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Ariel, you are simply wonderful. Thank you for fixing that image. I always HATE finding some crappy bot posted some notice on my page (cough cough, BCbot). It was so wonderful to find your simple message below it, it really made my day. You are truly one of the most wonderful wikipedians of all time! You simply ROCK! For rocking SO hard, i award you my hero of the wiki barn star!
The Hero of the Wiki award
I, Chrislk02, award you Ariel, my hero of the wiki barnstar. You exhibit the characteristics of a wiki hero. You help fix the problems, instead of writing a bot to bitch and complain about the problems. If everybody had your attitude, this project would not drive away valued contributors, and would prove a much more friendly environment. I hope you always keep your wonderful mentality and know that at least to me, you will always be a hero of this wiki! Chrislk02(Chris Kreider) 04:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Awww, thank you so much my dear Chris. Wiki is certainly not the same without you, and I'm so happy to see you're around a bit more, but of course, studies must come first! I do hope that the upcoming holiday season will see you around a bit more, as I miss being able to bug you! Thank you so much for your kindness, and for all you've done for me. I hope you know how much I honestly appreciate you! Ariel♥Gold 05:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey. I see that you've been adding to the World War Z page. Surely you've noticed that there's an edit war going on on the page. I came in and gave a third opinion, but since you're also active on the page, we could really use your help on the talk page for a resolution. Thanks! — HelloAnnyong[ t · c ] 05:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm just replacing the tags that were removed without addressing the issues, but yes I agree there is a pretty big issue here, mass removal of valid information that is helpful to a reader unfamiliar with the subject. I'll comment on the talk page. Ariel♥Gold 05:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
...thank you for your participation. I withdrew with 83 supports, 42 opposes, and 8 neutrals. Your kind words and constructive criticism are very much appreciated. I look forward to using the knowledge I have accrued through the process to better the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers and Wikidudeman for their co-nominations.
...for your participation, criticism, and support in my recent RfA, which succeeded with a final count of 90/1/1. I appreciate all of your kind words, criticism, and suggestions. I extend a special thanks to Acalamari for his nomination, and Dihydrogen Monoxide and Husond for their coaching and nominations. If you need help in any administrative matters, please contact me.
Thank you again and, best regards, Neranei
This RfA thanks inspired by VanTucky's which was in turn inspired by LaraLove's which was inspired by The Random Editor's, which was inspired by Phaedriel's original thanks.
Talk page
I see you're online at the moment; I assume you have my talk page in your watchlist, so watch what happens in a few minutes. :) Acalamari 21:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL okay dear! Ariel♥Gold 21:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
re:my rfa
Hi Ariel, I just wanted to point out to you that I make relevant comments on the Mike Godwin issue of some months ago in my answer to the third question. VanTuckyTalk 02:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi VanTucky, yeah, I know you had addressed the issues, but that still factored into my decision to mildly oppose, I really am sorry, and I hope that you will not consider it negatively, as I honestly respect you highly as an editor. Ariel♥Gold 02:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
ArielVerbosity strikes again!
Wow. Much detail there? ;) But seriously, that was some amazing diff searching, I'm impressed you were able to dig up some of those things. I'm glad you're willing to put the time and effort into these endeavors where others don't. Hope to see your RfA up there soon too :) ~Eliz81(C) 02:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that too. Are we chatting tonight? — Rlevse • Talk • 02:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Also I should ask, how have you been? A while since we last chatted :) ~Eliz81(C) 03:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm doing well! How are you, dear? And when is your RfA coming up? Hrmmm? Ariel♥Gold 03:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Innocent whistling soon enough I hope ;) Prep is underway. Oh and you should know that my second set of apartment keys is in a very safe non-home location lol ~Eliz81(C) 03:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL Not under a flowerpot, I hope! Who is doing your nom/co nom? Alison? Ariel♥Gold 03:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Alison and AD. Phaedriel had offered too but sadly... :( .... ~Eliz81(C) 03:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah Phae wanted to for me, too. ~*Sniffle*~ Wonder when her Wiki-break will be up? Ariel♥Gold
I hope soon! I haven't seen her anywhere. :( ~Eliz81(C) 04:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Looks good! Congrats! Ariel♥Gold 18:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Buddies
we're both in IRC. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Me too! :D GlassCobra 02:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry
Before when I reverted the admin's edit, I thought it was vandalism because there was a major deletion of characters. After that I found out that there were to many references to the article. Sorry for making such a careless mistake. I hope you would forgive me. LADodgersAngelsfan 10:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh dear, nothing to forgive! I was sure that such a large edit would trigger other Recent Change patrollers, and with 600+ links being removed, that's easy to assume it is a mistake, lol. Not at all a problem, and no apologies needed! :o) Ariel♥Gold 10:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
HSF ToDo List
Hey Ariel, I've made a todo list for the HSF project and put it on the project's main page - I'd be grateful if you could have a look at it for me and tell me what you think of it! Thanks in advance, Colds7ream 08:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Awesome, Colds! That's an awesome to-do box, the current lists spread out over several projects are quite out of date, so that's super helpful! Excellent job! Ariel♥Gold 08:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much! :-) Now all we need is to fill it up... Colds7ream 08:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Calling upon my coding fairy!
Hello dear, not sure if you're sleeping yet, but I was hoping you could help me out with something. I made a new header box for myself to replace the plainer template one. However, when I try to transclude it onto my talk page, the box ends up eating everything else on the page. Do you think you could fiddle around with it and see if you can make it work? I'd like everything to stay in the same places, just have my archive box replace the other one. Thank you very much! GlassCobra 00:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Boink back, my dear Lord. And GC, fixed the issues. Let me know what you think. Ariel♥Gold 00:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Gorgeous, just how I wanted. Thanks a ton, dearest! :D GlassCobra 00:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Anytime, dear! Ariel♥Gold 00:38, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Use of ™
Hi! Do you have any insight into policy regarding use of "™" in articles? The article that brought this to my attention is Spacebus.... Thanks for any (gentle) guidance you can provide! (sdsds - talk) 16:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank-you for the reference: that's just what I was hoping existed somewhere! ;-) I do want to be gentle though -- I would hate to discourage otherwise valuable contributions to the article. Maybe the right place to start is Talk:Spacebus#Use of ™. (sdsds - talk) 16:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you dear Isotope, for answering while I was deep in slumber. Generally, there is no reason to use TM or copyright symbol in article space, unless it is to specifically distinguish between a brand name, and generic term, like Band Aid, lol. I would simply remove the TM from that article, and in the edit summary, link to the MOS that explains why they aren't used in the encyclopedia, then place a note on the article's talk page also explaining it. That should be enough to explain things. Ariel♥Gold 21:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello!
