User talk:Ioanna624

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But... please can you create your sortable list in a sandbox in your own userspace rather than in a 'live' article. Wikipedia is a work in progress, but not quite so publicly! — Trey Maturin™ 16:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Dear Trey,

It looks as if my work has been deleted. Is that true?

The table is directly related to this article, which is used by thousands of organists worldwide, and can no longer be seen as belonging to any particular creator/collaborator. Even so, this table seeks only to sort the information that already exists in this "list".

Can you clarify and advise?

Thanks,

Diane Ioanna624 (talk) 16:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Diane! Sort of – it was hidden in the page history. I've taken it out of the page history and put it in your sandbox, here. You can play around with formatting, get your edits right, then copy and paste the code back into the original page when you're finished: best of both worlds! You get to create a useful resource, and your readers don't have to see text about it being a work in progress which only causes confusion and random visitors to the website to delete it.

Hope this helps! — Trey Maturin™ 17:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Dear Trey,

I appreciate what you are saying, but this work is not going to be done by me — I am only setting this up. It will be worked on by multiple collaborators, and will take hundreds and hundreds of hours.

Is there truly a reason why this cannot be a public work-in-progress? It's at least at the very bottom of the page!

Thanks,

Diane Ioanna624 (talk) 17:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, but that's simply not how we do things and is never how we've done it... because it doesn't work. Instead, the "PLEASE EDIT THIS" messages stay there for years (I'm not joking: I do really mean years) as people don't respond to them. Indeed, the result is often less edits to the page in question, as casual readers are put off from editing by the exhortations.

A solution might be to break this up into smaller blocks. Start with one of the subheadings – say, Argentina as it only has one entry – and convert that to your preferred sortable format.

Then, as time allows, move down the list converting the other sections one at a time. This encourages others to do the same, as it appears to random editors to be a quick and helpful thing they can do (and new uers can see your code and copy it).

Once the job is complete, you can merge everything into one list (although I'd still advise breaking it into smaller chunks, perhaps by continent or period, as that is really helpful to readers) without disrupting things in the meantime. What do you think? — Trey Maturin™ 17:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Fair, fair.

I'll start with Argentina.  :) Ioanna624 (talk) 17:19, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I seem to have placed the Argentina table at the bottom of the article. Can you help?

Thanks Ioanna624 (talk) 17:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Gah, a table bug! They're always a nightmare (when tables work here, they work brilliantly; when they fail, they fail horribly and wreck pages). How does this edit look to you? — Trey Maturin™ 17:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

(There's a Help page for sortable tables at Help:Sortable tables but my brain isn't wired to work in the way the people who write our Help pages work – no offence to them. Perhaps you're smarter than me and that page would help as your new table gets more complex?) — Trey Maturin™ 17:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey, is there a place I can leave a message for other people who are editing? Something along the lines of:

"Thank you for contributing to the effort to convert these listings to sortable tables. Please publish a few edits at a time, and refresh your page often so that multiple users will not be duplicating efforts." Ioanna624 (talk) 18:46, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes! Every user has a talk page of their own. Go into the page’s history and you’ll see who’s editing it in a list. There’s a link to their talk page there.

Alternatively, you can put a message on the article’s talk page, although nobody gets a notification that it’s there.

If you find you’re frequently getting notices about edit conflicts (note: unrelated to editors arguing, which is called “edit warring”) you can put {{In use}} at the top of the page while you’re working as a polite warning. Always remove it when you’ve finished for any length of time, and try not to leave it there for more than a few hours at a time for fairness’s sake. — Trey Maturin™ 09:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Love it! Thank you so much, Trey!!

I'm no wiser than you about a lot of code — in fact I grabbed the initial code from the Bach Cantatas wiki page. But now I'll use yours. This is going to be ENORMOUSLY helpful to so many students, performers, and music lovers.

Btw, my creds are at: dianemeredithbelchermusic.com if that makes you feel better.  :) Ioanna624 (talk) 18:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your idea about smaller chunks even at the end of the project — as a musicologist I disagree. Countries and regions overlap throughout history (Flanders, for exmaple is used for Renaissance music as a region). Eras do not have hard boundaries either: Frescobaldi is sometimes termed late Renaissance, and sometimes early Baroque. What's most helpful to musicians is to be able to sort this all themselves, primarily by birth year. This is in fact the very reason I am doing all of this — because no master list exists of organ composers listed chronologically. It is VERY much needed. Ioanna624 (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

PS That's exactly why one of the searchable terms is going to be Country/Region! Ioanna624 (talk) 18:36, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Here's what I'm after in the end:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ioanna624

thanks again — you've been a great help! Ioanna624 (talk) 18:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Organ Composers

Hello, Ioanna624. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Organ Composers".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 14:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)