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Clean talk page............

............... Ruined :) Hope you are well good sir. Pedro :  Chat  01:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Harlow Hickenlooper edit! I'm new here. Over my head. Redirect is what I was thinking of, just couldn't find the instruction. - GXIndiana —Preceding unsigned comment added by GXIndiana (talk • contribs) 22:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

My pleasure to be of assistance. It's hard to keep them all in your head, and the instructions can sometimes be tough to find. If you ever need help, I hope you will find that everyone who contributes here will lend a hand if you ask them. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Please give me my flagon page back!

It was all in fun and it was pure poetry! I wa sjust kiddin around and I made that word up:) please give the page back:)--Vtgriffin (talk) 22:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

As you may now have realized, we don't allow pages created "all in fun" that you "made up" to hang around for very long. Please consider finding another place to play. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Article

Hello. I received a message that my article is deleted [Jens Kjaer Sorensen]. Reason being fails notability.

According to the criteria for Academics these rules should be followed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) I disagree with you on point 1 and 4 whereas I suggest you let an economist review whether this article is significant research or not.

Bear in mind that this is the only research printed linking the first international housing bubble, with the initiation through monetary policy and foreseeing the magnitude as credit crisis, financial crisis and a possible global recession.

Even Dr. Doom aka Roubini was not this clear that early on and has in fact not published anything to back his arguments before the bubble burst.

M49erfan (talk) 10:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i got it now. Thanks for clearing that up--KingRatedRIV (talk) 17:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Article

Hello. I received a message that my article will be deleted. I understand the reason, but, this is not a simple garage band. --[[User:Sirgreene|Sirgreene]] ([[User talk:Sirgreene|talk]]) (talk) 23:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't recall using the term "garage band". I will suggest, though, that the group in question doesn't meet the criteria outlined in WP:MUSIC, with which you may wish to familiarize yourself. If you believe that the group does meet those criteria, you're welcome to begin the process at WP:Deletion review. Since you mistakenly left your message on my user page, I'll see if I can help you receive this message by copying both your and my note to your talk page. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I am so sorry! It was really a stupid mistake!

Fine. That's all. Thank you very much. --[[User:Sirgreene|Sirgreene]] ([[User talk:Sirgreene|talk]]) (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi! My bad for reverting you. I agreed with your assessment of the speedy, but I felt that the last paragraph established a measure of notability. So, I erred on the side of caution, restored my deletion and removed the tag. Thanks for the compliment, by the way.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Yup, that was it. I didn't remember the exact criterion, but that's what I based my reversal on. PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I've looked into the level of the contest and I do actually agree with you (this seems to be a national-level competition and not merely local), so have gone back and removed my own tag. And I meant my offer to the editor concerned; I'll help if I can. Thanks for your courtesy, and see you round the 'pedia! Accounting4Taste:talk 00:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Perfect! You don't know how I am glad!

Thank you very much!

Alright. I'll see what I can do, but, I'll need your help. --[[User:Sirgreene|Sirgreene]] ([[User talk:Sirgreene|talk]]) (talk) 00:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I am writing a series of articles about a media company in London, and its divisions. It is noted (has won awards, made a lot of televisions and programmes, etc) --- if you could not nominate the pages for speedy deletion it would be much appreciated ---- I just need a few minutes to upload content! Cheers, All.labour.in.vain (talk) 14:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe you would agree that the pages in question didn't contain any evidence of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources, which is the basis for the guideline found at WP:CORP which governs the notability requirement for companies, when I assessed them. I'll certainly agree to not deleting the articles in question for the moment, since you're suggesting that you're going to improve them, but you may have to contend with many other editors/administrators on the same topic. If you have questions about WP:CORP, feel free to leave me a further note. Accounting4Taste:talk 14:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Pretty good. --Sirgreene (talk) 12:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent deletion (you know the one)

Really, sometimes I do feel really awful about CSDing. Hats off to him for the effort he put in. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 01:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I know. It makes me feel old and grumpy and like I'm stomping on a young person's creativity, but rules are rules <sigh>. Thanks for sympathizing and for being stern nevertheless. "Justice must be tempered with mercy." Accounting4Taste:talk 02:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i recieved a message from you regarding a deletion mistake I made. Im sorry for that i messed up on viewing his page and I know Zytroft personally. But this will not happen again--KingRatedRIV (talk) 18:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Ikariam

Hey, I noticed you speedily deleted Ikariam under A7. I don't believe it meets the speedy deletion criteria because my version indicated why it was notable; it has over 53,000 players and has recieved widely positive reviews from a variety of reviewers. Each of the previous revisions (Yes, I've seen them) being rather awful is not a reason for deletion. Here are reliable secondary sources independent of the subject [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (That last one is independent of the subject, I know it looks like it isn't).--Pattont/c 13:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I recommend, then, that you use the process at WP:Deletion review; I don't regard those as "reliable secondary sources" and will therefore decline to recreate the article for that reason alone, notwithstanding that I've SALTed both the article and its associated talk page because of its having been recreated more than 10 times after two AfDs. Accounting4Taste:talk 04:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
It's on deletion review here. There haven't been any AfdS, only speedy deletions. Btw the previous ones were correct, because most of them had no context or were written like an advertisement, but my version shouldn't have been speedily deleted, it indicated why the subject wsa notable. If you didn't agree that it was notable, you should have sent it to AfD. And those sources are reliable, see the DR.--Pattont/c 12:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I must apologize for my error, since you're entirely correct -- I had mixed this article up with another one, and Ikariam had not been AfD'd twice, only speedied about ten times. Best of luck with deletion review; since I've now made it impossible for me to express an impartial opinion, I will decline to contribute any further. Accounting4Taste:talk 02:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the DRV was send to AfD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ikariam.--Pattont/c 19:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Rainbow Trail Lutheran Camp and Lutheran Ranches of the Rockies

Accounting4Taste,

I am writing about the Speedy Deletion of Rainbow Trail Lutheran Camp, and Lutheran Ranches of the Rockies. I wrote both of the articles with no intention of advertising for them. They are intended to be factual accounts of who they are, and what they offer. Rainbow Trail was tagged for speedy deletion some time ago, and I responded by editing it to remove parts that sounded like advertisements. I also wrote Lutheran Ranches of the Rockies with that in mind, and had no indication that it was going to be deleted. I would appreciate the opportunity to revise both of the articles to further remove any advertising like sections.