I saw that you work on this page Wikipedia:Request_an_account and was wondering how you check for current users who have similar names? :-s Cheers (again) PhilB ~ T/C 22:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Philip, you can find the full instructions here, and the templates to use when replying. While the page is meant for the administrators who are reviewing, it provides the basic information for editors who wish to assist with the first step checking of requests. First step is to simply click the "listuser" link, and it will show if the name is taken, or if it is very similar to another name. Generally, someone is requesting a specific name because they already tried to create it, and the software did not allow the name due to issues, either from similarities, or due to unaccepted characters, etc. I'd suggest watching the page for a while, seeing how requests are handled by others, and leaving anything you're not sure of to another editor. Hope that helped! Ariel♥Gold 22:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Fairy snuff! thats sorta what I do with WP:AfC neway! I try to help with pages like that because I tend to be useless at editing articles (reverting vandalism I can do! XD). Thanks! (once again!) PhilB ~ T/C 22:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Cheers
For explaining the situation surrounding an old warning by me, an IP editor and a concerned editor. I had only logged in and was writing a reply and ended up in an EC. Thanks again :D AngelOfSadness talk 22:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah sorry about the EC! LOL. You hadn't replied, so I wasn't sure if you were around, and I figured I would simply write the editor a nice note letting them know it was not you, and I was more than happy to help! Ariel♥Gold 23:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Other editor
Possibly the main account, has been warned for vandalism before. Not a currently-active vandal but doesn't seem to be doing much that is useful though. Loki is a wonderful cat, although a bit bigger than that photo nowadays! Tim Vickers 23:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, my first impression was a bit too much of a coincidence, lol. I just removed it, but didn't feel it warranted any kind of notice, so no big deal. Humor is a good thing, lol. Ariel♥Gold 23:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Eilat gallery...
Please take a peek. Hope you approve; I found another image for the middle of the panorama. Gilabrand mentioned a WikiTravel and I'll go there - next week. When I'm satisfied with Eilat I'll start exploring again. You have a great weekend (me, I go shopping before bedtime ~sigh~). See 'Ya soon, Shir-El too 05:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Vanessa Angel
Hi. Thank you for responding to my question at the editor assistance page regarding the Vanessa Angel article. Also, thanks for editing the article too, I got a little citation happy once my references were being continuously edited, however, I noticed you deleted and cited my reference for her appearance on Cosmo & Vogue. Is referencing the IMDb publicity page (basically shows what celebrity appeared in what publication, etc) considered unreliable as well? I figured that it was basically like the credits page and could be used. I found another reference here, and since it doesn't seem like a direct copy of the Wikipedia article like most of the website concerning the subject are, it seems fairly reliable. Would you have any objects to me using that as a reference? I know you're not personally invested in the article, but having another opinion would be helpful once someone else decides to come along as decide the reference is not up to snuff. Thanks! -- Pinkadelica (talk) 22:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
IMDB is not a reliable source. It is freely editable by anyone, does no fact checking, and contains numerous errors, speculation, and unconfirmed information. (If you're wondering, Wikipedia is not considered a WP:RS either ;) ) If she appeared on Cosmo and Vogue, then it would be easy to verify that by going to those magazine's sites, I'm sure they'd have something about it on their site. Unfortunately, I honestly do not think http://www.modelvolume.com/ is a reliable source. Reliable sources are things like news reports, magazine articles, professional journals, reputable trade journals, etc. This person must be covered widely in the media, yes? CNN, BBC, NBC/CBS/ABC, FOX, USA Today, Reuters, Associated Press, UPI, MSNBC, Entertainment Weekly, etc., etc.? Has this person not been written about? The name seems vaguely familiar to me, but I can't recall who she is off the top of my head, but it seems that certainly, she would have been written about by the media. I'd assume Vogue and Cosmo have somewhere on their site, a gallery of covers showing who has been on the cover? Sorry, that's probably not really helpful, but modelvolume.com just seems to be no more than an online gallery of copyrighted images of models, and blogs, and not a news service. There is a noticeboard about reliable sources, if you'd like to ask them there, as of course, I could be wrong. :o) Ariel♥Gold 22:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, magazine sites rarely keep back issues or info about them on hand. They're more about the 'now' and hardly ever talk about past issues unless someone incredibly famous was on the cover. There's not a whole lot about Vanessa online either. No official site, nada. She was more of a flash in the pan I assume. I only vaguely remember her myself, I just edited the article because it was a mess. Thanks for the input though, I'll probably just remove the sentence because there's nothing online I can reference. Thanks anyway! Pinkadelica (talk) 02:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Ahh, yeah I did a Google news search, and while there are items in the archives (usually pay-to-view, so can't be added as refs), there is literally nothing for her currently. Sorry. :( Ariel♥Gold 02:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
NASA images
Thought I'd let you know that I'm working on an idea for Commons. Introducing a template to add NASA photo-ids to all our images. Should make it easier in the future to find them back, at least that is my hope. Commons:Village_pump#NASA_photo_ID And it's been fun working with you again :D It's bedtime for me now, see you another day. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 03:27, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Awesome, I'll take a look at that thread later. Currently there really is no way to lump all our photos into a category other than the NASA category, so that would be nice. You are coming up with some awesome ideas! Thanks! Ariel♥Gold 03:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
05:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC) ← See the datestamp? November 15th? That's halfway through. We are officially and completely beyond "early November". =D I(talk) 05:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL! When are you going to choose a name? ~*Giggle*~ Ariel♥Gold 05:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Hahaha cute :) --Naha|(talk) 06:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't that just the cutest lil picture i (I, not me, lol) made? I love it! And hey, great to hear from you Naha! Ariel♥Gold 06:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is adorable! Good to be here, I wasn't around much last month due to real life stuff ...I hate when it gets in the way of Wikipedia! :P --Naha|(talk) 06:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed! Hopefully this "real life" you speak of will allow you at least a little time each day to help out here now! Hope all is okay with you, and really great to see you're back! Ariel♥Gold 06:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Everything is great, save this sinus infection I've had since last Friday!!! It's wearing me down I'm afraid, and I'm going through tissues like they are going out of style :P --Naha|(talk) 09:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
←And to answer your question, eventually. I just wish I could decide on something. But at this rate, you shall be a non-admin, and I shall be Soleil forever! I(talk) 04:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
ROFL! Procrastinators Unite! Ariel♥Gold 05:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Dyslexics of the World Untie! I(talk) 05:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
