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Happy New Year, Bri!

Happy New Year!

Bri,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Your draft article, Draft:Wingmen MC

Hello, Bri. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Wingmen MC".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 04:42, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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Not quite sure what you meant to do here? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.3% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 00:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Keyboard/editing issues. Thanks for fixing! ☆ Bri (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/From_the_archives

Hey, Bri! If you have a minute (and catch this in time) mind copyediting this? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.3% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 22:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: Just finished it up. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much! It's rather last minute, but with JPxG doing a retrospective of 2005 next issue, thought I'd best do something this month, so we're not having competing archive dives. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.3% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 00:36, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry

I would just nominate the old Signpost pages as G6, but I have been instructed to open individual XFD cases for each page that needs to be deleted; apologies in advance if Twinkle causes me to spam your talk page with more useless shit today. jp×g 00:56, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

You've gotta do what you've gotta do, I guess. I'll just delete whatever's there tomorrow. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Miss World 2022 or 2023?

Heyyy, I got confused about 71st edition of Miss World 2023, wasn't this page would be Miss World 2022? Considering the pageant was pushed to 2023 like Miss Universe 2020 did that was pushed to 2021. I found a source from CONAN Daily but couldn't accept in Wikipedia which is rip.. Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 05:55, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Who knows what they will call it. Maybe the concern that puts it out is defunct. We just don't have any reliable sources. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Category:Festivals in Anacortes, Washington has been nominated for merging

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Category:Festivals in Port Townsend, Washington has been nominated for merging

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Haut Monde Mrs. India Worldwide

Hey, Bri,

I just thought I'd ask your opinion on this latest beauty pageant article. I was alerted to it as it was moved around from draft space to main space to draft space and back. The admin who draftified it thought there was paid editing involved but I'm not good at detecting that unless it's a biography extolling the accomplishments of a clearly ordinary person. Thanks for giving it a look over. Hope you are having a good weekend. Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: in this case no special skills are required as they disclosed it was paid editing. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Can I say, D'uh!? I should have checked the editor's User page to see if there were any disclosures. Liz Read! Talk! 04:13, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Don't feel bad, the first thing I did was start digging through their edit history. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Miss World 2023

Warning icon Please do not remove again firsts because Miss World 2023 to be held in the United Arab Emirates in Middle East for the first time in Miss World history was announced by Miss World President and Chief Executive Officer Julia Morley in february 13, 2023. So i am really dictator like former filipino president Ferdinand Marcos Sr. thank you. ☆ Joseatienza (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Confirmation of meta-wiki request

This is a proactive confirmation that I requested a change of permissions on Meta for an alt account. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:35, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For you recent troubles. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:16, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

MOS

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2FNext_issue%2FIn_the_media&diff=1144833808&oldid=1144818191 Think this clarifies - it's on the main MOS page, not just the essay. But the MOS is a guideline, not a policy, and it's what they're specifically quoting, so... Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 20:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/Next_from_the_archives

This is where I'm collecting April Fools' stuff. It doesn't have a LOT there, but Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-03-03/Dispatches is linked there as the starter to my work. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 23:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I see. Apologies for marking it deletable. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
No worries. It's pretty early stages.

Pronunciation

Hey - the little voice in my head has a question - do you like people to pronounce it as Bri as in Bright, Bri as in Brie, or Bri as in Brilliant? Good old English language... Girth Summit (blether) 18:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

The first one. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

List of Miss Universe titleholders

Hello! Just wanted to let you know there is an issue at List of Miss Universe titleholders, specifically discussed here. Thought I would loop you in since you're normally so on top of dealing with these sorts of issues. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 19:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft page for new article is on the "Recent Research" page?

