User talk:HistoryofIran/Archive 4

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	For all good articles promoted about Iranian History. Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 05:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks mate :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Arsaces I of Parthia

Is there a source for the content in the section "Name" of the article? And I bet the section itself may be further expanded. Σανμοσα^{The Trve Lawe of free Monarchies} 07:47, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Can't remember. I do however recall there was stuff regarding the name in 'The Parthian and Early Sasanian Empires: Adaptation and Expansion' which I planned to add. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Damghan

I came across the article Damghan, which is obviously very important in your line of expertise and I wonder if you'd cast your eye over it to see if there are glaring errors or improvements that can be made. I've cleared up some of the language which was written in tourist guide-speak and added a lot of links, but I'm a bit baffled by some of the various transliterations and unfamiliar names. Thanks, and keep up the good work! GPinkerton (talk) 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Heya, I'm not much active nowadays unfortunately, and editing articles regarding cities/towns, especially ones that still exist nowadays doesn't really interest me. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah OK, maybe if you come across the name in your research maybe you could just let me know. It was supposed to be a/the capital of the Parthian period and there are lots of important Seljuk-era tomb-tower and other Seljuk buildings, and a fire-temple so I though perhaps you'd know more. Thanks anyway! GPinkerton (talk) 03:22, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

IR net censorship

سلام. امیدوارم حالتان خوب باشد. در مقاله زیر که در سانسو ر_اینتر نت در جهان است بخشی با نام Shutdowns به کشور هایی که به قطع کردن اینتر نت دست زده اند پرداخته است. نام مقاله: Internet Censorship

در رابطه با قطع_اینتر نت در ایران فقط دو یا سه خط نوشته شده است.... برای گسترش چند خط در این باره بنویسید:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internet_censorship#Internet_shutdowns

روز خوبی داشته باشید Samira0808 (talk) 10:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Reliability of Sources

If the reliability of Leonie Freida(..long story..) is based on the cited usage of her work then Kaveh Farrokh's works should also be considered reliable sources.

• Iran at War:1500-1988. [1] cited by 62. Cited at least once by Princeton University.

• A Synopsis of Sasanian Military Organization and Combat Units. [2] cited by 6. Cited by Cambridge University Journal, Anatolian Studies.

• The Armies of Ancient Persia: The Sassanians. [3] cited by 9. Cite at least once by Oxford University.

• Shadows in the Desert: Ancient Persia at War. [4] cited by 172. Cited at least once by Edinburgh University Press.

• The Siege of Amida (359 CE). [5] cite by 2. Cited at least once by Historia i Świat.

Just to name a few. Hope things are going well for you. Stay safe. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Cadusii

According to encyclopaedia iranica, cadusii were an iranian people, some other sources say they were non-iranian. non of these theories are proved, so you cant write they were neither iranian or non-iranian in the begining of an article!!! May you are probably judging history tendentiously??!! Arash2018m (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

None of the two (Iranica) citations refer the Cadusii as Iranian, and you didn't even bother to add a capital letter as if you were writing a Facebook message. Also, don't accuse me of nonsense, thanks. Last but not least: writing !!!!! or ???? or !!?!?!? doesn't make your message more valid. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Your opinion

When you have time, could you read through Philip III of France and give your opinion if it is GA material? Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure thing. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I'd say it's good for GA, though my only small gripe is that the 'Treaty with Navarre' section has one line, I would either merge it with the 'Reign' section or expand it if possible. Maybe a more detailed description of his infobox image as well, if it's a contemporary illustration or not, or where it's from. Though these are only minor gripes at best, and many GA reviewers probably wouldn't mind. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you very much! --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bahram II

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İ don't understand

What is problem with you? Why are you reverting all my changes on English Wikipedia? Seymur06 (talk) 14:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

There is no problem with me, please maintain a proper tone. Why am I reverting you? Well read my edit summaries. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

LissanX

Perhaps notifying Drmies would be more productive? Drmies blocked LissanX for personal attacks last time. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

