User talk:JackofOz/Archive 19

Archive 15

←

Archive 17

Archive 18

Archive 19

Archive 20

Archive 21

→

Archive 25

Charles Villiers Stanford

I've given the old grouch a major overhaul. Glad if you'd look in and amend or comment ad lib. No rush whatever. Tim riley (talk) 13:36, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look tonight. Cheers, Tim. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 00:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! Many thanks, Jack. Tim riley (talk) 19:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi. When you recently edited Carl Reinecke, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page A German Requiem (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

New Year

Wishing you a good one, I followed your example of mentioning a few people who played a role in my life here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Movie Title

Ji Jack

I am trying to find a title of a drama film (possibly in black and white) about a romance relationship that was stopped by his family being Italian because it was found out that the woman had an unsavoury past. It is not Traviata or Camille it is st in moderfn times. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Regards Sincerely Dona Lay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.146.182.120 (talk) 21:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Dona. This is about the question you asked on the Wikipedia Entertainment Reference Desk yesterday. Please confine the discussion to that place, and do not approach individual editors simply to restate your question. Best thing is to go back to the Ref Desk, and respond to me there, saying that Camille is not the answer you're after. Many people read the ref desks and will see this, and this will get their brains ticking over. You've got a much better chance of getting the answer that way, than by approaching editors individually. Best. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 21:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Giulietta

Thank you! She should have an article on Women's Day, which explains that of course her mom called her Julie, - half-joking. I tried to sort facts and myths, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, a good idea to clear away the historical cobwebs of distortion and melodrama and let the damn music speak for itself. I've also added a sub-section about Die Beterin. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 09:29, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, seen, thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jack-- I've posted a couple of responses to your note, but moved yours and mine to the bottom section, Moonlighting. Milkunderwood (talk) 17:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I've added more in response. Thanks. Milkunderwood (talk) 19:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Giulietta has an article, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda, When you alert me to some article, can you please provide a link to it. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 23:24, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes (but she is linked from the Sonata quasi una fantasia, as I thought you know) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi. In your recent article edits, you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

Ilona Kabos (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added links pointing to Saturday Review and Diana Gould

Ben-Hur (1959 film) (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added a link pointing to Sam Jaffe

Erna Sack (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added a link pointing to Sly

George Macleay (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added a link pointing to Camden

Order of Merit (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added a link pointing to Broadcaster

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Krishnamurti

Hi Jack. Thank you for your comment on my talk page. I simply searched Wikiquote for "no path" hoping for something rather more Zen-like, but the Krishnamurti quote seemed to fit. Glad you liked it. All the best.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Melbourne Meetup

Hi there. Just inviting you to the Melbourne meetup this Sunday at 11am, to celebrate our 11th anniversary. Details on that page. Hope to see you there! SteveBot (talk) 02:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC) (on behalf of Steven Zhang)

op 27/2

Learning: the much discussed sonata is known among German musicians as op 27/2, is that "Op. 27, No. 2" in Wikipedian? If there is a redirect Op. 27, No. 2, shouldn't that be bold? There is also Chopin's. Do you happen to know if Chopin created the Nocturne intentionally with the same number? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi. When you recently edited Neville Dilkes, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages John Field and Nalliers (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

"Va Pensiero" by The Met

Just sublime. Almost turns this chamber music only bloke into an Opera fan. xxx --Shirt58 (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

(butting in...) I've watched that particular clip countless times. It's one of my favourite things on Youtube. I'm not sure about this but I think that's the only time the Met ever encored a chorus; they have a general policy of no encores. Antandrus (talk) 15:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

What a great start to my day. Thanks, boys. If I happen to come across any Hebrew slaves today, I'll be sure and tell 'em what clip to watch.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 18:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested

The Mediation Committee has received a request for formal mediation of the dispute relating to "Liam Neeson". As an editor concerned in this dispute, you are invited to participate in the mediation. Mediation is a voluntary process which resolves a dispute over article content by facilitation, consensus-building, and compromise among the involved editors. After reviewing the request page, the formal mediation policy, and the guide to formal mediation, please indicate in the "party agreement" section whether you agree to participate. Because requests must be responded to by the Mediation Committee within seven days, please respond to the request by 24 January 2012.

