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al Rashid[edit]

Hey bro. I'm here to tell you that, the family section of the page of Abbasid caliph Harun-al-rashid looks like a mess. Now it's extremely difficult to find out name of a wife/concubine and her respective son/daughter with Harun. The list view was better and easier to read. Wikipedia is supposed to help people read and understand easily. Can you change it back or make it a better list? Hope you understand my point. Thank you. Ishan87 (talk) 13:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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July 2023[edit]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing certain namespaces ((Article) and Draft) for copyright violations.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 04:55, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You've received several previous warnings for copyright issues and attribution issues. Along with the above G12, I also removed content you copied from The Abbasid Caliphate: A History p. 231 into Sayyida Zumurrud Khatun. If you want to be unblocked, you need to commit to not from copying from sources in your future editing and demonstrate a better understanding of copyright. User:Moneytrees/Copyright blocks contains some advice on appealing this block. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 04:59, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Moneytrees,

I will commit myself not to copying from sources in my future editing and demonstrate a better understanding of copyright. I am sorry for making this mistake.

I hope you will accept my apology Sir. Homo sapiens History (talk) 08:37, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will commit myself not to copying from sources in my future editing and demonstrate a better understanding of copyright. I am sorry for making this mistake.

I hope you will accept my apology Sir, please remove my indefinite block. Homo sapiens History (talk) 10:12, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry for making this mistake. I will never do it again. I hope you will accept my apology Sir, please remove my indefinite block. It will be your most kindness. Homo sapiens History (talk) 19:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
While I believe you have meant no wrong and I accept you apology, I need to be more certain that you will not copy and paste material in the future. Answering the questions at User:Yunshui/decline copyvio is a good to demonstrating understanding of copyright. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 02:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What is a copyright?

Copyright refers to the ownership rights that authors and artists have over their creative works. The works protected by copyright include books, music, images on wikipedia. We should not add content to Wikipedia if we think that doing so may be the violation of copyright.
How is Wikipedia licenced?

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Why is copyrighted content not allowed on Wikipedia?

The copyrighted content not allowed on Wikipedia because it is considered copyright violation by wikipedia laws. We should not add text or images to Wikipedia if we think that doing so may be a copyright violation.
Under what circumstances can we use copyrighted content?

We should never use material (text) to Wikipedia if we think that doing so may be the copyright violation of wikipedia.
How do you intend to avoid violating the copyright policy in the future?

I will make sure that I am using sources that are permissible under wikipedia copyright policy. I will always avoid book sources. I will only use sources that are free to use on wikipedia without any copyright violation issues. Homo sapiens History (talk) 07:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, please check my answers. Homo sapiens History (talk) 21:19, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Check my answers Homo sapiens History (talk) 21:29, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, there’s no issue with you using book sources. Looking through your work, if anything your referencing is pretty thorough. The problem comes from you copying text from your sources into articles. You can only copy from sources if they are very very old (In the Public Domain) or if they are released under a license that allows reuse (the vast majority of sources aren’t). Wikipedia is the “free” encyclopedia, so content added to it cannot be copied from “non-free” sources, among other things. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:31, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Moneytrees

I once again apologise for the mistake.