True, perhaps I was a bit too fast with my report. Thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 04:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been at work. Leaving them an additional message and throwing their contributions into another tab. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

About the change in the Magi article

Hellp HistoryOfIran, may I ask why you deleted my example of language input from the Magi page? In my view it is very common to have a language list on such pages. I'd be happy to hear of you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RedurMaye

Hi. It's really irrelevant, and unsourced as well. This would be more relevant for the wiktionary. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Right. The wiktionary didn't come up to my mind. --RedurMaye (talk) 18:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Samarra

Hey HoI, I am currently rewriting the Battle of Samarra and was curious if you know of any other sources pertaining to the battle, perhaps something with a Sasanian perspective? It could possibly be called something else, its the battle Emperor Julian was wounded. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:35, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I don't have anything about the battle itself unfortunately, but I do have some stuff about the ideology/motives/aftermath during the whole Julian war, would that be of any help? It seems you already know about this source? War and Warfare in Late Antiquity --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I may have used that book, but I will check. Actually, ideology/motives/aftermath would be excellent! Anything you have would be great! --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Arsacids and Sasanians (from page 361) Sasanian Interactions with Rome and Byzantium (page 847-849), On the Rationale behind the Roman Wars of Šābuhr II the Great Sasanian Persia: The Rise and Fall of an Empire (page 19-20) --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Talysh Khanate after Treaty of Gulistan

Hello, HistoryofIran. I'm trying to map the Caucasus after Treaty of Gulistan , but in all sources I find, it says something along the lines of "Northern parts of Talysh Khanate was given to Russia after Gulistan and the rest after Turkmenchay" and this is very vague and impossible to map. So, I wanted to ask you if you have any sources or information that talks in more detail about what territories of Talysh khanate was lost after Treaty of Gulistan. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I've no idea, sorry. Perhaps @Benyamin: knows? --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I have. @CuriousGolden: Accidentally, I'm now working on the Talysh Khanate. The problem of Talysh borders is complicated. The Gulistan treaty was signed on the basis of the status quo ad presentem which meant that each side would remain in possession of territories under their control pending future negotiations (source). Since the situation in Talysh was still contested, specification of its borders was left for a subsequent commission, however it was not solved until 1860s.

This is a good map, which Mammadova 2007a used it. It shows the greatest extent of Talysh Khanate before the treaty of Gulistan. Out of eleven districts, at least, three coastal northern districts of this map (approximately the present-day districts of Masally and Lankaran) was ceded to Russia in 1813. The two western neighbors of these three, were not in a stable condition. I think we shall assume only the western parts of the present-day districts of Jalilabad and Lerik in Qajar hands. The other districts was under Qajar rule, until the next ruler of the Khanate regained all of the territory under the Iranian suzerainty on 1826.

Note that the Imperial/Soviet Russian sources are biased due the ethnic purges. They often named the Talysh Khanate as "Lankaran Khanate".

Benyamin (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey, thanks so much for replying! So, are you saying that after Gulistan, only modern-day territories of Masally District and Lankaran District were ceded to Russia and the rest (Yardymli District, Lerik District, Astara District and the adjacent provinces now in modern Iran) stayed under Qajar Iran's rule? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 15:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. Yes, and this situation remained until August 1826, when the present-day districts of Masally and Lankaran were retook by Iran.

Benyamin (talk) 19:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Salam Bera man Talysh hastam az Azarbaijan, afsus farsi khob balad nistam vali az mikham ye suale beparsem. Hi bro i want information about Cadusii or Gelae tribes. I know Gelae was Scythian tribe and greek called him Cadusii, another authurs wrotten Gelae same scythian legae. Sometimes i see article in internet about connection Gelae tribe with caucasian albania. Can u creat new article abot Gelae tribe like Cadusii? as to me i think Cadusii(Gelae) was scythian tribe and was same Cimmerians or Sarmatians may be Aorsi. In english wikipedia have not information about Gelae if u can and I'll be happy. Роман Арабов (talk) 21:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe in the future, I don't really have any sources about them atm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