Thank You,

Corey 71.208.217.21 (talk) 05:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I recall both articles quite clearly. My advice would be that you look over the Wikipedia guidelines about notability, because neither subject qualified in that respect. As well, there were no reliable sources such that arm's-length independent third-party experts attested to the particular excellence of these camps when compared to other camps (the mere existence of a commercial enterprise is not sufficient notability for its inclusion in Wikipedia). I'd suggest that you enter the names of these organizations into an article that might be called List of summer camps; if you want to further advertise the existence of these camps, it might be necessary for you to seek other venues. Accounting4Taste:talk 05:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you concerning Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Looking through some of the other camps from List of summer camps, how can I amend the two articles to meet the guidelines similar to the articles in the list, assuming that they do meet the guidelines. Gatorgolf17 (talk) 05:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Speaking entirely personally, I don't regard any of the entries as notable, so it might be that you'd be better advised by others with more of a feeling for the material. However, since it appears there's a consensus that I'm incorrect, I took a random sample of three or four and determined that the factor they had in common was references -- or, as I put it above, reliable sources. The successful articles contained nothing in the way of personal opinion as to the merits or deficiencies of the camp in question, and relied entirely upon the opinion of arm's-length independent third-party experts -- such as Time magazine in one case and a book about Lutheran camps in another. There also needs to be an assertion of notability that is bolstered by those references; as I noted above, it's not enough for the enterprise to exist, it must be seen (and asserted) to be better than similar enterprises. I hope this helps you. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

hey i understand why you deleted my article on rapper T-Shyne. However i was wondering if you would restore it so i may add more information on him. He is an important rapper and i will prove this with more information. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey631 (talk • contribs) 17:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

My article has been deleted and i believe that you should reconsider you decision becasue it is very touching. Please coment back if you will no keep it and tell me why.

Thank you, Nick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebeastmother (talk • contribs) 00:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Specifically, because two editors assessed it and found that it didn't meet our editorial standards for inclusion, principally including our notability policy and our reliable sources policy. As well, there is a very specific criterion that applies here, and it's found at WP:NOT#MEMORIAL -- Wikipedia is not a place to house memorials of your deceased pets or family members. I would recommend that you find some other website to house your writing. I'm sympathetic, but there isn't any way that we can host this article. Accounting4Taste:talk 00:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Atrixo article deleted/protected

ATRIXO was a popular band in Chicago from 1997-2002. After their break-up, one of the members, Lillian Berlin formed a popular band named Living Things, currently on tour in Europe. Kerry Finerty formelly of Kill Hannah was also a very important and popular musician for Atrixo. Please realise that there are thousands of people (at least in Chicago) that would love to have the ATRIXO article become a part of Wikipedia. Please unprotect it so I can make adjustments to it with more sources. Please gaive me a shot. I saw them live three times and have one of their albums so please don't let this band get ignored! Thank You User: szymon81 P.S. I'd love to get some pointers from you on how to improve my article.

Hey Accounting4Taste thanks for writing back so quick! I really appreciate your response and suggestions. I am serious about Atrixo! It was a very very popular band in Chicago and I thought that Wikipedia wants people to share all types of information about anything, including local/regional bands, especially since some of the band members went on to have very successful careers, like Lillian Berlin who formed Living Things. I guess I was wrong. I wish I had never donated $20 to Wikipedia now that I know it doesn't allow all information for all the world to read. Now that I think of it Wikipedia is kinda communist. I don't understand why a band like Atrixo can't have an article on Wikipedia. Hey check out their MySpace page at www.MySpace.com/Atrixo and listen to some of their music...it's very very good! THX! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Szymon81 (talk • contribs) 07:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Hottest 100 party

Thank you for your explanation, I do understand...

I made a small edit on the page of the Triple J Hottest 100 article, mentioning the Hottest 100 party very briefly.

I should have gone with my first instinct to add my paragraph to that page I guess, but is what I've written too long to add to another article?

Sorry to be all 'newbie', but I just don't want to do the wrong thing!!  :) 

however I do strongly feel that this event is a major part of the Hottest 100 countdown.  The radio station website, Triple J, cover all areas of celebrations on their website as well as on the air.

If this is acceptable, I will edit the Triple J Hottest 100 article accordingly

Thanks for your help! Sharleena —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharz13 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

GMIS

Hello, I am trying to 'test' adding a page for a non-profit professional organization (GMIS), this is just like the page for GFOA. Yet it was deleted for being blatant advertising? Why?

Your article was deleted because it read like an advertisement and did not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion. Subjects should have recieved significant coverage in reliable secondary sources before they have an article about them. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view and be backed up by reliable sources. Organisation promoting causes, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so. (Btw A4T I hope you don't mind me stalking your talk page :P)--Pattont/c 22:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Audiofanzine Deletion

Thanks for clearing this up. If you would please place the contents in the sandbox that would be most useful. What would be reliable resources? Some press articles that were written about AF? A comparison of AF and some leading competitors? I think you mean the prior, and I can ask Philippe for that, but it will probably be from French media as the English site is still a bit new. Anyway, I appreciate your patience in this matter. Mobileme (talk) 07:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I have the references in France now I'm just getting my head around this whole wiki system...not so easy I must say. Some sources are straight on the page http://fr.audiofanzine.com/infos/, the better ones from this year I have as jpg scans of the megazine articles...should I display those as jpgs or what? Mobileme (talk) 16:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Again! I added some resources...are these good enough to get the article out of the sandbox? Please let me know. Mobileme (talk) 15:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking the time to explain this to me. I'm sorry to seem a bit lazy about this whole thing, but my original intention was just to help out a friend and translate an article. My time is very limited, as is yours, with real jobs, life etc. I started this so I will finish this, but would like to do the minimum required. Is listing the press releases individually enough? To embed them in the article means having to learn editing functions which are not so intuitive for me, on wiki with all the codes etc., as the interface is not so user friendly and I am not a techie. The articles are not necessarily specifically related to each to each sentence. For example, there is no article specifically saying there are 20 employees in Paris. The stats are from reports generated by their analytics package. I unfortunately just don't have the time for this. I am very impressed with the level of professionalism here, but really my boss at work doesn't give me a hard time like people here on wiki do! This is my first dealing with wiki, and I am impressed and shocked at the same time as to how much work goes into writing each article, but I think giving people some slack sometime will only increase community participation. Anyway, have a great weekend. Mobileme (talk) 18:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I certainly see your point, and I'm sorry you've found this so arduous. I think it's partly because we set very high standards for the inclusion of web sites -- and that's simply because there are so many people who want to advertise their web sites by having Wikipedia pages about them, despite their general lack of notability. We don't need separate listings for every separate website full of Nintendo cheat codes, for instance. It's the same principle as people who think they are sufficiently notable to be the subject of Wikipedia articles; many American high school students feel they qualify (to give but one example), and we have to set the bar very high so that we don't become a mere listing of every high school student in the world. As I remarked some time ago in a different context, we do have a listing of every web page on the Internet -- it's called the Internet. I'm very sympathetic to your difficulty in reaching a level of fluency with the coding required, because it took me through quite a steep learning curve too. One thing you might consider is, if you really feel you can't manage the task, list the topic on one of the pages that Wikipedia maintains for "suggested articles". I'm not sure of the exact title of the pages, but you can leave a note there about the website and suggest that someone write an article about it, and sooner or later, someone will examine the topic and see if they want to take on the challenge. People who do that are usually very fluent in the type of research and coding that is needed to justify the existence of articles. I'll see if I can find a link for you where you might make that suggestion, if you need it. And I hope you have a great weekend too! Glad to have helped, no matter how small my contribution was. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:42, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Sharkyx