Not sure why the last paragraph/section of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-04-03/Recent research is on that page. Typo? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, there was an unnoticed draft template at the bottom of the page. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:10, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Miss Universe, Miss World, Miss International, and Miss Earth articles

Hello! I would just like to update you that I am actually starting to remove unreferenced parts of articles of the pageants aforementioned. If that's okay with you. I would do this until I go on in a one year hiatus for English Wikipedia and shift focus to Wikipedia Tagalog. Allyriana000 (talk) 13:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

You certainly don't need my permission, but go ahead. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I am finding it hard for some people reverting back my edits where I remove unreferenced articles and not giving edit summaries. I mean it is okay if the user is at least 1 to 3 years in this platform but this user, Raymarcbadz, has been doing Wikipedia for 17 years. How should I respond to it without engaging in an edit war? Allyriana000 (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
Excuse me. I left the message on your talk page. Please respond. Thank you! Raymarcbadz (talk) 11:42, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
@Allyriana000: Unfortunately I think this has grown beyond my ability, or even for several of us in favor of referencing acting together, to handle the situation anymore alone. I recommend adding your comments to mine at the administrators' noticeboard. Go to the thread Beauty pageant SPAs needs help understanding verifiability, and add a new comment at the bottom of the section. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Unfortunately no solution or a conclusion happened. The users mentioned at the conversation still continued to add unsourced material and even my edits on articles where I removed unsourced material were reverted back. Thank you for your contributions and actions though, I hope you still continue removing those unsourced material to help those users. I would really like to help but as of the moment I couldn't because someone already shouted at me at my talk page as if I am the enemy.Allyriana000 (talk) 9:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Mercedes-Benz Vision EQXX

A while ago, we had a brief discussion on this page's talk page regarding the wording of the section regarding internal resistance power losses. Now, initially I had put up the article for peer review, but now I'll skip it and go straight to FAC. However, before I do so, I would just like to make sure you don't have any gripes with that section in particular. Thanks for your time. X750. Spin a yarn? Articles I've screwed over? 21:49, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh, sure, that was resolved back then. Good luck with FA. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:33, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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Miss Supranational 2023 edits.

Hi Bri, Regarding your edits on Miss Supranational 2023, I understand that the rows you removed were unsourced, but we could add sources. You didn’t have to REMOVE 19 of the already confirmed contestants just because of sources.

Thank you, and please don’t do this again. @Ayocarty Ayocarty (talk) 03:55, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ayocarty: If you think this is a problem you should look for support at a noticeboard such as WP:ANI. The policy is unambiguous and states:

All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists, and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material. Any material that needs an inline citation but does not have one may be removed.

I believe that I am acting in accordance with the policy WP:V. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:55, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

STOP

Yes, but the delegates have been confirmed. We could just add sources later but they have all been confirmed. Ayocarty (talk) 05:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ayocarty: This isn’t how Wikipedia works. One editor's say-so is not sufficient to back material in any article. Pageant articles are no exception. I've told you where to try to get a new interpretation: WP:ANI ☆ Bri (talk) 05:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Promotional Article

Dear wikipedian a promotional article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra_Rafee Created by : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Moeinianm

as you see this user all drafts and article seems promotional and alot of them deleted . Please take action.Thanks 141.11.249.59 (talk) 12:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

You can see this article deleted 7 times in persian wikipedia : https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%98%D9%87:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%87%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7/delete&page=%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7_%D8%B1%D9%81%DB%8C%D8%B9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.11.249.59 (talk) 12:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


Return of the subnational flags, again

You have returned the issue of subnational flags on the Miss Teen USA pageant, again. Like, last year this was an issue. Is this going to be a yearly issue? Subnational flags in both Miss Teen USA and Miss USA pageants have existed since their articles were created. There wasn't any objection, like what you're doing, aka MOS:FLAGRELEVANCE, where each and everytime you raise this issue, it all just boils down as to how relevant it is, not just now but also way back the past editions. Care to explain how irrelevant they are, even to the very first editions of their pageants? Jesteron27 (talk) 00:31, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what's the value of rehashing this. The manual of style applies to all articles. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons covers the excessive or inappropriate use of sub-national flags. What's to debate? ☆ Bri (talk) 15:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

WTF

H2 750 ... my first bike at the age of 16... cut my teeth on her and a few corners.. lol Lots of Respect and thank you for your work. No mention of the Kawasaki Eliminators tho? MickTheMaag (talk) 00:14, 19 May 2022 (UTC) YOU MIND TELLING ME WHY MY POST WAS REDACTED? MickTheMaag (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

What article is this about? I do a lot of stuff on Wikipedia. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
I looked back at our prior interactions and found this. Just don't call other editors assholes or cast other aspersions, and there won't be a problem. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Just for you

