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Ivermectin Article

You reverted my edit to the Ivermectin article which provided three references on the ability of Ivermectin to bind to the COVID-19 spike protein, indicating that it may be useful for treatment of the disease. Clinical trials are ongoing, and it is certainly not yet approved by the various agencies, but I think this information is useful. I think peer-reviewed articles from respectable journals do not qualify as "unreliable/misinformation". Here are the articles: [removed] Please let me know if this changes your opinion. PAR (talk) 17:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

@PAR: - no, I didn't. Per this diff, you'll notice that Alexbrn is the editor who reverted you - not me. Your edits were reverted to the last version of the page before they were published, which was my edit; I have nothing to do with this, and I did not revert you. (Nor do I have any time to listen to horse dewormer misinformation.) Please go and take your complaints elsewhere. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

LOL - Ok, Ok. But horse dewormer? PAR (talk) 20:30, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, Ok, I get it, Ivermectin. Sorry to bother you. PAR (talk) 20:31, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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Editing Japanese New Zealanders

Hi there! I'm ADWC312, and I'm currently editing the page Japanese New Zealanders as part of a Wikipedia based university course. I've noticed that you specialise in editing pages focused on Japan, and I am wondering if you'd have any time to check over the Japanese New Zealanders wiki page and edit it. As an extremely new Wikipedian, I'd like to make sure the edits and information I have put in are in line with Wikipedia's guidelines. I'd very much so appreciate any guidance you can offer! Thank you. ADWC312 (talk) 03:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@ADWC312: - sure, I'd love to have a look over! Most of the work I do these days is accessibility formatting; the inclusion of a number of little templates that make articles accessible for readers who use screenreaders and the like. I can remember only running into these by chance as a new Wikipedian myself, so I'll see what I can do!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ineffablebookkeeper: Thank you very much! I have had no experience with those myself and greatly appreciate your help. ADWC312 (talk) 00:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

@ADWC312: - not a problem! They're easy enough templates to use once you get the hang of them. {{pb}} allows for the appearance of a line break (<br/>) without the accessibility problems of one; {{ubl}} and {{plainlist}} will create unbulleted lists, which is useful for infoboxes where a number of items, like children or spouses, are listed; {{as of}} isn't an accessibility template, but it adds articles to a category that flags up statements that may need to be updated in the future; and {{transl}} and {{lang}} ensure that foreign-language text is both italicised correctly and also pronounced correctly for screenreaders. (Note that neither language template is necessary for the names of places or people, as these aren't italicised.)

There are a bunch of other templates as well - as stated in {{cleanup lang}}, Wikipedia has a whole category of templates specific to a number of languages, like {{lang-zh}} - but none of them, I've found, are particularly complex to use. Keep up the good work, and happy editing!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks and an FYI

Hi -- thanks for adding the BrEng tag here, but FYI I did revert the part of your edit that changed the sentence spacing. I'd set it to two spaces, which is a fairly common preference among Wikipedia editors, and I don't think it's something that should be changed without discussion. I hope you don't mind the revert. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: - Not a problem. I've always seen it as a slightly older typing convention held over from typewriters, so I do sometimes clean it up, but it's no biggie.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 20:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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Language tags

Hi, regarding this edit, I have not come across language tags before, and I edit sumo articles extensively. As far as I am aware, no other sumo article uses them. Is this something I should be using going forward? And is it necessary to use the template on every repetition of the word? That seems somewhat laborious. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pawnkingthree: Hello! Wikipedia's policy on the use of foreign language terms states that, if it's not a loanword to English - e.g., if it doesn't turn up as an entry in Merriam-Webster, which is a good test - then it needs to be wrapped in a language template, to ensure that visually-impaired readers who utilise screenreader technology hear it pronounced correctly. Otherwise, it'll be pronounced phonetically in English, as there's no wikitext within the article saying otherwise. It's a bit like an English satnav going to France and butchering all the pronunciation of place names.

I agree that it's tedious work. I edit a lot of articles on Japanese arts and culture (I just got done adding the right formatting to Glossary of sumo terms) and even though I've added the right language tags to a lot of them, there's always more work to do. At some point, I'd like to discuss how continuity of language tagging could be improved with other Wikipedians, because I can be done with one article and then new content, without tagging, pops up and has to be dealt with again.