About Hyrcania

In republic of Azerbaijan have very many names of Hyrcan , for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirkan_National_Park

I think Cadusii or Gelae were related with Hrcanians , Cadusian king was Watafarna same maybe Hyrcanian names. Роман Арабов (talk) 20:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

What we think is irrelevant, we need sources for this. Either way, Hyrcania has nothing to do with the history of Talish, they are situated in two completely different places. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Missing references in Hormizd II

The article cites "Daryaee 2009", "Brunner 2014", and "Wiesehöfer 2001" -- there are no such works in the bibliography. Can you please add? Renata (talk) 01:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Renata3: Ops, I've fixed it now. Thanks for letting me know! --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for your efforts to create and improve Iran's historical articles! از شما سپاس گزارم Editor7798 (talk) 01:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Kheili mamnoon :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:33, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Shapur III

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Medes

Hi! I would recommend to self-revert this[6]. Why make them look better than they are? The more behavioral evidence is openly visible (as long it is not a personal attack; this one isn't, it's a display of ignorance), the sooner it will fall back on them. I've dead ignored them in all their bulliness: User talk:Austronesier#Kurds and Medes :) –Austronesier (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

See my new ANI discussion

It's about the brou-ha-ha at Talk:Medes. Doug Weller talk 08:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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Mentioned at WP:AN3

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Mithridates I of Parthia

Hi HistoryofIran, I hope this message finds you well. I was going through some harv ref errors and found one on Mithridates I of Parthia, where ref 45 refers to the (presumably) incorrect publication. Of course normally I would simply change the year myself but in the case of this article I would be unsure wether the 2012 ref is for the 2013 or the 2010 (or maybe 2018?) publication. Clarification here would be much appreciated. Best - Aza24 (talk) 05:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: I've fixed it by changing the authors name - thanks for notifying me. Btw, how do you how find harv errors? Is there a certain program? I think I need to start using it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah and of course the answer was to fix the name and not the year... good thing I asked! As for harv refs, I use this script: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js that you can paste into your js page. It's fairly useful, the only annoyance is that when you "show preview" for a single section it will say that every ref has a harv error since the sfns aren't linking with the sources in later sections, but I don't find that a huge deal. Also, I have to add that I've been familiar with and have admired your work for a while now – especially to Arsaces I of Parthia, an especially valuable contribution. Aza24 (talk) 17:21, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, it will deffo be of use. And why thank you! I feel honored. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Sophene

What do you think about these changes?[7] - LouisAragon (talk) 02:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Tbf I think by 'native', the user meant native language of the population and not dynasty. But yeah I think it looks good. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I figured. But I think the word "native" is somewhat misleading for such mixed kingdoms like Sophene (or Osroene, for example). If you've got time to further expand the article (esp. about culture/language), then please, be my guest. Awesome output as usual mate. - LouisAragon (talk) 02:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Also this:[8]-[9] - LouisAragon (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Kashmar

Hello, I hope you remember me I do not speak English well But I like to have activities on the English wik, I made extensive edits to the Kashmar article And I like this article to be good Can you help me brother?

Fire Temple of Kashmar

And brother, I feel that Wikipedia needs such an article and I can not create an article Can you help, please read here. Thank you very much brother M.k.m2003 (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Well I would like to, but I can't find any (English) source on a so-called Fire Temple of Kashmar. I do however know of a Cypress of Kashmar. I can't read the Persian script, so I can't use Persian sources. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:55, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh Yes, I think we should be carefree! But can you help me with the Kashmar article? M.k.m2003 (talk) 13:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't have any sources about the city either, and I'm not really too big on editing city articles, especially ones that still exist. Maybe in the future. However, I can help you with the flow of the article if that helps. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :) M.k.m2003 (talk) 13:11, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I need help

Can u help with this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelae_(Scythian_tribe) and add new information? Роман Арабов (talk) 22:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

No, I already told you that those sources you used were not WP:RS, the same applies here. There's no such thing as a 'Gelae Scythian tribe', and thus I can't help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan

Have you looked at the recent edits on Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan by Keywan faramarzi? If so, would you say that Keywan faramarzi's edits are ok? Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 23:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vif12vf: I removed it from my watchlist, as I got tired of him and his colleagues spamming the article. But i doubt it - looking at the article, there are three (new) citations on the lede on the part which refers them as communists, but for some reason Keywan is trying to push a social democracy narrative, whether it's somewhat true or not. Not to mention he has already made it clear that he is affiliated with the party, that and his edit warring makes it a bit hard to have good faith in him. Wasn't he told to take his concerns to the talk page? He doesn't seem to have done that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Evidently not, so i might remove it right away. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh, apparently User:LouisAragon has already reverted it! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Freedom of the press in Iran

Hello. Almost every country have "freedom of the press" article... but we can't found freedom of the press in Iran article. Please create one about Iran. Thanks. Hamid00087 (talk) 12:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but I can't write about something that doesn't exist in Iran. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Peroz I

Hello my friend; Do you have time to improve the article Peroz I?! If this article becomes GA, it will be a great achievement. Thanks Editor7798 (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I do plan to make it GA in the future. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hamdallah Mustawfi

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Mithridates map

Hey, can you elaborate on your critique of my map, so that I can fix it and add it back? The only mistake I noticed was the mixed positions of Elymais and Characene, but seems like you meant something else. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 22:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

The map is lacking provinces, atm it looks like provinces such as Parthia or Aria (which was around Herat, not Sistan) encompassed a vast amount of territory (or is that intentional?). Merv isn't in Bactria. I'm sorry, but the map isn't too pleasant to the eyes either. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

They aren't meant to be provinces, just loose regions to depict conquest. I realize Merv was in Satrapy of Margiana, not Satrapy of Bactria; Western Bactria refers to the western portion of Greco-Bactrian Kingdom, even the article refers to his conquest as "Western Bactria". I'm sorry you don't like the art of my map, what would you change? I could add satellite image, it would enlarge the file size though. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 12:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, it still looks like the whole purple region was part of Aria for example, or blue region being part of Fars, due to the depiction of Babylonia in yellow etc, that's deffo needs to be improved imo. Western Bactria is around Balkh. If I'm not mistaken the eastern borders under Mithridates I were the same as Mithridates II, perhaps this could be of help? [10] Perhaps you could make the borders more defined? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what exactly did you mean but I did some adjustments, I seriously doubt it was the same under Mithridates II, seem kinda unlikely. I don't really want to make the borders too detailed, because we can't be sure about exact borders. Go-Chlodio (talk) 01:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, both ruled as far as India and also ruled Western Bactria, doesn't seem unlikely to me. Also, we do have somewhat of an idea what the borders looked like, as I did base my map on sources. The eastern borders are still very inaccurate. Isfahan/Gabae was part of Media, not Persis (Persis was around this size [11]). Atropatene did not extend that much to the north, etc. Adiabene seems to have been conquered as well per Sophene, Gordyene, and Adiabene: Three Regna Minora of Northern Mesopotamia Between East and West and The Persian Empire: A Historical Encyclopedia [2 volumes]: A Historical Encyclopedia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Good observations, but in my map the conquest already spans to the Indus river, which is what the article says, I don't know about eastern conquest beyond that, if you do, please add it to the article.
So, according to The Persian Empire: A Historical Encyclopedia [2 volumes], the extend of the eastern border is disputed, thus I reckon it's worth representing. Do you have any issues with this? --Go-Chlodio (talk) 17:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, no, because it isn't disputed. If Mithridates ruled as far as India, that would be through Gedrosia and Arachosia as they're in the way. I lost of my Parthian sources not so long ago due to f'ing my computer up (including two maps), but I quickly found this; Later on, the land was under the control of the Seleucid Antiochus III, Demetrius of Bactria (seemingly the founder of Demetrias), and the Parthian king Mithridates I. The desert in Iran isn't that big, you might as well color over it too. Armenia was more or less this size [12] under Mithridates I too, so the northwestern borders need to be reduced. Regarding Adiabene (from the Sophene, Gordyene and Adiabene source, you can download it on Pdfdrive for free): It is not clear as to what the status of Adiabene was at that time. However, there can be no doubt that Adiabene was first conquered by Mithradates I in ca. 145–141 BCE. Also, is it possible to change the angle of the map back to normal? Other than that, this is a huge improvement. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I will give you Arachosia, but the dispute I mentioned seems to apply more to Gedrosia:
"Accordingly to classical sources, the conquest of the Arscadid monarch brought Parthian armies to the mouth of the Indus River in Sind in present-day Pakistan, while at least one scholar has expressed serious doubt that the power of Mithridates extended so far into the kingdom of the Greco-Bactrian kings"
Regarding desert, I have reduced it and added labels for Great Salt Desert, Lut Desert, Sagartia, and Kharan desert. It's my preference that terra nullius wouldn't be depicted as conquered, I believe it gives a better geopolitical understanding. I couldn't find any cities from those regions, so I don't see their depiction as sensible. Regarding Sagartia, far as I know don't have much information about it; it seems to have ruled by nomads at some point, but there is no confirm that Mithridates had authority there.
And sure, I'll change the angle back.
How's this?--Go-Chlodio (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Hatra should be removed, as it was insignificant during that time, if it even existed. Nishapur, Shiragan and Siraf are Sasanian foundations, so they should be removed as well. Babylon and Seleucia were neighbouring cities, so they need to be moved together. Arshak = Assak, Alexandria Aria = Aria, Merv = Marw. Europos = Rhages, or Arsacia (Rhages). Isfahan = Gabae. Balkh = Bactra. Darreh Shahr is a modern name, needs to be renamed to what it was known as or removed (I was thinking about adding as well on my maps, but couldnt find anything regarding its Parthian period). Not sure what Aran is? Slight typo at Nisibis. I've never heard of Sagartia during that time, do you have any source(s) about it? Otherwise looking pretty sweet! --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Sagartia: From this, we can deduce that they must have lived somewhere east or northeast of the Persians, and the oasis of Yazd is a good guess. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this has to do with the Parthians? It's just information where they lived under the Achaemenids. Either way, Livius is not WP:RS. Or are the very least of very low quality. We have much better sources than that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:04, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

