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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jelena Žigon (July 14)[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jelena Žigon (July 14)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by TheImaCow was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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Your draft article, Draft:BoCode[edit]

Hello, БојанЦвјетковић. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "BoCode".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 16:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nebojša Glogovac[edit]

Hi Боки

I came across your addition to the article Nebojša Glogovac because of its use of an imdb link that are not of the approved type (see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Archive_79#Masking imdb links as wikilinks for the reason why) and in any case should not be in the body text (see WP:ELPOINTS). I removed that bit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Michael D. Turnbull,
Thank you very much for your edit!
I will ensure that future updates for any of the actors follow the guidelines you have mentioned.
Greetings,
Боки Talk page ↔️ Contributions 14:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! Do you mind telling me how you came across the trick of using links like Price iz Nepricave (Stories from Nepricava) in the first place? We have run a major campaign of removing from articles in the past couple of months and I'd like to update any "Help" page or similar that gives advice on using wiki markup like that to be clear it isn't approved for mainspace. Thanks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael D. Turnbull
All I did was I just highlighted the words that were related to Price iz Nepricave and I linked it to IMDB link by simply coping the IMDB link of the show. This was all done through visual editor.
I was not involved in any discussion that you have mentioned because I've been focused on Serbian Wikipedia for the past two years but I can definitely "give my two words" for anything you need in the future if required.
Please, advise
Боки Talk page ↔️ Contributions 14:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pomoć[edit]

Imao sam poteškoća sa administratorima Wikipedije koji su mi odbili moj draft za srpskog odbojkaša koji igra za reprezentaciju, zbog "nepouzdanih" izvora. Jedini način da dokažem da su pouzdani je da dovedem čoveka koji govori srpski i koje može reći da su izvori pouzdani. Tako da te molim da mi pomognes tako da proveriš te članke da bih mogao proširiti informacije za srpske odbojkaše.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Miran_Kujund%C5%BEi%C4%87 Narmerae (talk) 13:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Narmerae
Поздрав,
Имао сам истих проблема што се тиче енглеске Википедије где су ми одбили чланак о глумачкој диви, Јелени Жигон тако да стварно не знам на који начин би могао да ти помогнем.
Жао ми је.
Боки Talk page ↔️ Contributions 15:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pozdrav, hvala na brzom odgovoru. Momci su mi objasnili da trebam dovesti čoveka koji zna sprski, tako da ako možeš samo da proveriš te izvore moje što sam stavio na draft stranici.
Ako misliš da su izvori okej samo napiši ovde pa ću ja to njima preneti.
Hvala. Narmerae (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Narmerae
Регистрован сам и на енглеској Википедији само не видим да су игде колеге са те Википедије написале конкретан разлог.
Можда сам то промашио па ако можеш, молим те, да ми само копираш где су то написали и ко је то написао па ћу видети шта могу да урадим.
Поздрав,
Боки Talk page ↔️ Contributions 19:49, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pozdrav, imam male novosti, a to su da sam uspeo dokazati da su izvori dobri (Otisao sam na njihov Discord server). Jedino sto je ostalo samo da oni odobre taj draft ali ne znam koliko dugo ce to zauzeti jer su mi vec jednom odbili clanak jer nije kao znamenit. Tako da se nadam boljem uspehu sada.
Ako imas neke veze sa adminima engleske Wikipedije dobro bi doslo meni jer sam odavno zatrazio evaulaciju clanka.
Hvala na brzim odgovorima, pozdrav. Narmerae (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Narmerae
Свака Википедија је прича за себе. Ја сам интерфејс администратор на српској Википедији и немам никакве везе са администраторима других Википедија. Надам се да ће све бити у реду и ако ти буде потребно нешто, на располагању сам.
Срдачан поздрав,
Боки Talk page ↔️ Contributions 19:57, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Slobodan Šarenac (September 24)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
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Slobodan Šarenac – creation of articles from Serbian[edit]

Your Help desk question about Draft:Slobodan Šarenac was archived (here) before I could add a follow-up response, so I'll do so here. Given the lack of good sources, I think it will be very hard to establish WP:Notability for Šarenac, but here's a repeat of the links I posted at the thread, in case you want to try:

Alternatively, if you want to find another topic to translate, you could try any of these "featured articles" from Serbian Wikipedia:

List of 17 featured articles from sr-wiki not found in English Wikipedia
  1. Васо Мискин Црни
  2. Војна болница Ниш
  3. Град Бања Лука
  4. Грб Бање Луке
  5. Даворјанка Пауновић Зденка
  6. Душан Јерковић
  7. Живко Павловић
  8. Историја Срба пре Немањића
  9. Крашки процес
  10. Лужички Срби у раном средњем веку
  11. Медаља за ревносну службу (1913)
  12. Операција хапшења Драже Михаиловића
  13. Општина Баточина
  14. Споменик борцима Револуције
  15. Споменик палим Крајишницима
  16. Српски војни санитет у албанској голготи
  17. Школско развојно планирање

If you finish with those, or you're not interested in that topic, it's possible to generate more entries like this, on almost any topic of your choice. For instance, these:

List of 39 articles at sr-wiki related to Serbian football clubs, not found in English Wikipedia
  1. Ђорђе Андрић
  2. Ђорђе Лојанчић
  3. Јован Живковић Лута
  4. Александар Колаковић
  5. Београдски спорт клуб
  6. Бранислав Димитријевић
  7. Бранко Петровић
  8. Вечити дерби (БСК—Југославија)
  9. Владета Ђурић
  10. Добривоје Зечевић
  11. Драгослав Вирић
  12. Душан Чубраковић
  13. ЗШК Викторија Загреб
  14. Марко Килибарда
  15. Миленко Маловић
  16. Миленко Шкорић
  17. Миливоје Мушикић
  18. Милош Тановић
  19. Миодраг Миленковић
  20. Мирко Драшковић
  21. Мирослав Лукић (фудбалер)
  22. Михајло Начевић
  23. Младен Лазаревић
  24. Ненад Станковић (фудбалер, 1992)
  25. Никола Ђурић
  26. Никола Лакић
  27. Петар Јоксимовић
  28. Родољуб Маленчић
  29. СК Хајдук Сарајево
  30. Сава Маринковић
  31. Славко Милошевић
  32. Стадион Царева ћуприја
  33. Стеван Лубурић
  34. Стефан Филиповић (фудбалер)
  35. Стојан Поповић
  36. Урош Стојановић (фудбалер)
  37. ФК Еђшег
  38. ФК Спарта Земун
  39. ХШК Личанин