In the meantime, though, until such a tool exists, yes, it is best to use the right language templates wherever you can (outside of ref tags - it fucks up CS1 and CS2 formatting for some reason). For romanised terms, {{transl}} is ideal; for non-romanised text, there's {{lang}}; and, specifically for Japanese, there's {{nihongo}} and {{nihongo3}} - though be warned that neither have marked parameters like {{lang-zh}} (i.e. |kanji=, etc), so you must input content properly.

It may seem like a lot, but it's easy enough once you get the hang of it, and I'd be very appreciative to have someone else helping out on this, aha. I hope this makes sense!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 16:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it does, thanks. I wasn't aware of MOS:OTHERLANG before. Generally those of us who edit sumo articles tend to use an English equivalent as much as possible (which I believe is derived from MOS:JAPAN) so we usually write "sumo wrestler" or just "wrestler' instead of "rikishi", but where using a Japanese term is unavoidable I will certainly use the template going forward. I'll add it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sumo#Conventions too (not that we are a very active WikiProject, but it won't hurt).-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 17:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Template:nihongo_krt vs. Template:nihongo

Saw your edit comment on the Japanese grammar page from 2021-12-21, particularly:

replaced nihongo krt with nihongo3, as they essentially do the same thing, and honestly, when I have the time, I'll likely submit krt to TfD.

I wanted to note the differences.

• Template:nihongo_krt

Japanese comes first. Romanization comes second, in parens and italics.

• Template:nihongo

Romanization comes first, in italics. Japanese comes second, in parens.

So they're not quite the same thing. If memory serves, the krt suffix in the one template name is intended as a mnemonic, indicating that the kana (or Japanese) comes first, then the romanization, and then the translation (if provided).

Compare:

• {{nihongo|English text.|日本語の文書。|Nihongo no bunsho.|This is a note.|This is an additional note.}}

English text. (日本語の文書。, Nihongo no bunsho., This is a note.) This is an additional note.

• {{nihongo_krt|English text.|日本語の文書。|Nihongo no bunsho.|This is a note.|This is an additional note.}}

日本語の文書。 (Nihongo no bunsho., English text., This is a note.) This is an additional note.

FWIW, I always found it confusing that a template called nihongo would output the English first -- why include that in the template at all in that case, especially if you're not going to apply any formatting?

At any rate, if the editor wants the Japanese first, and not in parentheses, then {{nihongo_krt}} is the better choice.

Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 00:45, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah - that's an older edit of mine; after this, someone else kindly informed me of the differences in their usage, aha.

I'm not sure if you came across it, but I did have a discussion with some other editors a while ago about reworking the nihongo templates that covered the functions of {{nihongo krt}}. I've yet to work out a proposal of any kind, but in an ideal template in a similar vein to {{lang-zh}}'s multiuse functions, a consolidated nihongo template would have an order parameter that would allow kanji to be presented first.

In lieu of this proposal, and some kind of consolidation of templates, I have still been removing {{nihongo krt}} where I see it. This is because it's unlikely that a bot could be coded to replace any nihongo instances with the reworked template, as this would likely violate WP:COSMETICBOT.

{{nihongo}}, {{nihongo2}} and {{nihongo3}} all have a very high number of transclusions - 98,000, 11,000 and 1,200 respectively. In contrast, {{nihongo krt}} has 44.

As {{nihongo krt}} has so few transclusions, to save time and a headache later, I've been replacing them with {{lang}} and {{transl}} in lieu of an all-inclusive nihongo template.

You are correct in that it does fill a hole as a template not covered by the existing nihongo templates; it's just a small hole that will probably get reworked in the future, and so for the time being, it saves the pain of going "ah fuck, how many transclusions?", if that makes sense.

I'm not sure how we ended up in this mess; I don't know how we ended up with about four or five nihongo templates that fill slightly different needs. You'd think you'd code that in from the start. I mean, {{nihongo2}} is almost identical to {{lang}} in function, save for a user-defined css class used by just six people, only one of whom is active. Outside of that, it's literally the same.

I hope this makes sense and doesn't seem like I'm conducting these edits for no reason(!). I may loop you in to any further discussion on reworking nihongo that happens elsewhere in the future. Thanks!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for filling me in on the background! I agree that a single unified template / module approach would be best.

