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The fabricated "emo."[edit]

I just wanted to put this out here... emo is such an overused phrase by now that it pretty much has no meaning. Also, many people define what an emo band is by eliminating bands that are any other genre. This doesn't really work, because the same band could be described as a couple different genres. Having said this, this is what I believe:

Emo IS:
-Sub genre of punk/ hardcore.
-Est. mid 80's.
-Abbreviation of &formerly known as "emotive hardcore"
-Unwed Sailor, Appleseed Cast, Cursive, Sunny Day Real Estate, A Day In Black And White, etc...
Emo ISN'T:
-Hawthorne Heights, Senses Fail, From First To Last, My Chemical Romance, The Used, etc...

Thank you. jf 03:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You know, if you're going to act like you're all-knowledgeable about something, at least pretend to be knowledgeable about it.
Emo was:
  1. Established in 1985.
  2. An abbreviation of "emotional hardcore". The term "emotive hardcore" didn't even exist until 1996, and was never a widely-used abbreviation.
There was an entire generation of emo before the bands you listed, including Rites of Spring and Embrace.
Oh, and, more often than not, "emo" has been used by others to describe music, rather than being a defined music genre. Right now, "emo" is being used to describe all of the bands you say emo isn't. Not a whole lot that can be done about it.
All of this is covered in Emo (music), if you'd spent a couple of minutes reading it.
You know what constantly kills me? The part about "emotive hardcore". I've seen so many high school age folks scream at other people that "emo" means "emotive hardcore". They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
Pass the word around - anyone who says "emo" has always meant "emotive hardcore" is just as stupid as the folks who claim that My Chemical Romance is the best emo band in the world. -- ChrisB 05:00, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your correction, although I must say that I resent being called stupid. This is just what I've always learned.
By the way, I just noticed some discussion on the other topics in my list and put them up so I could see what others thought, even though they were covered in the article.jf 21:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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I was thinking that the Milk allergy page needed some work when you added the expert tag. I have a severe anaphylactic allergy to milk and a lot of information from FAAN (Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network) about milk allergies. I was also thinking of adding a section with differences between lactose intolerance and milk allergy. I also noticed that food intolerance redirects to food allergy, so I was going to write a food intolerance article. Since they are very different conditions, I thought it was a bit misleading for it to redirect to food allergy. I'd appreciate if you replyed with your thoughts. jf 17:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a little confused. I wasn't proposing a redirect. I just cleaned it up and added an expert tag. Yanksox (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yes, but whenever you added the tag, I became excited and thought of more things that needed fixing. Just curious what you thought. jf 17:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know too much about the subject, and I tried my best to clean it up. It does seem a little messy and confusing. It does need some revamping, I say go for the gold as long as you can prove it. Yanksox (talk) 17:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Imogiri[edit]

Could you please explain what you had in mind for putting a cleanup on the art? It would be useful to know before it gets descended upon by editors who know nothing about the place (as happens for topics on things to do with Java  :) . Also, clearing away a stub makes it an orphan - is that really necessary? Please respond. Ta. ---- (this comment was added by Vcxlor at 10:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks for your response regarding my removal of the stub tag and addition of the cleanup tag. According to the definition of a stub by Wikipedia: Stub the Imogiri article does not meet the qualifications of a stub article. The purpose of the stub tag is to draw the attention of editors to provide more information. It has enough information to make a quality article, although I think it needs extensive work (especially in sentence structure) and some wikification. I hope this clears things up, but feel free to reply with your thoughts. This comment is posted on both of our talk pages. cøøkiə Ξ (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding, I understand your point. It might take a bit of time, and I appreciate your comments. If only all wiki was as "agreeable"! SatuSuro 08:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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