forgot about. One of those nights.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:06, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jergen: I have a request for fixes at the Graphics Lab, to the girl's hand, but there are other issues I see. If we can get them to fix that, there are some other problems we can get fixed later, maybe you can help me make a list? I think we need:

• need overseas cap, bucket hat, bush hat
• side-by-side boy and girl or different levels (Cub/Air/Sea...), beta-tested and it didn't work @Jergen: (she fixed it to now do 3--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 22:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC))
• maybe light, medium and dark flesh tones?
• I'd rather the background be transparent rather than a white box offset

... what else?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

capitals?

We have Ring Deutscher (big D) Pfadfinderinnenverbände but Ring deutscher (small d) Pfadfinderverbände. Is that right?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it is. That has some difficult historical reasons. --jergen (talk) 12:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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Hans-Peter von Kirchbach

The Japanese article links him to Scouting, in what context? Familiar with him?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Von Kirchbach was one of three chairpersons of the Verband Christlicher Pfadfinderinnen und Pfadfinder from 1988 to 1991. He is in Scouting since ca. 1955 and holds still a position on regional level, but will resign after the current term - I think in March 2017, but im not sure about the date. --jergen (talk) 11:08, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Hartmut Keyler

I can put the dates in, but you speak German whereas I have to machine translate it, feel free to add material from that source!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

...and Guiding in... categories

Morocco, Tunisia and Libya all refer to Guides, should we change those category names?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

1. There seems to be some organizational usage of "Guides" in Morocco (-->OMSG), so the category should be moved.
2. No action needs to be taken for Libya: Category:Scouting and Guiding in Libya.
3. Concerning Tunisia, the movement is only known as "Les Scouts tunisiens". There is a female section (without special name) and within this section there are Guides as an age group. I'd rather not move the category. --jergen (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Not Libya-I've lost my mind and can't remember the third one I've been seeing recently. My mistake. @:^} --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:33, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, should have been Jordan--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:03, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

For Jordan, it should be "... and Guiding ..." (Jordanian Association for Boy Scouts and Girl Guides), but we don't have a country-specific category yet. --jergen (talk) 15:53, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject_Germany/Conventions#Personal_names is not very clear-should Paul Koenig (Scouting) be König? Does Wolf Kuhnke take an umlaut?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:48, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

"Wolf Kunhke" goes without umlaut; "Paul König" should have one [33], [34], [35]. --jergen (talk) 14:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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São Tomé and Príncipe

Is São Tomé and Príncipe now a member of WOSM?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 00:32, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, since 11 May 2017 [36]. Macau is likely to follow during the World Scout Confernce [37]. --jergen (talk) 08:22, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Timor

I'm getting nibbles like "https://issuu.com/worldscouting/docs/scouting_asia-pacific_newsinfo_-_maMay 11, 2017 - World Scout Committee endorses Timor Leste's application to WOSM The World Scout Committee has endorsed the application of União ..." but nothing I can call a source. Help?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:03, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

WOSM: The Scout Association of Timor-Leste joins WOSM. Regional press: [38], [39] (both Indonesian). I got those links from UNE-TL's facebook site. --jergen (talk) 16:10, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

San Marino

We already had San Marino listed as a full member of the European Region, but the website link shows clearly AGECS being accepted. What has taken place there?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:54, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Currently, WOSM has three different membership status:

• National Scout Organization - full membership benefits, full voting rights
• Accredited National Scout Organization - full membership benefits, no voting rights
• Associated Member (only in the Asia-Pacific Scout Region: French Polynesia, Macau; formerly also in Interamerican Scout Region)

In 2014, a constitutional amendment made it much easier to change from "Accredited NSO" to "NSO". As far as I know, Monaco and San Marino took this step. [And I don't know if there are any Accredited NSOs left.]

Since WOSM doesn't publish a list distinguishing between NSO and Accredited NSO I would list both of them as full members. --jergen (talk) 07:25, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Voting for the Host of the 25th World Scout Jamboree

I haven't seen it posted yet-do you know?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

@Kintetsubuffalo: Voting was announced for today between 4 and 5 pm local time; results shortly before 5 pm local (13.00 UTC). Could be later because of problems with the electronic voting system. Livestream on facebook. --jergen (talk) 11:41, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Macau to be accepted as a full membership of WOSM-do they always do these things in fits-and-starts?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, it's only ten new members during the last triennium ;-) Five of them were promoted from associated membership or Accredited NSO to full membership, five are new. That's only a little above the average. A better support for potiential members may have helped the case. And - as WOSM aims to grow some of the countries still missing may follow soon. --jergen (talk) 14:06, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Glad to hear it-I think there are some long-missed opportunities. I think we have to be careful of changing the actual number count-did our original count include associates San Marino and Macau?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:30, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure. The official number including Macau is 168. As far as I can see, French Polynesia is the only associated member left. I don't know, if there are still any Accredited NSOs.