One thought would be to allow users to enter the JA, the romanization, and the translation (surrounded by quotes) into any of args 1, 2, 3 surrounded by quotes. Which positional arg would indicate where to put the string -- string 1 would go first outside the parens, string 2 and string 3 within the parens. Any quoted string would be the translation, and the quotes could be changed or stripped or not by the template. It'd be easy enough too to differentiate the JA from EN text by doing a simple regex -- Asian text in this context would basically be anything at or above Unicode codepoint 3000 (the double-byte space), so a quick-and-dirty test would be ([^\u3000-\ufffe])+ to catch non-Asian text, or remove the ^ to catch Asian text.

The existing {{nihongo}}, {{nihongo2}}, etc templates could be reworked to just pass along to the new module, with the arguments repositioned as appropriate for the new ordering paradigm. This way, there'd be no need to run any WP:COSMETICBOT processes, and existing wikicode could be left as-is -- all changes to the existing templates would be on the back end. Optionally, editors could be informed that a given template is deprecated -- this is a technique I've seen used to good effect at EN Wikt. I've just added an example at wikt:User:Eirikr/Scratchpad if you'd like to see one option for what that might look like. I'm pretty sure I've seen a template or two that only displays the warning during preview, but I couldn't find an example of that just now.

Sadly, I am not very good at Lua -- most of my coding experience, such as it is, has been VBA, XSLT, and regex, just due to the requirements of my jobs over the years. Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 19:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

About paisley article

Why were my edits reverted on the Paisley page by you? The content in the origin section is extremely inaccurate. I tried to write absolutely and precisely by linking to documents. What was my edit's problem? Histo.beh (talk) 13:49, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

colors in Old Testament table

In a recent change to Old Testament, you comment, "I'm concerned that this table solely uses colour to communicate which group each book belongs to." It's not quite that bad. Note that for the three versions of the Old Testament, the groups are all contiguous and identified by headers within the table (cells joined by rowspan). The only information conveyed solely by the colors is their correspondence with the Hebrew Bible groupings, which isn't central to topic of the article. Regards, Dan Bloch (talk) 19:04, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Danbloch: - Ah, that makes sense, and is more reassuring. It'd still be nice for there to be something, but thank you for clarifying.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 21:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

About sukumizu article

Hello, I saw that the Sukumizu article was unfortunately made a redirect to Swimsuit due to lack of notable sources, so I searched online and posted some potential sources in the Talk page that might be useful. I also have a summary translation to the Sankei Shimbun article about swimsuit you found on the Talk page as well. If you have the time to take a look at them, I would greatly appreciate the help. --AtollUphill (talk) 01:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@AtollUphill: Ah, thank you very much. These seem like good sources, and seeing as we have something to go on now, I think we could probably restore the article with the addition of these references.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 10:55, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Some edits to black-and-red broadbill

In a rather old (Jan 1) edit to black-and-red broadbill that I just noticed, you added parentheses around all the subspecies authorities. I've removed those now, but I thought I'd just tell you that species or subspecies authorities in parentheses are used to indicate that those authorities described the species/subspecies in a different genus than it is currently classified in. Making them consistent is actually factually incorrect. AryKun (talk) 06:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@AryKun: ohh, thank you. I think I was just following the example in the infobox; taxonomy isn't my area of speciality. Thank you! --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

help with Bach

March songs

Thank you for your help making lang-templates more consistent for Bach's works and No. 1! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: it's not a problem! I hope I got the title correct – I know that before, the end part (BWV 1) wasn't italicised, but I don't think that {{title language}} has partway-italics as a function.

Still, it's nice to come to the featured article of the day and see that it already has some lang tags there – I hope more editors use them in the future!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 15:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

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Links to Tayū

Hello,

The reason I removed the links to tayū from the articles Shimabara, Kyoto and Hanamachi is because tayū is currently a disambiguation page, and there's no article listed on that page that points to tayū specifically. They are discussed in the oiran article, so a link there might make sense instead. WP:REDLINK isn't the applicable policy here since it's not actually a redlink; links to disambiguation pages are discouraged per WP:DAB. Mahalo, Musashi1600 (talk) 02:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Musashi1600: Ohhh – so sorry. You're right; should've thought.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 10:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for adding some revisions to Ugetsu Monogatari, especially the transliteration indicators. I didn't know about those so I'll be sure to use them from now on. :) MenoEnds (talk) 23:21, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@MenoEnds: it's not a problem! Thank you for your contributions, and happy editing!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 10:08, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