It's just a geographic region, not an actual nation, by this time the Sagartians had migrated to the Urals. There is no evidence that nobody lived in Yazd region at this point, but I could rename the label or remove it. Also why isn't Livious a reliable source? It's written by a historian, no?--Go-Chlodio (talk) 10:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say that Iran was conquered by Mithridates I, there's no source that states otherwise, i.e. Sagartia was independent or something like that. An amateur historian yes, his work is not cited anywhere in the academic circles as far as I know. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Many of these maps make the mistake of depicting every exclave as conquered which doesn't respond to reality. Even if he conquered all of Iran, I wouldn't still color it because I don't want color wasteland for the reason I have already stated, I there is no reason to believe it was a wasteland at this time, unless you can a name city in that region that existed at this point in time.
How is he an amateur historian? He has a master of art degree in history.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Not sure I understand, we still talking about Sagartia? If Sagartia wasn't a wasteland, then why not color it? Besides, Sagartia (which certainly wasn't a thing under the Parthians) was more east than what it is currently placed now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:05, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes. There is no evidence it wasn't a wasteland. Sagartians were nomads and we don't know that they or anybody else lived there at this time. Even if they did, there is no evidence that Mithridates had any power over them, even if he dominated the surrounding area.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Why would it be a wasteland? --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Why would it not be? There are no know cities there during that time. Yazd Province is mostly a desert minus the oasis.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 01:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but that's just assuming. There are two deserts in Iran, which you already have covered. There are generally not many known cities in the Parthian realm. Btw, perhaps this excellent well sourced map might be of help for the desert(s). [13]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

It is as assuming as to assume it wasn't a wasteland. Most of Yazd province is covered by those deserts. The 11th-century map doesn't really help, considering all those cities within Yazd province would have been founded centuries later.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I rest my case (I can't view all of the book so here are some bits);

