User talk:Borium23
June 2012[edit]
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Moxie Marlinspike, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Also, the text you inserted sounds remarkably promotional. Unless such items have reliable, secondary sources (preferably more than one), they cannot be included. — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 22:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Marlinspike[edit]
You seem to have some kind of weird obsession with Marlinspike. Indeed, it seems to be the ONLY editing you've done here. But remember: Wikipedia is not your SOAPBOX to pontificate your personal political views. By the way, just as you are, I am free to read comments on my talk page and delete them. I know from your comments that you think I should drop whatever I am doing to address your issues, but I don't live here, and I certainly don't really think too much about some random guy with an unhealthy worship complex with some counter-culture "hero". =//= Johnny Squeaky 06:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, this is my first try at contributing edits to an article, and I was mainly trying to organize what was already there. I don't think that I've injected any personal political views, or even just personal views at all into this article. There is a clear consensus around the relevance and citations for this information. What seems obsessive and "personal" to me is how vigorously you attempt to delete anything anyone contributes there. My understanding is that, particularly without communication and consensus, this is not in the spirit of wikipedia. I think it would be best if we could resolve this by having a discussion about the actual content, rather than whether you or I are apparently more of a loser for caring. Or if you think this kind of thing is too lame to bother with, by all means, please move on to more important things and let others keep their contributions to this article. Borium23 (talk) 06:21, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
- A clear consensus? With whom? In some other forum? Certainly not on his Wikipedia Talk Page. Much of the "contested" content is POV - meaning that it is biased toward a "point of view" and therefore not objective, and really quite irrelevant to a factual biography of someone with relatively limited importance in the field (other than self-promotion). Indeed Google give a pitiful 13000 results to his name, a microscopic drop in the Internet bucket. His issues with causing himself trouble at boarder crossings are both common to anyone giving the Boarder Thugs "lip", and irrelevant to his biography as well (I invite you to mouth off to the guys checking your passport and see how they respond...). =//= Johnny Squeaky 06:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
- Your analysis of him "causing trouble for himself" at the border is your personal opinion. My understanding of wikipedia policy is that neither you nor I should include our personal opinions about events in these articles, but rather use WP:RS in order to include information in these articles. If you have any WP:RS that offer a different analysis, you should include that information in the article as well. If you don't, you can't simply delete it because you don't like it. That is tantamount to including uncited information. To me, it seems clear that this is not a situation where he's "giving someone lip," given that the problems begin before he even gets to the border. Before he even gets to the airport, even. But it doesn't matter what you or I think. It matters what WP:RS thinks. Borium23 (talk) 16:38, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
- The content about his "run in" with Boarder Thugs is POV (personal opinion). Again, Wikipedia is not your soapbox. Wikipedia articles should contain objective information that is relevant to the notability of the person. If Mr. Marlinsopike smells bad or behaves like a cad while traveling, this is not relevant. Please refrain from injecting your political views into Wikipedia articles. =//= Johnny Squeaky 15:49, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- As others have pointed out in the article's talk page, what you or I think does not matter. What matters is that the article accurately reflects WP:RS. If there are other WP:RS sources you would like to include, feel free. Otherwise, you've failed to convince any other editors of the article of your opinion on how this matter should be handled. I see from your talk page that this type of antisocial behavior from you is not unique to this article (perhaps why you wanted to keep this discussion off of your talk page?). You know the rules; if you continue blanking the article without first engaging in a discussion which arrives at the collective decision to do so, I'll escalate this to WP:ANI. Borium23 (talk) 18:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is neither your soapbox, nor any other editor's soapbox. Simply because some other editor besides yourself wishes to inject POV does not make it proper. =//= Johnny Squeaky 23:25, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- As others have pointed out in the article's talk page, what you or I think does not matter. What matters is that the article accurately reflects WP:RS. If there are other WP:RS sources you would like to include, feel free. Otherwise, you've failed to convince any other editors of the article of your opinion on how this matter should be handled. I see from your talk page that this type of antisocial behavior from you is not unique to this article (perhaps why you wanted to keep this discussion off of your talk page?). You know the rules; if you continue blanking the article without first engaging in a discussion which arrives at the collective decision to do so, I'll escalate this to WP:ANI. Borium23 (talk) 18:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- The content about his "run in" with Boarder Thugs is POV (personal opinion). Again, Wikipedia is not your soapbox. Wikipedia articles should contain objective information that is relevant to the notability of the person. If Mr. Marlinsopike smells bad or behaves like a cad while traveling, this is not relevant. Please refrain from injecting your political views into Wikipedia articles. =//= Johnny Squeaky 15:49, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- Your analysis of him "causing trouble for himself" at the border is your personal opinion. My understanding of wikipedia policy is that neither you nor I should include our personal opinions about events in these articles, but rather use WP:RS in order to include information in these articles. If you have any WP:RS that offer a different analysis, you should include that information in the article as well. If you don't, you can't simply delete it because you don't like it. That is tantamount to including uncited information. To me, it seems clear that this is not a situation where he's "giving someone lip," given that the problems begin before he even gets to the border. Before he even gets to the airport, even. But it doesn't matter what you or I think. It matters what WP:RS thinks. Borium23 (talk) 16:38, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
- A clear consensus? With whom? In some other forum? Certainly not on his Wikipedia Talk Page. Much of the "contested" content is POV - meaning that it is biased toward a "point of view" and therefore not objective, and really quite irrelevant to a factual biography of someone with relatively limited importance in the field (other than self-promotion). Indeed Google give a pitiful 13000 results to his name, a microscopic drop in the Internet bucket. His issues with causing himself trouble at boarder crossings are both common to anyone giving the Boarder Thugs "lip", and irrelevant to his biography as well (I invite you to mouth off to the guys checking your passport and see how they respond...). =//= Johnny Squeaky 06:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Conflict of Interest?[edit]
I suspect you have a conflict of interest in editing the Malinspike article. Perhaps you are the individual himself or have a relationship of some kind? It's clear from your Wikipedia editing history that this article alone interests you, which implies come conflicting relationship. Please see WP:COI. =//= Johnny Squeaky 23:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)