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Murasaki

I just searched for murasaki and found that the page wasn't relevant and the disambiguation link was dead. It looks as though you may have killed it. I'm trying to figure out how to restore it. I'm still new at this and the special property for these links are not obvious to me. Can you help? --Danindenver (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@Danindenver: you're right, I did kill the disambiguation link without realising – very sorry, I've fixed it now. You should now be able to navigate to Murasaki (disambiguation) from the article Murasaki, and find what it is you're looking for. Thank you for letting me know!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 10:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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Breaks in cast list

Hi, regarding your edits at Star Trek: Discovery I just wanted to let you know that the formatting of cast lists with larger pargraphs in them has been discussed many times at TV-related articles and the current consensus is to just use break tags. At one point there was a specific template for this formatting, but it was deleted following this discussion in favour of using generic break tags instead. This is noted at MOS:TVCAST, which also notes that we should not be bolding text in cast lists. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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MOS:LAYOUTEL

Hi! In relation to this edit, please take a look at MOS:LAYOUTEL. It's unnecessarily (or perhaps unacceptably?) prescriptive for a guideline, but the message is clear: we don't need to create a separate EL section for a commonscat link, it should simply be placed at the start of the last section of the page. Thanks, regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: Hello! Thank you for making me aware of it – I honestly hadn't known it existed; I'd assumed commonscat links, being external, would warrant their own section (and I wouldn't think to look in the references or further reading section on mobile for a commonscat link, personally, but that's just me). I'll be sure to keep aware of it.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 21:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

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Ottoman Empire

I'm not exactly sure which part of your last edit did it, but the infobox in Ottoman Empire is utterly massive and should be restored to its previous width ASAP. For the life of me I can't figure out exactly what caused it, probably something to do with the NoWraps. Aza24 (talk) 05:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Aza24: Ah, piss. It may well have been the nowraps – might've not stacked them properly within {{ubl}}. Thanks for letting me know.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 10:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Happy to help. Your lang tags looked like an unrelated improvement, so you could probably restore them at least. Best – Aza24 (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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Some falafel for you!

I will be having felafel tonight in Melbourne Australia (I live near large Middle Eastern and Greek communities) and I would like to invite you to join me in spirit Your thanks made my day!. It took 2 days of work to get the information together, and I had seen no response. I am still hesitant about whether my evidence and data driven approach suits Meta, but if one person is happy that is enough. I agree with your analysis. Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 00:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wakelamp: Glad to hear it made your day! And thank you!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:05, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to undo your edits

Sorry, I had to undo these 3 edits (2 by you, one of them very big, and one by a bot working in the area of your edits) because they effectively destroyed a large part of the 3rd table in the relevant article. Please feel free to re-enter your changes once you have found and fixed whatever in them caused the table to be damaged. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 06:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: Just in case you can't see what the problem is on your mobile and its software, on both my PC and my mobile, the table of Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown lost almost every entry from Pepi II of ancient Egypt (which was now said to be in 17th century India) to Robert of the Duchy of Bar (reign dates indicating 67 years, but duration no longer shown), with durations missing for the few that remained (with the 5th remaining entry,Sultan Abdul Kadir (etc) being shown with dates indicating a reign of 4 years, 1826-1830) with the first duration to reappear being 66 years,and quite likely there were also other problems which I hadn't noticed. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

