User talk:5225C/2020/September

Archives

WikiCup 2020 September newsletter[edit]

The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were

Bloom6132, with 1478 points gained mainly from 5 featured lists, 12 DYKs and 63 in the news items;
HaEr48 with 1318 points gained mainly from 2 featured articles, 5 good articles and 8 DYKs;
Lee Vilenski with 1201 points mainly gained from 2 featured articles and 10 good articles.

Between them, contestants achieved 14 featured articles, 14 featured lists, 2 featured pictures, 87 good articles, 90 DYK entries, 75 ITN entries, 95 featured article candidate reviews and 81 good article reviews. Congratulations to all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2020).

Administrator changes

Eddie891

Angela • Jcw69 • Just Chilling • Philg88 • Viajero

CheckUser changes

SQL

Guideline and policy news

Following a request for comment, the minimum length for site ban discussions was increased to 72 hours, up from 24.
A request for comment is ongoing to determine whether paid editors must or should use the articles for creation process.
A request for comment is open to resolve inconsistencies between the draftification and alternative to deletion processes.

Arbitration

A request for comment is open to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the 2020 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee election and to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.
An open request for comment asks whether active Arbitrators may serve on the Trust and Safety Case Review Committee or Ombudsman commission.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources needed for Days of the Year pages[edit]

I see you recently accepted pending changes to April 29 and April 30 that did not include direct sources.

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the edit notices on those pages, the content guideline and/or the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide.

All new additions to the DOY pages without references are now being either reverted on-sight or in some cases where the patroller is especially motivated, immediately sourced. I've gone ahead and backed these edits out.

All the pages in the Days of the Year project have had pending changes protection turned on to prevent vandalism and further addition of entries without direct sources. As a pending changes patroller, it's not required but it sure would be helpful if you didn't accept additions to day of year pages where no direct source has been provided on that day of year page. The burden to provide sources for additions to these pages is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages.

Thank you and please keep up your good work! Toddst1 (talk) 18:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddst1: Thank you, I'll keep this in mind.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 22:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

McLaren MCL35 - Gulf Oil[edit]

I'm wondering why my edit is reverted. The link to the Gulf Oil page is working. I replaced the Gulf Oil LP link with Gulf Oil, because Gulf Oil LP is only the company that owns the rights to the brand in the USA. The McLaren sponsor is Gulf Oil International Ltd, which doesn't have a proper wiki page, but is covered in the Gulf Oil article (see Revival). It owns the rights to the brand in almost all the rest of the world. https://www.mclaren.com/racing/partners/gulf-oil-ltd/gulf-partners-mclaren-announce-multi-year-partnership-covering-f1-and-luxury-super-cars/

Thanks! --Jonymamilou (talk) 03:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reading the Gulf Oil page it lists it as defunct which is what I initially saw, but yes, looking at this you are correct. Sorry for the confusion.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 03:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I get it.. Probably Gulf Oil International would need it's own article, because I believe the original Gulf Oil company is defunct indeed. Anyway, thanks.--Jonymamilou (talk) 03:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: 2020 Tuscan Grand Prix (September 10)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Tvx1 was:

The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at 2020 Tuscan Grand Prix. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

There is redirect that blocks a move. This draft's content can actually be merged into it to develop that into the requested article.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:2020 Tuscan Grand Prix and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:2020 Tuscan Grand Prix, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

T v x1 01:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, 5225C! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! T v x1 01:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Sponsor links[edit]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a website promotion for these sponsors. These wikilinks serve no benefit for the page. They must be removed even for the other races. WP:SEAOFBLUE as user @SSSB: already explained.--Island92 (talk) 12:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SEAOFBLUE does not apply to several of these pages as I mentioned on your talk page. These links aren't promotional, they're connecting the races to their sponsors – that's why we have the official Grand Prix names on each page (example). They exist as far back as 2015 and I haven't see any consensus or policy against them.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 12:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Above there is written Formula 1 Pirelli Gran Premio della Toscana Ferrari 1000 2020 not Formula 1 Pirelli Gran Premio della Toscana Ferrari 1000 2020. Why should we report the wikilink into the box?--Island92 (talk) 12:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I'm not quite understanding your point there. The link is meant to connect the race with its official sponsor, which in this case the name includes Pirelli and Scuderia Ferrari.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, you can start a new talk into Wiki Project Formula One.--Island92 (talk) 13:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why do I need to get consensus to keep doing something that's been done for 5+ years?
5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because, as I've already meant, it is useless to report those wikilinks into the box. In the past, as IP, I did the same, but user @SSSB: reverted my edits for the same reason I'm saying to you now.--Island92 (talk) 13:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This edit summary by Admanny makes me think that nothing has changed in terms of WP:F1 procedure. I think it would be best if @SSSB: explained their reasons for reverting both of us then.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 22:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but you and Admanny are wrong. It means no benefit for the encyclopedia adding a sponsor wikilink.--Island92 (talk) 00:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

By the same logic you can dismiss all wikilinks. I have already made it clear the benefit. If you want to change a 5+ year old practice, then that's on you to get consensus or policy against it, not me.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@5225C and Admanny:, I see my name is being thrown around here (there are discussions about this on both your pages). Firstly this is not a formal practice. It is something someone started doing in 2015 and up until now no-one has cared. I remove these wikilinks if (and only if) they are a WP:SEAOFBLUE violation. If they aren't a seaofblue violation I don't really care.