Hello, Bri,

Knowing your passion for beauty pageants, I had to let you know about a draft I just came across, Draft:Miss Beauty Doll. If this was in main space, I'd tag it for speedy deletion but it's in Draft space so we'll let the draft creator play around with it. Kind of an insane idea though even in the world of beauty pageants. Liz Read! Talk! 20:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

But of course. This field is so full of deeply weird, I don't even. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The great Miss USA article massacre

You are technically in the right here, by deleting this whole slew of articles, since they are unreferenced, but do you really think it isn't possible to find sufficient references to meet GNG for each and every beauty contest iteration? They are generally very widely covered in contemporaneous media, I'm pretty sure each and every major and most minor newspapers of the year will cover each contest in noticeable detail. Especially the ones from the localities the winner and runners up came from. If you were to nominate each of the ones you just redirected for AFD, those sources would be found, and these articles would be kept. I didn't write any of these, but I can just feel the pain of whoever did write them. --GRuban (talk) 14:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I haven't had any luck with bundled AfDs on pageants, they get rejected as "too broad" or whatever. And I don't think launching 40 separate AfDs is logistically in the cards either. If someone wants to restore these with one reference, it's all there in the page history to work with. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:26, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Just to be clear about the intent of your initial post. In my understanding, when an editor comes across an unreferenced article, he may take one of the following actions
  1. Do nothing
  2. Add one or more citations
  3. Nominate for deletion (AfD, speedy or PROD)
  4. Redirect to appropriate, referenced target
Are you suggesting that the last option is inappropriate here for some reason? ☆ Bri (talk) 18:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
One more note, regarding your concern for whoever wrote these. It looks like many of them were created over a period of about one week in May, 2010, by a single editor who has not been here since that year, Draggleduck; in reverse order of creation: Miss USA 1965, Miss USA 1966, Miss USA 1968, Miss USA 1969, Miss USA 1971, Miss USA 1976, Miss USA 1975, Miss USA 1974, Miss USA 1973, Miss USA 1979, Miss USA 1978, Miss USA 1977, Miss USA 1970, Miss USA 1982. If they were doing it from a RS, too bad they didn't make a note of it, because now we can't tell whether these were completely fabricated. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
As I wrote, technically you're all right; I would just greatly prefer editors go directly to option 2, when it seems quite likely there are sufficient references. But since you offer "restore these with one reference", that's acceptable. I guess whoever cares, say Draggleduck (maybe even me! but that would mean work?!) will get around to it eventually. Thank you. --GRuban (talk) 19:43, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
@CJinoz: (formerly PageantUpdater): It looks like you are still an active Wikipedian; feel free to rescue any and all that I redirected, including your 2007 creation, Miss USA 1990.