Hi, the above user has been very creative in creating his non-notable article (Zme Music) you just deleted. He has created the same article with slightly different wording many times. You can check his talk page for more. --DFS454 (talk) 16:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this heads-up; I have to go offline now, unfortunately, but you can continue to tag these pages and I'll try to assess them as fast as I can. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I noted that the user has been quite diligent in creating backlinks also. If you have rollback privileges, you might consider editing them. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

 Done --DFS454 (talk) 16:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for getting on top of this, and I'm sorry I couldn't help at the crucial time -- if there's something further I can do to be of assistance, please let me know. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
No problem. I found a similar situation here. There's so many back links, and in some cases another edit has been made so rollback cannot work. Is there a quick way to remove them , or is it going to have to be done manually? Thanks--DFS454 (talk) 17:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Wow. What a huge number of links and, to the best of my knowledge, no, there's no way to remove them en masse. <sigh> My policy is a little bit variable. I'm usually quite assiduous in tracing back all the links and deleting them, especially when spam is involved, but I have been known to leave redline links if they are in some sort of list where there are a large number of other red-line links. For instance, something like (I'm making this up) "List of computer companies in California" or "List of elementary schools in Ontario". The company or school itself might be non-notable but someday, somehow, it might be of use to someone looking at the list to see that link. I'm sorry to note that my sampling did not reveal that any of those links to The_Metal_Observer were of that sort. <bigger sigh> I'll see what I can do to trace them back and help dispose of them. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, they all seem to me to fall under WP:LINKSTOAVOID. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok thanks, If you hit the undo button will that just remove what they added or will it mess up the complete article by reverting it to an older version? If not maybe something that just removes a specific addition by a user should be introduced. And don't become deflated by all that sighing! :)--DFS454 (talk) 18:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
The undo button will only work if the addition by the user in question is the latest one; otherwise it will mess it up, as you correctly note. I certainly understand your desire for a tool that would attack situations like this, and frankly I kind of wish there was one, but at the same time it rings a few alarm bells for me... I'm not sure that any user's contributions should be deleted wholesale without an examination of each one of them, just to make sure we're not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. You're right to chuckle at my sighs -- it's just that heavy metal is about as far away as possible from anything I enjoy, I'm kind of a Bach-and-opera type, and the thought of looking at all those pages and album covers makes me tired... but I will try to be conscientious and look at as many as I can. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

oi

hi you deleted my article without discussing it on the talk page like sensible adults. I am referring to Benford Riders vs Hatch Bottom Thwaites. --Wells la Deux (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

This event mentioned is of national-level significance, As it is the biggest school cricket league in the whole of the Hatch Bottom Hampshire education authority. If we add all of the attendee's since the beginning of the league in 2004, that is 1071 people. If 1071 people are aware of this, then it must be notable. --Wells la Deux (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
But they are articles about schools, so why not school cricket teams? As for the 21 attendees, these 21 attendees could have told their reletives about the match, thus spreading the word and this could mean potentially tens of thousands of people being aware of this cricket match. And as for the McDonalds vouchers, Hampshire County Council banned the use of giving cash prizes so the school decided on McDonalds vouchers where you get to choose a Filet o fish, Cheeseburger or Big Mac with a medium fries for £2.50. --Wells la Deux (talk) 19:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid you have misconstrued both the nature and the degree of notability that govern the admission of articles to Wikipedia. The number of people who are aware of something has absolutely nothing to do with its notability. A cricket match between two schools would not be notable under any conceivable circumstances, barring perhaps a calamity which killed all the attendees. As I noted, please read the notability policy and also informative material such as WP:Why was my article deleted? and WP:My first article, which may inform you more completely. I'm sorry your efforts to contribute are not meeting with success; if I can help you contribute more constructively, feel free to call upon my assistance, but I'm going to decline to comment on this situation further. Accounting4Taste:talk 19:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
fuck you --Wells la Deux (talk) 19:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Apparently your resolve to discuss this matter like "sensible adults" was disingenuous. Thanks for sharing, though. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry typo i meant thank you --Wells la Deux (talk) 20:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Calvia Quiz League

You have today removed my first new post on Wikipedia. I thought I had done everything right. This isn't a commercial site and is the website of the oldest Quiz League in Mallorca (Esatblished 1995) and almost certainly the oldest in Spain and mainland Europe.

I have amended various Wiki pages regarding Mallorca over the years as I have lived here since 1991.

I must admit, I do have commercial websites and have on occasions tried to add them to various Mallorca web pages (like other people have done), but this first poost for the Calvia Quiz League isn't one of them.

I would ask that you reconsider returning my page.

TYhank you.

Ian Morrison Porto Colom Mallorca —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moggsmallorca (talk • contribs) 22:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I've responded at length on your talk page, at User talk:Moggsmallorca. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I have now made amendments to the sandbox, can you please advise if I am going in the right direction. I haven't expanded the List of Champions yet, I thought I would wait to get your clearance before doing so.

Regards,

Ian Morrison Moggsmallorca (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 08:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC).

