User talk:Manoj nav/Archive 1

July 2008

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As already pointed out by ClueBot, simply blanketting pages is not acceptable. If you disagree with the contents of an article, you should first try to initiate a discussion at the corresponding talk page. --Soman (talk) 11:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Simply blanketting pages is not the way to deal with content disputes. If you want the article deleted, then initiate request for deletion. That said, I doubt that the BIMARU article would be deleted, as it is a term often used in academia and newsmedia. --Soman (talk) 09:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Manoj nav

I have started Wikipedia:WikiProject Patna.Please check it. Please check my contribution page. I have started several Patna & bihar related topic , please contribute in them.

Thanks in advance.--Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 16:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Manoj nav

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Kosi river

Hi! I find that you have added photos in my article. Very good. Can you add some pictures of Kosi Barrage and the location where the embankment breached? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nvvchar (talk • contribs) 01:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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Warning

Read up on WP:VAND before you throw around accusations as you've done in your edit summary here. If you continue to make false accusations, you may be blocked. Consider this a formal warning. Sarvagnya 02:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Kindly update yourself with following events and stop bothering yourself for not understanding the article and for all your ignorance.

   * Attacks on Biharis in Maharashtra
   * Murder of innumerable Biharis in North East Indian States
   * Bomb explosion in Punjab in theater screening Bhojpuri movie

And stop giving FORMAL warnings to prove your innocence and stop deleting previous messages just because you don't like them. Kindly refer below why I commented your edit as vandalism.

The type of vandalism:Blanking

• important verifiable references are deleted with no valid reason(s) given in the summary.
• Removing all or significant parts of pages' content without any reason

Also please stop restoring to vandalism on your own talk page User_talk:Sarvagnya.

Manoj nav (talk) 11:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Title change.

Hi, I changed the title to (Economic distress of Biharis in India) what I believe is appropriately reflecting the content of the article. I am aware that changing the title hasnt solved all the problems and I still believe the article needs a lot of rewriting and will be doing my contributions whenever I find some time. Hope it is ok. Thanks. Docku^Hi 04:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, if there are editors who are concerned with the title and explain their concerns for changing the title, you have to address those concenrs. You can not make an unilateral decision changing the title without provinding any explanation just accusing the editor of vandalism. That is not the way wikipedia works. I also notice your free use of the word vandalism. If i notice such language again, you will be reported to administrators which could get you into trouble. Docku^Hi 13:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You have blanked following subsection-

"Genocide of Bihari culture"

Indian government, till recently, identified all Bihari languages (Bhojpuri, Magadhi, Maithili and Angika) as dialects of Hindi. A Bihari speaking Bihari accent of Hindi in the rest of India is frequently reminded of that he is speaking incorrect Hindi inspite of belonging to the Hindi heartland of India. This stereotype has been created by the establishments in Delhi to propagate Hindi at any cost. Bihari languages (Bhojpuri, Magadhi, Maithili and Angika) are descendants of ancient Magadhi-prakrit language spoken in the ancient kingdom of Magadha and are very different from Hindi or Urdu. Even after 60 years of India's independence Bihari languages, which are spoken by almost the whole of the population of Bihar, have not been given official status. Maithili was granted official status in 2004, after an active movement, through its inclusion in the Eighth Schedule of the Indian Constitution, so that it may be used in education, government, and other official contexts.

Will any administrator make me understand if this is not vandalism. If any editor has any dispute, he or she is supposed to add citation tags and give the previous editors time to further modify it. Instead of this the subsection has been blanked.

The section headings Causes of xenophobia and prejudice against Biharis and Notable establishment sponsored incidents of hate and prejudice against the community has been changed to to Causes and Notable incidents respectively to dilute the topic and then it has been claimed to change the title to Economic distress of Biharis in India or Treatment of Bihari economic migrants in India or Anti-Bihari migrant sentiment in India. Do we need experts to confirm if these anti-bihari sentements are racism. Why is it so difficult to assimilate?

Manoj nav (talk) 06:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any reference (not just any, reliable) for any of the information written in "Genocide of Bihari culture"? Without references, contentious materials will be removed immediately from article even if many of the editors editing the article (including you and me) think and believe it is true. verifiability is the first rule (not the only).

