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CFC

Thanks for your attempt to keep the article sane and based on reliable sources. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced people in Ex-gay movement

I've gone ahead and sourced everything that you contested as unsourced. Feel free to drop me a note if you see errors or omissions. Providing encyclopedic coverage of such a controversial topic is indeed a delicate BLP balance, isn't it? Jclemens (talk) 00:01, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit war

I suggest you stop moving the edit war you are involved in to new language versions all the time. Discuss things on one language version (why not here on enwp?) and then move on to other language versions. GameOn (talk) 08:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Etiquette, policy, etc.

Hi, regarding some of your recent comments at the RfD, I gently suggest that you leave out (and even go back and strike) your thoughts regarding other editors' motivations. See WP:Etiquette - there are various procedures for handling difficult situations with other editors (e.g. WP:WQA, WP:DDE, WP:DR), but until that point it's best to stick to policy; don't give others the ability to bring action against you. Best, AV3000 (talk) 14:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I striked some of my comments per WP:AGF. Thanks for your advice. But, user who started AFD didnt even read instructions how to do that. Please read my comment on talk page of the AFD page.--В и к и в и н д T a L k 14:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Good, thanks. Yup, I've requested assistance. AV3000 (talk) 14:36, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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sorry, I said talk page but meant discussion page

All the best

Boynamedsue (talk) 18:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

curiousity killed the cat

a strange question in deed. a simple answer: why should u see me on other language wikis, anyways? i don't know, since i don't see any point on wasting my time there. goodone (talk) 14:31, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

u will find that my answer is not so strange, if u realize that the main points u had for asking ur question in the 1st place r invalid by themselves. however, this is only valid if u do not think i should be wasting my time on at least seven different language wikis. if u do, well, then, i simply do not agree. i have a life after all. goodone (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

as for translation of the article, asaik, there is such an article on sr wiki already. well, it may not be complete, precise, or well structured and written as the one u r referring to, and it surely is outdated, but there is one. counted that somebody didn't delete it meanwhile, since the last time i checked was in 2008, and i somehow got the feeling it wasn't updated either. moreover, i don't want to waste time searching for it now; the entire cyrillic nonsense is too much for me. anyways, have fun translating. wikipedia surely could use more activity. goodone (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

National Socialism

As the article is a redirect from National Socialism and there is NO separate article thereon, it is clear that referring to National Socialism and making it extremely clear that the reference is not about Nazism must belong properly in some article, and this is "the only game in town". Please self-revert the Nazism revert you made, or show me what article it belongs in -- noting that there is NO "National Socialism" article. Cheers. Collect (talk) 17:41, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Zoosexuality

What about this as a sexual orientation? You want to support its inclusion at the Sexual orientation article? Homosexuals and zoosexuals, in the same boat. You can come in and comment on the talk page. 120.203.215.11 (talk) 01:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I am aware of the discussion, and the only reason why I didn′t commented is because I know it will not happen. There are no reliable scientific sources that classify "zoosexuality" as a sexual orientation. It is a pathetic attempt of one user, and it will never pass. And message for you - be careful because this can be seen as canvassing. Regards!--В и к и T 08:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

eh srbine...:(

ne verujem...frapirao sam se kad sam video da si ti predlozio brisanje clanka potpisani...nije te mrzelo da trazis clanak po engleskoj vikipediji i od milion stranih korisnika i urednika ti budes bas taj koji ce predloziti brisanje clanka o srpskoj seriji na engleskom vikiju??? ...ej, srbine, srbine... najgori smo...sad razumem izreku ko ce kome ako ne svoj svome...i treba da izumremo i medjusobno se istebimo kad smo ovakvi...lepo je patrijarh Pavle rekao: budimo ljudi iako smo Srbi...ali dzaba :((((...apsolutno ne znam koji ti je motiv (korist, cilj ili bilo sta drugo) za ovo osim da komsiji (meni) crkne krava...uzasnut sam...--Astreriks (talk) 19:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