However, I have to agree with Island92 that (with the exception of Ferrari for the Tuscan Grand Prix, where Tuscan Grand Prix doesn't need a wikilink as it retargets to the same page anyway) I don't see how wikilinking title sponsers serves any benefit to the reader. Nothing on the title sponser pages is remotely relevant to anything that happens in the Grand Prix weekend, but like I said I don't really care.
SSSB (talk) 09:16, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've only mentioned you because it appears Island92 is basing their opinion off of your edits. Like I mentioned, I understand and accept that some of these links may be WP:SEAOFBLUE violations. On the other hand, there is a fairly long-standing practice of linking the sponsors and there is more of a benefit (connecting Grand Prix to name sponsor) than there is of a detriment (which is yet to be explained other than the WP:SEAOFBLUE ones).
5225_C (talk • contributions) 09:19, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

5225C, you could argue Wikipedia:OVERLINK or consistency (not saying I do, remaining neutral).
SSSB (talk) 09:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but I would dismiss OVERLINK since it doesn't mention anything like this situation. I would even say that they should be included for consistency with 2015-2019 race reports, rather than removed for inconsistency with SEAOFBLUE links.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 09:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you prefer following the 2015-2019 consistency please add wilinks from the Australian race until the Italian Grand Prix.--Island92 (talk) 10:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did, and you reverted them.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I perfectly know I reverted, but principally I reverted for a reason, as it initially had been done here by @SSSB:.--Island92 (talk) 10:19, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I am concerned consistency is second to WP:SEAOFBLUE. I never understood why article-to-article consistency is so important to some people with what I consider to be minor things.
SSSB (talk) 10:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So would I be correct in saying you don't mind the links unless they're SEAOFBLUE violations?
5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes.
SSSB (talk) 11:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So, what's the conclusion of this story? Should we report every single sponsor wikilink for all races of this season as it's done here Draft:2020 Tuscan Grand Prix?--Island92 (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Island92: the conclusion is that these wikilinks are acceptable so long as WP:SEAOFBLUE is observed.
SSSB (talk) 14:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, shall I add them from the Australian race until Italian race?--Island92 (talk) 14:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Waiting for a response.--Island92 (talk) 10:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, except for the SEAOFBLUE ones.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which are the SEAOFBLUE ones? Per 2015-2019 season we added a wikilink sponsor for each single race.--Island92 (talk) 11:22, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Island92: WP:SEAOFBLUE are where two wikilinks are next to each other making it look like one. Things like this: [[Pirelli]] [[Spanish Grand Prix]] are a violation of this as it produces this:"Pirelli Spanish Grand Prix". It being this way from 2015-2019 article is not a reason we should continue to ignore this guidline.
SSSB (talk) 11:26, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you.--Island92 (talk) 11:36, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:2020 Tuscan Grand Prix has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:2020 Tuscan Grand Prix. Thanks! --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:07, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: 2020 Tuscan Grand Prix has been accepted[edit]

2020 Tuscan Grand Prix, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thanks again, and happy editing!

--Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moving drafts[edit]

I never claimed it is techically impossible. My point is that it’s just not necessary. You can simply merge the two. Something I already explained to you months ago. In fact, in the time you spent complaining about me, you could already have easily executed the merge.T v x1 13:22, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, to be fair to all involved you never outright said it was impossible. However, your behavior did indicate that you never considered any alternative to merger, which has now been explained as inappropriate because these are redirects and not existing content articles. But I think you forget that I did initially merge the drafts (Britain and Hungary), but the last three (four now) have not had to be merged because either the redirect was deleted or a page mover relocated the title, which I'm sure you'll agree is preferable to merging. I'm happy to delay for a couple hours to get a page move and avoid completing a merge.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 22:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 2020[edit]

Hi 5225C! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Steve Carell that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 12:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@UncleBubba: This was a typo correction, as the user whose edit I was approving had used " " as formatting instead of '' ''. I put the name of the film in italics, which is not disputable. By all standards this was a minor edit.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:27, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely right. I misread the diff, and I apologize for my mistake. I think I need more coffee... Cheers! — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 14:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 23:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: 2020 Russian Grand Prix has been accepted[edit]

2020 Russian Grand Prix, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thanks again, and happy editing!

T v x1 12:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]