After further checking, the 4-year reign problem was already there before your edit. And adding close brackets after Seti II's Old Kingdom of Egypt would fix his entry, though most of the entries have still disappeared, presumably due to many other missing brackets. I note that if your software somehow automatically adds the missing brackets then you presumably can't see the problems. Meanwhile, as expected the above mentioned list of problems was incomplete as Ramses II's New Kingdom of Egypt is also said to be in British India since 1712, presumably due to yet more missing brackets, and quite likely there are many more such problems yet to be discovered. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Incidentally,if the problem is caused by your software adding missing brackets that then destroys tables for older software users who are left stuck with the missing brackets, then maybe you should report it this to the relevant authorities (whoever they may be). Tlhslobus (talk) 07:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tlhslobus: Ah, piss. I remembered that I'd attempted to change emphasis with bold markup (not accessible) to emphasis with bold markup and {{em}}, and that the last time I tried it, I got snowed under with how big the article is. I thought if I copied a section into Google Docs, and did find and replace ( ''' to '''{{em| and ''' to }}''' ), I could address the issue; seems I buggered it up. It may have been that my clipboard has a word limit on mobile, too, which might explain the missing entries; the reign dates I'm not sure about. I can go along and try readding the emphasis manually if you like, it'll just take a considerable while.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:31, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think the missing entries are due to the size of your Clipboard, or at least not the first missing ones. Certainly my testing showed that the missing tail-end of Pepi II is due to 2 missing close brackets (2 of this character: } ) after 'Egypt]]', which causes the software to ignore everything until it finds two close brackets many entries later, because 2 of { were used to open a template function (to add emphasis to Old Kingdom of Egypt, if I remember correctly). As for how you fix it, you may just need to go looking for pairs of open brackets characters { and then check that they have their matching pair of close brackets correctly placed. And then check using Preview that your changes don't damage the table before posting them, and self-revert if you forget to check and thus post a damaging change. This should not be a problem unless your software somehow stops you seeing that there are missing entries in these 3 edits, but if it doesn't show them as missing (perhaps because your software correctly guesses where the missing brackets should be) then you might want to ask me to try to make the changes for you (though it may be a while before I have the time to try). But, assuming your software doesn't stop you noticing missing entries, then quite likely the fix will actually only take you a few minutes once you start looking for Open Brackets using whatever Find function Google Docs offers you. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 18:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

And, although I can't currently be 100% sure of this, there is probably no need for you to worry about wrong dates at the moment: some (such as the 4 years for Sultan Abdul Kadir) are errors that were already there, while others (including Pepi II, as I have checked) are the result of missing brackets causing different entries to get partly merged. Tlhslobus (talk) 18:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I've now fixed your changes and added them back in, along with a few of my own. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 03:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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MOS:ELLIPSIS

Please format ellipses without square brackets, per the Manual of Style. DrKay (talk) 12:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@DrKay: sorry to say, but if the ellipsis isn't present in the source material, square brackets are actually used, per MOS:ELLIPSIS:

"Occasionally, square brackets are placed around an ellipsis to make clear that it isn't original to the material being quoted, for example if the quoted passage itself contains an ellipsis (She retorted: "How do I feel? How do you think I ... This is too much! [...] Take me home!")."--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 12:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I have a question

How many articles are there on the Wikipedia? Monredo (talk) 14:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Monredo: Hello; I don't know, but I think your question would be better asked on the Teahouse, Wikipedia's forum for general questions, where other editors who have more experience can help.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 14:17, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, I think there are 6,552,935 articles as of 19 September 2022 according to wikicount.net, So that's why i know. Monredo (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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Conversions

Conversions should only be used once for a specific measurement, not every time. I have, therefore, reverted your additional conversions to the Borodino-class battlecruiser article. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66: so long as the language tags are left in, that's fine.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 14:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

They remained as I totally forgot about them.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:16, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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Cancer

Re "it smells like a bad faith effort to avoid association with being described as "cancerous" to me" in [1] - seriously? Please assume good faith, and perhaps look at my other edits that day for the background - and please consider revising your statement there. Mike Peel (talk) 22:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: I'm sorry, but it did seem like at least some amount corporate cleanup to me; I admit I did see opening a redirect for discussion in the middle of that discussion as somewhat bad faith. I apologise for assuming there was no genuine feeling behind it; that's over the line and you're right.

But I have to say, as someone who's lost someone to cancer – stating it's "quite offensive to anyone who's lost someone to cancer" isn't true for me personally. And I still think it's accurate to say the WMF would want to avoid being described as "cancerous" – I don't believe it's bad faith to assume that, as I'd imagine no non-profit would want that association.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 22:16, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I respect that it isn't offensive to you personally, although I was hoping that more people here would appreciate that it can be offensive to others. I still think it's bad to make assumptions here about WMF, or 'corporate cleanup' - please assume good faith more. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:25, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Alcohol in Christianity