ne radi se uopte o tome da li ce na kraju clanak biti obrisan ili ne, vec tvoj motiv da uradis tako jednu, po meni, podmuklu stvar koja ce, bez obzira na ishod, ostaviti oziljak na mom srcu poput bratski zabijenog noza u ledja. izvini ako sam te necim povredio, ali zaista ne mogu da pronikenem u tvoju glavu i pronadjem opravdavajuci motiv za tvoj postupak. cak i da je clanak potpuno irelevantan kako kazes (a nije), cak i da su neki autori zloupotebljavali vikipediju sa lutkama ili cime vec (mada ne znam kakve to veze ima sa ovim engleskim vikijem), pa ne bi trebalo da se brukamo i pljujemo medjusobno pred strancima i da od svih mogucih administratora, urednika i koriisnika budes bas ti koji ce to uraditi. pa majku mu, nasi smo ako nista drugo...pljujmo se u svom dvoristu ali bar ne iznosimo taj prljavi ves napolje...ja to ne mogu da shvatim zaista...umesto da ti je drago, koliko god smatras clanak irelevantnim, da je neki srpski clanak prosao na stranom jeziku, tebi je jedini motiv da oblatis i srozas komsiju...jos jednom izvini, na mozda nekim grubo izrecenim recima u afektu, ali zaista ne znam kako drugacije da protumacim tvoje postupke...kao sto rekoh, zgranut sam.--Astreriks (talk) 06:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

For your consideration

Wikipedia:Don't revert due solely to "no consensus" regarding [1]. Respectfully. Crazynas^t 13:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

But you need a consensus to change four years old policy. That's how things works here. For your information, I supported the change during the RFC, but this is wrong way to go. Regards!--В и к и T 13:38, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

(Procedural note: I got you on my list, so can we keep the discussion here for my sanity?)

Oh really? WP:BOLD, WP:BRD, do not apply to policies now? Crazynas^t 13:56, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:BRD is an essay, and you should read that ...but please be careful part of WP:BOLD.--В и к и T 14:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks.--В и к и T 16:35, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hej Brate!

Super sto sam nasao nekoga iz Bivse Juge :) Zelim i ja da pomognem Srbiji na wikiju. Do sada sam samo jedan "article" napisao ali zelim da napisem, ili pomognem, na mnogo vise. Moj prvi "article" je bijo Sumadijska Okruzna Liga Srbije, ne brini dodacu vise samo kad budem imao vremena. Vidim da imas vise iskustva od mene, i hteo bi da budemo u kontaktu preko wiki. Bez frke brate, hvala :D MoravaiDrina (talk) 06:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Kako baš mene nađe :) Ima još mnogo korisnika sa prostora Bivše Juge. Možda ih lakše možeš pronaći preko wikiprojekata (npr: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Serbia) ili preko kategorija (Category:User sr. Nisam ni ja nešto aktivan na engleskoj vikipediji. Pozdrav!--В и к и T 19:10, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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AfD request

Please explain why you think an AfD is appropriate? The article was previously redirected by consensus, therefore the article should remain redirected until consensus changes. Fasttimes68 (talk) 21:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know all relevant facts but if I'm not mistaken, article is deleted 8 months ago. In the meantime she got news coverage as a result of lawsuit against the NYPD, so it's not the same article that was deleted 8 months ago. You should really start new deletion request if you think she's not notable. --В и к и T 21:26, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

PS. If you continue to abuse your rollback privileges, I will ask their removal. See WP:ROLLBACK.--В и к и T 21:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

One use isn't abuse. This article is essentially the same as the earlier version. If there is a disagreement about this, it should be discussed first.. This is really just a procedural issue, and I don't think AfD is the place for it at the moment -- the talk page of the article should sufficent to respect the previous consensus. Of course I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Regards. Fasttimes68 (talk) 21:43, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

The correct place to debate this is DRV and that what what you should do, take the draft to DRV and see if community consensus supports restoration. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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Think of it this way

With a significant number of Opposes, a ban right now would be controversial and noisy. With that closure in place, it is very unlikely that POV editing will get by the onlookers, and any ban will be much easier to enforce and defend because it comes after an unambiguous warning of consequences.