Discussion relating to the mediation request is welcome at the case talk page. Thank you.
Message delivered by MediationBot (talk) on behalf of the Mediation Committee. 13:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for mediation rejected

The request for formal mediation concerning Liam Neeson, to which you were listed as a party, has been declined. To read an explanation by the Mediation Committee for the rejection of this request, see the mediation request page, which will be deleted by an administrator after a reasonable time. Please direct questions relating to this request to the Chairman of the Committee, or to the mailing list. For more information on forms of dispute resolution, other than formal mediation, that are available, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.

For the Mediation Committee, WGFinley (talk) 17:28, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
(Delivered by MediationBot, on behalf of the Mediation Committee.)

Mathematics and Music

If you haven't already seen '''http://tinyurl.com/77k4mea''', I thought you might be interested. I was, and have no competence in either field. I wonder how hard the piece would be to learn by rote. (I couldn't make a blue link because the "tinyurl" site is blacklisted, probably for copyright reasons.) Regards, Bielle (talk) 01:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Weird. When I first got your message, I was getting ready for work and only had a moment to check what the website was. It looked interesting enough to come back to when I had more time, like now (evening). But now, I can't access that website at all. I keep on being told there's no such site. I'm using a different computer with different security protocols, but that shouldn't make any diff.

Ah well, maybe I'll just go and watch Hewitt thrash Djokovic, and try again later. Thanks anyway, Bielle. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 09:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Apparently I was using the Down Under definition of "thrash" - [1].  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 00:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi. In your recent article edits, you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

List of composers depicted on film (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added links pointing to Albano, Wilfrid Lawson, Alan Curtis, Boris Smirnov, Sean Barrett and David Leonard

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Constantin Silvestri

I stumbled accidentally on a query made in 2008 regarding Constantin Silvestri's date of birth. Specifically, although his official birthdate was recorded as May 13, 1913 a note found in a publication indicated that that the date as May 31, 1913, presumably Gregorian.

This cannot be true. The difference between the cited dates is 18 days. Both my parents were born in that period (1906 and 1909 respectively) and their birth dates were October 2/October 15; and February 5/February 18. The difference for the dates at the time of the change was 13 days; the few more years until 1913 could not have added 5 days.

68.82.100.88 (talk) 00:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)Bimbi

Hi there. I fear you've misread my query. The usual date shown is 13 May 1913, but without specifying whether it's a Julian or Gregorian date. But my source says his true date of birth was not 13 May but 31 May 1913 (Julian), which equates to 13 June 1913 (Gregorian). -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 10:05, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hello mate! I hope you like cats. I am quite sure that people would've continued whining for months without explaining anything if you hadn't given your explanation. Thanks for your help.

Von Restorff (talk) 06:48, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, it just seemed kind of obvious to me. I probably wouldn't have said anything, since your English skills seemed pretty damn good to me. Until I read that box on your user page.

I've heard other-language speakers use "of course" in places where it seems natural to them, but would be considered rude in English. Where you suspect something is the case, and you ask for confirmation, then "of course" as part of the reply might be appropriate. For example: you believe your work colleague has a Hungarian background but you're not 100% certain of that. You ask them "Are you Hungarian?". They're likely to say "Of course", meaning "I've never made any secret of it".

But where it's not reasonable for you to be expected to know one way or another about something, then "of course" is very much out of place. For example: you want to know who the 13th President of Italy was, and you ask someone. If their response is "Vittorio Vercotti, of course", you're likely to get indignant, because it sounds like "Any fool knows that".

So apply that idea to the question we're talking about, "Is the mustard seed the smallest seed in the world?". They presumably have no way of knowing whether it's the smallest or not, which is why they've come here to find out. Saying "Of course not" is like saying "Any fool knows it's not. How could you possibly not know that?", and if I had got that answer, I'd have been mightily offended. I hope that explains it.

However, that was just the tip of the iceberg. All the other shit that happened both on the ref desk and more particularly on the talk page, most of which had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the question per se, doesn't bear repeating. If you want my advice for handling questions that you suspect are being asked for reasons other than simply wanting to know the answer, it's this: Play a straight bat (to use a cricketing analogy). Treat the question absolutely literally, in this case solely as a botanical question. Do not engage them in stuff they haven't raised (the Bible, religion, whatever else you suspect, but can never know, is going on behind the scenes). Because, IF they're asking a seemingly innocuous question as a way of getting a reaction, and we deny them the satisfaction, they're likely to get bored quickly and go away.