Sir, Will you unblock me? Homo sapiens History (talk) 00:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, Will you please unblock me? Homo sapiens History (talk) 06:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, Will you please unblock me? Homo sapiens History (talk) 08:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Homo sapiens History, are you familiar with the concept of paraphrase? You seem to understand what copyrights are, but not how to write an encyclopedia without violating copyrights. What we do is to summarize sources in our own words, also known as paraphrase. Everything we write needs to be 100% our own words, yet reflect the meaning given by the sources. Some editors, especially those who do not master English very well, fall into the trap of too close paraphrasing: the text still resembles the source text too much. We should neither copy text, nor paraphrase it too closely, but write completely new text. Yet that new text has to convey what the sources are saying. If your English skills are not good enough to completely reword what a source is saying, it's better not to write anything at all.
I know that this is what you have for the most part been doing: most of your edits are 'gnoming' edits, which generally do not introduce new text to articles. Yet I think that it is problematic to edit an English-language encyclopedia if you don't have the skills to paraphrase English-language sources. It will too easily lead to problems, not only with copyright, but also more generally because your editing is not based on sources: edits like this or this seem to be purely based on your personal knowledge about these subjects. This is a good example where you make a lot of gnoming edits but also add an inappropriate, unsourced and non-neutral introduction (this is not the type of thing reliable sources write about the subject) which needed reverting. As far as I recall, your editing has always been like this: you do good stuff, but you also create a lot of work for other editors to clean up after you.
Is it possible for you to attend some kind of English writing course, or to improve your English writing skills in some other way? I think that in the long term, this is needed for you to become a productive editor here. At a very minimum, I think you should commit to not adding new text to articles until you have learned how to paraphrase sources. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 11:34, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with the advice @Apaugasma gives above-- understanding Wikipedia's copyright licenses is one half of the battle. From there, you'll need to change how you write and avoid copying from sources. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 03:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sir, Will you please unblock me? Homo sapiens History (talk) 04:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not at this time, to be clear. You should read the above advice from Apaugasma and consider it well. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 16:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Moneytrees

How will you know I took his advice? Homo sapiens History (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You could say something other than “please unblock me”, or respond to what he’s said and interact with him further. You could also write some example text on your talk page that would be an example of what your new article edits would look like. Additionally, you could use the appeal template above, which would let other admins weigh in on your unblock. You don’t just need to ask me for an unblock. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 16:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Homo sapiens History (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Your reason here Homo sapiens History (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
the block is no longer necessary because you
1. understand what you have been blocked for,
2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Daniel Case (talk) 06:06, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

. Homo sapiens History (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

August 2023[edit]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

I am sorry for making this mistake (copyright issue). I acknowledge my mistake and i will never do it again. I hope you will accept my apology and you will remove my indefinite block. It will be your most kindness. Homo sapiens History (talk) 08:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I have read the below discussion, and I am not confident that Homo sapiens History understands what copyright is. In future unblock requests, please answer the following questions:

What is copyright? (WP:C)
What techniques can editors use when writing articles on Wikipedia to avoid copyright concerns?

A new request can be opened below. Z1720 (talk) 20:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I am sorry for making this mistake (copyright issue). I acknowledge my mistake and i will never do it again. I hope you will accept my apology and you will remove my indefinite block. It will be your most kindness. You can read below comments to have understanding of my case. Homo sapiens History (talk) 08:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Homo sapiens History, no administrator will ever unblock you if you do not engage with the advice above and explain what concrete steps you will take to avoid the issue in the future. You have to show that you understand the problem, also the part about how to write, and tell us exactly what you are going to do to avoid it. If you cannot or do not want to do that, it's better not to waste administrators' time and to go and do something else outside of Wikipedia. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 11:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Apaugasma

"You have to show that you understand the problem, also the part about how to write, and tell us exactly what you are going to do to avoid it. If you cannot or do not want to do that, it's better not to waste administrators' time and to go and do something else outside of Wikipedia"

I already said, "I will make sure that I am using sources that are permissible under wikipedia copyright policy. I will always avoid book sources. I will only use sources that are free to use on wikipedia without any copyright violation issues". Homo sapiens History (talk) 13:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"No administrator will ever unblock you if you do not engage with the advice above and explain what concrete steps you will take to avoid the issue in the future"

@Apaugasma, I will make sure that I am using sources that are permissible under wikipedia copyright policy. I will always avoid book sources (if they are permissible i will still avoid them, Moneytrees said "very very" old sources are permissible). I will only use sources that are free to use on wikipedia without any copyright violation issues. Homo sapiens History (talk) 14:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will you then only copy text from non-copyrighted sources, and never write text of your own? Do you realize that other editors are writing new text of their own all of the time, and only very rarely copy anything at all? In my view, every Wikipedia editor should at least be able to write new text based on copyrighted sources, even if they are not very good at it and/or don't do it often. I think this focus on only copying text is not good, even if from non-copyrighted sources. If you would stick to gnoming edits only, and commit to never adding text of any kind, perhaps you might make a convincing case to be unblocked. But in any case we would need to trust that you understand why not being able to write text without copying it from somewhere is problematic, and from your current answers it seems that you do not understand. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Apaugasma,

You misunderstood me, you said "Will you then only copy text from non-copyrighted sources, and never write text of your own"?