Hi, I saw you removed this portion from Entheogen, but wouldn't it be included? Seems like an obvious choice. Thanks. Altanner1991 (talk) 03:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Altanner1991: which portion? I'm looking at my edits to the article and I've only reordered some stuff in the Christianity portion, as well as removed an amazon link and a double line break that I (shame! shame!) accidentally added in myself.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 12:05, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I was talking about the first part of this diff: [2] ("Alcohol is often used in the Christian tradition for religious ceremonies"). Perhaps it should be worked on, rather than removed entirely? Thanks, Altanner1991 (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Altanner1991: Oh, that part; sorry, it wasn't showing up in red for me so I didn't see it. You're right, removing it presumes the reader already knows what the Eucharist is – the section just ends with "people have beef about how sauced the Eucharist should be", it doesn't introduce the concept of "sometimes we drink wine at 10am on a Sunday" at all. I'll reinstate it and rework it. Thank you for pointing it out to me.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 22:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh no problem; appreciate it. Altanner1991 (talk) 00:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hi. It was all 10 or 11 years ago but if you're interested, you'll find a lot of what you need to know here. It was a project that went badly wrong from corruption and misappropriation of funds, mismanagement of competing local affiliates, to the catastrophic 'education' itself. I warned the WMF what was about to happen but a senior WMF director was not very polite and slammed a metaphorical door in my face saying words to the effect of "Kudpung is a drama monger. What he is suggesting is poppycock." After having had numerous one-on-one Skype talks with some of the other major players, with my knowledge of the cultural dichotomy from my many years living and working in academia in Asia, I offered to go and defuse the issue(s) . It's only a only a 2 hour flight from where I live, but the WMF all jumped on a plane in San Francisco for a junket to India and just made matters worse. Finally they hired an expensive US business consultant to fly out there, investigate, and make a report. Her report was carefully written (as she later told me privately) so as not to sound too accusing of those who hired her, but the summary was clear.

I rallied our en.Wiki volunteers together to make a massive clean up of the results of the 'education' itself. Of the person or persons who were responsible for the failed project, some disappeared into the Asian undergrowth, others had their employment terminated or resigned voluntarily; others, instead of being fired, were given a new stand-alone Foundation affiliate to run and remain in employment but where the WMF itself would be divested of any future responsibility if anything went wrong. There aren't many people around today who remember the fiasco; the WMF has conveniently forgotten it and has gone on to make many more money wasting experiments of various kinds, and still does.

Because they are paid for what they do, the WMF staff think they are more qualified than any of the volunteers and behave with an air of superiority when challenged - even going as far as to threaten users with sanctions if they say too much, as you can see from the RfC. IMO that's the reason why for example with the poorly worded fundraising banners (even with their incorrect use of English), they won't listen. They don't want to lose face as they massively did with ACTRIAL , for example, where the community finally forced them to spend funds on it. Because they don't believe the community will carry out its threat of implementing local blocks of the banners, they double down and will prefer to run the risk. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Thank you for the explanation and your thorough writeup; it's much appreciated.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome 🙂 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Rp template not in use in Electric eel

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@Chiswick Chap: ah, sorry – I just saw some references that had their corresponding page numbers placed in hidden comments, so I thought they ought to be visible on the page, as a reader otherwise would not know what page numbers of a reference were used to source something.

I honestly thought it was fine as an addition to a regular reference; it allows a reference formatted as <ref></ref> to be called multiple times with different page ranges each time throughout the article, a function I've found useful myself before now.

For {{sfn}} I would understand – it has a page number function built in – but am I wrong to add the {{rp}} template in this instance? I think there are some references where adding a page number range to the original reference would result in multiple identical refs being written out with only the page number range differing.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 12:54, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Rp has the undesirable attribute of thrusting (a fragment of) citation data into the reader's face, when reading all other citations is (rightly) optional, so I personally find it especially objectionable; but the fact that it's not in use in the article should be sufficient reply here. On the multiple independent refs, the answer is just to use a named ref, and usually it can be just once at the end of the paragraph. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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Why are there now two separate notes for the manual calculations in Ceres (dwarf planet)?

The reason I used the ref note format was that it allowed the same note to link to mulltiple refs. Also I was told in the FAC to move the manual calculations out of the reference list. Serendi^podous 18:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

There's two separate notes? I though I combined them into one note called multiple times in the infobox?

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I have no idea on which articles you worked, your user and talk page does not show much which is bad. I worked more than three years on Rasputin, Robespierre and Germaine de Stael, etc. My memory is pretty good when it comes to dates, but I cannot keep every detail in my mind. So I make/made hidden comments to get the chronology right. This practise seems very unusual on Wikipedia. Taksen (talk) 10:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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I too found the hidden text confusing, and frankly inappropriate. I took your hint and have gone through the article, clearing out around 200 examples of hidden text, consistent with MOS:DONTHIDE. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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