How about "Nameless"? I knew a cat by that name: no one could decide what to call her. ;) Shir-El too 05:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL That's a good name, but it is taken, lol. Ariel♥Gold 05:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I have the perfect name for I! Filbert! :D Ariel♥Gold 22:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I just busted my butt researching and writing the Kingdom of Nri article. Not ten seconds after its up, you put that tag up saying the article would be better with "clearer" with a more "consistent" style of footnotes and citations. Well your very freakin' welcome. I'm not an expert on wiki formating by any stretch of the imagination. Nor am I a great speller as I am sure there are some errors of that nature in the article as well. I'm a researcher, and I work really hard to use quality sources (take a look at the publishers on my careless citations) to ensure the article is as factually accurate as can be. I don't think its too much of a burden for someone who didn't lift a finger to put this very important article on the site to wait for the wiki servers to cool down before leaving a negative tag. I could be wrong, but it feels like a diss against me when something like this happens. I believe you put that tag up to help the article, but you would be even more helpful if you organized the citations or left a message on my talk page directing me how to do so. It doesn't take much to knock someone's article down. The spirit of wiki is better demonstrated by our mutual willingness to lift those articles up. Sincerely Scott Free (talk) 05:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello Scott, I'm sorry, but I think perhaps you have mistaken the {{citation style}} tag, for a kind of criticism. Nowhere does it call the citations "careless". Tags such as that do not mean the sources are incorrect, do not criticize your writing, spelling, grammar, knowledge, or anything else, at all, but simply have a note that there may be alternate ways of footnote that would be better. I placed a note on the article's talk page explaining why: There are multiple sources that are cited many, many times, and there are easier ways of doing this, rather than having to specify author, title, publisher, year, etc., every time. I also gave three links that explain these alternate ways, as helpful page in case the author was not aware there was more than one way to do it. I actually thought the article was excellent, compared to the normal new articles that I run across. I admit that I'm a bit taken aback by your reaction to a simple tag that suggests a clearer way of formatting would assist the reader. I would be willing to assist you if you would like, but at the moment, I do not have the time to do so, so I left the tag to allow other editors to see, and possibly help. I do not see tags as a negative, but a tool used by editors that categorize pages into areas, so those who are specialists in one area or the other, can find pages in need of some attention. They are not a bad thing, nor are they any criticism of the editors of the article. I hope that you can understand this, and I apologize if you considered it an "insult" of any kind, (I am unsure what a "diss" is, but I assume it is a negative?) as it most definitely is not meant that way. Sincerely, Ariel♥Gold 05:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Thnx for the reply. I just saw the comment on the talk page a little before you replied. I probably wouldn't have been so steamed if I had noticed that earlier. I understand ur pressed for time, and I don't expect you to sift through an entire article you have no stake in. And by the way THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT ON THE ARTICLE. I tried my best to keep the citations to a minimum as I have one for EVERY STATEMENT in the article (Your eyes would pop out if you had to sift through them). I'm just a stickler for facts. I don't want there to be any doubt on the accuracy of the article as i'm sure you can understand. That form of footnoting is what i'm comfortible with. I'll take a close look at the link u put on the talk page and try to better my skills in that department. But my priority remains putting up strong articles with quality sources. I figured putting a source again was fine since the statement used a different page. Anywayz...I know i've taken up enough of ur time, and thnx for understanding (I hope you understand) where i was coming from. I think we'd all rather have too many citations than not enough (or god forbid none at all!). HOLLAScott Free (talk) 05:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Honestly, I'd be happy to help, but I really felt I would be stepping out of line, to completely change the footnotes, after you had obviously worked so hard. My solution was to use the tag as a gentle suggestion, with a talk page note, that perhaps other ways of doing it would be easier on a reader (I read the article, and just noticed many refs I would refer to were the same thing, just a different page number). There is no doubt that the article is sourced extremely well, (I too, am a big proponent of sourcing nearly everything!), but I really didn't think it appropriate for me to go radically changing the footnotes, without a discussion. Again, I apologize, and I do hope you forgive me, as I honestly had good intentions. Ariel♥Gold 05:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow! And I thought I was a ref-hound! 116 DIFFERENT refs. You all did that in only 2 months. My pride and joy is the Mali Empire, but after reading thru a good bit of the STS-120 page and must tip my hat to all involved. Y'all did all that in two months! I gotta step my game up, lol. Anyhoo, i feel u definately did the right thing. I'm really more surprised on how u found the article so quick. Its midnight over here in Dallas and I get cranky editing this late, lol. I still haven't got to take a look at the links u provided, but I will within the upcoming week and make the changes where I can. Take care, wikifairy :p Scott Free (talk) 06:03, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, when the mission started, there were maybe 30 refs, total, maybe less. The majority of those were added daily, I'd add usually 4-5 per day, lol. Of course, the press widely covers the missions so it isn't at all difficult, quite different than the topics you cover! And yep, it is 1am here, but I don't sleep nights, so it is mid-day for me, ~*Giggle*~ Ariel♥Gold 06:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
One last note b4 we get off this subject. I'm sorry for blowin up at you. It dawned on me this morning that I didn't apologize, and everyone on wiki should be prepared to do so in such matters. Explanations and compliments are good but they are not enough. You apologized to me even when u didn't really do anything wrong or intend to do so. I'm not playing "bigger person" or anything. Just wanted to fulfil my obligation as a wiki editor. Thnx for your suggestions :)...AfricaGuy - Up, Up and AWAY! Scott Free (talk) 14:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, and no worries. Ariel♥Gold 22:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Excellent job! I will use that way of citation from now on if i use a book more than twice in an article (which is most of the time, lol). I'm gonna go ahead and remove that tag. Thnx for doing that for me. Take care :) Scott Free (talk) 00:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey. I appreciate your response and not that it wasn't necessary, but I understood as soon as I reverted my comment. You were well intentioned and I guess a lot of this may stem from my own baggage in seeing that get done a lot, only in spite. You did fine. I also truly appreciate what you did with the notes because you DIDN'T have to when it was all said and done. Thanx for pointing out a couple of things that I did wrong as well (I didn't catch the different page numbers for one) in addition to linking me to the other method. Keep up the good work..Taharqa (talk) 01:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey Taharqa, thank you so much for the kind words. I realize that some tags are done out of spite, during content disputes or what have you, but I have never used them that way, and I try to use tags when an article needs improving, but for whatever reason, I'm not able to do the improvement, whether it is that I'm unfamiliar with the subject, or not an expert on the issues. I do tend to see tags as helpful, perhaps because I use the categories of them to go find articles I enjoy editing. Thanks for understanding, and for helping, your method was actually the method I use 99% of the time, (100% before today, lol) and I really think it is a great way to do refs, but in this case, it didn't work the way Scott needed it to. And hey, I learned something new today while doing it, so isn't that great? Thanks again! Ariel♥Gold 01:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the assist