Results of the voting for the Jamboree will be published later today, those of the elections tonight. ---jergen (talk) 14:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

And up we go: 169 members [40]. --jergen (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Swiss Guide and Scout Movement

I've been trying to improve this with a machine translation from the French. Please have a look.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:45, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

ps-what does this sign say? File:Pfadiweg im Tobel des Wehrenbach in Zürich.jpg--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:42, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Text reads "Pfadiweg-Die internationale Pfadibewegung wurde 1907 von Lord Baden Powell im England gegründet. Sie hat das Ziel, Kinder und Jugendliche ganzheitlich zu fordern, im Einklang mit der Natur und mit Sinn für die Gemeinschaft." (The international Pathfinder (Scouting) movement was founded in 1907 by Lord Baden Powell in England. The goal is to encourage children and young people to be holistic, in harmony with nature and with a sense of community.) Is that close?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 00:30, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

new edits to WOSM

Is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement&curid=104809&diff=799698508&oldid=799697539 a real thing or a vanity edit?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:37, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Albania?

What is Albania's obstacle such that both Scout and Guide orgs lost their relationship, do you know? If you can point me to something on the new Guide org, I will write it.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:08, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't know where the problems are. Perhaps it's the continuing emigration of younger well educated people.

Some informations on the new organization are in [41]. Some pics on Facebook [42]. --jergen (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I've made a start at Girl Scouts of Albania but I can't get into pdfs from home, I will try at work.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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Is this actually a separate organization? It reads like it's an arm of ZHP.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:45, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

It's a separate regional organization, a split off from ZHP. The non-religious oath is quite a difference from most Polish organizations: SHK Zawisza admits only catholic members and ZHR requires all leaders to be Christians. Even ZHP, which is open to all, has only a religious oath. --jergen (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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I've put up File:Герб Пласту.png Emblem of Plast up for deletion at Commons-if I am incorrect, I will withdraw it.

I've replaced a single use of http://scouting.sitegist.net/en/about/scouting-in-ukraine/organisations/ on the article, but it does not support the membership he claims nor the order he is trying to force.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:56, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hi My name is Simona Pranaitis, and I saw that you took down my work for Lietuvos Skauciu Seserija. I was wondering what I can do to fix it. Thank you```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonaa emily (talk • contribs)

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1. Please use the button "new section" when starting an new thread. Adding your question under #Guinea and Malawi wasn't very helpful. I didn't find it when checking my talk page for the first time.
2. Your contributed a lot of text to Lietuvos skaučių seserija, but most of it was on other subjects. A large part was on the history of Scouting and Guiding in Lithuania, some obviously on Lietuvos Skautija or on Lithuanian Scouting in exile. Articles should focus on their subject.
3. Please try to follow Wikipedias Manual of Style. This is very important when citing sources. Even if yout text would have hit the article's subject, it would have needed a major cleanup.

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Hi there, I see you've made all the articles to do with scouting in Guyana, and that you're prodigious in the topic as well as active (pretty amazing since the pages I'm talking about were made circa 2008).

My concern is that between all the article pages and categories, it's a lot of infrastructural stuff for... well... something seriously lacking secondary sources. I'm extremely forgiving for articles concerning developing countries (seeing as their media infrastructure isn't very WP-attuned) but I also feel like the information is spread too thin to help readers who ARE interested in the topic. I'm thinking condensing Guyana Girl Guides Association, The Scout Association of Guyana, into the Scouting and Guiding in Guyana would make a stronger article about the topic, leaving redirects to serve your template boxes for the international overview of the organization(s).

Hopefully that would satisfy your topic interest, as well as my efforts to improve the quality and accessibility of Guyana articles. I'm open to other ideas or ways to improve this content, so I hope to hear back, Cheers! Estheim (talk) 18:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I'not happy about the idea to merge these three articles. I can't see how this would lead to a stronger article; The Scout Association of Guyana is so big that the Guide part would be dwarved, despite the fact that SAoG had 462 members [43] and GGAG 3,971 members [44] in 2018.

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Drmies (talk) 01:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)