"Xenophobia", "racism" and "establishment sponsored incidents" are incredibly loaded words and without extraordinary references, they stand no chance in the article. In fact, I would caution you against adding them in the future because doing so without a strong evidence could get you into trouble.

Read the following policies during the small break, WP:VERI, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:NOT, WP:REDFLAG, WP:UNDUE and several others. Remember, if the informations which we add breach even one of these policies, it cant stay in wikipedia. Good luck. Docku^Hi 14:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Why have I been blocked?

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Request reason:

The reason I have been blocked is "user has been logging out and double debating". I have been editing wikipedia for more then a month. Initially I started editing with out any user name. I access internet at office and home. I some times do minor edits on the fly during busy hours without login in. But I have never used this while debating or voting on an issue. Infact these days I make it a point to login and then make any edit, which even if I don't do, can't be called "user has been logging out and double debating". Kindly justify the decision or unblock.

Decline reason:

Manoy, you have been double editing talk pages and articles with both IP and the registered account. It is not allowed by WP:SOCK as it looks like there are two different people supporting the same point of view. In future, if you accidentally edited a talk page without being registered then please register and sign. No reasons to unblock Alex Bakharev (talk) 07:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

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The history on the page Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Racism_faced_by_Bihari_people_in_India can be read, where I have genuinely typed my signature instead of using "~" symbols to reveal my identity during debating because I was using a machine with a different IP address, when I was out of the town and I didn't login initially.

• Comment - If it is over, then kindly close the discussion. (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - If it is over, then kindly close the discussion. (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.159.247.82 (talk)

• Comment - If it is over, then kindly close the discussion. Manoj nav (talk) 19:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Manoj nav (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

{{unblock|Kindly enlightenment me about my second user account and let me know incidents where I have done double debating using a second account.

A sock puppet is an alternative account used DECEPTIVELY. Some examples that clearly violate this policy would be using two usernames to vote more than once in a poll. All Wikipedians may register a username or account from which they may edit. This account will, over time, build up an edit history and become that person's Wikipedia "identity", helping others to interact with the person and understand their interests and point of view.

The history on the page Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Racism_faced_by_Bihari_people_in_India can be read, where I have genuinely typed my signature instead of using "~" symbols to reveal my identity during debating because I was using a machine with a different IP address, when I was out of the town and I didn't login initially.

• Comment - If it is over, then kindly close the discussion. (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - If it is over, then kindly close the discussion. (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.159.247.82 (talk)

• Comment - If it is over, then kindly close the discussion. Manoj nav (talk) 19:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

How can you block an editor if out of ignorance he makes an edit, once in hundred, without logging in? that too in no recent days. It should be observed that most of the editors on wikipedia start without an user account because they are not used to wikipedia and after some time they begin to understand the technical aspects of the website. Claiming some one to have sock puppet (in my case non-registered IP account) because of his or her ignorance is not justified.}}

• I think this block will motivate you not to do it again and to be more careful; I'm leaving the decision to another admin though. Stifle (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

• Instead of getting motivated I am shocked that wikipedia is so prone to misunderstanding and administrator possibly have fewer tools which could help them to take authentic actions. Manoj nav (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

History of mails between Yellow Monkey (administrator who blocked me) and manoj_nav (myself).

Yellow Monkey: I believe that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bihar#Someone_has_edited_the_introduction_without_discussion.

is not allowed; you have debated Fundamental metric tensor under your IP, and then under your registered account. You are not allowed to give the impression of being two people in this way.

Manoj_nav

2nd mail: The date (11 August 2008 ) on which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bihar#Someone_has_edited_the_introduction_without_discussion this discussion was made was the second day of mine as an editor on wikipedia when I had no account on wikipedia.

3rd mail : I discovered in the history page that the 1st edit make by Special:Contributions/202.144.93.138 is 3 August 2006. This is my office IP. Lots of people must be making edits using this IP. The 1st edit I have made is dated 23 July 2008 related to topic Magadha. This is a case of misunderstanding and ignorance. Kindly unblock.

NB: The time I made my 1st edit is not when I routinely starting contributing for wikipedia. 202.144.93.138 and 122.169.81.43 are the ips of the computers which I generally use.

