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Haile Selassie[edit]

Can you please provide me any real source that say that Haile Selassie ethnic is “disputed”? You are felling to propaganda lies! Are you Ethiopian?? Kobo3737 (talk) 13:40, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quote: ‘‘Haile Selassie's direct male line originated from the Amhara people. But he also had Oromo, Tigray and Gurage roots.’’[1]
Quote: "Makonnen's father, Wolde Mikael, was a nobleman from eastern Tigray. Haile Selassie's ancestry thus included Tigrayan, Oromo and Amhara antecedents, the three principal ethnic strains of Ethiopia, and Muslims as well as Christians, the two principal religions."[2]
Quote: "To take one striking example: Emperor Haile Selassie's father's father was Oromo; his father's mother was Amhara: his mother's father was Oromo, and his mother's mother was Gurage. In a patrilineal society he would have been classed as Oromo, in a matrilineal one as Gurage; but to all intents and purposes he was Amhara, and it was his descent from his father's mother, a member of the Shoan royal house, that provided the genealogical basis for his claim to the Imperial throne."[3]
Quote: "When the Emperor's body was exhumed the royal family reportedly refused to submit it to forensic examination. This may have been because of a superstition that if the body of the monarch were to be tampered with other members of the family would die; or it may have been due to fears that tests could expose irregularities in the tangled bloodline of the Solomonic dynasty, where there are many cases of disputed paternity. Now that the Emperor is buried it is fairly certain that there will never be an autopsy, nor a DNA test."[4]
Quote:  ‘‘In her book The First Rasta Helen Lee the French female journalist claims that Haile Selassie considered himself to be in her words ‘‘white’’ a European, nothing could be further from the truth Selassie claimed an Amharic heritage which is a very African ethnic group.’’[5]
Quote: "Ras Makonnen, then, was of a noble Shewan family and his wife Woizero Yeshimabet, whom he married in in 1875, was the daughter of a Galla balabat and a former slave girl named Waleté Girogis, whose previous liaisons had been with Ras Dargé and a lesser chieftain who had been hanged for rebelling against Menelik. This girl, Tafari's maternal grandmother, was of Guragé descent. The Guragé hail from an area south-west of Addis Ababa and though very industrious are often looked down upon. To this day Hailé Sellassié is apt to remark with a smile that he is a Guragé and after the liberation he ordered that the market cry 'Guragé!', to attract a casual labourer or porter, be replaced by 'Coolie!'"[6]
There's at least seven sources including the Amharic book you mentioned that are at variance on this point which is why the article states that his paternal lineage is disputed. Now I'm not saying that your theory is wrong, I'm saying that the Wikipedia guidelines (specifically Wikipedia:No original research) should be followed. Czar Petar I (talk) 15:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haile Selassie background[edit]

There are no real sources whatsoever that mention Haile Selassie is ether Oromo or Tigray. if you will refer to Paul B. Henze then this guy is not a reliable source. He is not an Historian. He is a former CIA worker that decided to write on Ethiopia. someone tell me what actual source mentioned Haile Selassie paternal as dispute? there is none! Haile Selassie paternal family are all from shewa. 46.31.101.86 (talk) 08:39, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are no real sources whatsoever that mention Ras makonnen is ether Oromo or Tigray. if you will refer to Paul B. Henze then this guy is not a reliable source. He is not an Historian. He is a former CIA worker that decided to write on Ethiopia. someone tell me what actual source mentioned Haile Selassie paternal as dispute? there is none! Haile Selassie paternal family are all from shewa. Ray8371 (talk) 08:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just left you a message on the talk page of Emperor Haile Selassie. Ray8371 (talk) 08:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Bridgette, Kasuka (2012). Prominent African Leaders Since Independence. p. 19. ISBN 9781470043582.
  2. ^ Henze, Paul B (2001). Layers of time a history of Ethiopia. New York: Palgrave. p. 189.
  3. ^ Woodward, Peter (1994), Conflict and Peace in the Horn of Africa: federalism and its alternatives. Dartmouth Pub. Co. ISBN 1-85521486-5, p. 29.
  4. ^ Ryle, John. "Burying the Emperor". johnryle.com. Granta Magazine. Retrieved 8 March 2022.
  5. ^ Bailey, Wade (2007). Rastafari and It's Shamanist Origin's. Lulu.com. p. 10. ISBN 9781847993250.
  6. ^ Greenfield, Richard (1965). Ethiopia: A New Political History. United States of America: Frederick A. Praeger Inc. Publishers. pp. 147–148.
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