The alternative is a "no consensus" close and punt it to ArbCom, which would leave you arguing for another month or two.

Watch, wait, and let Anupam dig their own grave if that's how it must be. Guy (Help!) 11:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I can agree that there was no consensus for site ban (although, there was growing support), but there was consensus for topic ban. More than 75% of users supported TB, and if you discount comments of those involved (including mine), that percentage is even higher. I don't think that you will be attacked by all sides, because Anupam is more than satisfied with this outcome. --В и к и T 14:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It's not a vote. I looked at the opinions, there were credible objections from people whose view I had no reason to discount. This way any ban resulting from continuation should have approaching 100% support. Guy (Help!) 15:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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BSA membership controversies 'Positions on homosexuality' section Discussion

Just wanted to tell you that there is discussion happening on the changes you made to the discussion, although I wan't 100% sure which changes your comment was referring to. I also wanted to state that I personally find your casual threats of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and casual inappropriate use of Wikipedia:Requests for comment to be immature. If you could actually discuss concerns on the talk page and act civil, it would make me happier and probably please other users on Wikipedia. ZybthRanger^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Homosexuality

I have read the article. Please read the talkpage. I dispute the use of this in the lead as original research and undue weight. While thauthor does use the term its weight on this article is more than questionable. Would you be inclined to discuss on the talkpage?--Amadscientist (talk) 22:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, i will discuss on talk page, where I will also raise question of your removal of sourced content from "Etimology" section.--В и к и T 22:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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YRC edits

By any chance, did you save a copy of the edits on YRC's user talk page before they got oversighted last night? Please drop me an email if you did. Prioryman (talk) 02:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

It would also be very helpful, since you saw the edits in question, if you could describe their nature on AN/I and why you reverted them. It's understandable that some people are frustrated that they can't see the evidence but I think it would help if those who did see them could explain what they saw. Prioryman (talk) 03:01, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

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Lionhead99 again at the Lesbian article

You might have missed it, but he reduced the lead in mostly the same way you reverted him before. I reverted him this time and left a message on his talk page about it.

And Happy Holidays. Flyer22 (talk) 16:29, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I missed that edit. I have 700 pages on my Watchlist, so it's hard to monitor everything. Thanks for the notice and Happy Holidays :)--В и к и T 18:57, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Since you filed an 3RR report 12 hours ago with no result yet, I thought I should let you know I have followed up at ANI, where I have broadened the scope of the complaint somewhat. Rivertorch (talk) 10:41, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi; FYI, please see my comment in this section. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Can you tell me which part of my notice was not neutrally worded?--В и к и T 04:39, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

There are a couple of different parts that could be interpreted as implying a preference for a particular outcome, though that may not have been your actual intent. In particular, the sentence—"If that argument is accepted, than all subcategories from Category:LGBT people by occupation will probably be deleted." That statement (1) is speculative, (2) is very probably not true, (3) goes beyond the necessarily information to inform others of the discussion, and (4) inflates the importance of the individual discussions to appear to make their saving necessary in order to save the entire Category:LGBT people by occupation tree. Based on this sentence, a user might well be influenced to !vote "keep" on the individual discussions because he wants to keep the Category:LGBT people by occupation tree rather than !voting on the merits of the individual discussions themselves. With these types of notices, less is usually better to maintain neutrality and the appearance of neutrality. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:19, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

thank you --Mstudiodf (talk) 19:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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Note