Manoj nav (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Considering the explanation above, and seeing edits like this, I believe Manoj nav. This does not seem to be an attempt at deception. Giving my support for an unblock. -- Ned Scott 20:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Your block is expired. Stifle (talk) 21:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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NOR/notice board

FYI, Anti-Bihari migrant sentiment in India article you created has been listed at the Original research notice board here by User:Sarvagnya. Docku^Hi 20:05, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

no problem. u got it. Docku^Hi 19:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hindi template

Can you please tell me why you changed the template again? Bihari as per linguistics is not a part of the Hindi group. We don't go by social perceptions on wikipedia, and that is why we have declared Hindi and Urdu also to be the same language. Maquahuitl^talk! 05:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually those issues need to be sorted out. We need to make space for social perceptions notwithstanding that we stress on facts. Therefore, in articles we can perhaps put disclaimers that "these XYZ families are socially considered to be a part of Hindi but are not considered the same from the POV of linguistics etc.". However, in something like a template we should mention only factual details. Maquahuitl^talk! 06:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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Racism faced by Bihari community in India

You have basically undone all the changes I have done sometime before. You havent answered any of the concerns regarding Original research. You havent answered why you call it racism (again original research) when all Indians are the same race. It appears to me that you havent really understood the problems with the article. Pls understand WP is not a medium to advertise your displeasure, ideas and opinions to the world, but rather an encyclopedia. I have posted the same message in the article talk page, let us try to keep the discussion there. Docku:“what up?” 15:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

caution

Apparently, you seem to be adding a lot of material to this article Racism faced by Bihari Community in India such as this. Words including "Xenophobia'" and "racism" are original research. If you choose to continue adding original research without any regard for wikipedia policies, you will be reported to Administrators notice board and could get blocked. Docku:“what up?” 00:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for informing

Hello, The article needs more sources like these that explicitly state "racism", "prejudice", "xenophobia" against Biharis. Otherwise the article looks more like a personal opinion (ie. original research and synthesis). I appreciate your effort in adding references like these. Do inform me once again when you are done. Similarly, please improve the Causes section with sources that actually state "the causes of prejudice against Biharis". --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 17:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I cant agree more. Docku:“what up?” 21:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:vandalism on Bihar article

Hello, Manoj nav. You have new messages at Tinucherian's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

-- Tinu Cherian - 04:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Awadhi

Actually, I am not sure whether we can say that "Awadhi has been influenced by Magadhi", since Magadhi lies after a gap of another language, Bhojpuri in between. What actually is perhaps meant by the statement is that Shauraseni Prakrit of this region was influenced by Magadhi Prakrit of the East, which ultimately gave rise to Eastern Hindi languages like Awadhi, Bagheli and Chhattisgarhi.
There is another statement however, saying that Awadhi has taken birth from Braj bhasha, which I guess is nonsensical. Most modern Indian languages are of the same generation, and both Braj bhasha and Awadhi are of the same generation. One cannot be from the other. Perhaps language pairs like Malayalam-Tamil and Bengali-Assamese and some others share this relationship, and even then it is not at all in their modern forms, it is difficult to say anything like this for Braj bhasha and Awadhi, as far my knowledge goes. Maquahuitl^talk! 05:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

A friendly advice

As a fellow wikipedian and an Indian, I just wanted to say a few words to you. I have noticed that you are interested in writing about racism against Biharis in India. As a native of the neighbouring state of UP, I would like to tell you that already there is a lack of good coverage of the Hindi belt on Wikipedia as there are few people from the Hindi belt/Punjab on wikipedia as compared to Bengalis and few Southern people. Instead of focussing our energies on articles related to negative issues, why not instead write about the languages, culture, cities, and other such important topics here, which will help these articles move shoulder to shoulder with the articles of other states. Negativity will catch the eye much faster. Maquahuitl^talk! 05:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I concur with that buddy. You can see quality of articles in Wikipedia:WikiProject Bihar is very low and many of places in Bihar are still unrepresented in Wikipedia. You can compare this with smaller states like WP:KERALA. I created the WP:BIHAR including other unrepresented states with this view, so that people interested can join and help. Although I am not from the state, I would like to see more of India content properly and fairly represented in WP from every inch of our country. ( Having said that I help all other country Wikiprojects too ). Let me also know if you want any help from my side. -- Tinu Cherian - 06:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Well that is good and appreciable. Please concentrate on the same and avoid controversial issues like racism which will only waste your energies. Whatever you've written is alright- leave it there and move forward towards the positive areas(as you are going). Especially regarding languages, the individual languages of the Hindi belt have poor representation/information on wikipedia and even on the internet in general. I have even been reading books to gain knowledge about them so that I can write about the same on wikipedia. The other important articles besides languages would be individual cities, esp. capital cities like Patna, Jaipur, Bhopal etc. Maquahuitl^talk! 09:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Map proposal