But if you actually like drama, conflict and endless argy-bargy (and believe me, lots of people really get off on that stuff), then feel free to ignore me. But also feel free to pursue your passion elsewhere. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 23:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I've noticed that there are plenty of people here who are kind of addicted to drama, and repeatedly asking them to drop their sticks seemed useless unfortunately. In my native language using the direct translation of "of course" in this context is completely innocent and totally not offensive. You know, the funny part is that I was thinking about spermatozoa, which can euphemistically be described as (human) seed. They are pretty small; their head is 5 µm x 3 µm and their tail is 41 µm long... Von Restorff (talk) 00:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Defaultsort

Hi Jack. I've undone this edit that you made because apparently WP:NAMESORT recently changed in regard to Mc's and Mac's. WP:MCSTJR now reads "Surnames beginning with Mac or Mc are sorted as they are spelled. Douglas MacArthur is sorted {{DEFAULTSORT:MacArthur, Douglas}} and Malcolm McDowell is sorted {{DEFAULTSORT:McDowell, Malcolm}}." Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 02:40, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Wow, the things you read. When I come to power, all Mcs and Macs will be sorted as Mac, that's a promise. Until then, we'll just have to go with the consensus, I suppose. Thanks for the alert. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 04:02, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Charles Ives

The New Yorker's February 6th issue has an interesting article, "The Flight of the Concord", by Jeremy Denk on playing Ives's music. The imagery is telling even to a non-player like me. The article requires payment, of course, but if the abstract appeals to you, and your local library can't assist, I can send you a photocopy. Bielle (talk) 17:16, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

That sounds fascinating, Bielle. I will check it out at the library. Ives is one composer whose music I've never played a note of, so it'll be interesting reading about the experience from that untainted perspective. Thanks for the alert. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 18:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Meck vs. von Meck

Jack, thanks for the well-intended attention re. Madame von Meck in Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky but when her last name is used alone, the "von" is dropped as it is a title, not part of the name. The best example of this rule of usage is Herbert von Karajan. Whenever his last name is used by itself, you generally read or hear "Karajan," not "von Karajan" or "Von Karajan." Thanks for understanding. Jonyungk (talk) 13:22, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. What you say applies to Germans and Austrians. But Nadia was a Russian who married a man with a German name. In her own article, it's "von Meck", never just "Meck". -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 14:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, Jack. German name--the rule still applies. If you still disagree, please take it to the Tchaikovsky talk page so that others can discuss it as well. Jonyungk (talk) 23:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

The great and good JNM

I'm so pleased you've put up an article on this important musical scholar. He's been on my To-Do/Guilt List for ages, and I'm glad you've got in first or the world might have had to wait for heaven knows how long. Another feather in the JackofOz cap. Tim riley (talk) 21:08, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Why, how kind of you, Tim. I must say I know next to nothing about him personally, and I've only put in whatever I could glean from google, which isn't all that much. For the longest time I even assumed, not unreasonably, that he was British born and bred. Not so, as it turns out.

One thing I'm still assuming, though, is that he uses his full name Jerrold Northrop Moore so as not to be confused with Gerald Moore. Can you comment on this? Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 22:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I assume it too, but I haven't, as far as I can remember, seen anything in print that confirms the assumption. Tim riley (talk) 18:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi. When you recently edited Jerrold Northrop Moore, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Gramophone (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:41, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Grand Duo Updating

Hi. I'm currently floundering my way through an update of the Schubert Grand Duo article. As usual I'm running short of reliable sources. The main problem is that section on the Orchestrations. I think that needs to be re-written and made separate from the analysis. I've removed some badly written text from the article and added citations where I can provide them.Graham1973 (talk) 13:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Hausmann

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Precious

	musical company
	Thank you for adding a German cellist to the countless enjoyable biographies and Chopin's Polish song, first heard when I was young. Enjoy the company on the German Portal's DYK! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure, Gerda. Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 18:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for working on Elizabeth Connell! I would like to see her on DYK, but can't tell who contributed how much, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I saw Connell once, as Kostelnička in Jenůfa. How powerful! I was amazed, when I read she'd died, to find she was still a red link. I would have started it myself but time was lacking.