I think I'll call it a day. The means don't justify the ends. Shame but not the end of the world. Thanks for all your help amyway. ~~n —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.31.202.26 (talk) 20:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Bruce Roselle

An article that you have been involved in editing, Bruce Roselle, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Roselle. Thank you. andy (talk) 01:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Atrixo please unprotect

Atrixo was a very very popular band in Chicago! The most importand member of the band was Lillian Berlin who formed the St. Louis band Living Things. Atrixo released two studio albums. You can hear their music at Atrixo - MySpace —Preceding unsigned comment added by Szymon81 (talk • contribs) 06:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I've looked at the deleted material again and I still don't see any reason to unprotect the article -- since it was recreated five times in less than a month -- let alone to have it. It doesn't come close to meeting the requirements of WP:MUSIC, with which I suggest you familiarize yourself. At best, I suggest this should be a footnote in the Lillian Berlin article. If you really think this band can meet the requirements of WP:MUSIC, I suggest you take it through the process at WP:Deletion review; otherwise, you should add a sentence to Lillian Berlin and leave it at that. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Kal Tire

Hi there, hope you are doing well first and foremost. The page was deleted before I could see your suggestions. I would appreciate any help you could give me in getting this page back up. Mkinghorn (talk) 17:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've recreated the deleted material for you in what we call a "sandbox" page where you can work on it without worrying that it will be immediately removed. You will find it at User:Mkinghorn/Sandbox (click on that link to go there). The main problem with the article -- and I actually agree with the editor who deleted it -- is that it consisted almost entirely of assertions made by the company about itself, which we call advertising. Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources suggests that statements about the company's notability should be made by arm's-length third-party experts in places like newspapers and magazines, and those statements should be verifiable. It's a common misconception that the mere existence of a company is sufficient for it to be the subject of a Wikipedia article; in fact, companies annotated here must be notable and that notability must be asserted by the opinions of experts. I'd suggest that you read some of the links provided on your talk page at User talk:Mkinghorn, such as WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted? and the links in this paragraph before you work on the article and attempt to repost it again. If you need further help, leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Good speedy deletion work

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
Wow I was patrolling new pages and haven't even had a chance to load the last few pages I clicked on because you'd already deleted them. Pattont/c 20:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Blothello

I'm really enjoying this wiki banter we're having, it's off the radar. I was just wondering when you were going to block me like you promised, I mean I obviously don't think you were just making empty threats now. Although, if you block me now you're letting me, a terrible vandal,tell you how to do your job and you wouldn't want that. Anyway A4T, keep up the good work with all your vandal catching and maybe reconsider the whole Blothello thing while you're doing it. Dfucehucvruevc (talk) 19:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Nearfield Systems Inc.

Can you look again at this? No evidence of GFDL release on source page, no OTRS ticket, no GFDL compliance. Should be speedily deleted as a blatant copyvio. Exxolon (talk) 00:23, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thewb.com speedy deletion

is a decision now in need of revisiting... the material is unviewable by those of us who disdain adminship, but with an undemand streaming playlist (see below) now making these shows (series) accessible, we need some sort of article about the website. I feel the right thing would be to start with an undeletion followed by your notification to me that the page is available for overhaul.

I say that because there is no elegant way I can think of to incorporate "current events" material into the predecessor network which was solely Television based, while it's reincarnation is solely web based. Hence... Help!


And nice to meetchya. // FrankB 17:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I had a look at the material, which I deleted last July, and I can't see it as anything except a brief bit of spam, but perhaps it will be useful to you. I've restored it to the bottom of User:Fabartus/Sandbox for your use. As you are no doubt aware, you will be welcome to recreate the page under that name, and judging by your coding expertise you won't have any trouble doing that, but I'll offer help if you need it. To the best of my knowledge, the page has not been blocked from recreation; if you find otherwise, by all means let me know. I agree that a useful article about the material in question would be welcome; I look forward to seeing your efforts. Accounting4Taste:talk 02:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but I think keeping history is a good thing. For starters, gives me at least one person I can invite to build a new page. God knows I've started my share, and fixed up loads more. Let me look over the dregs in my sandbox (Tomorrow... I'm overdue getting off, today. Burned out really) and see if there's much to start with. I don't have the time right now to research enough beyond creating a good stub... I never have enough edit time! Cheers, and thanks for an intelligent and sensible compromise solution.

My pleasure to be of assistance -- the article was created by a SPA who made no other contributions, and the entire edit history consisted of the creation and the speedy tag. I suspect if I had restored the article, it would be gone within an hour due to its spamminess, especially since you are not going to be around to improve it. But I'll help however you like; I'd like to see a useful article come into existence. Accounting4Taste:talk 02:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Yikes! I lied, and looked before returning to me chain of open edits... Can't say anything but I endorse whole-heartedly your decision to delete on sight... you shoulda shot the editor too! Can't suspect the party would be a useful partner, sigh! Thanks again... // FrankB 02:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
And I appreciate your scrupulousness in this matter, both in wanting to restore the edit history and in how you've dealt with me. If there's ever anything I can do to assist you in the future, let me know. Accounting4Taste:talk 02:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Repost of Team blackout

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Team blackout, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Team blackout was previously deleted as a result of an articles for deletion (or another XfD)

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Need help, someone vandalise-delete my user/sandbox page

Hi there. I ask some help to you because someone vandalise-deleted my user/sandbox page User:Drokstef/Sandbox under some strange motives and i don't have any idea how could someone do something like that, i mean delete a article on my page, an article which i've worked a lot of it and it has all the notable reasons to stay up. I don't know what can i do, but i ask you to help me to recover my page and my article which i consider very reliable. Thanks a lot. Drokstef (talk) 00:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I have replied at length on your talk page and left a note to two other editors who have been recently concerned with this article. As I have noted there, I agree with their motives and the policy which they've outlined to you -- I've restored the page in question for 30 days. Please use it wisely and constructively. Accounting4Taste:talk 02:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Your good faith goes well beyond what mine would; this user has been trying for at least a year to keep his article on his band on Wikipedia, despite its being deleted and deletion endorsed. That he is abusing Wikipedia as a free web host seems to me very likely, since he canvassed for reversion of the "abusive" deletion in multiple places shortly afterwards, despite having no edits whatsoever to Wikipedia in since October last year. I will leav eit to you, but please notify me if there is a repost or a DRV - unless there is some provable claim to fame beyond having been No. 96 in the Romanian charts over three years ago, with no hits before or since, I would say it's a categorical delete. As far as I can tell Stef is the only person who has ever written anything about them. Guy (Help!) 21:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I gave this a good deal of thought and decided to agree with you, and found that you had anticipated me and deleted the page. I completely agree with both your motives and your timing. Thanks for being patient with me about this -- I had put in a good deal of time trying to assist the user, but you're right, he was gaming the system. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Youmils03

Thanks for your message about that, Accounting4Taste; and thanks for saving the content in case I might need it. The page was created in error; I meant to leave a stern message for a new and disruptive editor User:Youmils03, and made an elementary error along the way. See also User talk:71.202.147.182. The user in question also posts as User:71.202.147.182. For background, see User talk:Dbfirs. User:Dbfirs and I have been countering some unproductive editing at some of articles on topics in geometry. If you have any advice I will be happy to receive it; but the main thing I'm pushing for is a discussion of the issue at an appropriately general forum, with input from specialists, and experienced editors like myself.