Thanks for your comment to 66.108.191.45 (talk·contribs). I've tried giving him various suggestions to get him to understand and follow Wikipedia guidelines for a while now, plus fixing many of his edits, and I just can't keep up with him anymore. He appears to be trying to help, but he just won't listen to most advice. If you have any other ideas for dealing with him, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would appreciate it. Thanks again. -- HiEv 08:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, no response to any of the notes left on the editor's page since July, and the issues continue. The header says it is a shared IP/proxy, but the pattern of editing is so distinctive, that I'm inclined to think this is one individual, at least for the most part. Honestly I'm not sure what can be done, if the editor refuses to discuss the issues. It is rather frustrating to deal with, I admit, because it isn't like all the edits are not appropriate, so it is time consuming going through them to remove those that aren't remotely relevant. If you have any ideas, I'd love to hear them. I left another nice note, and requested the editor begin to communicate about the changes via the edit summary, perhaps this will help. Ariel♥Gold 09:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, we can be fairly certain it's just one guy. Honestly, I think somebody is going to have to block him from editing just to force him into a dialog regarding his editing behavior, at which point he could be immediately unblocked. Even if he isn't normally a good candidate for blocking, if he doesn't stop or respond to either of us, then this would be a situation where "ignore all rules" applies regarding blocking. I hope I'm wrong, but I think that is the only way to force him start following the policies and guidelines here. If that doesn't happen then he's just going to continue with his troublesome editing pattern, making lots more work for others. Perhaps not the most ideal of solutions, but it's the only thing left I can think of. -- HiEv 21:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, it might end up that way. As of now, it appears it is only you and I who have noticed the issues, and after I left another note, yet another string of edits today, more to fix. ~*Sigh*~ I'll talk to some friends about this, I don't see what to do at this point. Ariel♥Gold 22:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Sairam Iyer
Thanks for your comments and edit of the article. I really appreciate it. This is my first attempt at anything on Wikipedia and I am sure with help like yours I will meet the Wikipedia criteria. I will try as much as possible to get authenticity and sourcing for the article and put in the changes as soon as possible.--Ninadthackare (talk) 15:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Nina! Thanks for replying, I am glad that you understand, and I'm more than willing to assist if you ever have any questions, so feel free to ask me if you come across anything you're not sure of, if I can't answer, I can point you to someone who can. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 00:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello, and thank you
Ariel sings: Raindrops on roses...And whiskers on kittens...
I just wanted to let you know, from the few comments I've seen you make, I am very impressed and very grateful that you are here. I have been very cynical of Wikipedia as of late, and to that which I think as unfair. But you, dear, are a charm, and your name fits you so well. I thank you for being you, and your calm reason, knowledge, patience and kindness have not gone un-noticed! At less not by me. Thank you! -Jeeny(talk) 01:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow. Thank you very much for such wonderful, and kind words. Nothing puts a smile on my face faster than an editor I haven't met yet, dropping in to say hello! It is one of the things that is truly wonderful about this community. If you're having times of frustration, consider focusing on the things that make you happy (Raindrops on roses, and whiskers on kittens...), avoid the areas that cause you to be less than pleased, and turn to some articles on fun subjects, to give yourself a break. That's what I do, and so far it has worked out! If you ever need anything, I'll be glad to try and help! Ariel♥Gold 02:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
You are most welcome! I will take your advice and tuck it away for those times I feel stress, which is very often. lol. But, I may forget from time to time, so will keep you on my watchlist :p. I love kittens... roses, not so much, because I don't like the smell (am I weird?), but I love the smell of lilacs. If roses could smell like lilacs I think I would be content for the rest of my life. lol. -Jeeny(talk) 02:28, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
New Pic at Nri Kingdom page
Yeah I found it on the Igbo-Ukwu page. I try to keep to using stuff already in the wiki system (commons and wiki articles). I think the person who originally put it up might have some issues with that image, but since its still up, I'm not too worried. If its gotta be removed later, the Nri Kingdom article won't fall apart. I'll try and hunt down where he got the pic from :) Scott Free (talk) 03:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Ahhhh I didn't notice it wasn't you that uploaded it. Yeah, without the original uploader telling us where it is from, it would be pretty hard to track down the source. It isn't tagged as needing source info, but the editor who uploaded it is active, so it might be worth asking them if they remember, as it would keep the image from possible deletion. That image is great, so I'd hate to see it get nuked, lol. Ariel♥Gold 04:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm back online...
Just saw your query... did someone get to it? I had to read some stories ;) -- Flyguy649talk 05:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
RE: Year in spaceflight.
It's been around for a while, there's even a Wikiproject. I'm just implementing a proposal to move the start point from 1957 to 1951, which means creating a few new pages. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 11:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Ahhh, I saw the pages you were creating, and thought you were starting from scratch, lol. D'oh! Well, less work, hee hee. Still, great job! Ariel♥Gold 11:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Feel free to join the project if you want. There aren't many members, and we've got a lot of ground to cover, so we could use your help. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 12:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I will. I hadn't known about that project before! Ariel♥Gold 12:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
DYK
Thanks for the note on the DYK talk page. I've left a reply there. Regards, Rudget.talk 10:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll get round to it in a couple of minutes or so. Just got to finish something. Rudget.talk 14:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if you had an experience in adding the MediaWiki software to a website. I ask, becuase I am considering starting my own "wiki" for radio and TV stations and newspapers...a "MediaPedia", if you will :) Only problem is, I don't know how to load the software onto a website. If you would know how, or know someone who does, I would appericate any help you can give. Take Care...NeutralHomerT:C 03:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Ahhh, no I'm sorry, that's one area I have no idea about. You might ask at the village pump - technical board, while they probably can't help you do it directly, they may be able to give you links to off-wiki sites with helpful info. Hope they can! Ariel♥Gold 03:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Okie Dokie...Thanks! :) Oh, and in case you were wondering, the line about "thanks for your help (last night as well)", I sent the same post to David Levy first and he helped me on a Commons problem last night. that's what I get for copying and pasting :) Anywho, again, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Take Care...NeutralHomerT:C 04:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
It's not terribly hard, especially if your webhost has Cpanel. All I ever do, is make a database, uncompress the archives (tar -xzvf archivename.tar.gz ), then go to what'll soon be my wiki site, and fill out the simple form there. If you have any specific questions, please, feel free to ask here, or on my talk :) SQLQuery me! 04:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Woo hoo! TechWizard SQL to the rescue! There ya go NH! (And thanks, as always, SQL!) Ariel♥Gold 04:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, I think I can do that...I hope :) Thanks SQL and thanks to you as well Ariel :) Take Care....NeutralHomerT:C 04:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey
Just wanted to say thanks and well done here, I'm extremely impressed by the depth and quality of your responses to this new editor. I don't think anyone could have possibly responded to the situation any better, and I can see from just a brief glance at that page that this is not an irregular phenomenon. So, thanks again, and please keep up the outstanding work. Oh, and just for the record, I'm a "he"! ; ) shoeofdeath (talk) 08:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
ACK! My most sincere and abject apologies, I for some reason, read your name on the editor's talk page as "She of death", and I apologize. I shall go make changes to clarify that! (I know I always correct someone when they think I'm a "he", lol.) And thank you so much, for your kind words, I'm glad that my reply was helpful, and I hope that the editor reviews the information provided to them. Thanks again! Ariel♥Gold 09:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Haha, don't worry about it. I think you might be the first person to make that mistake, but I'm glad you did because it made me laugh! Thanks and happy editing, shoeofdeath (talk) 09:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Email! XD
I just popped in to send you a prezzie! XD check your mail!! PhilB ~ T/C 12:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Pfft. the link got changed into a propper redirect (the link was deliberately spelt wrong!) it used to look like this
Hey Philip, thanks for the email. I do love space stuff, and that Firefox skin is pretty, thanks! Ariel♥Gold 03:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Your Welcome!! XD PhilB ~ T/C 17:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