Still so many articles to write - don't let anyone ever tell you Wikipedia is almost done. Hah! We haven't even scratched the surface. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 19:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I linked her a few times. Should I nominate? Who are the authors? She had almost 2k hits already! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Normally the originator gets the credit, but he/she is still a redlink, so I dunno how that works on DYK. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 20:23, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

It can be shared by many! Even in retrospect - I had an article where a friend contributed a lot a few minutes after it appeared on the Main page, and was told how to give credit. - But first we should solve that the text is still more or less what the obituary says. (So the "originator" doesn't deserve too much, it would work otherwise.) Will you? I welcome the red link, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi. When you recently edited Robert Hausmann, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Brunswick (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Clarinettists

What ho! I've given the Reginald Kell and (more so) Jack Brymer articles a going-over. If you have time and inclination to look in it will, as always, be esteemed a favour. Tim riley (talk) 20:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

February Melbourne Meetup

Hi All. Just letting you know that we have another meetup planned for Melbourne, on Sunday, 26th February at 11am. More details can be found at the meetup page. Pizza will be provided. Look forward to seeing all of you there :-) SteveBot (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

"At Me"

In the recent reference desk question where I made a mistake about "at me", why did you call me "kid"? I'm a bit insulted by that. Interchangeable|talk to me 21:11, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Jack the cinephile was quoting number 5 of the most memorable movie quotes of all times. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean to offend you. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Certainly not. Elsa Lund (Ingrid Bergman) was no child either, but she took it in good part.

I was originally going to quote "Are you looking at me?", but its origin was a little too obscure for a link, plus it seemed too obvious. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 22:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

John Millett (poet)

I just wanted to thank for your improvement on this aforementioned article. Many of you Wikipedians are so proficient. What makes your contributions for commendable because of dedicated volunteerism. Pjt48 (talk) 20:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome. I didn't really understand your last sentence, but it seems to be a compliment, so thank you. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 20:10, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Tchaikovsky and Sexuality

There's a discussion on this subject on Talk:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky following a request for me to remove material from the Sexuality section of the article. As whether to leave this material out of the article or reinstate it is something that should be decided upon by more than two people, the more voices that are heard on this, pro or con, the better. Please consider joining in. Your input would be appreciated tremendously. Thanks! Jonyungk (talk) 20:59, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi. When you recently edited John Millett (poet), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page ABC Radio (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:29, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Georg Solti discography

What ho! If you have a moment, pray run an eye over this new article to which I have given birth after a protracted labour. I shall add blue links when I feel up to a second grapple with this huge list, but meanwhile, any general thoughts, or Jackish tweaks will be most welcome. All this, I may say, is a mere clearing of the decks before giving the main Georg Solti article a comprehensive going over. Tim riley (talk) 21:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Don Chipp

Hi. Well spotted! I didn't recall Chipp having been Leader of the House but it's there in his parl biog all right. Incidentally, he used to say he'd been a minister ten times, but this record accords him only seven, plus the two House leadership appointments. Customary rhetoric I guess, eh? Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 00:33, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but kudos should really go to User:Ianblair23 for dredging up the list of Leaders and adding it Leader of the House (Australia). All I did was create a category and populate it with the names Ian provided. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 00:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi. When you recently edited Visions fugitives, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Dissonance (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:58, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't look now...

...I'm being followed. My watchlist has just lit up like a firework display: Melba, Stanford, Bliss, Wood, Elgar, Harty, Sullivan et al. Sterling work on the cats! I think it's pushing it a bit to call Wood a composer. The occasional arrangement isn't quite the same, I'd say, but I don't press the point. I also boggle a bit at including Dames like Melba in the category Singers who have received knighthoods, but I shan't stick my oar in further. Regards as always. Tim riley (talk) 11:50, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Tim. Wood (Henry J) is in Category:Conductors (music) awarded knighthoods, not Category:Composers awarded knighthoods.