Thank you for consulting me, the maps seem fine, the only sticking point might be the depiction of Kashmir (esp. the valley) as part of North India.I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

• I have replied here Talk:North India#Proposal. --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 17:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Yes I am aware of the difficulties faced by linguists in categorising Maithali, Bhojpuri and Magadhi. Some classify them as independent. Some as dialects under the umbrella term Bihari and some regard them as a dialect of Eastern Hindi. In fact even Bihari is regarded as independent or as sub-Hindi. Shall discuss this. I have to leave now. --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 17:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Reply on the talk-page. Maquahuitl^talk! 04:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

biharis and hindi-speakers

hi. regarding your message, i'd have to say that i'm not an administrator, and I cannot protect pages. Also, my spontaneous reaction to the changes made to the article after your edit are not very disprutive. The discrimination and violence against Biharis and UPites is the same phenomenon. --Soman (talk) 18:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

changing the voice of the article??

What does this rvt to previous version. A systematic attempt has been made to change the voice of the article, which is nothing less the deletion of the article. I have requested for it's protection. edit summary mean? Are you talking about providing one voice (POV) to the article? Did you read WP:NPOV? Docku:“what up?” 18:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for your Appreciation

Thanks for your Appreciation :-) you are also doing great dear. Can we chat on gmail,yahoo...? It will help to improve articles related to Bihar. Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 09:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

my email id is [email protected]. Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 04:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Bihar

Hi Manoj,

I have added you in my Gmail and looking forward to work together for improvement of articles related to Bihar.

I have created a wiki portal Portal:Bihar. Please help to improve the same.

Regards

Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 18:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

India maps

Hi, I noticed some India-maps on FMT's page. Two things, please could you use Inkscape to high quality SVG maps. It's pretty simple, and also check out WP:WikiProject Indian maps for colouring conventions? Thanks =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Deleted article

I've e-mailed it to you instead. Please understand, copyright must be observed, so we have to be very cautious about restoring a copyright-violating piece. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for Image:Protest against Raj Thackeray in Patna.jpg

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I would probably argue that that is not enough- I do not see why the image is absolutely necessary to the article. I have no opinion on whether those protests need to be included in the article, but, even if they do, does there really need to be a picture? No, I don't think so, as what the protests looked like probably isn't that significant, and they are almost certainly not significant enough that they warrant using an image from a commercial news source. As for your other question, images can't be moved, you'll have to re-upload it. J Milburn (talk) 17:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I only tagged the images I came across while looking through newly uploaded images- I will take a look at the others another time. The image you have added to the article is a borderline case- I think an argument could be made either way. Are there no other photos of this available? Perhaps it would be worth contacting some copyright holders to ask if they are willing to release the images under a free license, or searching for a related free image. I personally wouldn't include the image- but if you like, I can send it to images for deletion for a wider discussion. J Milburn (talk) 19:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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Email

Hi Manoj,

I have emailed you the paper. Hope this helps. Cheers Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 10:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I have sent you an email again. Please check Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 13:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Discrimination entry

Dear Manoj, I have made some major changes to the start of the entry. Hope you approve.(Not-Ashamed (talk) 22:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)).