So explain the left-right formatting thing
Saw your edits on Arabian horse (and left them there, see, I really don't "own" articles, I DO leave constructive edits alone!) Anyway, I had never heard of the right-left formatting thing, and was wondering if you could explain it further, I like to see images alternated on pages where there are a lot of them, and it seems consistent with wikiguidelines, but I sure would like to understand the formatting glitch problem so that the layout looks good everywhere. Montanabw(talk) 19:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Montana! I've left you a typical ArielVerbosity reply on your talk page! Feel free to ask if you have any other questions, but of course, guidelines aren't set in stone, so they're just suggestions for improving accessibility for all readers. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 03:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, I did read those image articles once, (Some of the images in the Arabian article were inserted very early on) probably never hurts to review, the only part I am still fuzzy about is when putting images on the left is a problem. Is it ONLY right under a === heading, or is it under any (==, ====, etc) heading, and is the only problem the thing of moving the heading over in an odd fashion? As for the rest, now yeah, usually when I deliberately oversize (or undersize) an image, it is for a specific reason, (usually that the default is too small to be usable) but so does the image itself also scale if folks use large type? For example, will an image scaled at 250px stay 250 pixels, or will it grow bigger if someone chooses a very large font? (Is there an article on the disability accommodation stuff?z I was a little concerned that moving some of the images took them a bit away from the text with which they were associated (mostly the Darley Arabian image, it was a 17th century image, but its new placement implies that he was somehow affiliated with the Crabbet Stud, which is not accurate), I've also tried to be nice about not tossing out images other people add, if they are good ones (the Sangusko family and King Wilhelm both started major Arabian studs, for example), though I do think the article is a little image heavy (yet, given that all images relate pretty closely to the text, hard to say they aren't helpful). I've thought about putting it up for FA status, but frankly, I am terrified of what a day of vandalism that would be if it got it. Thoughts?? Montanabw(talk) 05:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. Interesting. I personally loathe all right aligned image pages, but that's just a style thing, not a moral issue. (grin) As far as FA, yep, the meat-grinder of editing is also a worry, I submitted it once for peer review and got a standardized template answer and nothing more, that was real disappointing, though I did do some tweaks just based on that. Took a bit of work to get to GA status, which was mostly fun. Sometimes you put an article up in the general wikipublic, and what you get are the control jerks. Had a rough time helping get GA for Horses in the Middle Ages, someone just got weird about the citation stuff. As for FA prep, if there is anything that just glares out at you, give me a shout. May not have a lot of time to work on it now (currently dealing with someone who is insisting that every section of cowboy be sourced, just out of the blue, seems rather annoying when the information isn't being questioned) but will keep it all in mind and get to it eventually. Montanabw(talk) 05:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, you know, at first, I wasn't a fan of all right-aligned images on articles either, but more and more, I've come to prefer them, at least here on Wikipedia, just because it makes articles easier to read, and less distracting. Anywhere else, and I prefer to have a nice balanced layout. It is a style thing, and not a rule, but it is sometimes hard to remember not everyone's screen is 1600 resolution with a 22" widescreen monitor like mine, lol. Ariel♥Gold 06:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
22" monitor? I am SOOOO jealous! Montanabw(talk) 06:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee, yeah it is pretty nice, especially for movies! My computer monitor is bigger than my 19" TV, ~*Giggle*~ Ariel♥Gold 06:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
At least your priorities are correct! <grin> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montanabw (talk • contribs) 17:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Vincent Smith School
I thought schools were notable no matter what. There are private schools that have their own article on Wikipedia. --69.117.20.128 (talk) 19:06, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Just because some High School articles don't get deleted via the deletion process, doesn't mean that they are all notable, and there is no policy or guideline saying that all high schools, or all private schools, are notable enough for an entry on Wikipedia. Also, see WP:INN, as having another article similar, doesn't always mean that all articles on the subject have enough context or content to justify an article. All your submission said was "Vincent Smith School is a private school located in Port Washington. It is for students in grades 5-12.", with no reliable sources, just a link to the school's website. That's not enough content, or context to justify an article, and doesn't explain why it is notable. Many other private school articles provide reliable sources to verify the school's notability. It would probably be better to add the school to the current article on New York's Port_Washington,_New_York#Schools, if there is no third-party coverage, as it would be difficult to make more than an article stub out of it. Ariel♥Gold 19:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Email received?/EVA list Name
Just a quick note to see if you received my email regarding the EVA article and the "list of astronauts by name" article? Thanks for your time. Rocketmaniac (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yes I did get the email, thanks. I think we need to move your other list into mainspace soon, I don't see any issues outstanding with it, other than coming up with a name. As for that huge long list, I'm a bit concerned, there are several editors on the Space project who seem to really be attached to having flags, and I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure what to do. WP:FLAG to me, at least, seems quite clear, that emphasizing nationality without a good reason isn't a good idea, but at least in the case of that list, especially the ESA astronauts, nationality seems something valid. The issue for me is, that list is so very long, and all those flags loading slows the page down considerably, and I don't think they are really necessary considering the vast majority of the astronauts listed are either NASA or RSA, and thus, nationality is either a given, or unimportant in the historical context. I think to change it outright would end up in a content dispute, and I would prefer not to see that happen. I'm thinking perhaps asking somewhere (I'm not completely sure where to ask yet) for uninvolved editors who were involved in developing the MOS to comment on flags in space article use, because I think a clear guideline should be made for all articles, not just one or two lists. But, as I said, I'm not sure where or who to ask yet, I'm still sort of thinking about it. Let's focus on getting your other list up, we need a good name! :o) Ariel♥Gold 11:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
As for a name, how about "Cumulative EVA Time" or "Cumulative EVA Record"? I mean that the whole purpose of the list, it lists the astronauts with the most cumulative time doing EVAs. Rocketmaniac (talk) 12:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, but it would need to be a plural, "records", and need to be "List of". But then the question becomes, should it be spacewalk, rather than EVA? Which term is a more likely search term. Probably both, so we could create a redirect for the other. What about something as simple as List of cumulative spacewalk records? (Okay I guess that's not so simple, lol) Ariel♥Gold 12:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes I think that will work. Since there is already a List of spacewalks and moonwalks, we need (or should) be consistant and stay with "spacewalks" not EVA. This is exciting, my first real article!!. Well, you made my ugly table much much better. My mom who is teacher (she says she's not a professor) at Georgia Southern University will be happy to see this thing go live. Thanks for you help/guidance. Rocketmaniac (talk) 12:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, would you like me to move it into article space? We can always move it later if we think of a better name, but it would be good to get it live. Ariel♥Gold 12:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Yea, go ahead and move it. Rocketmaniac (talk) 12:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Done And I'll add the links to the appropriate pages as well. Looks good! Ariel♥Gold 12:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Guess who again?