Best wishes to you.

–⊥¡ɐɔıʇǝoNoetica!T– 08:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

You deserve this

The Special Barnstar
For playing a completely straight bat and trying to help someone in spite of their digging their own grave as fast as possible. Sincerely, an exemplary piece of kindness even if the result was not as hoped - such things are a source of inspiration and hopefully illumination to an occasionally jaded and often grumpy old sysop. Guy (Help!) 22:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Ortigas & Company Wiki page

Dear sir,

I created the corporate information page about Ortigas & Company Limited Partnership and their developments. I don't understand why it was regarded as blatant advertising since it wasn't selling anything at all. The goal of it was to give information regarding the company since the corporate website is still being developed.

I would appreciate it if you can point out the stuff that needs to be removed for it to be regarded as an informative page rather than an advertising one.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon.

Ortigas & Company Wiki page

Dear sir,

I created the corporate information page about Ortigas & Company Limited Partnership and their developments. I don't understand why it was regarded as blatant advertising since it wasn't selling anything at all. The goal of it was to give information regarding the company since the corporate website is still being developed.

I would appreciate it if you can point out the stuff that needs to be removed for it to be regarded as an informative page rather than an advertising one.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon.


Aizadgreat (talk) 01:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)Aizadgreat

Thanks for your notes. First of all, it is a common misconception that the mere existence of a company is sufficient for it to be entitled to be the subject of an article on Wikipedia. In fact, the company must be notable in some way -- please refer to the link and read about the notability of companies -- and that notability must be confirmed by the opinions of arm's-length third-party experts whose opinions are verifiable. Opinions about the company that are not supported by such reliable sources of expert opinion are considered to be advertising, and that may be the source of your confusion. I examined the three sources that you provided, and none were reliable according to our definitions; blogs don't qualify unless they are extraordinarily well known (like Perez Hilton), and the third was a kind of business directory where the entries seem to be created by the companies themselves -- advertising. If you wish to move forward with a potential article, you should be looking for published opinions by independent experts around which you can build an article, preferably a minimum of three of them. You might also read WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted? for helpful hints. I trust this information will be of use to you, and best of luck with your efforts. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== Hi you deleted my page on Louisiana Delta Community College. I don't understand because other schools in our system have similar pages. I do want a page, and I do want to comply with your policies. Can you give me a more specific idea what needs to be changed for the page to be a part of Wikipedia?

Thank you, Bob Jordan Delta community College —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.165.210.2 (talk) 18:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not instantly available to locate information about the article you're asking about. Your note is signed from a user identified only by an IP number, User:76.165.210.2, and that IP number apparently has made no contributions other than the above note, deleted or otherwise. I will see if I can find this by searching further; no guarantees. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I have located the article in question (apparently your user name is User:Delta5469, for your future reference). I'm sorry to differ -- no school in your system could possibly have a similar page, because it would have been instantly deleted as being blatant outright advertising. So, "what needs to be changed for the page to be a part of Wikipedia" is everything. First, read WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted?, as well as other introductory material that explains why Wikipedia is not a collection of advertising materials for commercial entities. Then start from scratch and create an article which contains only provable facts -- those facts must be veriifiable and either ordinary facts, such as the physical location of the school, or entirely based on the opinion of independent arm's-length third-party experts -- what we call [WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Incidentally, it is a common misconception that the mere existence of a commercial enterprise is sufficient for it to be the topic of a Wikipedia article. In actual fact, the organization must be notable -- provably special, unusual, better than its peers, the subject of independent expert opinion, etc. I trust you will find this sufficient to move forward, if you choose to do so. I'll check your user page's talk page to see if you have been left a standard welcome message, which will give you access to some of the basic information about Wikipedia articles that you may have missed. Good luck with the article. Accounting4Taste:talk 19:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

deletion of Macmillan Cancer Trust

Hi, i am very new to this, and thought I had abided by the guidelines of Wikipedia with my entry for Macmillan Cancer Trust. I wanted to have an entry for my Charity, as we are constantly being confused with Macmillan Cancer Support, so I thought Wikipedia a good place to document this. I didn't think that my insert was an advert, I thought it gave a brief historical precis of how our Charity got where it is, but I would very much like your opinion on what I did wrong, so I don't do it again. I only made a small insertion, with the idea of coming back later to update with more info.

Can you please advise where I went wrong, as I have looked at the other site, Macmillan Cancer Support, and looking at it, you could easily call that a blatant advert too if you were being subjective. Basically, I don't know where I have gone wrong. I need an entry on Wikipedia, can you please help?

Thanks so much. Neal Macmillantrust (talk) 09:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I can explain first that when an organization makes statements about itself (as opposed to quoting the statements of others), and those statements are not cold hard fact (like its physical location) but assertions about its intentions, methods, etc., on Wikipedia that falls under the heading of advertising. The main problem with the article I re-read just now is that there were no references or sources -- no arm's-length third-party expert opinions that stated in what way the organization was notable in a verifiable way, and those are really a very basic requirement of Wikipedia articles. Please start by reading WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted? -- as well as our conflict of interest policy to avoid future problems and the other policies linked in this paragraph -- and see if you can craft something that meets all the policies in this paragraph. Incidentally, it is a common misconception that the mere existence of a corporation is sufficient for it to be "entitled" to an article in Wikipedia; organizations must be sufficiently notable to be somehow distinguished from their peers, usually by third-party expert opinion which says they are somehow better. Finding quotations of that nature would be fairly essential. Good luck with your efforts. Accounting4Taste:talk 14:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Macmillan Cancer Trust

Thank you for your advice. I hope my most recent effort is admissable. Macmillantrust (talk) 16:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The Duchy of Effenhauer

I would be grateful for you to consider an appeal against deleting my article on the Duchy of Effenhauer

Please rest assured this is purely for research purposes only and we were hoping that it would be something the readers (or viewers) of wikipedia would enjoy. It is not meant to offend anyone, and if there is something that is offensive we would be most happy to abide by Wikipedia rules and delete. For the record, the Duchy of Effenhauer was known to exist and the Branislav-Bey family referred to in the introduction were indeed factual characters from history.