All the other Category:Knights by occupation sub-categories lump knights and dames together under "knighthoods". It's a commonly used generic. Cheers and thanks for your support. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 12:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry about Henry J. It's the brain catching up too slowly with the eyes. Press on, sir, and ignore me. Tim riley (talk) 12:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Georg Solti was among your recent batch of categorees (to coin a phrase) but in your flying visit you may not have noticed that I've substantially overhauled his article. If you have time and inclination I'd value your critical eye on the new version. Tim riley (talk) 13:03, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Article restructuring at the Beatles

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 23:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Siegfried Rapp

Hello! Your submission of Siegfried Rapp at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 13:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello! I didn't submit it, and I didn't even know it had been submitted by anyone else. Thanks anyway. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 19:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I did it again, never mind, wanted him known. He will be - or not. Thanks for adding to Nystedt, we are working on his "Immortal Bach" for 5 * SATB. And now for Mawby also, who wrote a Mass for us, to be premiered 3 October, see my user (pictured), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Musical knights

Why not have Category:Organists awarded knighthoods? I can see Thalben-Ball, David Willcocks and Gillian Weir as well as Stainer just at a glance; we could have pianists too and any others where there are more than a few (so I don't immediately see a need for Category:Sitar players awarded knighthoods for Ravi Shankar!) It would make the musicians category less crowded too. Thoughts? Bencherlite^Talk 20:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely. I did the first few, and assumed others like yourself would come along and build on it. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 20:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 7

Hi. In your recent article edits, you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

Alliteration (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added links pointing to CSN, Robert Robinson, Twilight Time and Jeff Lindsay

David Oistrakh (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added a link pointing to Violinist

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Siegfried Rapp

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 14

Hi. When you recently edited 1999 New Year Honours, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Andrew Davis (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Mittagong, New South Wales

History, just above the new link for Fitzroy. for a multi billion dollar company, there is no google reference to Dane and Andrew. ideas ? Dave Rave (talk) 04:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

It's vandalism,, there since 19 March 2008 (!) - [2]. I've removed it -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 05:09, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Pierre Monteux

I'm in the middle of overhauling the article. Any contributions will be gratefully received.

I've hived the discography off to its own article, and I am under no illusions how much more work it needs, so for now I'd avoid that one if I were you. I shall get it up to the standard of the Georg Solti discography after the main Monteux article is put to bed. Meanwhile, any Jack thoughts, amendments or additions on the main article would be welcome. Tim riley (talk) 20:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Tim. I've had a quick look and made a few tweaks. I'll come back to it later. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 20:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Death in music

I'm curious about your addition of Category:Death in music to so many operas, seemingly on the basis the central character dies. But apart from Dead Man Walking, none of them have as their main subject or theme "death" itself. Mostly it is the result of lust for power, jealousy, devotion to duty, unrequited love, betrayal etc., which are the central themes. If you include every opera where a central character dies and/or kills someone, it's going to be huge category and kind of meaningless. Voceditenore (talk) 06:37, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that very valuable feedback, Signor Voce. I had my own misgivings, and of course I too realised that vast numbers of operas involve the death of an important character - so if not all of them qualify, where to draw the line? Best to restrict it to what you say. I'd still include The Death of Klinghoffer, though. Wouldn't you? -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 08:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I'm Signora Voceditenore and I can't sing to save my soul. :) I'm not sure whether having the word "death" (or a synonym) in the title makes a difference, and can also lead to a slippery slope, but at least it's a little more defining. I'd consider The Death of Klinghoffer a borderline case which highlights the problem. I would say that the central theme of the opera is not death per se, but rather the mutual misunderstanding and tensions between Jews and Palestinians and a meditation on humanity, suffering, and terrorism. The same could be said for Death in Venice (ilicit passion leading to ruin and a tension between the Apollonian and Dionysian, all of which culminates in a death, but isn't really about death itself), and even Dead Man Walking, which is more about vengeance and redemption than death. On the other hand, The Dream of Gerontius is basically a meditation on death and the afterlife despite the word not appearing in the title, while I suspect that Ode to the Death of Jazz has nothing whatsoever to do with death and everything to do with the tension between avant-garde and popular music. If a category invites these kinds of subjective judgements, it probably isn't going to work too well. Also, how does Category:Death music fit into this one? Voceditenore (talk) 11:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

A thousand pardons, dear lady. All this time I’ve believed you were merely a male. But I can hardly be blamed, really, since women tend not to associate themselves with the voices of tenors. There are male sopranos, but I’ve never heard of a female tenor.

Category:Death music seems to cover music that’s typically performed at funerals etc, or music that’s written to commemorate someone who’s died.