Yea, it's me. Got a juicy one for you. I'm cleaning up Policarpa Salavarrieta which has an NPOV tag on it, only I go to the talk page and there's nothing doing; all I find is this text in the history page: "(This still has an anti-Spanish and sympathetic bias. That isn't acceptable, regardless of how justified such a view is.)" Since the article is about a Revolutionary heroine this tag sounds more than a bit anti-NPOV in itself (on a par with telling a pig farmer he can't mention bacon). So after I finish CU, what's my next move to get it untagged? Thank you, {sleep well}, (my turn now to get some zzz's) Shir-El too (talk) 04:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC) PS: Bright copper kettles/ and warm woolen mittens... PPS IS THERE a musical comedy portal????
YAY! I always like getting notes from you! That's quite the article project there, lol. You can clean up the issues with the article, and remove the tags yourself, once you feel they no longer apply. Then just make a quick note on the talk page explaining that you've dealt with the issues, and removed the tags, that's all there is to it. Tags are there to help categorize pages for editors to fix issues with articles, according to what they are interested in, but once the issues are resolved, anyone can remove the tags. Considering the fact that whomever placed the tag in the first place, didn't make any kind of note on the talk page explaining their reasons, I would tend to agree that the tag seems a bit unwarranted, but I also admit I didn't read the article through. I trust your work, and you can take care of any possible POV issues, and once you've done that, and the cleanup, you can dump the tags. Let me know if you want me to look it over after your done, the layout and stuff could use some work, just cosmetic issues though, so not a huge deal. As for the portal, I think the closest may be the Musical Theatre portal. You can see the entire portal directory here. ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 10:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll try to live down your good opinion of me *~Cheshire Grin~*! Working too long on something makes it stale and me short sighted, so I learned to take a bite out of something, do as much as I can with it [image: terrier shaking hard], then give it a rest and start over later; which is why Eilat is "on vacation." I hope to nominate it for DYN after the next edit. I know Polycarpa is, to paraphrase, "the stuff legends are made of," so it needs extra care. Will follow-up and yes: when it's done I'd appreciate your take on it. BTW, may I interest you in an an apple kugel recipe? It is both the simplest and the only NO-FAIL recipe I know (tested it, I did) - or is that frowned upon here? Being an autodidact in cooking as well, it's my kind of Barnstar. See you soon, Shir-El too (talk) 03:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Eilat would not be eligible for a DYK, because it isn't a newly created article, and hasn't been expanded five-fold. It would be nice, but DYK is mainly for brand new articles. You can share your recipe, but I'll be honest and say I don't cook, lol. I have a brand new stove, that I've had for 3 years, and it has never once been used, lol. I use my electric tea kettle, and a microwave to heat up my tea when it is cold, lol! But others may be interested, so hey! lol. I'm not even sure what a kugel is, to be frank, I don't think I've ever heard of it, sad, right? Ariel♥Gold 08:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Kugel et al
No sweat: once upon a time I didn't know what it was either, much less how to make one! Basically it's a pie without a crust, traditionally made with noodles or grated potatoes, white cheese and eggs, and it can be made sweet or salt. I keep trying to find bonbons to give you in lieu of "Thank yous". OK. "What do a woman and a tea bag have in common? You don't know how strong they are until you put them in hot water..." ZZZ time again. Bye! Shir-El too (talk) 08:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 22:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thanks Nishkid! Ariel♥Gold 05:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
This couldn't have happened without u. Thnx wiki fairy :) Scott Free (talk) 05:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it could not have happened without you writing it! lol. I didn't want to tell you that I'd nominated it, in case it wasn't chosen, but I'm happy it was, and you deserve it. Good job! Ariel♥Gold 05:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Happy Thanksgiving. My goodness, Thanksgiving is certainly not early November. I(talk) 05:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Huh, is it that holiday already? I thought Thanksgiving was on a Thursday. Isn't it Monday? Or is it Tuesday ... I forget. So someone clue me in, when exactly is Thanksgiving? (Not that it matters to me, just curious lol) Ariel♥Gold 06:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
<Waves>
Well hello! Long time no see my friend! Hope all is well... we got the snow gathering here right now! :) Jmlk17 05:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
JMLK!! Ohhhh I'm so jealous! Nothing here but wet cold, and more wet. Blah. Oh I miss home. Will you go outside, and look over at the mountains, and wave to them for me please? :) I always loved this time of year there, but here, it is just the opposite. No snow, nothing but wet cold weather. BLAH! I miss it. Enjoy it for me, okay? And if you go visit your family, please drive carefully! Mommy Ariel worries! Ariel♥Gold 06:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Third Opinion
Hey Ariel, I need a third opinion on this edit about Sweet Caroline, you have a very good handle on things so I thought I would ask you. I believe this may be a BLP vio not mention the source is a POV blog,there is also a mention of Keith Olbermann opinion, the problem is, it is true about her age and the lyrics "The inspiration for the song came from a photograph of the then nine-year-old Kennedy the singer saw in a magazine while staying at a hotel in Memphis."[1] and it is true the lyrics to the song have parts such as "touchin' me/touchin' you" yet I think people are reading into it too much, I don't think the song was about him thinking of her through out the whole song but rather more about the song title as he was writing it, but that's just my opinion. what do you think?▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 07:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Just wanted to check to make sure my thinking was correct, p.s. why aren't you an admin already! ;)▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 07:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I think you were quite right in removing it. As you know, blogs, forums, etc, are not reliable sources, and the other ref was basically "I saw it on TV". That cannot be used as a reference. And the blog is probably not appropriate for an external link, either. This source should be cited, which I've done, and I agree that WP:BLP applies here. I've removed the paragraph again. However, let's also consider this in the big picture, this is just one song, out of an absolutely enormous body of work by Diamond, and I doubt that he had any strange intentions, but simply wrote it as a tribute, which I find sweet. Undue weight needs to not be given to the inspiration, or dissecting of his intentions, because a song may be "inspired" by someone, but does not equate to the singer intending every lyric be about the person, if you know what I mean. I left a note on the editor's talk page to explain why the entry has been removed by others, explaining NPOV, BLP, and RS. I hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold 07:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Well said, You said what I was trying to think to say, plus I liked the the way in which you wrote the editor who I believe was acting in good faith with the edits, I liked how you did so in a non-attacking way, bravo!, I feel like flooding your talk page with barnstars, again thank you!▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 07:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL The thought is enough, thank you for asking my opinion, and I'm happy to help if I can. I hope that this is all that is needed, but feel free to let me know if you need any further help. I did not add the page to my watchlist, so I'll let you keep an eye on it Ariel♥Gold 07:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Policarpa Salavarietta: Cleanup and tag removal...