At the moment, there is a lot we don't know about them and we would like a platform to find it's geographical location, history, culture and so on. Should we have positive input, we would be over the moon to share this with you. If however, after diligent research, the papers and archives we received are false, we shall be sending our findings, not only to the central filing system mentioned in the article for correction but also to the other sources, the archives may have originated from.

At this moment in time we are totally convinced (as my late father was) that the Duchy of Effenhauer did exist, but it appears that it was "wiped off the map" with the advancements of troops during WWII.

Again, please accept that our input to wikipedia is honourable and being offensive to any person was the furthest thing from our minds.

Would you therefore please explain where we went wrong, or area of legal uncertainty or fault, and how we can rectify them to your satisfaction. We only hope that your reply is not simply based on opinion, or 'hearsay evidence' but forwarded with a genuine and sound reason to improve the facilities of Wikipedia, which we would also like to enjoin you with

Thank you,--The Duchy of Effenhauer (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Since your article had no references or sources to confirm its rather startling assertions, it was deleted as not meeting our notability standards and as a possible hoax. If you can provide three or four reliable sources -- arm's-length, third-party expert opinions in books, magazines or historical journals that are verifiable -- I'll be happy to assist you further. Best of luck with your efforts. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion? What the heck?

I'm trying to find out why you deleted the entry for Ken Svoboda.

As I posted in the discussion, the individual is notable because he is a major city-wide elected official. As the entry showed he narrowly lost an election for mayor.

From looking around, I've found other pages for municipal office holders (also detailed in the discussion page). Is there a double standard or what?

I'm new to contributing content to wikipedia and the speed by which people flagged my contributions and your subsequent deletion makes me think that only trolls and fulltime wikipedia people are allowed to post and edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobigred (talk • contribs) 21:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion on how Wikipedia works; you may want to inform it by reading our policies, such as WP:POLITICIAN, our notability policy, WP:Why was my article deleted? and WP:AGF. Best of luck with your future contributions. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm even more confused. Based on the links you provided, the entry I had was for a city-wide politician who has received major press coverage (since he's an elected official and ran for mayor) in a major metropolitan city (#74 according to wikipedia). Rather than giving me links, I'd appreciate it if you can provide an explanation of why you're deleting my stuff. Thank you. Bobigred (talk) 22:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed

Is being autoconfirmed considered good or bad?--KingRatedRIV (talk) 16:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say that I don't know what it means, so I can't help you. If you can give me a context, I might be of more assistance. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay I see. Well I was reading about it and didn't seem to understand. The article is Wikipedia:Established users.--KingRatedRIV (talk) 01:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the citation; I now know what it means. I think you would consider it "good". It means that because your account -- User:KingRatedRIV -- has been in existence for more than 4 days and has made a certain number of edits, you are granted a few privileges; I believe the most useful of these is that you can now move pages from one title to another. The word "autoconfirmed" means that you received the privileges automatically. We restrict absolutely brand-new users from doing a few things that are tiresome for others to clean up after -- I wouldn't go moving pages until you're absolutely sure what you're doing, and sure that it meets with the community's approval. Most often, pages would be moved to conform with naming conventions; for instance, if there was a page at Monroe, Marilyn you would be correct to move it to Marilyn Monroe, because on Wikipedia we name articles about people in that way. When you move a page, its edit history goes along with it, and a redirect is created, so that if someone typed Monroe, Marilyn into the "find" box, they would automatically be taken to Marilyn Monroe. Someone might delete that redirect as being fairly useless, but that's a function that is restricted to administrators. I hope this helps. If you have any other questions, let me know. Accounting4Taste:talk 01:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I really appreciate this. I normally don't move pages unless needed, so that's not a problem. The main thing I do as a autoconfirmed user is patrolled Special:NewPages, so I kinda had an idea that being "autoconfirmed" was a good thing; I just needed clarification that it was. Once again thanks for clearing it up!--KingRatedRIV (talk) 01:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Clinimetrics

I am writing to see why the page I added for Clinimetrics was deleted. I am not advertising for them and the information is not copyrighted information it is just company information and there will be more information to follow. I have checked the pages for other CRO'c such as Paraxel and they are no different. My user name is not a company name nor do am I associated with them. Please clarify your reason for deletion.

658techss (talk) 16:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Extravagant assertions about the excellence of a company, such as "The combination of industry-leading information technology and extensive clinical experience makes Clinimetrics the first choice for emerging and established clients seeking responsiveness, expertise and value while conducting complex clinical development programs", which are unsupported by any independent arm's-length third-party expert opinion, are rightfully considered advertising. Each article in Wikipedia is judged entirely on its own contents without reference to any other article (WP:WAX) so comparisons to the contents of other articles are not useful. I trust that clarifies my reason for deletion. In addition, recreation of the same piece of WP:SPAM three times in 24 hours without any attempt to make the article meet our policies is considered sufficient reason to make it impossible for the article to be recreated, since it's a waste of time for everyone concerned to keep deleting it. If you have any further questions, feel free to leave mea note. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

So if I change the article to not include any unsupported information or extravagant assertion will this article be left ? 658techss (talk) 17:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry not to have been more clear. You've already used up your chances in that respect by re-re-posting the same article without making any attempt to meet our guidelines and policies; I've blocked that page from recreation, as I said above. I suggest you try to craft an article in what we call a "sandbox" page, which you will find at User:658techss/Sandbox (click on the link to create the page) and then take your article through WP:Deletion review. Good luck with that process. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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E-mail

Received - probably be monday before I can have a thorough look - sorry. Hope you're well my man! Pedro :  Chat  13:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Mick Kluczynski article

Hi,

I guess the page I wrote on Mick Kluczynski was not convincing enough to satisfy your criteria of "notability".

Mick Kluczynski was one of the most important people in live event production. He was the production manager for the first western music event in Red Square (http://home.btconnect.com/mjkproductions/redsquare-profile.html), in 1989. He ran the BRITS for over 13 years, and before that he worked for Pink Floyd and The Cure. He production managed the Spice Girls first gig in Istanbul. He helped start the International Live Music Conference (http://www.ilmc.com/) and the Production Services Association (http://www.psa.org.uk), which is the only trade association for event crew in the country. Billy Bragg couldn't even get his off the ground.

I have looked through the people listed in the Road_crew category, and if you ignore those who are listed because they were/are musicians, he was way more influential than any of those left. There were probably no more than a dozen people in the world who could do what he did, when he did it.

In 1995 he was voted a lifetime achievement award at the annual Total Production awards.