If interested in pursuing this, I created a summary of the situation at User:Bri/PROD#July 2023: there seems to be only one article creator who isn't Draggleduck (inactive for 10+ years), a sockfarm, or you. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, all articles can be extensively referenced (actually the further back you go the more media coverage etc), I will work on restoring and referencing them. The 1952-1959, 1979-1983 and 1987-1988 editions all have complete contestant lists with ages and hometowns available through Newspapers.com. ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in  Oz  03:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Restored 2000, 2003, 2004 with one reference each per request. --GRuban (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Is there anything else you plan to do with these? The content in Miss USA 2000 for example can be deleted after the lede sentence with its current sourcing. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Disregard, I see there are more edits being made. I'll wait a while to come back and do anything other than removing pernicious flag icons. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Don't move the goalposts now. You said "restore these with one reference", and I'm holding you to that. Now for example, the reference I found for Miss USA 2000 is quite extensive, it's not just one page, it's a whole newspaper section on the event, pages and pages, it can be cited for far more than one lede sentence, it mentions Carson Daly, it mentions contestants, it mentions the history of Branson in terms of hosting the event... if you plan to delete things, I would appreciate if you actually read the reference. If your intent was actually "restore these with one reference, while I delete the body of the article and demand you rewrite it from scratch based on that reference", that was not at all the deal. My motivation here was to save the non-trivial work that has already benn put into these articles, which is called WP:PRESERVE (policy, by the way). If I have to throw out all their work anyway, I'm not preserving anything. --GRuban (talk) 20:11, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Sockfarm articles restored with single citations and help of User:Allyriana000.... --GRuban (talk) 23:24, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
1960s articles restored, and image-put-in-ed. Imagined? Imaged? Imagificated? --GRuban (talk) 23:53, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Restored through 1977, most with images. Later ones will be much harder to add free images because {{PD-US-no notice}} only goes through 1977. So less fun. I will try a few more, but my enthusiasm may give out; honestly, I only got notified for the start of the redirects because I had added an image to one of the earlier articles, images are where my interest lies, not really beauty contests as such. It just happens that beauty contests often are the subject of images, strangely enough... --GRuban (talk) 13:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Restored through 1982, most with images. --GRuban (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 Done Restored the last few. I think that is all of them. If I missed any, please ping. --GRuban (talk) 18:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello Bri! I wish you could also do a massacre for Miss Universe, Miss World, Miss International, and Miss Earth articles as well. Yes, I am contributing once again to these articles, but I could not do it by myself. Many of the editors really prefer to just add fancruft to the articles or do micro-edits to those articles and yet, there are a lot of references on the internet waiting to be discovered. Allyriana000 (talk) 7:28, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Bri, User:Evanex keeps on adding sub-national flags, especially at Miss USA 1960 which I revived. Please remove them, because I don't want to undo his edit, only to be reverted back. Thank you! Allyriana000 (talk) 8:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Bri, this user Allyriana000 believes he is the owner of making and undoing content at will, for years in which I have been on Wikipedia and as a Wikipedian, the articles, especially on beauty contests, have had a format in which this user believes he has the right to change at will. The articles are not your property Allyriana000, they are to report using the usual formats, show your face without seeking help to accuse others for things that are not yours. Thank you. --Evanex (talk) 02:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Every editor has the privilege of editing "at will" as you say, but not arbitrarily or against consensus. You should consider who has the weight of consensus on their side. It is consensus that is required, not proactive permission. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Preservation of unreferenced content

@GRuban: I refrained from making any more edits to the articles actively being rescued, in recognition of your good faith effort to improve them. But also in good faith you have to recognize that eventually all content, especially that regarding BLPs as these do, must be referenced under several policies including WP:V. Right? In other words, preservation of unreferenced content is finite in duration. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Do what you have to do. Honestly, there is only so much I can do here, I can't keep following you around through the Wikipedia citing all the text you delete. You did your deletions in one day; Allyriana and I have been restoring for a week now, and are still not done. If you honestly believe that the text you are deleting isn't trivially citable from a reliable source with a search at newspapers.com, delete it. If you think it is trivially citable, but are going to delete it despite that, well ... --GRuban (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Note on Fram lists

i.e. User:Bri/List of Fram related strikes -- I didn't delete the actual content of the pages, that would have been a senseless waste. I just moved the content from it and the other one into the main article at Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-06-30/Discussion_report. jp×g 23:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Humm, there's now a redlink in the discussion report where I think the list used to be. Look for the section titled "Rapprochement?" And thanks for fixing my thumb-o. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Oh, yes, I see. Fixed. jp×g 23:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding a new section called Gallery of contestants at Miss Universe articles

Hello @Bri! I wish to know your opinion regarding a new section called "Gallery of contestants" at Miss Universe articles and Miss World articles. I've created a topic regarding the matter at the talk page of Miss Universe 2023 although I do not know if that is the right place to add that topic. Thank you! Allyriana000 (talk) 14:36, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:GALLERY contains the following guidance. How do you see this applying to your question?Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the below paragraphs or moved to Wikimedia Commons.... A gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

The Great Grand Slam Pageant Massacre?

Hello @Bri. I would just like to ask if it would be a great idea to change all articles of Miss Universe/Miss World/Miss International/Miss Earth without references into redirects? Allyriana000 (talk) 10:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Sure. In fact if you look at User:Bri/PROD#July 2023, there are several examples where exactly that was done by a third party citing WP:Alternatives to deletion. Example: this. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
@Piggytwokids has been reverting the edits I made to remove unreferenced articles. Could you do something about it? Allyriana000 (talk) 16:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

(←) Piggytwokids is blocked. If you think the IP editor or editors are that same user, you can request a block at WP:ANI. Don't bother with sockpuppet investigations, they do not connect IPs to users. You can also request page protection at WP:RFPP, but since it's a redirect and not an article, I don't know how they handle that. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Generative AI and Wikipedia research

Hi Bri,

My name is Dr. Tim Koskie and I am a researcher at the Centre for Media Transition (CMT) at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS). We are conducting a study on the implications of content-generating AI systems such as ChatGPT for knowledge integrity on Wikipedia, and are approaching you because you have participated in discussions on this topic on Wikimedia pages.