Hope this helps! Adding User:Sadko. Mathglot (talk) 02:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mathglot, thank you very much for your response and effort! Greatly appreciated.
I will definitely think of some ideas so I can add some Serbian Wikipedia on English (hopefully get approved :) )
I was wondering if you know, by any chance, what is the easiest way to link other pages on Wikipedia when you are translating ? The reason why I am asking is because when I use the content translator on Wikipedia, it only gives me the opportunity to translate from English to Serbian (which I do often) but it is not allowing me to translate the other way around. As you could, possibly, see all of these articles have bunch of internal links to other articles on Wikipedia and I dont want to miss them. Is there any way I can run something through and have all the links added ?
Once again, thank you for your response!
Боки ✉ 08:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know of an automatic way to do this, because it depends whether the target language has articles corresponding to those links or not. If it does, you can look them up in Wikidata. I don't use the content translator anymore; I used to, but I find it annoying; and I can translate faster without it. Let me think about this some more, to see what I can come up with. Mathglot (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot Yeah, target language can be an issue which is exactly why I want to avoid looking into WikiData if possible.
I can translate without it 3x faster but the biggest issue with it is that is does not interlink any of the articles so that will take LOTS of time to generate all of those links to ensure everything is covered.
References are not an issue, I can easily "plug them in" and we will be done with it but interlinks are going to be an issue if they cannot be done.
See, with Serbian Wikipedia how I do it is I run it through translator and it automatically picks up the interlinks so you can just proofread the segment you are adding, copy paste it with the wikitext and you are done !
Please, see if this is something possible.
I could write another topic on tech support page and see if someone else has an idea how to fix it. Do you recommend it doing it ?
Боки ✉ 08:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I have something in mind, but it's too vague yet to formulate a specific request for. The general idea would be to do the translation, except for the links, leaving breadcrumbs where the links should go, as a way of tagging material to flag an area that needs attention by a link-postprocessor, and then make a request for a new script which would process the translated page, and know how to look up the links in wikidata. The part that is not amenable to scripting, however, is when there is no link in language B for an article in A, and in those cases, you want to create an {{ill}} instead, e.g., {{ill}}, where "Српски назив чланка" exists on sr-wiki, but "English article name" does *not* exist on en-wiki. The post-processor script could build a dummy {{ill}}, leaving the first parameter, the English article name, as a substitution token, but there is no automated way to derive "English article name", because it might look very different than a straight, word-for-word B-to-A translation, and you have to do book, scholar, and web search to figure out a good, likely name for an article in English that does not exist yet and meets WP:COMMONNAME. I do this all the time, but it takes time, and I see no possible way to automate this step; when translating, probably 50% of my time is taken up by determining the proper English name for topics that exist in language A, but not in English, so I can write a proper {{ill}} for it. If you decided to just skip linking articles for which lang B doesn't have an article, you could probably transate twice as fast, and translate another article in the time you needed to fill in all the {{ill}}s, but whether that is a good trade-off for our readers or not, is hard to say. I think {{ill}}s are very worthwhile, so I take the time, maybe at the cost of translating only half the number of articles that I otherwise could. Your solution might be different. Mathglot (talk) 09:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As an example, have a look at French criminal law, and look at the red links with superscript foreign blue links—those are the {{ill}}s. This is mostly *not* a translation, but it faces the same issue with respect to creation of the {{ill}}s as a translated article does. Coming up with the right English red-linked term for an expression from French law that has no article in English is tricky, especially since the two legal systems are not compatible, and sometimes there is no good answer. The research to find the proper term used in reliable English sources that discuss French law can be time-consuming (I have several books in English about French law borrowed from my nearest university law library). In a case like this, finding the proper term just to create a red link in English for a French legal term can take quite a bit of careful research, and you still don't end up with a blue link in the article! One way I attack this, is by concentrating on one topic area, such as French criminal law, and then I start with a glossary, like Glossary of French criminal law, and use that both for proper development of the article body, as well as a resource for finding the proper English term to use for the red linked param in the {{ill}} templates. Mathglot (talk) 09:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot With everything that I have seen/read/discovered, I think the fastest option will be to literally go sentence by sentence (possibly from one reference to another just so I don't get flagged with too many edits) and just edit entries like that with addition of links whenever found in whatever sentence as I am translating.
Once I am done whole article, then just submit it and then I am truly hoping whoever is reviewing the article does not find something misleading to not approve it after all the work is done.
Question: Before I submit it, can I "count on you" to review it so to see if I was just "wasting my edits" or if this is something that will actually get approved ?
Боки ✉ 09:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure; I can't be 100% sure what would get approved, and if you spend some time with our guidelines until you grok what they are about, especially WP:Notability, your estimation of the likelihood of approval will probably be just as good as mine. If you plan to contribute a lot here, it's worthwhile sitting with the policies and guidelines for a bit. Mathglot (talk) 09:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My part that I don't understand (and probably never will) is if something gets approved on one Wikipedia, why does it not get approved the same way on another. However, that's just my opinion.
I will start (possibly next week or whenever I have time) with some editing and see where it goes
Thanks again for all your effort !
Боки ✉ 09:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This last question is the easiest one of all to answer. The different Wikipedias all have their own rules, written by the volunteer editors themselves. There are very few rules that apply to all Wikipedias, mostly having to do with legal issues (no violation of WP:COPYRIGHT, no WP:LIBEL, wmf:Terms of Use, etc.) but other than that, each one makes its own rules. To edit here, you need to learn en-wiki rules, and the most important one for creating new articles, is WP:Notability. Spend some time with it, until it sinks in. Mathglot (talk) 09:41, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot We are talking about notability (which I completely agree with) yet I have seen lots of articles on English Wikipedia that are totally pointless to have (such as association football players that play in third or fourth tier leagues) yet I write article about one of the acting divas of Serbian movie industry as well as one of the most popular Serbian sports reporters and nothing gets approved.
Tell me how I should "believe" that there is notability in this example I just pointed out ?
Боки ✉ 09:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're absolutely right, and there's even a term for that here: WP:OTHERSTUFF. The point being, if you get pulled over by the cop for running the red light, the fact that another car right before you *also* ran the red light, does not help your case; they should get a ticket, too, sure; but it doesn't help you. So, the solution here, is to nominate those articles about the association football players for deletion. Meanwhile, you're still faced with the original problem. But I get the frustration; it feels unfair, and it *is* unfair. Part of this is because we are an all-volunteer project, and such things are likely to happen. But if you have the time to do it, absolutely you should nominate those other articles for deletion. Mathglot (talk) 09:55, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot At the end of the day, all I can do is just keep trying and hoping that I learn from other reviews and recommendations such as yours.
Боки ✉ 21:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think your best shot is finding several sources of the type I described in my comment of 08:23, 19 July at this discussion. To be fair, I have to say that I really tried to find sources (in English or Serbian) that would help you establish WP:Notability, but I wasn't successful, and I have to tell you that I'm not optimistic that such sources exist. Nevertheless, if there's any further way I can help, please let me know. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 22:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot Take a look at this.
I have just started, based on your suggestion, this draft. This should be done by the end of upcoming week and we shall see what happens.
I would love to hear your opinion on this start so far.
Боки ✉ 22:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The well-known city of Banja Luka is unquestionably notable, and has had an article on en-wiki for twenty years. You should stop work on your draft and not waste your time further. You have to remember that there are 6.7 million articles on en-wiki, and you should always search first for your topic, before starting to write anything. Mathglot (talk) 22:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot Well, there goes half an hour of my time :) I was looking at the Serbian version of the article and it did not have a connection with the English one so I thought with your suggestions above, I am set :)
Never mind, I will find something else
Боки ✉ 22:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One other thing: the references you used in your draft are in Serbian, but there are hundreds, or maybe thousands of equally good references available in English for Banja Luka. Remember I mentioned to you someplace that when sources are available in English that are just as good, en-wiki prefers English sources. Please keep this in mind, when you start your next Draft. If no sources are available in English, or if they are of poor quality, then by all means use sources in Serbian (or in any language). (edit conflict) Mathglot (talk) 22:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot Fully understandable. I will do my best to find as much of English sources as I can. Any "shortcut" (other than Googling stuff) to do this ?
Боки ✉ 22:54, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, four:

  • The internet archive – 38 million books and other documents; many older books available full-text (especially < 1926); many newer books under copyright can be "borrowed" for one hour at a time (renewable)
  • Your local library – don't underestimate this: with a library card in my local library, I have free digital access online to 500 databases of books, academic journals, and other documents, some of which have millions of documents (JSTOR, GALE Academic OneFile, EBSCO Academic Search Complete, ProQuest, etc.)
  • The Wikipedia Library (TWL) – a wonderful collaborative initiative between Wikipedia and dozens of major online content providers, normally fee-based or membership-protected, but available to you for free through your Wikipedia login; lots of full-text documents, some documents citation-only. See WP:The Wikipedia Library.
  • The Resource request page at WP:RX – if you find a citation-only source at your library database or at TWL and the full text is not available there, then try WP:RX as a last resort: other Wikipedia users may be able to get your reference for you via private memberships, university affiliation, or otherwise.

Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 18:34, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It definitely does !
Thank you !
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Your signature[edit]

Your signature, [[User:Боки|<font color="red" face="Monotype Corsiva" size="3">Боки</font>]] <sup>[[File:Nuvola apps gaim.png|20px]]</sup> <small>[[User talk:Боки|<sup><font color="blue">Write to me!</font></sup>]]</small>, uses <font>...</font>, which is deprecated. Please change the font tags to span tags.
It should look something like this:

[[User:Боки|<span style="color: red; font-family: Monotype Corsiva;  font-size:3">Боки</span>]] <sup>[[File:Nuvola apps gaim.png|20px]]</sup> <small>[[User talk:Боки|<sup><span style="color: blue">Write to me!</span></sup>]]</small>


which produces:
Боки Write to me! — Qwerfjkltalk 17:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Qwerfjkl Issue has been fixed. Боки Write to me! 21:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Your draft article, Draft:Banja Luka[edit]

Hello, Боки. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Banja Luka".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 23:56, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Боки. Not sure what was in your Draft but note that English Wikipedia already has an article on Banja Luka. If your draft had important information that you need, you can get it back. Mathglot (talk) 09:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot To be honest with you, I am not even sure what that was about. I probably started something and forgot about it. 6 months is way too long to remember what I have tried on Wikipedia :) Боки ☎ ✎ 23:47, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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