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Western capitalization
Sorry, I didn't have the link handy when I did that edit you reverted. Please join the discussion at Talk:Western music (North America)#Capitalization. Oh, I see you found it already. Dicklyon (talk) 14:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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Spaghetti Western
Please note that generally most if not all references of Spaghetti Western capitalise it as a proper noun, including Wikipedia's article on it and the references contained within. Canterbury Tail talk 21:04, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- In nearly every instance of "{some subgenre} Western", the initial adjective should be lowercase. For example, "contemporary Western", "gothic Western", and yes, "spaghetti Western". The exceptions to this are when the adjective is itself a proper noun (which spaghetti is not), such as "Australian Western" or "Florida Western". The fact that "most if not all references" exist is not a reason to not fix it. We just completed a discussion regarding whether "Western" itself should be capped. And while that was a 2:1 ratio of capitalizing "Western" vs not capitalizing, editors on both sides noted specifically that capitalization of "Spaghetti" is incorrect. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- My reading of that discussion clearly differs from yours. I see no consensus on there that the capitalisation of spaghetti is incorrect, and in fact MOS:CAPS clearly supports it as the majority of sources do in fact appear to use it capitalised and an article talk page conversation cannot override the MOS. Additionally the capitalisation of spaghetti wasn't the focus or point of that RM. Plus the evidence on that page was all over the place on how things should be capitalised with similar NGram returns yielding massively different results, which is why there was no consensus. Until a proper consensus can be obtained they should remain in the status quo as it has. I personally don't care, but long term consensus of status quo is there for the support of it (with references.) Canterbury Tail talk 21:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- The MOS that should be referred to is MOS:GENRECAPS. It's properly lowercased for the same reasons that revisionist Western or contemporary Western are. TBH, there is a lack of consistency, but that's probably the next topic of discussion to get it formalized. ButlerBlog (talk) 22:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Canterbury Tail: I have opened a move request discussion regarding this, should you want to have any input (although I do note that you
personally don't care
- just letting you know per WP:APPNOTE since it's related to this). ButlerBlog (talk) 12:48, 28 July 2023 (UTC)- Thank you for the heads up, it's appreciated. I'm interested in the outcome, but not necessarily participating myself. Canterbury Tail talk 13:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- No problem! ButlerBlog (talk) 13:09, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for the heads up, it's appreciated. I'm interested in the outcome, but not necessarily participating myself. Canterbury Tail talk 13:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Canterbury Tail: I have opened a move request discussion regarding this, should you want to have any input (although I do note that you
- The MOS that should be referred to is MOS:GENRECAPS. It's properly lowercased for the same reasons that revisionist Western or contemporary Western are. TBH, there is a lack of consistency, but that's probably the next topic of discussion to get it formalized. ButlerBlog (talk) 22:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- My reading of that discussion clearly differs from yours. I see no consensus on there that the capitalisation of spaghetti is incorrect, and in fact MOS:CAPS clearly supports it as the majority of sources do in fact appear to use it capitalised and an article talk page conversation cannot override the MOS. Additionally the capitalisation of spaghetti wasn't the focus or point of that RM. Plus the evidence on that page was all over the place on how things should be capitalised with similar NGram returns yielding massively different results, which is why there was no consensus. Until a proper consensus can be obtained they should remain in the status quo as it has. I personally don't care, but long term consensus of status quo is there for the support of it (with references.) Canterbury Tail talk 21:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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