Have finished re-write and tag removals. BTW my 'signature' now includes a talk reference that wasn't there before. How do I get rid of it? Merci tout le journe...Shir-El too (talk) 08:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC) (see what I mean?)
OOPS! Happy Turkey Day!
Excellently done on the Policarpa article, and yep, that (talk) is a new software feature, they put in last week. It is helpful, because for the most part, the talk page link is what editors use, so it was put in for those who don't have a custom signature as a way to provide the ease of communicating with each other. Pretty cool, huh? :) If you want to get rid of it, you'd need to make a custom signature (which I'd be happy to help you do) but personally, I like having the talk page link, because I'm lazy and it is one less click, I replied above, too! Ariel♥Gold 08:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
PS Out of courtesy I notified the NPOV tagger; turns out he's a BTO editor who miraculously deleted only ONE {admittedly questionable} sentence from the re-write! [You know the definition of editors, don't you? They have to 'dump' on something or they're not happy! ;)? ;P Shir-El too (talk) 08:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
That was nice of you to let them know :) I put the refs into templates, and did some other cosmetic work, but I think at least one English language reference should be found, for those of us who only remember enough Spanish to get around on vacation, lol. Otherwise, it looks great! Ariel♥Gold 08:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't find any documentary material in English; did watch a U-Tube La Pola tour of Bogota. I forgot to let you know how much I appreciate your approval of the result! It means I've been able to give something worthwhile to WP, for all the wonderful and amazing things it gives me, not least of all the pleasure of meeting people like you! \-~♥~-/ Shir-El too (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
No, I didn't watch that. I actually don't watch YouTube, lol. And no thanks needed, honestly, I think you're a great editor, and I think you're doing a great job! Ariel♥Gold 05:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:)
I feel so blessed to have my RfA graced by ArielVerbosity! That was really sweet, but also, I know how much time and effort you put into these things (have you ever said "per nom"? ever? lol) and that you don't support without a heck of a lot of consideration and diffs digging. It means a lot to me to have your approval, hon! :) ~Eliz81(C) 08:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Honestly, I doubt I've ever said "per nom" to anything, AfD, RfA, etc, although at times, I may have said "As explained above", and reiterated what was said as my own opinion as well. I'm sure you were probably wondering where I was, this RfA is nearly at its end, but I generally wait, watch, and dig, a little bit every day, into the past of the candidates I offer opinions on, and this is probably why I tend to occasionally miss some RfAs that I intended to comment on, sadly, lol. And, my dear, it is I who is blessed, you are truly a valuable editor, and you will make an absolutely wonderful administrator, and I'm very, very proud of you, and blessed to call you a WikiFriend. I just hope that once you've got a mop in your hand, you'll still have time to let me bug you Ariel♥Gold 08:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
You wouldn't have to bug anyone if you'd let us nominate you, you know, dear. ;) GlassCobra 08:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Feels the WikiLove I do truly have the warm fuzzies now! LOL GC... are we gonna have more rouge admins making RfAs for Ariel against her will? ;) ~Eliz81(C) 08:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Support per nom.;) ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 08:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL Sirex! I know, I'm just a big, giant procrastinator, lol. Plus, I keep praying my dear Phaedriel will return to do the nomination... Ariel♥Gold 08:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:( I wish so, too. But wouldn't a self-nom be the closest to that?? ;) ~Eliz81(C) 08:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Sadly, no. We shall see what happens. Ariel♥Gold 08:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Make time pass faster plz...kthxbai :P ~Eliz81(C) 08:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Time keeps tickin, tickin away... la de da... You know, that minute hand has not moved a bit on that big clock on Alison's page, maybe time has stopped! AHHH! Ariel♥Gold 08:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
What's the problem?
My post. It looks OK. But when I check 'diff', I see anomaly. I tested on my talk page. No anomaly. God know what is going on. sharara 15:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, your post wasn't a problem Sharara, but you accidentally removed the edits of another editor, so I had to undo it, simply re-post, but this time, scroll down to the bottom to put it on a new line, so nothing is removed. Sorry I was not more clear! Ariel♥Gold 15:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your help
Mr.whiskers (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
so im aloud to help out ? Mr.whiskers 16:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely! Always great to have more Recent Changes patrollers, and as long as you understand the guidelines and policies, and how to appropriately warn editors, and what to warn for, you'll do fine. I'd probably personally suggest that you take some time to learn the ropes first, before diving headlong into vandalism fighting, since you've only registered today, but if you feel you're ready, just monitor the recent changes, and if you see unconstructive edits, feel free to remove them. Ariel♥Gold 16:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank You
I really appreciate your kind words. That was very nice of you. Yes, this has been a learning experience that I soon will not forget. I did not appreciate the one editor's tone, but I reacted poorly. I understand that y'all have a tough assignment when it comes to reviewing these articles and trying to block jokesters and vandals, though I don't see any reason to for someone to be so prickly - especially once I had established who I was and what I was doing. I will be using this assignment again. Next time I will spend a good deal more time educating my students on what constitutes a good Wikipedia article. They've learned a lot from this experience and it has made them feel a part of the academic community. So, the benefits far outweigh the negative experiences of yesterday. Thank you again for your help and keep up the good work.--Folk smith (talk) 16:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad that the incident did not upset or deter your students, and I appreciate the difficulties, truly I do. I actually took many months before even doing any substantial edits, to learn the guidelines and policies, and even now, I still learn a little something nearly every day! I agree that you and the other editor didn't get off the the best foot, and I hope that you can put it behind you, and not judge all editors by this experience. I truly think that this project can be valuable in teaching, not just related to reading articles, but in learning policies and infrastructure of projects like this. If you need any help with anything, please do feel free to ask me, I'm more than happy to help! Ariel♥Gold 16:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow
The Original Barnstar
I just saw, and read through this. All I have to say is wow. You obviously spent quite a bit of time writing this absolutely amazing and informative guide, in your own sort of wonderful silly pictorially style (hard to describe). It is an excellent and comprehensive overview to what I and obviously others have learned only from experience, and provides much more background than WP:RCP does. Truly an excellent piece of work; it deserves to be in the wiki namespace as an essay at some point when you are done. Keep up the great work! Gscshoyru (talk) 20:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I just saw the work you did on Etiquette as well, and its terrific, and thank you. I'll just paste a link to that little number on my very drab user page.(olive (talk) 01:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC))
Wow, thank you both for the kind words! I'd love to get that essay moved into WP space, but there is still some work to be done. Somehow I haven't gotten around to finishing it, lol. If you have any changes or suggestions, feel free to make them or comment on the talk page, I really do want to get it finished at some point. I think I need to move some of the images, and re-arrange the sections, but I'm not sure exactly how yet, lol. But thank you, dear Gscshoyru and Olive, for your kind words, it is my hope that it can help newcomers avoid some common mistakes when beginning RC patrol. Ariel♥Gold 05:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I hope your Skies are Blue and your Days Sunny
Joy
REDYVA hopes that you are joyful! Joy promotes WikiLove and I do hope your days are sunny and your skies are blue ! Please look at Falls of Neuse Road & let me know how I might be able to improve it. Thanks. +
Thanks REDYVA, happy day to you as well! I'll take a peek at the article in a bit, and see if anything jumps out at me :) Ariel♥Gold 05:29, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I hope that this Thanksgiving Day finds you surrounded by those you love. Good food, good times, and things on TV are recommended, as is plenty of rest if you're still under the weather; perhaps even a nap or three.