"Gaius Plinius Secundus (Pliny the Elder, d. 79 CE), in his Natural History, mentioned a town of the Parthian period called Issatis, which would seem to correspond with the tribal name of the Asagarta/Istachae/Sagartians"

"The Tabula notes a Parthian way station called Cetrora (perhaps derived from chora), along a road heading easterward from Hamadan. THe place name Cetrora has been compared with an Islamic era toponym Kata/(Kata/Kasa, meaning 'hollow' and hence 'valley' from Old Iranian and Avestan kata-, 'enclosure', for Yazd. Indeed, much later, the fourth/tenth century Muslim geographer al-Istahri mentioned Kata as the hawma ('main urban area') of Yazd in his Kitab al-Masalik wa'l-Mamalik, 'Book of Routes and Countries', while placing the city and its hinterland within the Kirman administratiove province. But it is unclear whether the Yazd area fell within the south-western-most part of Parthia (Parthua, Paraetacene, Parthyene) sahr or rather the northwestern-most part of Kirman (Karmania) sahr, during the reigns of the Parthian kings. It could have ben reassigned from Parthia to Kirman, an administrative shift which would explain the divergence in provicinial allocation between the Strabo's (d. post 21 CE) account in his first century Geography, and Ptomely's subsequent account in the second century Geography."

"Despite the failure to appear in extant pre-Islamic Iranian documents, the area of Yazd did not remain a backwater."

--HistoryofIran (talk) 13:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, then. Now everything is good? Map. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 11:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Sagartia needs to be removed, as its ancient area would have been part of other provinces during that time. The provinces of Carmania and Drangiana also need to be added. Ctesiphon and Nisa are missing, arguably some of the most important Parthian royal cities of that time, especially the latter, which is atm outside Parthian territory in the map. Gedorosia -> Gedrosia. I think that's about it. Map is looking very good! --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The final. I also gave you credit for your help on Wikimedia.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Karka d-Ledan

Hello, I was meaning to translate this article but I didn't but is the exact term of it in Farsi, would you please elobrate ? Mardetanha (talk) 20:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure I understand. The name is of Aramaic origin. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure if you have Persian keyboard or not, but I wonder how is it written in Farsi Mardetanha (talk) 21:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Oooh, I don't know sorry. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I did some research and I came up with this, I assume this should be the name of the city, correct me if I am wrong Mardetanha (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes it seems. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

hmm, I have created the article but now I found this, I am not sure if they same thing or not Mardetanha (talk) 22:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It seems to be per The Archaeology of Elam: Formation and Transformation of an Ancient Iranian State, page 425 This is the Karka d’Ledan of the Nestorian sources, a city long identified with the site of Ivan-e Kerkha, c. 17 km northwest of Susa --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I just saw the talk page of the article and it seems it is really confusing, I have asked a friend who is PhD student at the University of Tehran on Iranian history to take a look and probably help, though you are also an expert on the subject, Thanks for your time Mardetanha (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It is confusing indeed, Karkha/Karka/Karkheh was a typical Aramaic city name and thus we have lots of ancient cities with that name. Feel free to ask if there is anything else. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks and sure Mardetanha (talk) 23:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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I need your help bro

Hi bro, can u help me with this article ? I cann not to write because i have nom many sources. If you help me I will be glad. Thank u broFaradzhoffEma (talk) 22:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

No sorry, this is not my field of expertise. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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EI2

I have all EI2 volumes on my pc. I can send all of them if you need. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I would greatly appreciate that :o --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

For some reason I can't send it as a Cloud file nor through Dropbox, even though I've done so before. I hope Cplakidas can help us out. Sorry for the nuisance, Kostas. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi to both. I've emailed a link to HistoryofIran. No worries, LouisAragon. Constantine ✍ 07:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Just so you know