Answer:- No, I will never do that.

@Apaugasma "From your current answers it seems that you do not understand".

I understood the problem, that's why I am acknowledging it. Homo sapiens History (talk) 17:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Apaugasma, I never said I will copy from sources and will never write text in my own words.

@Apaugasma, I will write in my own words and will never copy.

I understood what you said, i should adding text to article but the text should be my own writing and not from original source word to word. Homo sapiens History (talk) 18:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you will never copy, why did you say before that you will "only use sources that are free to use on Wikipedia without any copyright violation issues"? There is only a problem with copyrighted sources if you copy from them, not if you rewrite what they say in your own words. Copyrighted source --> write your own words. Non-copyrighted source --> you can freely copy if you properly attribute the text to its source (please read WP:FREECOPYING). Do you understand that now?

I think the way to go forward is to do as Moneytrees suggested above: please write some example text here on your talk page to show how your new article edits would look like. If you can show that you can write some text in your own words that conveys what the source is saying without resembling the source text, you may be unblocked.

It's probably also a good idea to remove the unblock request for the time being and post a new one when you have written the example text showing that you can paraphrase copyrighted sources. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 20:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Apaugasma

Text: The number of domestic and foreign tourists in the Kuwait rose above 50 millions in 2019, an increase of 10 percent and the sharpest growth rate Since 2008, The central bureau reported on Friday.

Paraphrase: According to Central bureau, the Kuwait experienced dramatic growth in tourist numbers in 2019. More than fifty million tourists travelled to or within the Kuwait that year representing a 10% increase, the steepest in eleven years.

Text: Islamabad, an engaging city with vibrant ambience and exhilarating pace is one of the foremost tourist destination in the Pakistan.

Paraphrase: One of the most famous places in Pakistan to visit is Islamabad. People love to visit because it is exciting and interesting.

Are these two examples enough for you or you want more. I understood what you said, i will never do the same mistake again. Homo sapiens History (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Apaugasma I will use synonyms, will change the form of words and grammatical structures, etc. Homo sapiens History (talk) 15:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That does look good to me

. Let's see what the admins say. Moneytrees? ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 15:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Apaugasma While I appreciate the above rewrites, I'm lukewarm on an unblock here. I still think HSH's understanding of copyright and copying text is still a bit shakey and I would like to see that cleared up before continuing. HSH, when you say "I will make sure that I am using sources that are permissible under wikipedia copyright policy. I will always avoid book sources (if they are permissible i will still avoid them, Moneytrees said "very very" old sources are permissible) -- to be clear, are you referring to citing sources or copying from them? Because it's fine to cite book sources, the issue comes from when you copy from them. Do you understand that? Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:47, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Moneytrees•

I meant citing sources not copying. Homo sapiens History (talk) 08:22, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Moneytrees•

"Because it's fine to cite book sources, the issue comes from when you copy from them. Do you understand that?"

Yes. Homo sapiens History (talk) 08:36, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well to be honest, I'm lukewarm on an unblock too. HSH's answer here that they meant citing sources not copying when talking about using sources that are permissible under wikipedia copyright policy does not make sense. Sources permissible under Wikipedia copyright policy (i.e., non-copyrighted sources) are necessary when copying, not when citing.

I suspect that the reason why HSH's answer does not make sense is that their English is simply not good enough to have an intelligible discussion here. Either they don't understand, or they cannot express themselves well enough, but something is lacking. My feeling is that HSH at this time lacks the necessary English skills to edit the English Wikpedia. Wikipedia:Competence is required.

I'm sorry HSH, but I find myself returning to my advice above. I think that if you want to be unblocked and edit the English Wikipedia again, you should first find some way to improve your English language skills. Only that will enable you to write an unblock request which convincingly explains in clear English what you did wrong and how you will avoid doing it again in the future. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 17:12, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Apaugasma•

I said these words because you said "No administrator will ever unblock you" and "It's better not to waste administrators' time"

Don't unblock me, Bye Homo sapiens History (talk) 17:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Apaugasma😒 Homo sapiens History (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear to me which words you mean with "these words". If you mean "I will make sure that I am using sources that are permissible under wikipedia copyright policy", you first said these on 30 July 2023, well before my 3 August comment you quote. If you mean something else, well ... I have no idea what it would be. In any case I do not understand why my words should have compelled you to say anything.