Rock 'n' Roll touring is a relatively young industry, the mega tours we now see didn't really start until the early to mid eighties. To put this into context, most, if not all of what you see at a large event will be gone by the next morning. When I did the European leg of Lovesexy (Prince) in 1988, we had 26 production trucks (40ft artics) which would be packed and ready to go within 5 hours of the show ending, and the Production Manager on that tour was shit.

If you watched the BRITS earlier this week, at the end of the credits you might have noticed the words "In memory of Mick Kluczynski".

Some more references showing Mick's experience and influence in the industry (you might want to search on "Mick" on some of them to find the relevant bit):

Hope this helps to convince you to change your mind.

Thanks.

Marc350 (talk) 20:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. My mind doesn't really need to be changed... you're welcome to put together these references and work on the article in a sandbox page, which I will be happy to create for you with the deleted material on request. You're also quite able to re-mount the deleted article if you think I was wrong, or to take it to WP:Deletion review, but I suggest that merely working on the article to improve it before re-mounting it will suffice. I will note that there was a note attached to the article by the editor who tagged it for speedy deletion that none of the links worked OR were not directly relevant; I have no idea if any of those are the same as the links above. I re-read the deleted article and felt that I would have made the same decision again, to agree with the person who tagged it for speedy deletion because there was no assertion or presence of notability, but apparently you can bring something to the table beyond that, and I invite you to do so. Let me know if you want me to create a sandbox page for you. Accounting4Taste:talk 04:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Could you create a sandbox page for me? I will collate information from other contributors before re-mounting. Marc350 (talk) 09:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

My pleasure. You'll find the material at User:Marc350/Sandbox. If you need any further assistance, feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Please restore Ponko Chicken

Could you please restore Ponko Chicken? I didn't create the article, but I tried to improve it several months ago, and I think that it was a reasonably neutral article about a restaurant. -- Eastmain (talk) 23:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm certainly prepared to restore the deleted content to a sandbox page for you, and I'm going to do so at User:Eastmain/Sandbox right after I write this note. I think you should have a look at WP:REST which, although not a completely accepted policy page, gives some useful guidelines for assessing articles about restaurants. I don't find that this one has any particular notability, there seems to be only regional interest, there are only two mentions that I would think of as reliable sources (neither of which seems to find the restaurant to be especially notable, although the reviews seem favourable) and I didn't find the article to be especially neutral. In general, I would regard a notable restaurant as one that has the equivalent of five Michelin stars, and this fast food place is far from being at that level. If you can work on the article in the sandbox page and add more citations from restaurant reviewers, and get the material into strictly neutral form, it might survive being remounted. You are, of course, welcome to take the material from the sandbox page and remount it yourself, and you require neither my permission nor my cooperation, but I hope I am giving you good advice. Incidentally, I think I remember a note on the talk page that said that the food was good but that the writer concurred with the article's deletion because of notability issues. Again, I think that's good advice. Accounting4Taste:talk 04:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

you're being talked about

You're being talked about. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You meantion me being able to fix my article by using "sandbox" and I would like it if you did. Although I will not enjoy having to find more sources on a truthful aticle, I'm not letting my work go to waste

Nosuchthingasasmallchange (talk) 01:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox FicWad.com?

You meantion me being able to fix my article by using "sandbox" and I would like it if you did. Although I will not enjoy having to find more sources on a truthful aticle, I'm not letting my work go to waste. (I apologize I'm posting this twice because I forgot to put the title of the article I'm talking about)

Nosuchthingasasmallchange (talk) 01:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I have created the sandbox page for you at User:Nosuchthingasasmallchange/Sandbox. That will give you some time -- about a month is usual -- to work on it without worrying that it will be deleted. Again, just to remind you, no one doubts the article is truthful -- what it needs to be is verifiable and contain reliable sources. Accounting4Taste:talk 05:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Wireless Thessaloniki

Dear Sir,

I was surprised to be informed by a fellow WThess node owner that the wikipedia entry for the Wireless Thessaloniki network that I had posted to the site does not exist anymore. I am not a frequent wikipedia author, so I wasn't aware that the article was candidate to be deleted. I also see that a picture that I have included in the article, which was actually taken with my photo camera, was deleted for copyright reasons! It is obvious that the problem arise due to the fact that I am not well informed on some aspects and conditions of keeping an article in Wikipedia, and I would like to apologize for that.
I would like to re-establish the page. WThess is actually one of the last wireless communities left in Thessaloniki, as most of them decayed after aDSL subscriptions became cheaper and affordable. It is a part of the wireless communities' history of the city, if not of the country.
We are by no means a company that needs advertisement; we are just a group of people trying to implement free software for our better communication!
I can give you references, but it will probably be ... greek to you :) I will try though:
We are listed in the names of wireless communities: HellasWifi listing
We are interconnected as well as the other wireless communities of Thessaloniki: AWMN wiki and KWMN forum

Thank you for your time. Thanasakis (talk) 14:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I had a look at the article in question and I can be of help to you in identifying why it was deleted. Essentially, the subjects of Wikipedia articles must be notable -- follow the links I'll provide in this response to get more complete definitions of the terms -- and that notability must be based on citations from reliable sources such that they are verifiable. The article had the principal problems that there was no assertion of notability and there were no reliable sources, hence no verifiability. It is a common misconception that, in order to be the subject of a Wikipedia article, it is enough that a company or group exist. In fact, the company/group must be notable -- special, unusual, better than other similar groups, and that notability must be asserted by reference to the opinions of independent arm's-length third-party experts published in things like books and magazines (not blogs and forums). I don't think the provision of citations in Greek would be a big problem -- we have people here who read Greek, although I'm definitely not one of them. What I'd recommend is that, if you wish to move forward with reconstructing the article, I will be happy to provide you with the deleted material on what we call a "sandbox" page, where you will have perhaps a month to work on providing those crucial citations for the article. I'd also recommend that you have a look at some basic Wikipedia information such as WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted?. You may also want to keep in mind that putting assertions about the nature of the article into the article itself is not a good idea; that material belongs on the affiliated talk pages of the article, if anywhere, and its presence in an article is frequently a signal that alerts editors that something is wrong. If you want me to construct the sandbox page, or have any further questions not answered by the links in this paragraph, let me know. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I just wanna know why

You have recently deleted my page The Infamous Clan. If you may get it back, it would be wonderful, but if not I would just like to know why since I can't figure it out myself.