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Your email

Hey Manoj. Sorry that it completely slipped off my mind. If it is OK, next time if I don't respond within 2 days, feel free to send me a reminder. Cheers Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 07:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Demographic

Hey Manoj,

Nice to hear from you. I am out of India for coming few month. That’s why I have very much busy these days. I will update same soon as I get some free time. Most probably I will be free in 2 or 3 day as I settle down Here in USA

Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 23:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hindi in Bihar

I think that the article is unnecessary. Can you explain on what grounds do we need this specific article? Maquahuitl^talk! 06:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Discrimination faced by the Bihari community in India

Thanks for your message. I honestly don't have time right now to read the article again to see if the significant views are included. Nevertheless, you certainly know what I meant with that tag when I inserted it on the article page. Id est, cause of discrimination -> immigrant workers with low pay; cause of immigration -> failure in local politics and economics. When you are ready to point out fingers at other parties as causing historical injustice, you can't forget the real local factors. For instance, you also have anti-English riots in Bihar, UP and other Hindi states to make Hindi as official language of India. This certainly alienates the interest of other states to the Hindi belt. As I said earlier, if you feel all the causatives are listed, go ahead and remove the tag. But, if the tag be removed without attending to the reason that it was added there, firstly, it would count as vandalism and failing to assume good faith. Second, it would mean that you are trying to push a POV fork without covering significant view points even when you are explained to. Last but not the least, me or someone else will once again tag this since it would miss significant view points. Cheers Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 10:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Religion in Bihar

Can you please help me to complete Religion in Bihar article. (Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 18:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC))

TfD nomination of Template:Discrimination Bihar

Template:Discrimination Bihar has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 07:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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Biharis in B'Desh

We need an article on them if it is not already there. As a person who has cretaed number of articles on conflict related issues, the only wat go forward is small step at a time. Start with small articles such as a person, an incident, a policy, a riot, group of people, categories then you can put them all together into a complete subject matter. It takes anywhere from 1 to 2 years just to complete that. But always treat it like a project with number of small steps along the way. Taprobanus (talk) 14:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Government of Bihar and Administration in Bihar

Please check it. I know it in completed yet. Just check it and Let me know your feedback. Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 18:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

hi Devesh

The articles Government of Bihar and Administration in Bihar looks fine. It could be extended a but more. Is is possible to prepare a list all villages and village Panchayats? Manoj nav (talk) 06:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

hi Manoj,

it is difficult but not impossible....census related site can help us to create same...Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 22:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

2007 Bihar flood

Please check and improve this article Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 10:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC) Thanks for a India star banner.

Raj and Thanks

It has been a while and thanks for the Star. I have made a case for the Rahul raj encounter entry to remain. Hopefully, that can remain o wiki. I have just read on CNNIBN that Bihars crime rate is very, very low now thanks to the NDA govt, and that the economy has vastly improved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notashamed (talk • contribs) 13:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Cinema of Bihar

Hi Manoj,

I have created some major articles Cinema of Bihar, List of Bhojpuri Films, Patna Film Festival and Bhojpuri Film Award and also did some major changes in Bhojpuri Film Industry to revive the information about Media in Bihar.

I am not familar with bhojpuri language ant its film (I have not seen any bhojpuri movie[:(]). So I want your contribution in above mentioned major article.

I have also created article for some bihari movie like Ganga Maiyya Tohe Piyari Chadhaibo (1962)  • Laagi Nahi Chhute Ram (1963)  • Ganga (1965)  • Bidesiya (1963)  • Bhouji (1965)  • Loha Singh (1966)  • Dher Chalaki Jinkara (1971)  • Daku Rani Ganga (1976/II)  • Amar Suhagin (1978)  • Balam Pardesia (1979)  • Chanwa Ke Take Chakor (1981)  • Saiyan Magan Pahelwani Mein (1981)  • Saiyan Tore Karan (1981)  • Hamar Bhauji (1983)  • Chukti Bhar Senur (1983)  • Dulha Ganga Paar Ke (1986)  • Roos Gailen Saiyen Hamaar (1988)  • Mai (1989)  • Ganga (2006)  • Udedh Bun (2008)  • Bhaiyaa(maghi film) • Kanyadan film(maithali)  • Bhauji Maay (maithali) • . But these are the minor article so we have to concentrate of major articles which is mentioned in first paragraph.

have you checked 2007 Bihar Flood? it needs input.

as you suggested--- I as doing a research for List of villages in Bihar..but it is as marathon work to do.

