User talk:Invertzoo/Archive 16

ARCHIVE PAGE 16: April 2009

I'll be back

Just a quick note to say I have had a crazy-busy spell over here and have not too much Wiki-time lately. I haven't run away from the gastroproject. I'll be back. Many thanks and many regards. (Riddle: How do you make all the animals fall out?) --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm back with much more time on my hands than before. Thanks for the barnstar! That makes two. I hear that makes me entitled to show up at Jimbo's house any time and go through his fridge.

The Bouchet & Rocroi page looks completely different. I need some time to make sense of the changes. From what I understand, gastropods are now a subclade of the palm tree.

You didn't sound in a panic over the description section of the articles I created. I will use the primer you (very kindly) wrote on describing the slugs and leisurely fix them up, if that's okay.

I hope the Great Gastro Fiasco (copyvio) matter is now okay. Please let me know if I can be of further help in any gastro-capacity.

I Read your user page. Love Thurber's toons. Lived in St. Kitts for a year. Small world. Snorkeled 4 hours a day. Never saw a single slug. Maybe they were out. As Spike Milligan wrote: Libster lobster labster lee, living in the deep blue sea. Libster lobster where are you? Gone to lunch, be back at two. Many thanks. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Powell copy problems

The entirety of the passage for Caecum occurs verbatim on page 128 of Powell. Keep trucking on!--Geronimo20 (talk) 23:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Likewise, the passage from Cylichna, verbatim on page 271. Don't hesitate to ask about specific passages. I looked at some gastropod articles with a view to assessing them myself, but I simply don't know enough (anything really) about gastropods for that to be appropriate. --Geronimo20 (talk) 21:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Well yes, Powelliphanta "Augustus" was one of the articles I looked at when I was deciding whether I could reasonably assess the gastropod articles. I could find nothing in Powell at all to back up what was in the article, which is one of the reasons I decided not to attempt assessments. I have noticed in several fish articles that GB has included information from another source which he did not cite, but which could be tracked down online.

Powell lists Keyhole limpets under Fissurellidae, and then discusses them over five dense pages. The passages you cite do not appear to have been lifted from these pages. Nor are they in the entry for Patelloida. Powell has nothing indexed under limpet or keyhole limpet. So the passages may have been lifted from elsewhere or maybe not. Anyway, I think any Powellesque paragraphs in the gastropod articles probably need paraphrasing, something I'm not equipped to do. --Geronimo20 (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Geronimo for checking as best as you can, I appreciate it. I will let the Keyhole limpet article stand as it is, I checked a couple phrases in it with a google search and couldn't find an on-line source for them.

The P. "Augustus" article is clearly based on some other sources, but not on Powell. I will try to check and see if there is anything on-line that corresponds to some of the phrases in it.

Yes, really it is true that paragraphs from Powell will need re-writing, but for the time being I am just omitting them. The articles I am currently working on were never tagged as copyvio until just now as I work on them, so the important thing is to just get rid of the copyvio passages. Shell descriptions can be carefully put together by gastropod people at our leisure over time once this first intense mopping-up period is over. Sigh. Good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 00:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yup, page 224 verbatim. Powell's index may be somewhat incomplete. He has nothing listed in his index under Cancellariidae, though he has in fact a three page section devoted to it. I found it by looking up one of its genera. --Geronimo20 (talk) 19:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Again, there is nothing in the index under Trimusculidae, nor under the clade Eupulmonata which GB mentions. However Gadinalea is discussed on pages 291–292 under the "Superfamily Siphonariacea", where Powell states: "The siphonal grove is directed forward on the right but is much less conspicuous than in the Siphonariidae". This is adequately paraphrased by GB and the remaining text in the article was not sourced from Powell. --Geronimo20 (talk) 19:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The following passages are taken, essentially verbatim, from page 168:

• The anterior and posterior canals are well developed. The varices are often in two continuous series, one down each side of the shell. A periostracum is usually absent."

• "The radula is distinctive, the central tooth being saddle-shaped, with long basal limbs, each bearing a cusp-like spur upon its face."

• "The shells are moderate to very large, often very thick and solid. The operculum is thick and horny, and the nucleus varies from mediolateral to terminal."

while this passage has been mildly summarised and paraphrased, but retains the same order, terminology and phrasing

• "The shell is large with long, pointed peripheral tubercles, and a dilated outer lip. The apertural callus is pinkish, with a rim of bright orange-red just within the aperture." --Geronimo20 (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

This book need to go back to the library. Have you anything pending that can be looked at over the next few hours? Do you want me to see if I can get the book issued again? --Geronimo20 (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll get it out again later. --Geronimo20 (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The Cs

When doing C1 and C2, and encountering an article with only a 'generic' single sentence lead, I did not tag it. I presume that is okay.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Juliidae

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Terrific (LOL) bivalved gastropod (Julia borbonica, Juliidae) shells according to your wish. Will we make terrific article and terrific DYK, please? --Snek01 (talk) 12:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I have written Julliidae at User talk:Snek01#Juliidae. I will put it on Julliidae allready. OK? --Snek01 (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Sea rabbits?

I think you might be able to better answer the question by an anonymous editor at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fishes#Sea Rabbit? image than the regular editors of WikiProject Fishes :) Couple nice photos there. – Sadalmelik ☎ 16:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Rissoid

Hi, Invertzoo! The measurements of the "Rissoid" are 0.8 cm x 2 cm. Have a good time!--79.211.232.212 (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sphincterochila boissieri

Hello, I wrote the article Sphincterochila boissieri that you suggested. Have a nice reading and have a nice vacation. --Snek01 (talk) 09:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

losing interest

Dear Invertzoo,

I'm losing interest in being a Wikipedia editor. As warned, I knew about hostile ignorant people editing what I have written. Too much has been deleted when what I've stated is correct. Too many good photos are wiped out.

I'd hoped to write more about Australian rainforest trees but now I'm not so sure. Let other ignorant people with a personal bias write them instead.

Last week I did a botanic survey of a great Australian rainforest. I've been asked NOT to write about this particular rainforest as it is of such fragile state. So, I acquiesced and will not make this glorious place more well known. It is a good idea, as this jungle needs less people visiting. But then again, I wonder if repressing knowledge is a good idea.

Have a good holiday. Are you visiting Nevis or nearby islands? Once I saw a TV show with archaeologists digging up ruins of that island. It looks a pretty place.

Kind wishes Peter xxx ````