Category:Death in music, on the other hand, is a counterpart to Category:Death in art, which is a sub-cat of Category:Cultural aspects of death. Category:Songs about death was sitting inside Category:Death in art, which didn’t seem very apt to me. Sure, “art” can be considered broadly to include music, but typically it’s more about the visual arts. So, a new cat was called for, which would also include all those classical compositions that have some relationship with death, but not necessarily commemorating any particular person, or even anyone at all. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 05:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

(stalking) You never heard of a female tenor? Half of the tenor section in our choir are female, and they sing on pitch. (I hope the male ones don't read that.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

[Furiously bites tongue to suppress commenting on the stereotypical Brunnhilde-like qualities of German women ...]  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 07:18, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I was not talking in general, just about the four women and five men who form our tenor section. They have to be divided in three parts for the upcoming Agnus Dei (Barber). If I was a soprano I would prefer Sieglinde to Brünnhilde :) - Todesverkündigung fits the death in music cat, imo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Melbourne meetup

Hey all, just a reminder that there's a meetup tomorrow at 11am in North Melbourne. There are more details at the meetup page. Hope to see you tomorrow! SteveBot (talk) 04:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

2012 State Election

It was just announced on the News, live.Nford24 (Talk) 21:01, 24 March 2012 (AEST)

What was? And how come your date stamp shows as 24 January? -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 11:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

The day of the appointment and my bad. Nford24 (Talk) 22:29, 24 March 2012 (AEST)

You do know that you don't have to insert the date yourself, don't you? Or even your name? All you do at the end of your post is type 4 tildes (~) and the system automatically inserts links to your user name and your talk page, and the date and time. Easy.

So, by "the day of the appointment", you're referring to the swearing in of Campbell Newman and his cabinet at Government House? I'd really like to see a readable link, because Monday sounds way too early, going on previous changes of government. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 18:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Here's a link to two Courier Mail article's [3] and 2. Regards Nathanael Ford 02:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Deleted post

There is a discussion which concerns you at Wikipedia talk:Reference desk#Deleted Birther soapboxing. SpinningSpark 19:35, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Fauré

Good to see you in Fauréan territory just now. World War Three has broken out at Talk:Piano music of Gabriel Fauré. If you feel disposed to look in make sure to wear your tin helmet. Tim riley (talk) 19:21, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Hi, Jack. As a courtesy, I'm notifying you that I collapsed part of the discussion here including your comment. Enough said, I think. Rivertorch (talk) 20:06, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Just shows that even I have to let off a little steam occasionally. Also, it's April Fools Day here, if that makes any difference. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 20:18, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

That actually did occur to me! I had been considering trying to do something "clever" in honor of the date (which hasn't arrived yet at my longitude), but considering the brouhaha a year ago over the main page I'm a bit hesitant. Rivertorch (talk) 20:39, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

No, leave it. It actually wasn't an April Fools prank at all. That was just my lame attempt at an excuse for naughtiness. But I just can't help it - that man gets up my nose. I used to like him in Fry and Laurie, but Wilde was a travesty and that turned me off him. Just because Oscar's your personal hero (so what, he's mine too) and just because you look very vaguely like him, does not make you fit to play him. And Fry didn't play him, he played himself. Absolute Power was delicious, though, I must admit. I've watched QI half a dozen times and I've tried to like it, I really have, because I like quiz programs generally and I like adding to my paltry storehouse of knowledge. But I always come away having missed half or more of the in-jokes, and with the strong feeling that he's just there to impress us all with his knowledge and his ready wit. Those things have their place, but not when "How knowledgeable and witty I am" become the thing itself. His fawning admirers and acolytes will probably tar and feather me at their first opportunity for having the outrageous temerity to say these things about someone who to them is, if not a god, surely at least an apprentice god - but I don't care. I'll take what's coming to me. Like a man.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 21:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. I don't watch enough TV anymore to have an opinion on his recent stuff, and I haven't seen Wilde yet. I liked Fry and Laurie and Jeeves and Wooster a lot, though. If he had never appeared in anything but those two programs, I'd still be a fan. Still waiting to see Kingdom—strangely, only the second and third series are available on DVD in North America, and I want to start with episode one. Rivertorch (talk) 04:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)