Regards Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 02:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your input in 2007 Bihar flood and creating 2004 Bihar flood...if we can create article every year flood then we can justify flood as cause of bihar backwardness Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 21:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

This is not a warning

Hi Manoj,

Just to let you know, if you didn't realise yourself, that you have breached 3RR rule [1] [2] [3]. Ciao Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 08:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Flood in Bihar

I really appreciate your contribution in article related to Flood in Bihar like 2008 Bihar flood, 2007 Bihar flood and 2004 Bihar flood…..

PS: I have created an article please have a look Flood in Bihar…it needs your contribution as you seems to be expert in these issue

And this is for your expertise and contribution

		The India Star
		I award Manoj nav this award for his contribution to Bihar related articles. Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 02:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 02:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Image:Rahul Raj.jpg

A tag has been placed on Image:Rahul Raj.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

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Rahul Raj encounter

Hi. I've nominated Rahul Raj encounter, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, -- Tinu Cherian - 15:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Dont feel bad that I had to tag ur Rahul raj picture for SD. We have certain copyright rules and issues in WP for pictures taken from news sources or websites. You cannot take them from there and pass it on to Wikipedia as free GNU license. If you happen to have a picture taken by u or got from somebody else who have permited to use in WP, please upload them. Btw I have re-written your article to make it as a incident than a Bio article. I have also nominated the article for DYK here on your behalf. Best wishes -- Tinu Cherian - 05:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

One more request dude. I think I have already talked about this to you. I know you are very much worried and angry about the racisims that Biharis faces . But please try to develop more articles on Bihar itself, than articles regarding Bihari sentiments.You know that I had created WP:BIHAR some time back. I wanted the unrepresented states of India to have enough articles in WP. You may want to see that smaller states like WP:KERALA has 3000+ articles while WP:BIHAR is with just 200+ articles. Develop good articles about places, geography, culture and arts in Bihar than concentrating on negative sentiments articles. This is just a personal suggestion. Dont hesitate to take any help or advice from my side. Enjoy your stay in Wikipedia. Good day brother! -- Tinu Cherian - 08:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations ...the article survived the AFD :) -- Tinu Cherian - 06:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Bihar Entry Changes

Hay Manoj, I have seeen the changes to the Bihar entry. Regents and Docku are determined to impose a point of view, theirs. However, we will be here weeks, months, years to come so dont worry friend. We will be Makin references, writing entrys for the benefit of those interested in the people and cultures of Bihar. Not-Ashamed (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Flora , Fauna, Protected areas and Geography of Bihar

I have restructred these two article ,now they are looking nice check them.

• Floods in Bihar
• Geography of Bihar

I have created these article please check it.

• Protected areas of Bihar
• 1987 Bihar flood
• Flora of Bihar
• Fauna of Bihar

^^^^^please check above mentioned article and contribute in them.

I have some suggestion...

1. soeme section of Bihar (history culture) are too big...we should work on it.
2. History of Bihar and Culture of Bihar needs facelift.

please discuss Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 07:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Rahul Raj encounter

On 1 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rahul Raj encounter, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 19:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Rahul Raj encounter

On 1 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rahul Raj encounter, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 19:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on your first DYK article and thanks a lot for the barnster. Keep going ! As I said earlier, I expect more 'good' articles from you :) -- Tinu Cherian - 03:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Manoj nav. You have new messages at Tinucherian's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

-- Tinu Cherian - 05:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice to see your message on my talk page. This is first time that we are interacting. I am glad to know the article made it to DYK and congrats to you. Thanks a lot for the barnstar. I am not going to quit WP, I was just angry the first time when I saw I was blocked for no reason. WP is too good a site to ignore. I agree that admins are just using some basic tools to determine puppets and innocent users like me and you get caught in between. Surely there should be some more sophisticated tools. I have left a message to Tinu also on his talk page. Just be cautious while working on important websites regarding from where you are doing so - avoid shared resources. It would be nice to work with you in future. --GPPande talk! 09:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

History of Bihar

I have restructured History of Bihar few day back all though there are 65 references are ther but some one has nomited it for more cites. "what should I Do?" It is frustrating. can u please read the article and put some references? last two segment of this article needs your input. Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 01:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The DYK Medal

		The DYK Medal
		Congratulations on your first DYK article , Rahul Raj encounter.. Awarded to Manoj Nav by -- Tinu Cherian - 03:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)