I think all of this just demonstrates that it's not possible for us at this time to have an intelligible conversation, which is a requirement for editing, especially if one is blocked. I feel very sorry for you, but this is how it has to be for now. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 18:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unforuntaly I'd have to agree with @Apaugasma here. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 02:35, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 2023[edit]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Homo sapiens History (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am sorry for making this mistake (Copyright violations). I acknowledge my mistake and i will never do it again. I hope you will accept my apology and you will remove my indefinite block. It will be your most kindness.

What is copyright?

Copyrights refers to the ownership rights that authors and artists have over their creative works. The works protected by copyright include audio, pictures, books on wikipedia. We should not add content to Wiki if we think that doing so may be the violation of copyright

What techniques can editors use when writing articles on Wikipedia to avoid copyright concerns?

Editors should use synonyms, They should change the form of words and grammatical structures, when writing articles on Wikipedia to avoid copyright issues.

Decline reason:

This unblock request does not demonstrate a sufficient understanding of Wikipedia's copyright policy. In fact, the second part of your response describes close paraphrasing, which is a copyright violation. Spicy (talk)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

You repeatedly refer to what you did as a "mistake", but you received a long string of messages about copyright, over a period of more than two years, and ignored them all until you were blocked. Can you explain how you managed to keep making the same "mistake" over and over again, despite being warned about it over and over again? On the face of it, that looks more like not caring than like making a mistake, but I am willing to consider any other explanation you can offer. JBW (talk) 20:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is generally not considered to be a good idea to remove comments relating to an unblock request which is still pending, as doing so is likely to make it more difficult for any administrator reviewing the unblock request to find the relevant comments I am therefore restoring the question which I wrote above, which you have removed. You are free to post an answer to it or not, as you wish, but I advise you to do so, in order to give your unblock request a better chance of success. JBW (talk) 19:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see an answer to JBW's questions above before I consider the unblock request below. Waggers TALK 16:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 2023[edit]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Subject: Request for unblocking Respected Admin, I am Homosapiens History, I am sorry for making Copyright violations. I acknowledge my mistake and i will never do it again. I would be obliged if you consider my situation and unblock my account. Yours faithfully, Homo sapiens History *What is copyright? Copyrights refers to the ownership rights that authors and artists have over their creative works. The works protected by copyright include audio, pictures, books on wikipedia. We should not add content to Wiki if we think that doing so may be the violation of copyright *What techniques can editors use when writing articles on Wikipedia to avoid copyright concerns? Editors should rewrite in their own words, use synonyms, They should change the form of words and grammatical structures, they should also avoid Close paraphrasing and Plagiarism when writing articles on Wikipedia to avoid copyright issues.

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
the block is no longer necessary because you
1. understand what you have been blocked for,
2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. You should write your appeal in your own words and not copy-paste snippets of policy. You need to show that you understand what you did wrong and understand the policy. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unblock request January 2024[edit]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Respected Wikipedia Admin, I am Homosapiens History, I am sorry for making Copyright violations. I acknowledge my mistake and i will never do it again. I would be obliged if you consider my situation and unblock my account. Yours faithfully, Homo sapiens History *What is copyright? **Copyrights refers to the ownership rights that authors and artists have over their creative works. The works protected by copyright include audio, pictures, books on wikipedia. We should not add content to Wiki if we think that doing so may be the violation of copyright **What techniques can editors use when writing articles on Wikipedia to avoid copyright concerns? Editors should rewrite in their own words, use synonyms, They should change the form of words and grammatical structures, they should also avoid Close paraphrasing and Plagiarism when writing articles on Wikipedia to avoid copyright issues.

Decline reason:

Since you can't explain in your own words, I see no reason to unblock you. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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January 2024[edit]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for unable to distinguish when copying text and when using your own words is appropriate.. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then submit a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]