See here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Peroz I

Should WP Armenia, Georgia, Central Asia and Caucasia be added to Peroz I or would you say its irrelevant? - LouisAragon (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I would say they're pretty relevant. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Please do add additional WP's to articles about Sasanian rulers if you think any are missing. - LouisAragon (talk) 09:36, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

[14]-[15] - LouisAragon (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I've looked at the source and its author, not sure what to think tbh. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah thats what I thought as well. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Sabuktigin

Hello HistoryofIran! Could you please help me with a thing? I started translating Sabuktigin to wiki.pt. and the article says Sabuktigin was son of Qara Bajkam, but the source provided does not show the information to check. On the other hand, this book citing a primary source says he was fon of Juq ibn Qara Bajkam, not Qara Bajkam, who was his grandfather if we follow the genealogy. Any idea?--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: Hi. The source used in English version does not seem very WP:RS imho (including many others), so I guess you're better of using that source. Otherwise than his role in the Samanid state I really don't know much else about Sabuktigin tbh, so unfortunately I don't think I can be of much help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Missing cite in Peroz I

The article cites "Martindale 1980" but no such source is listed in the bibliography. It also cites "Payne 2015" but unclear if it's "Payne 2015a" or "Payne 2015b". Can you please fix? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 03:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --HistoryofIran (talk) 08:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Khalji dynasty

Hi i see that you reverted my edit and possibly left a comment but can you explain what part of my edit was unsourced ? Is my edit unsourced? Can you please explain the revert as it is unjustified and i am not using any other account. Kami2018 (talk) 04:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

You added unsourced info (But the distance between the Amu Darya and the Talas is such as it would have been impossible for the tribes living beyond the Amu Darya to use the Talas pastures as winter quarters, leading to the conclusion that the text has been corrupted somehow or that some Khalaj still lived near the Khallukh at the time.), altered sourced info (They were ethnic turks but they were wrongly treated is your own words) --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

The first part was not my edit rather was part of the article before and i have no issue in removing that. But the second part is clearly mentioned in the sources below and i dont see anywhere it to be mentioned like this "They were treated entirely as Afghans by the Turkic nobles of the Delhi Sultanate during the reign of the Khalji Sultanate." Also if you look at the entire origin section which you reverted is clearly mentioned in the sources. I would appreciate if you could at least correct the article according to the references. Thankyou Kami2018 (talk) 22:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Meh, seems legit. It seems I am in the wrong here - sorry for accusing of you pov-pushing and indicating that you were possibly a sock (doing my research now, you've clearly been here for some time), been reverting too much disruption recently so I'm a bit too trigger happy on the words (which is obviously not a good excuse). Thanks for being the professional one here, feel free to add the sourced bit back (I would do it myself, but I'm afraid I might f it up, since I'm not too familiar with the article). --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Sami Yusuf

What you said on my talk page about the IP editing is exactly the way I saw it, but in this kind of situation I like to write in an AGF kind of way to the editor in question. As for the new account you mention, I think it's so near to certain that it's the same person that we can assume it is. I've posted a couple of warnings to that editor's talk page. I suggest that in this kind of situation you might post messages to the relevant talk page (IP talk page or account's talk page). There are several advantages in doing so, including the following. (1) There is just a chance that it might lead the editor to stop. (2) If the editor doesn't stop, it's much easier for an administrator to take action if the editor has had adequate warnings; otherwise it is likely that the process will begin with the first warning at a time when we might instead have already gone past that stage and moved on to other steps. As far as this case is concerned, if you see any more problematic editing from the same person (whether by an account or by IP editing) please feel very welcome to let me know, and I'll consider whether anything needs to be done. JBW (talk) 21:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah good idea. I've been here for almost a decade and still haven't properly bothered to post these kind of messages, that really needs to change. First question that comes to mind - where can I find these kind of messages? The one you just added in the talk page of the user for example, I assume I can find it on some guideline page? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, here's some information about the warning template messages. You may already know some of this; if so just ignore it.