If you are interested, we would like to invite you to participate in our study. It would involve joining either a focus group discussion or an interview (around 1 hour), in person at Wikimania in Singapore if you are going to be there, or online at a future date. At these sessions we would ask you questions about how you think generative AI will impact Wikipedia, as well as about the kinds of work you do on Wikipedia.

The project is funded by the Wikimedia Research Fund grant programme. You can find out more about the project here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Implications_of_ChatGPT_for_knowledge_integrity_on_Wikipedia If you are interested, let me know and I will forward you some more detailed information on the project. Tbkoskie (talk) 01:36, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

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Should leave redirect when moving drafts to mainspace

Hey there. Just a quick note to let you know that we normally leave redirects when moving from draftspace to mainspace. The diff of yours that caught my attention is this one. However, confusingly, the reverse is not true. We usually do not leave redirects when moving from mainspace to draftspace. Anyway, just wanted to let you know. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:57, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

  • I have been a pagemover for a while and was not aware of the convention of leaving a redirect from draft space. I presume this is for drafts going through AFC and there's a good reason for workflow or something (I don't normally do AFC and generally don't do script assisted editing). Will stick to the convention going forward. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks. If you're interested, I think the technical explanation for this is to suppress a redirect, a CSD had to apply, and WP:R2 only applies to one of the situations and not the other. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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Disruptive editing

Could you please let me know why you insist on massacring Miss USA articles because of issues that you could easily solve yourself? I am no longer active in regards to editing Miss USA articles, so I do not have the time to be constantly patrolling and improving these articles, but you seem to. I don't know if you think you are improving these articles, but it took me no more than 10 minutes to find sources to verify the results tables for the three articles I restored, how is removing information as consequential as the results of the pageant helping fix the article when you could probably spend even less time just finding the sources yourself? As far as I can tell, that's what would improve these articles, not removing the information that is very easily sourced and exactly why audiences read the articles. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jjj1238: I'll repeat what I told Ayocarty in June who had about the same complaint on my talkpage.
If you think this is a problem you should look for support at a noticeboard such as WP:ANI. The policy is unambiguous and states:

All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists, and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material. Any material that needs an inline citation but does not have one may be removed.

I believe that I am acting in accordance with the policy WP:V. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
You did not respond to my question. I did not ask if you are editing within policy, but why are you massacring articles when you could easily spend the same amount of time just improving them? It appears to me that you are not editing in good faith and do not want these articles improved, but would rather they just don't exist. I am going to kindly provide you with the references and ask you to restore the results that you removed, because I unfortunately just do not have the time to do this all myself. Pageants between 2010 and 2019 can be sourced using press releases published via PR Newswire by the Miss Universe Organization. 2020 can be sourced using this article by TV Line. 2021 can be sourced using this article via Heavy. For 2022 at least the top five be sourced using this article from TV Line. Furthermore, per WP:TVPLOT, "Plot summaries, and other aspects of a program's content, such as its credits, may be sourced from the works themselves, as long as only basic descriptions are given," which I interpret as allowing us to source pageant results to the broadcast of the pageant itself, rather than rely on published sources, as the results of a pageant can be verified by the public simply by watching the show, which WP:TVPLOT supports. But I have decided to provide you with specific sources anyways to avoid having to argue about this, assuming you are not in agreement. I do not have time to find sources for every pre-2010 article that you massacred nor the remainder of the 2022 results, but I would urge you to source the removed results to the pageants' broadcasts per WP:TVPLOT, find the sources yourself, or personally alert other editors who are active in pageantry/Miss USA articles that they need to find sources, as very few are going to notice your unsourced content warnings you've put on articles when many of these articles have not seen edits to them in years. It is simply the nice thing to do if you actually care about improving these articles, this information is not contentious and is easily sourced. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:42, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Well, the way this works is that the person who adds material must provide references, not the person who removes the unreferenced material. Check out WP:BURDEN to see that what I'm saying is policy. At this time, as a group, the pageant articles are really poor and they need help. Be my guest to try to improve these articles, and I will also try to improve them. Maybe we will have different approaches, and that's OK. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:12, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
You continue to ignore my questions (and my attempts at discussion). I am not asking about policies, but why you do not want to improve the sourcing on these articles yourself if you are concerned about improving their low quality. Since you did not reply, I will go and source the pageant results to the pageant broadcasts per WP:TVPLOT when I have time. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:49, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
You are right, I chose to ignore the loaded question portion of your interrogatory, which by the way started off with a rather rude and offensive section title. I hope that my good faith effort to educate will allow you to now understand the underlying policies and procedures, and find some way to make positive contributions. Please don't reply here if it is only to insinuate that I have some ulterior motive. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

