User talk:Ben Robbins
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- Please elaborate, or discuss it within the artical itself if there is anything you think is questionable. 2001:8F8:1137:D1A8:A094:73DE:FADD:1B7 (talk) 17:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- This user's edit here. He added a sentence about the highest peaks but did not provide a reference. Why, what is your interest here? — voidxor 22:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- There is a comment section for this. Put the point of debate in there and discuss, if you wish to debate. Your large template you have slapped above is useful to nobody. 2001:8F8:1137:D1A8:A094:73DE:FADD:1B7 (talk) 22:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not debating, and I can't help but notice that you did not answer my question. We like to welcome registered users and refer them to relevant policies. That is why the Welcoming Committee and our standard templates exist. Throw stones there. Content discussion goes on article talk pages; user discussion goes on user talk pages. You are not helping welcome this user—should they decide to return. Therefore, if you edit this person's user page again, I will just remove it. — voidxor 00:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- "this person" is obviously me. You have referred to an edit made in 2016, when the page was a hive of marketing trash, tangents and incorrect statistics, with little context initially given and a patronising passive aggressive break down of policies; while ignoring the fact that if the edit was in 2016. Work on your soft skills please, and learn to utilise the comment section. Now, for the point in hand, the elevation, there is citation there from peakbagger. You could also source Peakvisor, Peakery, Mapcarta, Mountain Forecast, JebelJais.ae, Wikimapia, Maps.liv.Utexas.Edu to name but a few, with differing levels of reliability. I have also summited this peak over a dozen times from multiple directions, both the minor peak (jais) and the major peak (bil ais), with accurate GPS measurements also. I have sourced local clarity on this matter, some with access to none public information. I have also located and visited the border markers, and checked the positioning of the royal residence and military points there. So excuse me if I have a brief moment of over confidence in stating that your revision is wrong, and my edits are correct. It is not the tallest mountain in the UAE at all. The tallest mountain (with a prominence exceeding 100m) is Harf Tila according to military marker point placement, or Mebrah according to to less reliable but easily available maps. Jais is the tallest point, and has a small prominence from the parent peak bil ais which is not in the UAE. So if you would like to thrash out the answer to what isn't the simplest question, then by all means go to the comments section, but please refrain from having a pedestal moment on my comments page. Ben. 2001:8F8:1137:D1A8:A094:73DE:FADD:1B7 (talk) 08:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Four points:
- If it's you, then log in! This should be obvious. You didn't even try to identify yourself. I even asked.
- It's called a "talk page", not a "discussion section". Wrong website.
- I don't know what you mean by "[my] revision is wrong". All I did was say that a citation was needed to support the peak and the prominence. Citations are required, regardless of what you've seen in person.
- [If you are Ben,] it's your responsibility to add one.
- — voidxor 14:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Talking is a broad term and includes discussions which imply focus with some intended outcome. Ignoring that blunder, let's cut to the chase here. You have reverted the site to information that is incorrect, itself with partial and unreliable citation. You could request citation, but instead you preached the above from your high horse. If you want the page to be incorrect then by all means go for it. I presume you know better and have knowledge on this subject and the local geography. Ben. 2001:8F8:1137:D1A8:342A:F8F0:1501:C32E (talk) 16:39, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Four points:
- "this person" is obviously me. You have referred to an edit made in 2016, when the page was a hive of marketing trash, tangents and incorrect statistics, with little context initially given and a patronising passive aggressive break down of policies; while ignoring the fact that if the edit was in 2016. Work on your soft skills please, and learn to utilise the comment section. Now, for the point in hand, the elevation, there is citation there from peakbagger. You could also source Peakvisor, Peakery, Mapcarta, Mountain Forecast, JebelJais.ae, Wikimapia, Maps.liv.Utexas.Edu to name but a few, with differing levels of reliability. I have also summited this peak over a dozen times from multiple directions, both the minor peak (jais) and the major peak (bil ais), with accurate GPS measurements also. I have sourced local clarity on this matter, some with access to none public information. I have also located and visited the border markers, and checked the positioning of the royal residence and military points there. So excuse me if I have a brief moment of over confidence in stating that your revision is wrong, and my edits are correct. It is not the tallest mountain in the UAE at all. The tallest mountain (with a prominence exceeding 100m) is Harf Tila according to military marker point placement, or Mebrah according to to less reliable but easily available maps. Jais is the tallest point, and has a small prominence from the parent peak bil ais which is not in the UAE. So if you would like to thrash out the answer to what isn't the simplest question, then by all means go to the comments section, but please refrain from having a pedestal moment on my comments page. Ben. 2001:8F8:1137:D1A8:A094:73DE:FADD:1B7 (talk) 08:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not debating, and I can't help but notice that you did not answer my question. We like to welcome registered users and refer them to relevant policies. That is why the Welcoming Committee and our standard templates exist. Throw stones there. Content discussion goes on article talk pages; user discussion goes on user talk pages. You are not helping welcome this user—should they decide to return. Therefore, if you edit this person's user page again, I will just remove it. — voidxor 00:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- There is a comment section for this. Put the point of debate in there and discuss, if you wish to debate. Your large template you have slapped above is useful to nobody. 2001:8F8:1137:D1A8:A094:73DE:FADD:1B7 (talk) 22:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- This user's edit here. He added a sentence about the highest peaks but did not provide a reference. Why, what is your interest here? — voidxor 22:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)