Yeah, I just saw your revert. (I didn't see it until after my second edit.) Sorry about that bad edit summary. I really did get the 404 error...in hindsight I think it may have been because I was clicking on the link from a diff. Even though the edit summary was wrong, I still think the removal was valid for other reasons. ~Adjwilley (talk) 20:32, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't have opinion on inclusion of Eckists. I only reverted because link was working. If you want to remove Eckists for other reasons, I will not revert.--В и к и T 20:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I will probably do that, per WP:STATUSQUO and because the link was forced in by edit warring. I personally think the group is not nearly notable enough for mention. ~Adjwilley (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Sometimes as an ordinary contributer I feel somewhat powerless when up against an administrator that knows the system better than I do. I've never been out to distort articles and promote something that isn't there. All I want to do is improve visbility and coverage of LGBT issues in a modest and balanced way. Contaldo80 (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I'd appreciate your advice though on how to handle the material on Mehmed II. My concern is that this will be lost as other editors ignore requests to engage in debate. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:28, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I have no opinion on whether to include this material, but if they refuse to discuss, then feel free to restore deleted text after the protection expires. Perhaps you should call them again to discuss the issue on the talk page.--В и к и T 09:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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2guys1horse.com

Hi, just letting you know that although you nominated 2guys1horse.com for deletion, someone has already redirected the page to Enumclaw horse sex case—you seem to have accidentally added the AfD template to the target page, so I've removed it. Scratch that; your edit beat mine! – 296.x (talk) 11:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the article is redirected at 07:18‎, 22 April 2013, and I nominated it for deletion at 07:19, 22 April 2013‎. I don't know how to close AFD discussion?--В и к и T 11:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

You can withdraw the nomination and, in this case, close as speedy keep. There are instructions on how to close it; I would only bother carrying out the first step (just "Closing the AfD", not "Carrying out the AfD close" on down) as it was an accidental nomination. – 296.x (talk) 11:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It's done.--В и к и T 11:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Is the content itself even viable for the merge-target, or are the refs that support it (as the AFD nom says) too unreliable and/or the site not notable enough to avoid WP:UNDUE? DMacks (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

It should not be merged. The only reliable source (Seattle Times) does not mention this site, other sources are completely unreliable.--В и к и T 12:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Jovanovic

I posted the bib.irb.hr link for Jovanovic's doctoral thesis – http://bib.irb.hr/prikazi-rad?lang=en&rad=385960 – to the Croatian biography's talk page last night. Article unchanged, still locked. Andreas JN 466 15:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I saw your comment last night. I expected from them to remove that content, not because they want to but as a part of damage control, but it seems that I was wrong. Aministrator who locked the article has made a lot of edits since then, so he probably saw your comment but chose not to respond. This morning, one user posted a link to facebook profile of that administrator, where he had picture of Ante Pavelić in his gallery. He quickly deleted the picture, but I have screenshot.--В и к и T 16:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that they do actually cite a secondary source further down: [3] Still, the statement that there is no ID number for him is just plain wrong, and it's clear that much of the paragraph is original (and faulty) research by people who don't like him. Not good. Best, Andreas JN 466 16:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Response to e-mail

For some reason, the e-mail reply I've sent you has bounced. Here's the answer:

Pozdrav! Ne suradjujem cesto na hr wikipediji pa se ne smatram kompetentnim da o tome komuniciram s Jimbom, ali razmisljam o tome da napisem osobno misljenje o trenutacnom skandalu na svojim korisnickim stranicama na engleskoj i na hrvatskoj vikipediji. Hocu li to uciniti ovisi o vremenu, a ako se to dogodi javit cu vam.

U zadnjih par dana od kad se digla ova b(r)uka naisao sam na nekoliko komentara na hr wikipediji koji se dijelom slazu s kritikama, pa mozete mozda kontaktirati njihove autore. To su par suradnika koji su na kaficu izrazili svoje neslaganje s "demantijem", zatim Flopy i Megnut, cija se misljenja o ovoj situaciji razlikuju i od vecine administratora i medjusobno, te Fausto koji je napustio Hr wikipediju pred par godina iz nevezanog razloga ali je opsirno pisao o problemima na njoj.

Hvala na povjerenju i sretno. – Miranche^T C 19:38, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

OK. If you change your mind, here is the link:User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Croatian_Wikipedia_controversy --В и к и T 19:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I had a chance to get a better sense of what's been going on so I left a comment on Jimbo's page. – Miranche^T C 23:44, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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