The first important point is that you don't have to use the standard messages. I very often write my own messages, because they can be made more appropriate for the particular situation. Of course the disadvantage of that is that it takes longer to write, and so quite often if I think one of the standard ones is good enough then I use one of those. However, in my experience very often new editors get warning messages which really don't tell them what is the problem with their editing, because an editor just posts a generic message saying something vague such as that their editing "did not appear constructive", and while in many cases it must be obvious what the problem was, at other times a new editor may honestly not know what the objection is. With the best will in the world they can't stop doing whatever is wrong if they don't know what it is that's wrong. For that reason I do urge you to consider whether one of the standard templated messages is good enough or not, rather than just blindly using them.

To answer your question, the standard user page warnings are all listed at Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace. Unfortunately there is a huge number of them, making it difficult to find the one you want. If you use them at all often you will fairly soon learn the ones that you use most, so you don't have to keep looking for them, but you may like to have a user space page with a short list of the few that you think you are most likely to use.

Many (though not all) of the messages come in several different levels, from level one to level four. Don't make the mistake that many editors make of thinking that there's some sort of rule that says you have to start with a level one warning, and then follow with level two, and so on. In fact I almost never use level one warnings at all.

If you don't have much experience of using the warning templates it may help if I illustrate how to use the templates. Taking for example the level two vandalism template, Template:vandalism2, the most basic use is to post {{subst:vandalism2}} on the user's talk page, but if you want to add a mention of the page where the vandalism took place you can add a vertical bar followed by the title of the page, and if you want to add your own message in place of the default "Thank you" at the end of the message you can add a second vertical bar and then your message. Personally I find "Thank you" at the end of a warning about vandalism silly, so I like to over-ride that. Also most often I don't bother with linking to the page that's been vandalised, as if there's only one then it's obvious which it is, and if there's more than one then I don't want to single out just one for mention. Consequently I most often use something like {{subst:vandalism2||~~~~}} which puts no link to a vandalised page, and my signature, with no "thank you". Obviously that's just my own preference, and you will decide for yourself how to use the templates.

Well, there you are. As I said, you may already know some of that, and if so ignore it. Some of it you may not know but also not find helpful; ignore that too. I hope at least some of it will be helpful to you, though. JBW (talk) 22:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for this very helpful message! Appreciate it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	★✪☆Thanks for everything.☆✪★ I can only say that!!! . Good luck to you...🌟🖤 Waltex40 (talk) 08:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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True that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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hey

Instead of reverting my edit, maybe you should address me on the talk page first where i left a comment? And there is no citation for "80 Tajik" either. Akmal94 (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Instead of changing the long established revision, maybe you should address this issue on the talk page and wait for consensus? HistoryofIran (talk)

I did reach out on the talk page but nobody responded so i went away and removed it myself. There was no citation for it either which was a green flag for me to go ahead and remove it. If i show you a source, will that be ok? Akmal94 (talk) 07:01, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

[16] That's not reaching out, that's complaining. You wrote that comment at 18:26, and edited the article at 18:30. So you waited 4 minutes, how do you expect to get a response in such short period and with that comment? Also, you didn't remove it, you changed it to something else. Yes, if you have a reliable source go ahead and change it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

It was not complaining, it was me trying to address the obvious flaw with the number because it wasn't sourced. Second, you just reverted my edit on "Pashtuns" may i know the reason you believe it was "disruption?" I reverted the Genetic section because its a mess created by a user called "pashtunfacts." Akmal94 (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Feel free to ask any other user here and they will give you the same answer as me. If that was you trying to address the situation, then please do it in a lighter manner next time. And no, you certainly didn't revert the genetic section, you do realize I can see what you removed and didn't? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:05, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Whyyyyyyy!

• Safavid dynasty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Why did you remove my arrangement EVERYTİME? do you have a reason? or are you a 12-year-old ultranationalist Persian? Firatlal (talk) 22:10, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I did state in my edit summary why. @EdJohnston:, I don't think this user is here to WP:BUILDWP.

Some other examples besides the praise I've just received here;

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--HistoryofIran (talk) 22:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I left a note for the editor. EdJohnston (talk) 04:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Caucasian crosses nominated for deletion

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