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Happy editing! Cheers, Doug Weller talk 14:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
April 2024[edit]
Hello, I'm Doug Weller. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Young Earth creationism seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 14:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller Hello, Doug Weller! Could you please specify where the edition has failed the requirements of neutral point of view policies? Cornelius Benedictus (talk) 13:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Because we use secondary sources where we have them, not fringe. If you want to complain, go to WP:NPOVN. Doug Weller talk 14:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate your considerations, nevertheless, neutral point of view and verifiability are different policies, and should not be confused. About verifiability, there is surely a point of discussion about to what extent should be used the self-description of an organization, even though it is admissible in such cases as I have done, according to the Content Policies: Wikipedia: Verifiability: Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves. In contrast, there is nothing I can see at the edition that might be considered as a violation of the neutral point of view, since my edition was about non-contentious issues, i.e., characteristics of the organization, not about the validity of the organization's proposals. Again, if there was any fail about the requeriments of neutral point of view policies, I respectfully ask that you might provide which violations would be these. Cornelius Benedictus (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm hardly going to be confused between NPOV and verifiability. With respect, I have about 250,000 edits. There are various discussion boards where you can get a second opinion. The best place to discuss WP:FRINGE issues, which this is, is WP:FTN. I've got nothing more to say. Doug Weller talk 15:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller I understand your point. However, how would I be able to question an accusation of NPOV policy's violation if it is unspecified? If there was really any violation, its general framework should not be difficult to indicate, without the need to resort solely to an argumentum ad verecundiam. Cornelius Benedictus (talk) 15:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- By citing Argument by authority are you actually arguing with our WP:V policy? Anyway, I've taken this to WP:FTN#Can someone help a new editor using Creationist sources that I reverted?, You'll sees there that I didn't revert your second relevant edit, just warned you. I'm busy now. Doug Weller talk 15:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller In fact, I did not realise the NPOV alert was only about the former edition reverted, as the order of notifications on mobile app might cause some confusion at times. Thus I thought both alerts referred to the recent edition. Though I do not regard any of them has violated NPOV ou verifiability policies, I recognise these are contentious issues, and as such should be discussed at the respective article's talk pages. Thus I apologise for the misunderstanding. Have a good day! Cornelius Benedictus (talk) 15:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. No problem. I added to the confusion by not pointing that I didn't do both reverts. Doug Weller talk 16:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller I understand it was my fault by not realising it, as it was harder for you than for me to find out where was the misunderstanding. Thus I apologise and thank for the help provided. Cornelius Benedictus (talk) 16:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. No problem. I added to the confusion by not pointing that I didn't do both reverts. Doug Weller talk 16:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller In fact, I did not realise the NPOV alert was only about the former edition reverted, as the order of notifications on mobile app might cause some confusion at times. Thus I thought both alerts referred to the recent edition. Though I do not regard any of them has violated NPOV ou verifiability policies, I recognise these are contentious issues, and as such should be discussed at the respective article's talk pages. Thus I apologise for the misunderstanding. Have a good day! Cornelius Benedictus (talk) 15:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- By citing Argument by authority are you actually arguing with our WP:V policy? Anyway, I've taken this to WP:FTN#Can someone help a new editor using Creationist sources that I reverted?, You'll sees there that I didn't revert your second relevant edit, just warned you. I'm busy now. Doug Weller talk 15:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller I understand your point. However, how would I be able to question an accusation of NPOV policy's violation if it is unspecified? If there was really any violation, its general framework should not be difficult to indicate, without the need to resort solely to an argumentum ad verecundiam. Cornelius Benedictus (talk) 15:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm hardly going to be confused between NPOV and verifiability. With respect, I have about 250,000 edits. There are various discussion boards where you can get a second opinion. The best place to discuss WP:FRINGE issues, which this is, is WP:FTN. I've got nothing more to say. Doug Weller talk 15:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate your considerations, nevertheless, neutral point of view and verifiability are different policies, and should not be confused. About verifiability, there is surely a point of discussion about to what extent should be used the self-description of an organization, even though it is admissible in such cases as I have done, according to the Content Policies: Wikipedia: Verifiability: Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves. In contrast, there is nothing I can see at the edition that might be considered as a violation of the neutral point of view, since my edition was about non-contentious issues, i.e., characteristics of the organization, not about the validity of the organization's proposals. Again, if there was any fail about the requeriments of neutral point of view policies, I respectfully ask that you might provide which violations would be these. Cornelius Benedictus (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Because we use secondary sources where we have them, not fringe. If you want to complain, go to WP:NPOVN. Doug Weller talk 14:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Apologies, the earlier alert was for those who had already received one. This is more informative. Doug Weller talk 14:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)