Ah, thank you dear Mike. I actually do not have family to spend the day with, so, today is just another day for me, no special food (I think I have a container of yogurt in the fridge, lol) but I do hope that all the above applies to you, and to everyone else reading, may you all have a wonderful day. Ariel♥Gold 05:29, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ariel, I'm just dropping you this note because I'm rather concerned about the way Dave has been behaving in relation to this article, which is in complete contrast to the way that you have been helping the editors to develop a good encyclopedic article. I was thinking of putting a friendly comment on his talk page reminding him about WP:BITE but I don't think he would take it the right way from me, because I get the feeling that he considers me to be an "enemy". I think there's a danger of discouraging a whole class of students from ever attempting to edit Wikipedia again.
I don't want you to act as my mouthpiece, but if you agree that a gentle reminder would be in order then would you be willing to contact him? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Phil, I think that at this point, since the AfD will most likely result in a Keep, for valid reasons, and although at first, I did not think it was a notable event, I guess I sort of like a challenge, and I was convinced by the teacher's explanations that the event was notable, so I set out to help him prove it, and to keep the article, after my initial reaction. I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong, and while I'm neither an inclusionist, or an exclusionist, if an article deserves to stay, I'm happy to help fix issues so that an AfD will result in a keep opinion. Now, all that being said, not everyone probably sees things this way, and I agree that there was a bit of a harsh tone in some of the replies by Mayalld. I considered perhaps mentioning something on the AfD, but didn't feel it was appropriate, and instead, I chose to set out to help the article, rather than to do nothing. My personal feeling is, that at this point, they both seem to have disengaged, which is a good thing, and I would rather leave a note of apology to the teacher's talk page, and let the other issue drop. Perhaps Mayalld was having a bad day, we can't know, but while I agree that it was a bit bite-y, I'm not sure at this point, if saying anything would be helpful. I'm going to drop a note on the teacher's page though, because I do feel it is important for me to apologize for the way their "first day" went. While I didn't nominate it for CSD or for AfD, I also didn't initially think it a keepable article, and while I went about it differently, I still feel I should apologize on behalf of everyone, for how the teacher, and his students' first day went. Hopefully they will not be put off by the experience. Of course, these are just my own personal opinions, Ariel♥Gold 05:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to tell me when I overstep the mark. I confess to being a little terse when it was apparent that User:Folk smith was claiming to have understood our policies whilst demonstrating that he hadn't. However, I can recognise when continued engagement is futile, so I'll leave you to deal with his current WP:POINT episode (clearly he still hasn't understood the policies) I have reverted the following low-level vandalism to my user page, and issued a level 1 vandalism warning [2]Mayalld (talk) 13:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I did notice that, and I noticed the POINT issues, and left a note about it. I have a feeling that it is not always the teacher, but sometimes the students on the username, which is also an issue. Thank you for realizing that it is best to sometimes step back, I think that will be helpful in this situation. I am kind of at a loss as to why he would edit your userpage in the way he did (adding a userbox just to add a count of vandalism, lol) but, thank you for not getting upset, and instead, you reacted appropriately. I think we'll just have to continue to gently remind and direct to policies and guidelines, and hopefully these issues will not escalate. Thanks for being so understanding! Ariel♥Gold 13:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
RfA nomination
Qst would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Qst to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ArielGold. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
I have not created the page, I only will if you accept :) —Qst 18:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll vote for that too - we need a HSF admin, and I can't think of a better candidate! Colds7ream (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Thanks for not creating it yet. I do very much appreciate both of you for your encouragement, and I know, I know, I'm a big procrastinator, lol. I really will get around to it, eventually! Seriously! Phaedriel was going to be my nominator, and I'm still hoping that she'll return to do it. ~*Ariel crosses her fingers*~ I do, seriously, appreciate the confidence in me everyone has shown, and it means a lot, more than I can probably express. I will be sure to put something on my talk page when I do make a decision, so those who may be interested can see it. Thank you, dear QST. Ariel♥Gold 18:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
No problem, if you ever want a nomination — I'm your man :) —Qst 18:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
You said early November, it's two thirds of the way through! Tiddly-Tom 19:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm... So it is. ~*Whistles*~ Ariel♥Gold 05:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
erm...If it does. You can count on me for at least a vote. And no that's not a really cheesy line. :) Rudget.talk 16:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Userpage!
You have the best userpage! Now I'm going to have to remodel mine... - Kathryn NicDhàna♫♦♫ 09:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
~*Giggle*~ Thanks, just one of the very many inspired by my good friend Phaedriel. I've had the urge to completely re-design it lately, but so far, I'm resisting the urge, lol. Ariel♥Gold 09:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you redesign, then when I steal aspects of yours we won't be twins. - Kathryn NicDhàna♫♦♫ 19:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL! So far I haven't found a design that is as "me" as this one, I've incorporated my own graphics into this design (the tabs were originally a really muted color scheme, so I redid them), so I'm not sure if I could find anything better, lol. Doesn't mean you can't steal parts of it though Ariel♥Gold 06:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