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Beauty Pageant Articles Massacre

FYI: User_talk:Jjj1238#Beauty Pageant Articles Massacre Sciencefish (talk) 08:14, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. The area needs a lot of clean up for sure, maybe they will become more interested in the articles themselves instead of focusing on me. I wonder if they saw Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Ecuador 2001? ☆ Bri (talk) 14:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Joshua Kelley (sailor) for deletion

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Report Violation

Hello this article created by same person with another name and change title just 25days after deletion by discussion to bypass wikipedia rules and prevent deletion  : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra_Rafee_Nia

The article deleted via discussion : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mitra_Rafee

Please take action Moaijf92 (talk) 09:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

It looks like it's already deleted under speedy deletion criterion G4, re-creation of a deleted article. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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Wyoming: Rachel Rodriguez-Williams’ Words LIVE

Greetings,

I appreciate your contributions as always. I’d like to point you to a recent edit on the Cannabis in Wyoming page that was made by me. I wasn’t sure if it might be helpful to add it anywhere else you see fit.

Best, Twillisjr (talk) 15:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Slowking4 articles

Hello, Bri,

I know it's policy and all but it really pains me to delete all of these articles CSD G5. I hope as you are going through older article creations, you are not tagging ones that have substantial contributions from other editors. You appear to be going through articles rather methodically so this might be part of your process any way but I just thought I'd say a word considering I've deleted many of these articles. Thanks again for all of the work you do here. Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes I'm checking pretty carefully. You can see how I was doing it today in my sandbox history. Many were ineligible. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Sub-national flag, really?

Hi Bri, well I do appreciate the fact that you remove sub-national flags as part of the MOS:FLAGRELEVANCE. But considering national flag to be removed also is too objective, just like what you did at Miss World 2023. I have read the following policy at it stated that only flags of regions, provinces, cities, or anything that is considered as sub-national should be removed and no national flags are stated there to be also removed. There's still a difference between nations and sub-nations, and I hope you understand. Thanks! LikeRealTimes (talk) 23:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

You are right, I had a number of tabs open and made the change in the wrong place. I have no issues with the revert. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

The great Miss America article massacre

@Jjj1238, Allyriana000, and Evanex: I see, it's not the sequel, the last one was Miss USA. So, same deal? If we can find one reliable source, we can undelete the article? --GRuban (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't sure if you were referring to 21 September or the two redirects today.
September 21
October 16
Doesn't matter, I redirected them under the WP:ATD-R procedure (redirected as alternative to deletion). Sure, add one or more proper references and I will not object to its existence. You might want to check the following which I have tagged as unreferenced as well:
Cheers ☆ Bri (talk) 19:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Eep! I didn't notice the Sep 21s. I'm not really a beauty pageant article editor, I just noticed when one of the two today showed up on my watchlist because I had added an image to it. Thank you very much for the agreement, and for the notification about of the others, that I would likely have missed. Will get to; hopefully with help from the people I pinged. Ye're a diligent soul, you are. --GRuban (talk) 19:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I would rather focus on improving the articles at Miss Universe as I have completed the articles of Miss Universe from 1952-1995 at Wikipedia Tagalog which I will just translate here in English. I already finished all articles in the 1950s. Allyriana000 (talk) 9:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Nomination

You may want to change "co-nominating" to "nominating" here. It seems to be causing a little confusion. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey Bri!
Yeah, done. I was under the impression last year that I'd just be co-nominating. But that was a year ago. Nothing's changed about the candidate, though: strong editing skills, net positive to the project, and great research skills. Firsfron of Ronchester 19:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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