I think the fastest way to answer that would be to ask you to read this page, as is suggested at the top of this page. If you have further questions about the nature of notability, you can let me know. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)\

Jewsalem

You have deleted this page which consisted of a redirect to the proper article, Jerusalem. Jewsalem is a common misspelling for that city, and I believe that it should not have been deleted. This is the exact same context that applies to the Jewism article which redirects to Judaism


SirJoeSchmoe (talk) 21:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm certainly willing to be convinced of this, if you can provide me with three or four reliable sources that verify your assertion. My own Google research doesn't reveal any, but perhaps you are aware of some that I've missed. I perceive that it could be considered as "hate speech", so I'd like to be especially careful about exposing Wikipedia to the ramifications of that. Accounting4Taste:talk 02:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Theatre East deletion...

I'm still trying to figure out why this page was deleted. Theatre East is a New York theatre production company. We are a legitimate 501(c)3 corporation. We've been producing for almost 10 years. We've produced plays such as Cowboy Mouth by Sam Shepherd, not the band Cowboy Mouth. There is nothing that infringes on any copyrights. How exactly can I prove that? Or can you tell me in some detail why the Theatre East page must be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.220.228 (talk) 00:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I have to say that there is an entire page of people explaining to you in some detail why this page has been deleted -- you can read it again at User talk:Trigorin, and there are about a dozen links there that would be useful to you so that you could understand what's going on here. There is also a very useful link at the top of this page, where I've asked you to read the material before you ask me questions like this. However, I will try to explain it in simple language, and please pardon me if I simplify this so much as to do an injustice to one of our policies. It is a common misconception that, just because your group exists, it is entitled to a Wikipedia article. That is not the case. Your group is only "entitled" to a Wikipedia article under the following conditions -- (1) the group is somehow notable, which means special, unusual, better than its peers. (2) that notability is expressed by quoting the words of experts AND NOT YOUR OWN ASSERTIONS ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION. That's a very important point. Wikipedia does not want to know what you have to say about your own organization -- Wikipedia wants to know what experts have to say about the organization. Those experts have to have written in a reliable source such as a book or magazine; this can't be random blogs or forum postings. (3) those expert opinions are verifiable, such that someone who wants to confirm that the experts you are quoting said what you said they said can do so. The other part of the advice on your talk page at User talk:Trigorin that you apparently haven't taken in is that writing about a company with which you are associated is almost always a violation of our conflict of interest policy. If your theatre company is sufficiently notable for it to be the subject of a Wikipedia article, then 99 times out of 100 there will be people who will be anxious to create the article on its behalf who are not associated with it. People who create articles about themselves or their commercial enterprises are viewed with a great deal of suspicion here, and the articles are scrutinized carefully for hints of advertising or other conflicts of interest. Now, please, before you ask anyone else for any help with this, please read this article, if you read nothing else -- WP:Your first article. Click on the link to go to this and every other article that people have been asking you to read. Everyone here is willing to help you if you need help, but you have to take some of the responsibility to inform yourself about our policies and procedures. I trust you have found this the explanation you are looking for, and I hope you will now go and inform yourself about the policies and procedures that govern what you are trying to do here. Accounting4Taste:talk 01:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

For the barnstar...

I thank you very much. Your commitment to civility in all aspects of this project is exemplary and a barnstar like that means that much more coming from someone like you. I appreciate it very much.

Thanks again.

Peace! Big Bird (talk • contribs) 15:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

My pleasure -- I don't give them out often, but you did take the time to take me through the logic of how you approached the situation so that I could understand these situations better in the future. and that was much appreciated. I must say that I thought the fact that it looks like a star on Hollywood Boulevard was very appropriate!!! Thanks again for your help and if I have any WP:ENTERTAINER questions, I'll come to you!! Accounting4Taste:talk 15:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Ha ha. Good call on the barnstar looking like a walk of fame star! I hadn't noticed before but you are right. The funny thing is that I'm from Windsor, Ontario and there's a tiny walk of fame in front the Capitol Theatre in downtown Windsor for the handful of famous Windsor born and bred actors. Just a couple of weeks ago, while walking through, I was studying those stars intently trying to remember how closely they resemble their Hollywood counterparts and I tried to make a mental note to look it up on the internet when I get home but I forgot all about it until now. Thanks for reminding me to do that but, I must admit, I must go revisit the Capitol Theatre because, by now, I've forgotten what the Windsor stars look like anymore. I may have a bad memory, but at least I don't have a bad memory :) Big Bird (talk • contribs) 16:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Landon IP

An article that you have been involved in editing, Landon IP, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Landon IP. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Edcolins (talk) 21:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Please may you undelete my articl Dark Sunshine?

It said it was removed as blatant advertising. I had simply put up the what we do and who we are with a bit of statistics in the vacation rental industry. It really isn't advertising, we'd just like our page. 

              Thanks, Jason

Dear Jason: thanks for your note. I'm afraid you and I have different opinions of what constitutes advertising, and my concept is based on our relevant policy materials; essentially, assertions made by the principal of a business about that business that do not conform to a neutral point of view. My reading of the deleted material still makes me think it falls under that policy. However, I will be happy to restore the deleted material to what we call a "sandbox" page where you will have a few weeks to get the material in line with our policies before re-mounting if, if you choose to do that. In a moment, I'll provide you with a link to that sandbox page, and make sure that your talk page contains a standard welcome message that will give you immediate access to all kinds of basic principles that govern our work here. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The material is at User:VacaConnect/Sandbox. Incidentally, it may well be that someone will ask you to change your user name, since it seems to violate our conflict of interest policy. Best of luck with your efforts, and you already have the standard welcome message, which I recommend to your attention. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Please may you un delete my article Dark Sunshine?

Why: Becuse i am working on a novel and i need to copy and paste this part to my other computer it is a viatal part of my novel so please, i beg you. may you un delete the article.

I typed up the peice on a diffrent computer in collage (which i don't go to anymore) and i put it on here three so i could transfer (i must of forgott about it) it over. So once agian my you un delete my article i would be very greatful. 

              Thank you. - Kie250.

Kie250 (talk) 16:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't "undelete" your article in the way you request. Ordinarily I would be happy to restore the deleted material to a sandbox page, so that you could work on it and add references and citations. However, I see that the deleted material is essentially a piece of creative writing, meant entirely to be a novel. That means that it could never be appropriate for Wikipedia under any circumstances; we only offer facts here. However, I will offer you two alternatives. I'll either restore the material to a "sandbox" page where you can retrieve it, under the condition that I will delete the material again 48 hours later under any circumstances; or, you can enable an e-mail address whereby you can receive this material by e-mail and let me know that you have done that. Your choice. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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