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Welcome[edit]

Hello, Get-Yer Done, and Welcome to Wikipedia!

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Stéphanie Plante (November 24)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Curb Safe Charmer were:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Please read WP:NPOL.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:38, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the page with cited reference and external link to bio. Get-Yer Done (talk) 21:56, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Stéphanie Plante (November 24)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by KylieTastic were:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
KylieTastic (talk) 22:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Stéphanie Plante (November 25)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ingenuity was:
This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:
Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
No evidence of notability. Local politicians are rarely notable—see WP:NPOL.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
— Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 15:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have resubmitted my draft article. I sure hope this gets approved so I can chill and work up further info to include in the next few days. The reason I am doing this is because Mathieu Fleury wiki page mentions Stéphane Plante and it is not linked yet. Get-Yer Done (talk) 19:14, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

November 2022[edit]

Copyright problem icon Your edit to Draft:Stéphanie Plante has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 06:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Stéphanie Plante (November 26)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Curb Safe Charmer was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Still fails WP:NPOL. Please write in your own words rather than copying text from elsewhere.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 06:30, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest[edit]

Information icon Hello, Get-Yer Done. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Stéphanie Plante, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have put my disclosure in as per the guidelines and submitted in my own words a complete redraft. This all brings back memories of being a University and spending hours on citations for a paper you had to submit. Yikes, but I understand. Get-Yer Done (talk) 20:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Stéphanie Plante (January 4)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:
Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Stéphanie Plante instead.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Please compare and combine article and draft.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
Robert McClenon (talk) 06:59, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am not understanding the process[edit]

The draft article I submitted was awaiting review. I have all notifications on but did not see the contributions from the other person until I got your notification this morning advising to merge them. What I am really confused about is the reasoning..."but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia". I have been waiting since November 30th for my article to be reviewed. Yes I understand that others can contribute to the article I submitted for review but how does their contribution get recognized as an "article" and my draft I have been waiting on review get 'not accepted'. Simplistically this seems to me someone taking your 'idea' to create said article and jumping the cue to getting it publish and now I am asked to "merge" to that article.

Should there not have been some "notification" and they merging with my draft. Sorry to bother you, but I was told by others that have gone through this process to have wiki pages accepted that being the "first" one to create it is very important since it gets them the ability to closely monitor "malicious" edits to the approved article.

Any guidance would be appreciated as I am new to the whole "wiki" process and struggle to understand it. I do understand "nobody" owns an article, but I think it is important to give credit where credit is do and I want to understand if my draft article was 'hijacked" or is it me not understanding the "process".

Thank you, Get-Yer Done (talk) 13:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anybody can edit Wikipedia, and the author that created Stéphanie Plante may have not known that you were working on a draft article about the same person. Now that there is already an article you should review your version and identify any significant information that is in your draft but not in the mainspace version and then add those bits in. It looks like the other editor is very experienced and authorised to add articles directly into Wikipedia without having to go through a review process. You can add the article to your watchlist, enabling you to keep an eye on it in the same way that the creator can. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:18, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, I find it hard to believe the other author that created Stéphanie Plante may not have known. My draft has been in the queue over 30 days for all to see. I started my drafts within a week of the elections. Their edits indicate a Dec 30th edits and just today I get a notifications to play along and merge my draft and essentially be thankful. Well they my be a very experienced editor as I have reviewed and have no opinion of them.... the part that they are "then authorized to add articles directly speaks of nepotism within the wiki's management on this "for everyone" platform. I as I declared in the submission of my drafts I was asked to write the article by Councillor Plante working with her on text. This article well may be well "referenced" but it has not been seen by the "living person" who this article is about. Therefore I will not merge my draft article until I have informed the councillor of this situation and her guidance is provided.
Again respectfully, the original author Get-Yer Done (talk) 19:23, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'm the one that created the article. I've created articles on most Ottawa city councillors. As an experienced editor and admin, I don't have to go through the draft submission process. I did notice the draft page, but I also noticed that there was a conflict of interest tagged there, so I thought it was best to start the article from scratch to ensure it would be from the neutral point of view. Of course I do not own the article, so you're welcome to add to it and to fix any mistakes, though everything in the article has been properly sourced, so if there are any factual errors, you will need to find a different source to back it up.-- Earl Andrew - talk 06:17, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I will be seeing the councillor and her chief of staff tomorrow to discuss this and other matters. We are open to working with you as I said to make the article factually correct and neutral. I had not included some of the materials you have since that information wasn't available in November and I had planned to update the draft after its approval .... which I was under the impression could taken up to ninety days. The conflict of interest was declared in the draft submission so that shouldn't have raised any eyebrows. I was even trolled very early in the process by someone who would gladly write the article for me after my first "rejection"... if compensated. I reported that incident.
I admit I am a complete newbie to wiki and its processes, but I also have written many published papers in my life for COSEWIC, have a BSc and worked for over 30 years in the Federal Govt as a scientist. To be honest, I followed the process and would have been elated if someone like yourself would have contributed and supported the my draft as I am sure it would have been approved expeditiously. As in your words and wikis ..."no one owns an article", however, I think if someone follows the process and the article gets it approved they would feel a sense of accomplishment like I did when I had my first published paper back in the 1980's. I will not be able to feel that sense of accomplishment now but I am up for the challenge as you say to backup my words with sources to fix some of the factual errors in your article. Get-Yer Done (talk) 13:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In my view your draft was somewhere off being accepted as an article, partly due to inexperience and partly due to the conflict of interest. It is difficult to write an article of the quality that Earl Andrew has produced when you are meeting with the subject of the article to discuss what she wants included or left out. I suggest you move on from being upset about the time you invested, and if you want to continue as an editor that is Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia then find something else to write about.
Now that there's an article about the councillor in the main part of Wikipedia which can be linked to and searched for, rather than a draft which is effectively 'off to one side', the guidance that you should familiarise yourselves with is WP:AUTO#IFEXIST which is about how to improve the article, and WP:AUTOPROB which is for dealing with problems such as inaccuracies or lack of neutrality. You will need to make WP:EDITREQUESTs on the article talk page if you think something needs to be removed, amended or added to the article, rather than editing it directly. An uninvolved, impartial, experienced editor will be along in due course to review your request. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:38, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So if an administrator "stole from draft" what are the consequences[edit]

My draft article was in process. I was expecting it to be considered. A wiki admin took move my content to "namespace". I reviewed the his comments and others that told me to either proof it with references and not get upset. A reference in said admin was he "stole from draft". I then asked to merge my draft in 60 days. There is a song about people like Earl and his followers. ENOUGH. You should be mentors of newbies....not stalkers of us. Get-Yer Done (talk) 23:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@EarlAndrew: I think Get-Yer Done is referring to you. Get-Yer Done, you are a welcome guest here, but anyone who edits needs to abide by the rules of this community, and that includes assuming good faith of other editors. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Wiki Administrator 'stole from draft' (January 15)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Numberguy6 was:
We're sorry, but we cannot accept blank submissions. If in fact you did include text within the article, but it isn't showing, please make sure that any extra text above your entry is removed, as it may be causing it to hide and not be shown to the reviewer.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
Numberguy6 (talk) 05:32, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse![edit]

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Hello! Get-Yer Done, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Liz Read! Talk! 06:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Stéphanie Plante[edit]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 07:02, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Stéphanie Plante[edit]

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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 06:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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